[Official] John Cena Thread

[Slyfox696]

How doesn't it make sense that I liked him when he was a mid-carder and had the white rapper gimmick? He wasn't all slow and boring back then not to mention buff.

So ummm I dont know......it looks beliavable? When you see him apply it like shit, which is basicly 3.5/4 of the time, then mark and non-wrestling fans can obviously point out that wrestling is fake. The point of wrestling is to make it believable and with him applying the lock like shit then it obviously fails.

It didn't make sense when you said that you liked him until he got all buff and slow. He was bigger when he started, and has slowly lost mass as time has gone on. You couldn't have liked him BEFORE he got big, because he was at his biggest before he started wrestling.

I don't understand how having hands closer to someone's neck makes a move that is NOT a choke more believable. Could you explain in greater detail, because I'm afraid you are not making yourself clear enough.

 

[LgKQc]

okay why is everybody still arguing with slyfox?? Sly your talking as if cena is ABSOLUTELY perfect! You are getting way too annoying and i still cant understand why people are still trying to convince you that cena is lame! When people brings good points, your always going to say the absolute opposite!

-->character is lame. sly: character is awesome, --->bad finisher. sly: what is wrong with his finisher?.

the point is that nobody cares about what you think or say because they dont like cena and it seems that your the only one whos always right out here! your talking to us like we know nothing and that we're dumb! people are trying to tell you stuff and you dont listen! your telling to everybody that cena is perfect! (you havent say it but the way you protect him, its as if he has no negative point!) i dont know if you have already said something bad about cena or that you dont like about him... but i would very appreciate that you give me one negative thing about cena! if your able! because your a very intelligent person but i cannot believe that for you, cena is a wrestling GOD!

 

[ACTAFOOL]

well sly does defend cena a lot, but haters do give some weak points to hate cena, i mean almost every hater bad mouths his finisher, but there are so many stupid finishers in wrestling, why does only cena get heat for his?

for example, the 619 doesnt look like it hurts at all, the rock bottom was probably just as stupid as the FU, sweet chin music, granted it would hurt a kick like that to the face but nowadays many wrestlers use his finisher as a normal move, umagas finisher is probably the worse ive ever seen, sheltons is horrible, kennedys more known as a move then a finisher, finlay's is stupid also

so there are many crappy finishers, either it looks like they dont hurt, or are more like normal moves then finishers, or are just dumb, yet ppl only give cena heat for his FU or STFU, cena does apply it well cuz its a different version, its his version, and i think he does make it look painful, i just think he shouldnt have it since hes a brawler ....

 

[Sapphireprince16]

I cant deny the fact that i did like John Cena as a WWE champion, but now it has been too much for me almost a year on two seperate occasions is just too much. I mean i was expecting a new Champ by April at Mania but Cena prevails at every Pay Per View like its some kinda video game. I just think Cena should let go of the title for a little while maybe for as long as he held it he shouldn't hold it.

 

[tommy tots]

Cena is doing my head in as champion , why don't they give it to somebody else? I am bored of Cena as champion. I think he would be goodif he was fighting people that are on his level like carlito or jeff hardy. Cena is too high up on raw he should be fighting for the intercontential title or something. Let orton have a go at been champion or hhh, or someone athletic like shelton benjimin or something. Cena is ok but i am getting bored of him at champion he is not very good to watch anymore. I wish edge would come back he was a good champion.

 

[darkpenguin]

Cena is doing my head in as champion , why don't they give it to somebody else? I am bored of Cena as champion. I think he would be goodif he was fighting people that are on his level like carlito or jeff hardy. Cena is too high up on raw he should be fighting for the intercontential title or something. Let orton have a go at been champion or hhh, or someone athletic like shelton benjimin or something. Cena is ok but i am getting bored of him at champion he is not very good to watch anymore. I wish edge would come back he was a good champion.

