[Official] John Cena Thread

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What is Your Feeling on John Cena?

  • I despise him!

  • I am not a fan of his

  • I don't like him or hate him

  • I like the guy

  • I am a Cena Fanatic!

  • I like him, but don't think he's a good wrestler

  • I don't like him, but do think he's a good wrestler


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okay the cena character officially sucks 100% now did anyone see his promo on raw this week? he went on and on blabbing on he was like the ultimate warrior on crack i didnt understand a word of his promo he was using random lines which didn't even make sense he was getting hyped up over his huge match of the century against JBL yh like we never seen that before, give me a break. well done wwe for making this guy look like a fool his promos are boring and bizarre come on turn him heel hes to bloody stale i dont care how much merchandise he sells.

The problem is, the WWE do. Cena heel interests me a great deal. I agree with you in saying he should turn heel, as I think there would be a lot more for him to do. As he is now, he bores me, which I think is the same for you.

However, heel Cena would most likely not have as many fans as he does now. And at the end of the day he seels more merchandise than anyone else in the WWE. McMahon will do anything he can to not lose that.
 
1. "He only knows 3 moves"
I know this isn't exactly true, but its not that far from the truth. I know wrestling ability isn't everything in pro wrestling, as guys like Hogan got by without doing much in the ring, but you can definitely still knock on a guy who can't even perform an arm drag without tearing his pec apart.

2. His absurdly long title run
That was just dumb. It was so unbelievable. He always went into ppv's as the biggest underdog, yet he always was able to surmount the odds and win in the end. Every ppv match with him in it was practically the same for a year! Thank God he's away from the title for the time being!

3. His regrettable Thuganomics/Rapper/Eminem/Marine Gimmick
I don't even know where some of these gimmicks began, and when/if any ended. His character seems to be a confused mix of all of them. Just as I though he was finally getting away from the Rapper thing, the writers put him with Cryme Tyme. *Sigh*

4. Cena is a dumbass, plain and simple
If Cena's character was, at one point, this unstoppable force for a year, then why hasn't he won back the title to some extent yet? His character is almost made to look stupid. If he's so good, then why doesn't he be smart and try to reclaim what was once his instead of doing Cena vs. JBL XIX. I mean, I know I said I hated his title run, but c'mon, I dont know how the writers can just divert this character's attention from once being the lead man of Raw for a year to pointlessly trying to squash JBL at every ppv. It makes no sense.

5. As HHH said best, most of his fans can't stay up late enough to watch his matches
Although its not a totally bad thing to have young fans, you cant just have young fans. Hogan, for example, had a ton of young fans, but he also had a ton of older fans as well. Cena just seems to have a large child fan base. This sickens me because Cena's success with the younger crowd was probably an integral reason why the WWE tried to really zone in on the younger fan base a while back ago(thankfully I think theyve stopped this though).

6. Cena=Rock?
Cena seems to be following in the Rock's footsteps, and I'm not talking in entertainment ability. I mean, if he was a better actor, I bet he would have been the next one out of the door of the WWE if his crap-movie had been better. And it seems as though he'll be taking more time off to do another movie. Although I'll be happy not to see him, its stupid that its almost as if he works his wrestling career around his movie career.

7. JBL is Poopy
*SIGH* Cena with the poop jokes.. wow. Yeah, that was probably one of his funniest jokes too. Thats pretty sad. 'Nuff said.

8. What is his character going to do?
It really seems as though his characer is just dying. The only programs he can really seem to work have to pit him in the underdog situation, and then he overcomes them, and then he wins and everyone is supposed to love him. That will/has gotten old. He can't do that for the rest of his career. They really need to shake his character up some.

9. He makes the Great Khali look good
Yeah, you read that right. I would say Khali looked better in their street fight back at Judgment Day a while back, which is definitely saying something. I know Cena won, but I was really pulling for Khali, cuz Cena was just atrocious in this match. Oh, and by the way, Cena also makes Khali look like George Clooney as far as acting ability goes.

10. John Cena Sr. is better in the ring
Okay, this one is more of a joke than anything. But its not that far from the truth.

What do you all think about any of the points I made, and about Cena in general?
 
Oh Boy, a Cena bashing post coming from a guy with a Triple H sig and Avatar, this is too easy.

1. "He only knows 3 moves"
I know this isn't exactly true, but its not that far from the truth. I know wrestling ability isn't everything in pro wrestling, as guys like Hogan got by without doing much in the ring, but you can definitely still knock on a guy who can't even perform an arm drag without tearing his pec apart.

Sigh, the 5 moves of Doom has slowly trickled it's way down to 3? Wow, I guess you know, no one else has used any signature moves. It's not like the game uses the High Knee, Kick to Groin, Pedigree routine time and time and time and time and time and time again. Seriously, this argument is dumb, played out, and has been disproven time and time again. Guys have signature moves, they hit them, they move on, big deal. Oh and taking a cheap shot at Cena's injury when he was carrying the company on his back for several years with no time out is crap. Take a look at the man in your sig and his busted quads before bashing someone for an injury.

2. His absurdly long title run
That was just dumb. It was so unbelievable. He always went into ppv's as the biggest underdog, yet he always was able to surmount the odds and win in the end. Every ppv match with him in it was practically the same for a year! Thank God he's away from the title for the time being!

LAWLZ. Again, the humor in this statement coming from a guy with Triple H as his hero. The guy that has had 9 title reigns this decade for a combined 900 plus days. And that's only because he was injured for two years. Imagine if he wasn't injured. Seriously, to bash Cena for his title reign and be a Triple H fan is absurd and ridiculous.

3. His regrettable Thuganomics/Rapper/Eminem/Marine Gimmick
I don't even know where some of these gimmicks began, and when/if any ended. His character seems to be a confused mix of all of them. Just as I though he was finally getting away from the Rapper thing, the writers put him with Cryme Tyme. *Sigh*

The King of Kings, Cerebral Assassin, and the Game? Three of those gimmicks you named were the same gimmick, you're stretching for a reason to not like the guy.

4. Cena is a dumbass, plain and simple
If Cena's character was, at one point, this unstoppable force for a year, then why hasn't he won back the title to some extent yet? His character is almost made to look stupid. If he's so good, then why doesn't he be smart and try to reclaim what was once his instead of doing Cena vs. JBL XIX. I mean, I know I said I hated his title run, but c'mon, I dont know how the writers can just divert this character's attention from once being the lead man of Raw for a year to pointlessly trying to squash JBL at every ppv. It makes no sense.

How long have you been watching the business. JBL is a thorn in Cena's side, and has been for 3 years now. To get to the title, Cena has to get JBL out of his way, plain and simple. Sometimes things are more important than gold, like settling old scores. The Cena character realizes that to get a fair shot at a title, he needs to put down JBL once again. It's pretty simple story telling, and having the same guy chasing the title for 6 months like Triple H last year, is plain dumb and boring.

5. As HHH said best, most of his fans can't stay up late enough to watch his matches
Although its not a totally bad thing to have young fans, you cant just have young fans. Hogan, for example, had a ton of young fans, but he also had a ton of older fans as well. Cena just seems to have a large child fan base. This sickens me because Cena's success with the younger crowd was probably an integral reason why the WWE tried to really zone in on the younger fan base a while back ago(thankfully I think theyve stopped this though).

Yes, because breaking Kayfabe to appeal to the vocal minority is much better huh? Triple H breaks Kayfabe routinely to get over with the smarky 18-25 year olds that still hold out that the "Great" Attitude Era is going to return and all will be well. It's simplistic morons like that that Boo John Cena. They think that an era that was in reality, crap, is going to comeback, and Triple H plays to that crowd so well. It's pretty pathetic when you think about it. John cena is out there making new fans, while Triple H plays to the smarks, hmmm.

6. Cena=Rock?
Cena seems to be following in the Rock's footsteps, and I'm not talking in entertainment ability. I mean, if he was a better actor, I bet he would have been the next one out of the door of the WWE if his crap-movie had been better. And it seems as though he'll be taking more time off to do another movie. Although I'll be happy not to see him, its stupid that its almost as if he works his wrestling career around his movie career.