Wow you're giving cena waaay more credit than he deserves, same level as Jeff Hardy? Really? Did you never see Hardy in TNA?
IMO if anyone deserves a push for the title right now it's Hardy, He's wasted at WWE.
As for Cena, WWE could do alot worse than him as champ, as far as him as a wrestler and performer goes he's great but the WWE seem intent on putting him in boring matches with boring results.
My thinking is it's not Cena who sucks, it's WWE who suck at the moment.

 

[tkacz29]

I agree-Jeff Hardy definitely deserves a shot but as a friend and I have discussed before we don't think he will ever get it because WWE may view his as "too reckless" with his in ring moves-probably meaning all the high flying antics he does-and with Cena only doing about 5 moves per match, I don't see him being able to keep up with Hardy-and since Cena is WWE's cash cow and since the Rock and Austin, has pulled WWE out of a drought with the fan base, they are going to stick him with the belt...but hopefully the might be actually listening to people or going somewhere else aka giving Randy Orton the belt because I think he has just been overlooked too long-I think he would be the perfect person to give the title to, a breath of fresh air and not too mention it would be great to have someone as a heel as champion for a while...who knows, maybe with Randy as champion, someone like Jeff would be able to get a shot...

And as for people saying Kennedy should get a title push I just see him as another Cena as far as movesets-he is great on the mic and has a great charisma about him, but as far as in ring skill, I think he needs a little work-a feud between Orton and Hardy would be perfect and I think it would be just what WWE needs now.

 

[a7xoff]

Happy 1 year as Cean as champ... Now that he's got that let's see a title change at No Mercy. Let's see Cena actually chase for the belt rather then defending. Let's see a role change. Since Cena has pretty much lost it as far as emotions go let's see that rage cost him the title, then possibly regain it in the future.
I think if Cena looses the title soon, he could really take off again with his new attitude. His old attitude as "The Marine" or whatever it was really was getting stale. I am excited to see where WWE goes with this whole loose cannon act.

 

[Soonerblood]

I agree-Jeff Hardy definitely deserves a shot but as a friend and I have discussed before we don't think he will ever get it because WWE may view his as "too reckless" with his in ring moves-probably meaning all the high flying antics he does-and with Cena only doing about 5 moves per match, I don't see him being able to keep up with Hardy-and since Cena is WWE's cash cow and since the Rock and Austin, has pulled WWE out of a drought with the fan base, they are going to stick him with the belt...but hopefully the might be actually listening to people or going somewhere else aka giving Randy Orton the belt because I think he has just been overlooked too long-I think he would be the perfect person to give the title to, a breath of fresh air and not too mention it would be great to have someone as a heel as champion for a while...who knows, maybe with Randy as champion, someone like Jeff would be able to get a shot...

And as for people saying Kennedy should get a title push I just see him as another Cena as far as movesets-he is great on the mic and has a great charisma about him, but as far as in ring skill, I think he needs a little work-a feud between Orton and Hardy would be perfect and I think it would be just what WWE needs now.

I agree bro, as long as posters of cena are selling at wal mart, the WWE wont have a true champ. I would like to see H, or Hardy...both would be much better champs then JC. But Vinny would lose a lot of funds on a new "Heisman Campain". I DO NOT want to see orton as champ.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm kinda curious to see if this "Loose Cannon/Fatherly Love" angle is gonna end similar to the H.B.K./Sid Vicious/Jose angle, where Orton uses a camera (or other foreign object) to hurt Cena's Father, only for Cena to be more concerned for his Father's health, than his Championship reign.

It'd have to end slightly different, as its a L.M.S. match, but I can see Cena bent over helping his Father, as Orton delivers the "Kick of Destiny," to Cena's head..