Lol, Cena is universally respected in the locker room for being the hardest worker in the company, and you're saying he's centering his career around movies. He's made exactly how many movies? Seriously, such a weak argument is embarassing to say the least. Read up on some non-Cena biased websites and quit finding things with distorted truth.


7. JBL is Poopy
*SIGH* Cena with the poop jokes.. wow. Yeah, that was probably one of his funniest jokes too. Thats pretty sad. 'Nuff said.

Really, you really really had to go there. You do realize that Triple H was the king of Dick and Fart Jokes. A guy using the words Suck It as his catch phrase. The guy that had a Suck the Chef apron on. A guy that told the world that Vince McMahon loves Cock, a guy that dropped feces on people, and you're going to complain about John cena and his simple humor?

8. What is his character going to do?
It really seems as though his characer is just dying. The only programs he can really seem to work have to pit him in the underdog situation, and then he overcomes them, and then he wins and everyone is supposed to love him. That will/has gotten old. He can't do that for the rest of his career. They really need to shake his character up some.

Please read a book on the basics of being a heel, and being a face.

9. He makes the Great Khali look good
Yeah, you read that right. I would say Khali looked better in their street fight back at Judgment Day a while back, which is definitely saying something. I know Cena won, but I was really pulling for Khali, cuz Cena was just atrocious in this match. Oh, and by the way, Cena also makes Khali look like George Clooney as far as acting ability goes.

LOL, in your back handed attempt to insult John Cena, you've made a great case for him. The only time Khali has ever looked good in a match, was because John Cena made him look good, plain and simple. Much like Bobby Lashley, or even Triple H this year, John Cena made those matches look good because John Cena is a good worker, plain and simple.

10. John Cena Sr. is better in the ring
Okay, this one is more of a joke than anything. But its not that far from the truth.

And my feces is more entertaining then Triple H's title reign, well at least more people are turning into see it then watching Triple H on TV. Seriously, you bash a guy that bust his ass off in John Cena, yet praise Triple H. You complain about Cena's long title reign and never losing, yet in the year since Triple H has been back, he's lost exactly twice, once by roll up, the other in his third match of the night.

Before going on some useless rant about the best working in the business, maybe you need to take a look at yourself and realize the hypocritical things you say before you waste everyones time with a mind numbingly dull post.
 
Okay, so it's been a while since I've posted in here. Since returning at the Royal Rumble I have been much more into Cena than I was prior to him leaving. I think my problem with him was that he was pushed in the main event and even as the champion for so long that I really just wanted to see someone else with the belt.

Now with that being said. In recent weeks I have come to find Cena quite a bit more entertaining. Latley him and Cryme Tyme have been doing things similar to DX from a year or w/e it was back. Mock me if you wish, but I enjoy the stupid humor like what happened to JBL's limo. I mean really since he completley dropped the rapper gimmick and the Marine gimmick and has gone with basically no gimmick, I have not had a problem with him. Now it appears as if he's going to feud with Batista in the near future. Personally I think that the feud could work out excellent. I can also see a man by the name of Randy Orton getting into the mix since he and Cena really have unfinished buisness with each other. So what is everyone else's views on Cena as of late.... And I don't mean your opinion on his wrestling ability I mean as a character and storyline...
 
Personally I also like him like this. I like seeing this character then the Everything pisses me off Batista, or the I am the law JBL. Cena seems to be a hard worker and deserves any title shot he does get in my eyes. I am not saying he should get a title shot right now keep in mind (I would like to see Kane get the title shot). Alot of the matches I have seen he seems to work well with the wrestlers. The one exception was the Wrestlemania between him and HBK.
 
I like john cena and i have a lot of respect for him, I have never seen any wrestler as commited and hard working as john cena, he is very good on the mic and he is one of the best entertainers in the history of the wwe, he is up there with hogan and the rock, I think they are the best entertainers ever.
 
Personally I think he does. Its been 5 years since cena was a heel with the rapper gimmick and now people have just got bored of him. His current relationship with cryme time is decent enough to start a new stable, thats once he finishes his rehab and recovers from his injury. It seems like the perfect time for a new heel stable and the old cena gimmick that he was so popular for. After he lost his rapper gimmick back in early-mid 2005, once drafted to raw, there has become a split between haters and likers of cena for whatever reason. So I say, turn cena into his rapper heel as he was known for.
 
He doesn't "need" it, and it's only the people who dislike him who want him to change (Yes I am a member of the Pointing out the obvious club), those who enjoy him, those who buy his shirts and spend a lot of money on Cena merchandise are the reason I dont think he will change.

The problem with Cena is then he would have to take his old character into his new phase - Which then means he has to try and be funny, which won't work with him, his humour comes from one liners tbh and from saying things slowly/sarcastically/patronisingly, nothing that makes him seem genuinely funny all the time, like The Rock was (he was just funny no matter what), and it wouldn't work for Cena in my eyes, nor would it help merchandise sales, I think the Cena tit can still be milked a little more for Vince, and as long as milk is coming out, he will stay as a fan favorite.
 
Of course Cena needs a heel turn, his gimmick is more stale than a bucket of water left in the ruins of a cathedral for five hundred years. Okay, that analogy may be a bit out there, but seriously, it's that stale. And it never made much sense anyway, a rapper turned superman face with Marine salute?

But it ain't gonna happen. At least not right now. Cena is still hugely over for whatever reason and while he's getting more and more mixed reactions, he's still the company's #1 guy. It'd be a fantastic rejuvenation of his character, but I don't think it'd make that much difference. If he'd still be no-selling moves, taking a beating for the majority of a match then get with the superhuman comebacks and the repetitive suckup speeches, it wouldn't change anything for me. Cena is a dedicated worker and I respect that, but his gimmick is just freakin' horrible. But in the end, I don't think it'd change much, because when he was a heel back in 2002 or whatever, he just plain sucked as a heel. He's a guy who can work better as a face than a heel, which is a rarity these days. Besides, Vince wouldn't wanna compromise the huge younger fanbase, so I don't see a heel turn happening. But sooner or later, everyone might turn on Cena. Who knows?
 
I agree with the Hardcore man above me, Cena is in need of a heel change, but it will never happen. Cena character is an absolute bore, he needs a serious character change, whether he changes to heel or stays face. I would like to see him turn heel put it won't happen, Vince won't let it. Where ever he goes he gets a big reaction, whether its cheers, boos, or mixed. He is God to the little children and they but the merchandice. Vince is going to sell out his character as long as he can, probably why he teamed Cena with Cryme Tyme. CT were hugely over, so they figured if they hung with Cena he'll be more over, kinda worked a bit. But sooner or later, he will turn heel, most everyone does, but with Cena it will be later.
 
No he still gets as many cheers as he does boo's, his charecter may be a little stale but I don't think a heel change is necessary, just give the guy a little more edge, you can keep him face but just give him some of the edgyness that guys like Stone Cold, Rock, Jericho, etc. have shown in the past in there face runs, Cena is to over as a face right now for an effective heel turn anyway, not to mention the whole Face/Heel ratio in the RAW ME is already leaning more to the heel side anyway, they got Jericho, Orton (when he comes back), JBL, & Kane, on the face side of things they only have Batista, HBK (who's career likes like it may finally be coming to a close), Punk (who has some people saying he doesn't deserve his spot in the ME), & Mysterio (and who knows how much longer he'll be around), Cena is more needed on the face side of things right now
 
Cena really doesn't need anything to be honest, he is still a merchandise machine and is so insanely over with a large portion of WWE fans. Would a heel turn be a nice change for Cena? I think so, but I think only older fans of the WWE want to see it and Vince knows that the young kids are the ones who primarily buy the Cena merch and are the ones who idolize him. But I think the biggest problem with Cena turning heel is the fact that there is no face on the roster (aside from HHH maybe) that can battle him in terms of star power. A Cena feud is instantly a big thing and if there isn't a believable combatant going against him its are to get into. So as much as some people would like the see the heel turn I would have to say don't get your hopes up haha
 
Yeah the link between cena and kids is quite strong as kids look up to cena mostly from the entire roster. There still is rey mysterio as another kids favourite but the way things are going between him and kane (storywise), who knows, maybe mysterio might become a heel. But what I am trying to say is, the wwe need more original storylines and keeping their top stars fresh. So instead of just sticking with cena face until he loses popularity, why not do something now. That's what wwe have been so guilty of over the last few years. They just don't seem interested in planning something different and let things plan out themselves (which is why wwe is currently trying to rebuild bygiving opportunites to the newer talent).
 