By the way, you like that name? "Kick of Destiny!" I'm trademarking it, you heard it here first.. lol

 

[fiasco28]

Wow you're giving cena waaay more credit than he deserves, same level as Jeff Hardy? Really? Did you never see Hardy in TNA?
IMO if anyone deserves a push for the title right now it's Hardy, He's wasted at WWE.
As for Cena, WWE could do alot worse than him as champ, as far as him as a wrestler and performer goes he's great but the WWE seem intent on putting him in boring matches with boring results.
My thinking is it's not Cena who sucks, it's WWE who suck at the moment.

thats a good point, im a john cena fan, but i realize that its not him that sucks, its the wwe, if the wwe stresses cena to use just five moves in his set, well he has to do so, none of the wrestlers in the wwe wrestle like how they want to, they wrestle according to wwe guidelines, as for hardy, i cant see him as a wwe champion, but he's good for where hes at right now, the only person who deserves a push as champion right now, is randy orton, nuff said on that one

 

[Shocky]

Guys, don't you realize that Last Man Standing matches rarely finish a feud. There is no way in hell if you can't beat Cena in 3 seconds, that miraculously he is going to lose in a match that requires him to stay down for ten seconds.

No Mercy is going to be another one of those transitional pay per views. Rumor has it that Hell in the Cell is going to headline Cyber Sunday, so we're probably getting Cena for another month and half at least.

 

[pockets]

I think the first thing wwe needs to do to redeem John Cena is turn him back into the bad guy who doesnt give a crap. i was a pretty big john cena fan back when he wore a different throwback every week and was F-u'ing the ring announcers and gm. right now, hes supposed to be a bad ass but always plays cleanly. he needs to have a more eddie-guerro -type persona that eddie used so well, and thats cheat to win.

but wat the also need to do before that is make a credible Face main eventer that he can fued with. and they have that: triple H, who just returned and is a huge face now. i think this situation could be good if they switch the typical roles and make cena the badass and trips the fan favorite.

ppl were mentioning jeff hardy and honestly, hes like the only person anymore that gives me entertaining matches (the others were kurt angle, who left, and rey, who may or may not be limited right now). i think putting the belt on him, in the right type of situation, would bring back many fans who stopped watching wrestling and remember him from those crazy tlc and ladder matches from years ago. and if im not mistaken, hes like the same size as shawn michaels.

o ya, and i also think there should be a trade between hhh and batista. theyve both played out their fueds on each show and batista could fued with cena/orton and hhh could fued with taker/edge.

 

[a7xoff]

I must say the current storyline that WWE has Cena in right now, I am impressed with so far. I hope to see his father be involved throughout the storyline seeing as him and Cena seem to work really well together and with Orton. Now I'm not sure what the future holds for this, but I really like Cena's on edge attitude. I've said it before I know, but I've always been a fan of he loose cannons. Kane when he took his mask off is a prefect example of what I mean. Hell he burned JR literally, I thought that was insane. Seeing the generally calm Cena go insane really has me liking him much more

 

[SSJPhenom]

I actually have to admit that this, "new side," of Cena actually has me interested in his character. If the WWE continues with this side of Cena, he might actually be alright to watch! Anyway, I would love to see Orton take out, "daddy," and then Cena just go crazy on any and everybody and turn heel. That would be cool and I might even turn into a Cena fan if that were to happen!

 

[crzyjester11]

it use to be that a wrestler would be in flux between face and heel based on crowd reaction if ur cheered ur a face and booed ur a heel. when the rock got booed he was changed to a heel twice. Edge got booed as a face in his hometown he became a heel. I guess WWE no longer listens to the fans because Cena has been booed for several months and no change has been made. I dont care if women and kids buy his clothes or not. Ur bread and butter is ratings and ur target has always been 15 to 35 yr old males. Ratings have hit a low. When the show ends with the entire male audience chanting u cant wrestle and cena sucks to the shows supposed biggest face and cheering lets go orton who is whipping a defenseless old mans ass then its time for a change! Its not working u trying to push orton as an ass and cena as a man defending his father is failing. Listen to the fans turn Cena heel and have him drop the tile.

 

[tkacz29]

I agree-it's definitely not a good sign hearing people chant "you can't wrestle" and "cena sucks." They don't even have to turn him heel-just change his character or image around. They do try to make him a bad ass but really I don't see him as that-I think if he went back to the throwbacks and raps and the "love me or hate me, I don't give a shit" attitude, I think he would get a better reaction-he would come across more of that "bad ass" image. He defniitely was a lot more entertaining then-at least his wrestling and his mic skills were better-his mic skills are still pretty good and I have been entertained by that, but that's about it. I am a Cena fan and have been for a while, but lately I'm just tired and bored with him in the ring. I've been saying for a long time for him to go back to his old character...