Cena does not need a heel change, but he does need to change his character.

His character is stale. He has only varied it slightly for about five years. I think that he would be good with a people's champion kind of character, but vary it a bit to fit around him. It would also help if he got a few more moves, just to expand his moveset a bit.

A heel turn would do nothing. His cheers would turn to boos and his boos would turn to cheers, doing nothing. And Cena has evolved past a heel, and I don't think he would make a good heel anymore as it just does not fit what kind of person he seems to be.
 
No. He dosen't need it, mainly because he still get's over. It's obvious, little kids orgasm when they see him. Others cheer. You still get the boo's, but that's the same with any wrestler. Mysterio got boo'd by NYC at the Royal Rumble against Edge.

While Cena dosen't need a heel turn, he does need a bit of freshning up. I'll admit hearing him cut the same promo each week is getting boring, I say that now lol. But he should go with a more sort of cutting edge style. Neither heel nor face, but, I guess more towards face to keep the cheers. In his promo's he shouldn't talk about doing the right thing or w.e, he should just be more of a badass. It'll just make things more interesting because he was better with that sort of style.
 
No, not really. Will it make 300,000 IWC happpy? probably. Does the WWE care what we think, nope? Cena still gets tons of cheers and it would be stupid to turn him heel, just so "we" are happy. "We" are not the majority so he should stay face, where he is the biggest thing in the company. Would he be more appealing to some people, yes. Would he not be so boring and stale, maybe, but he makes money as a face.
 
If Cena took a heel turn...I could actually see the chain gain come to formation, and it would include Cryme Time also. Cena would eventually become champ, and it would make things even more interesting. I could see this group become one of WWE best stables..The Chain Gang..

But considering the name of the group and how badazz the group would be then I think Vince would try to tone this group down, including the fact that they are trying to go PG now.
 
I think the rapper gimmick was good, but I think that can be brought back without a heel turn. I just have strong feelings that you can't make your most popular and merchandising star disliked. Don't leak any details about his return whenever it may be. Make him come back unexpectedly with a bang. Give him the freedom of the one-liners or rhyming, but just make it go against a heel. If you can mix the rapper gimmick and the fan loyalty....I thnk you can make Cena an even bigger star. One thing he is missing is a trademark phrase...The Rock had so many (know your role, finally..., it doesn't matter, if you smell what the rock is cooking), Hogan had it, Austin had it, there is no phrase associated with Cena. Which is where I think the rapper gimmick could come into play.
 
No. HELL fucking no he doesnt. And if you think he does, you have either never been to a live WWE event, or are a fucking idiot.

The guy is easily the WWEs biggest draw, and one of their top baby face workers. You go to a WWE event, and there are loads of children with his merch, and the older contingencey was just beginning to buy in on his last run when he came back for the rumble.

There are only two reasons why people have in their little heads that Cena should turn heel, and they are both wrroooong.

1. He sucks as a face. Wrong. you either think this for the WRONG reasons, or you just dont understand how truly over he is. is is actually WWE's top face right now wether anyone likes it or not. As stated above, he merch is all over, and the people who pro wrestling is INTENDED FOR love him.

2. The Hulk Hogan effect. Now this is even more immensly wrong than the last reason. Hulk Hogan was THE top baby face uber clean hero for damn near 20 years when his turn happened, while a sect of the crowd STILL boos Cena. People havent bought in nearly enough, for near as long, as with Hogan. Its not even CLOSE, and to say so would be assinighn.

So for those reasons, no, Cena should NOT be heel, at all.
 
John Cena is arguably the best performer ever in the WWE. Everybody has an oppinion of him, you either love him or hate him, but there's one thing you cant ignore.

John Cena always shows up on time at his job and does his best every day. It doesnt matter if its in america or afghanistan Cena will be there to entertain and wrestle.
 
John Cena should not turn heel he is soo over as face. You'll say that some people still boo but at least he gets some sort of reaction unlike CM Punk during his match with jericho where you could hear a pin drop. He WWE cash cow he makes them soo much money as face there is no reason to turn him. Someone mentioned that Cena could go back to his rap gimmick with a heel turn. Cena is past that rap gimmick he is no longer him he is a waterdown Hogan type good guy nothing of that gimmick remains other then him wearing jeans to the ring. it there is no reason for him to go back to that guy. If he was to turn heel it would be a heel version of his current gimmick.
 
This is my first time to post, and I could think of no better to thread to answer than this one.

I am 22 years old, so I am old enough to remember the StoneCold/Rock days and even some of the Hogan stuff from when I was really little. I actually could not stand wrestling up until Cena.

Yes, you read that correctly. Cena got me into wrestling. I would watch when my roommate watched, but I would only watch Cena's matches.... I did not care about anyone else, yet. Then DX got back together and I remembered them vaguely from back when I was in middle school (I only really knew who stone cold and the rock were back then, but I remembered DX's name) so now I liked both Cena and DX. I kept watching full segments of raw at that point so that I could see Cena and DX, then I began to notice that the other guys like Morrison (Nitro at the time), Hardy, and Edge were all cool too! So after a year or so, I was completely hooked on raw, which led me to begin watching smackdown where I began to watch that too for batista and undertaker. This was all when I was 19, and I am 22 now.

ECW and TNA would soon catch my attention also but that was later on. The point of my story is.... Cena is awesome. He is an incredible role model, and it is thanks to him that I finally developed an interest in both WWE and TNA (I never miss a show for either company now).

He always delivers a great match no matter who he is up against, and I can't wait to see him feud with Jericho or Orton for the heavyweight title when he returns!

Cena is the best.

....and that's the bottom line because Dagger Dias said so!
 
Cena annoys me but so does almost every other wrestler now a days, so I don't carry the deep hatred that some have for him. I liked him alot better when he returned the last time since he wasn't always in the belt scene and actually lost some matches. It was refreshing to see him not be shoved down our faces. But I am a realist and not delusional, and I no Cena is the top guy in the WWE currently. He may be hated by the IWC and get boo'd by some smart ass vocal fans but the truth is he's a damn good worker and brings in the money, enough said. So as long as people support him(women, children, and yes even grown men)he will be at the top or close by.
 
Why should Cena turn heel? His gimmick isn't "stale," because people don't even understand his gimmick anymore. All of the blind haters still want to claim that he is a white rapper who only knows five moves and is a superman. None of this is true anymore.

The white rapper gimmick has been done for a long time, and as someone else mentioned a long time ago, Cena really doesn't even have a gimmick anymore, he is just John Cena.

About the five moves, that really makes no sense unless you are speaking in terms of signature moves, and by that logic almost every wrestler would bore you, including Punk, Taker, Edge, Triple H, and every other big name.

However, people hating on Cena for being a "superman" is by far the dumbest thing imaginable. Assuming you watch wrestling and don't simply bitch about things that happened years ago, you would know that Cena has lost many times, to the likes of Orton, Batista, and JBL.

Bottom line, Cena doesn't need a heel change at all. He still draws, puts on good matches, and does just about everything you could ask out of him.
 
I understand that some people think cena should turn heel becuase he is stale. Then there are the people who think he should:" goz backs to thoz gangzta dayz cuz he was da bomb bitchezzzzz"


Firstly, you need a better reason to turn him heel because he is "stale". 1 out of 10 peoples opinion is not enough to go change the way things go just to try and please everyone. it can never be done. So instead of try and change stuff to make everyone happy, lets keeps things the way they are and make money.

As for the rapper gimmick. no. It was a long time ago and he used it and even fought through it to get to the top. If there was a logical reason to do this besides this gangsta crap then it could be a consideration. But instead, it is left as a wish for a bunch of people who think their opinion is right but can't back it up or explain their thinking. Besides, if Cena went back, people would be complaining about recycled gimmicks, having the been there done that attitude about him, and him being boring and out of character. It is a huge jump to go from where he is to being a rapper. I just don't think people would buy it.

That's just my to cents
 
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