There was a rumor I read somewhere that he may be leaving in a while to make another movie, so maybe if that's true when he comes back he will be re-invented

 

[SSJPhenom]

I really don't think that anymore can be said on what makes Cena sucky! Let's try to talk about how he is a good wrestler......Nope can't think of anything! He isn't a good wrestler. I mean, I keep saying over and over again what makes him a bad wrestler and that's because, he keeps showing us why he is a bad wrestler. Week in and Week out, he comes with his stupid gimmick and his crapy wrestling. He makes me want to shoot myself when I see him in the ring. I wished Orton would middle rope DDT him and then kick him in the face and send his ass packin for about 4 or 5 months!

 

[PocketJokers]

I don't understand this hatred for Cena, doubt I ever will. John Cena is the face of RAW. Yes, he may not have the mic skills to match Y2J, The Rock, Austin, but very few do, and it's stupid if you expect his mic skills to go toe-to-toe with the best in the industry. John Cena's match against Umaga at the Royal Rumble made me respect him, until that point in time, I was on the fence with Cena. And being a pro-Smackdowner, I hadn't watched him too much on RAW, whenever I got around to watching RAW. Cena was the man when he went against Umaga. He captivates crowds, he just makes you want to see his match till the end. Don't believe me? If you haven't watching Summerslam, watch it. His match with Orton was amazing, even though I wanted him to lose, he did good, he single handedly made it the star match of Summerslam. Remember him and Lashley at The Great American Bash? You watched it? I was on the edge of my seat, all the way until it looked like Lashley had it won.

Cena is one of the best wrestlers in the industry at the moment. Yes, he does get repetitive. But Cena's matches are just that damn good. But yea, Vince tried to turn John Cena into the next Face star that would captivate crowds. Like Hogan of the classical wrestling era. Like Bret Hart of the Cartoon Era, like The Rock of the Attitude era. Vince is trying to find the guy who can just pick up the mic, or get in the ring, and make crowds cheer until the very end. But, it won't happen with Cena. He is a good wrestler, and has gained my respect, a hard thing to earn. But he isn't electrifying, and won't ever be. I can't pin point what it is that he lacks, but none the less, he is talented, even if his storyline is old and redundant.

 

[SSJPhenom]

The Rock was not the face of the attitude era buddy! Stone Cold Steve Austin was! How did Cena make the match at Summerslam the best? All I remember in that match is that Orton whipped his stupid non wrestling ass from bell to, "the five moves of death!" Orton controlled that entire match and if you ask me, Orton was the one that pulled that match off. Cena was very lazy in that match and the only reason that it was a decent match was because of Orton! Yes I am saying that Orton carried that match and if you don't think so, watch it over!

 

[PocketJokers]

The Rock was not the face of the attitude era buddy! Stone Cold Steve Austin was! How did Cena make the match at Summerslam the best? All I remember in that match is that Orton whipped his stupid non wrestling ass from bell to, "the five moves of death!" Orton controlled that entire match and if you ask me, Orton was the one that pulled that match off. Cena was very lazy in that match and the only reason that it was a decent match was because of Orton! Yes I am saying that Orton carried that match and if you don't think so, watch it over!

First off, Austin created the Attitude Era, yea. But saying whose the biggest face of the attitude era is all opinion. I say The Rock, you say Austin, it doesn't matter. What do you mean Cena was very lazy? Do you know anything about momentum? They wanted to make it look like Orton was going to win it all, so they had Orton gain the momentum for the whole match. That is not what made the match good, one person having momentum for the whole match isn't a good match, one-sided matches never are good matches. They knew the fans wanted Cena to lose, or at least, a fair bit did. So they made it look like Cena was too lose. Than, last minute Cena wins it when you least expect it, thats what makes great matches, not the momentum that a superstar gains, but the climatic moments and the very climatic ending. You don't know wrestling at all for saying Cena was lazy, he wasn't lazy, he was actually doing a great job. Because he knew what would get the fans, what would make them react, what would make them pissed, he and Orton knew what would get the fans into the match the most, and they did it, and they both did it damn well. I'm saying Cena made the match, because yes, Orton dominated, but if it wasn't for Cena and his last minute in the match, it would have been a horrible match, and only appreciated because Cena lost.

 

[X]

You guys are completely right. John Cena is indeed the face of RAW.

And that is why RAW can't score even half of what they used to 5 years ago, and why many lifelong wrestling fans, like myself, have been completely disgusted by the WWE's product and find ourselves bored out of our skulls knowing EXACTLY what is going to happen at EVERY RAW, EVERY Smackdown, and EVERY PPV. Atleast when they had other mega-faces like the Rock and Austin they didn't keep the belt on them for years at a time.

John Cena is the reason I no longer watch the WWE. And that should be enough of a reason as to why his tenure has been a failure.

 

[Lil Wes]

What do you mean Cena was very lazy? Do you know anything about momentum? They wanted to make it look like Orton was going to win it all, so they had Orton gain the momentum for the whole match.

The thing is we have seen that many times already. Most people knew when Orton was dominating that match, Cena would evntually pull his "superman" comeback. So it wasn't doing much at all as we have seen that many times, It's predictable.

That is not what made the match good, one person having momentum for the whole match isn't a good match, one-sided matches never are good matches.

You just called RKO/Cena "great"...It was cleary one sided throughout.

They knew the fans wanted Cena to lose, or at least, a fair bit did. So they made it look like Cena was too lose. Than, last minute Cena wins it when you least expect it, thats what makes great matches,

Same thing I said above, When fans have seen this many times before it becomes predictable, I knew and surely everybody else knew RKO was not walking out champion dominating as much as he did. The Cena comeback wasn't least "expected"...It was only a matter of time which is why it takes all the excitement and fun out of the match.

If it would have been a regualr back & forth match, People wouldn't have had any clue he was walking out champion or not. We have just seen it too many times.

Because he knew what would get the fans, what would make them react,

He didn't play the crowd worth a piss in that match..They booed him out of the building and yet he stayed in his "Hogan" character mode.

That's not his fault at all though, It's that shit booking/creative WWE has these days.

what would make them pissed, he and Orton knew what would get the fans into the match the most, and they did it,

Not really, Just alot of boring brawling and restholds. The fans just liked giving Cena all the hell he could take since they are so sick of him. Take away the great fan reaction...That match would have been a bore.

I'm saying Cena made the match, because yes, Orton dominated, but if it wasn't for Cena and his last minute in the match, it would have been a horrible match, and only appreciated because Cena lost.

It would have been better if we had got to see more of Cena on the offensive side, Instead of getting his ass kicked only to "Hulk-Up" for his 5 moves. The match had an ok ending with Cena locking Orton into the STFU after the failed punt attempt but what's weird is Cena can kick out of an RKO and Orton can't kick out of a firemans carry


It was a average match, Best on the card but that really isn't saying much.

 

[CelticPride101]

ok lets get this straigh cena isent a great wrestler he never will be BUT look at the guy little 8 year olds out there seat wen he comes out from entrance my little cousin loves the guy he relates to the fans especially the younger kids Vince Mchamon=Wants Money John Cena= Money point blank cena is a good guy give him a break

 

[Slyfox696]

Take away the great fan reaction...That match would have been a bore.

Umm, duh?

Do you not understand that is the very essence of what "working" the crowd means? If the match truly did suck, like Batista vs. Khali, then the crowd would have popped hard for the beginning and then been dead the rest of the way through. That's not what happened.

Working a great match means "working" the crowd. And, how many Cena matches have you seen where the crowd isn't into a match? Now, compare that to how many Orton matches you've seen where a crowd wasn't into a match.

The whole idea behind a good match is working the crowd, making them care about the characters and who wins (as opposed to caring about moves), and then delivering. And that's what Cena vs. Orton did.

I really don't understand your logic.