[Official] John Cena Thread

[watchingandwaiting]

In a perfect world, I think Cena would have dropped the belt to HBK at Mania..but since that obviously didn't happen, I have to agree with Cena retaining in the 4 way, and in the way it happened. The Cena/HBK fued is generating fantastic heat with Cena as champ. HBK has KOed Cena two straight outings but still doesn't have the title to show for it. Its the perfect way to continue the "I'm the better man" fued. I think McMahon is right to keep Cena as champ until the fued with HBK starts to run out of gas and THEN pull the title switch in a 1 on 1 match, clean pin. Then Cena gets his rematch storyline which can take up another month or two before finally dropping out of the title picture.

Having Cena drop the title to HBK with controversy or in the 4 way wouldn't make make sense because losing clean to HBK doesn't really damage Cena since everyone knows that HBK is the better wrestler of the two.

On a somewhat related note..lots of people are posting that the fatal 4 way at backlash was crap. I'm guessing (and probably not going out on much of a limb) that its only because Cena won. Does the "winner" of a pre-determined outcome really make enough of a difference to overcome the entertainment value of everything leading up to the last 30 seconds or so of the match? Just curious what people think..

 

[danmorrison05]

the fatal four way was good it doesnt matter who wins, i thought it was good that you couldnt really say who was gna win til it was happening. as for cena he must be something good to create all this controversy the people like XFEARBEFORE who are bitching so much make me laugh because if you hated some1 that much you wouldnt care to write soo much about the matter. cena isnt my favourate wrestler because he is 100% good guy and that was fine for me when austin and rock were around when i was 10,11,12 becuse i was young - now im nearly 21 i have lived and worked a little and i notice life isnt always good and shit happens and cenas character doesnt appeal as much as it used to however there are some days when its been shit where i can watch raw and cena takes the shitness away as he is a symbol of goodness - wwe is what it says it is - entertsinment just like E.R. or 24 i love wwe i have done for 17 years and will forever but i dont take it as life or death, i let it tke me in a ride and i cheer nand boo when i want too if that makes me a mark or whatever so what. for good or for bad cena is what the wwe says it is wwe isnt real it is television for enjoyment controversy and escapism. i respect the fuck out of every guy who gets in the ring as it is all for us and anything i dont like about the guys is simply character

 

[TheRealDC]

Its not really the fact that it isn't entertaining danmorrison05... I agree people should boo the people they hate, and cheer the people they love. But when you have a guy like Cena, who is supposed to be the top face in the business, and he is coming out and getting booed, you have to take notice. I respect Cena for having the balls to stand in front of people every night and take whatever they throw at him. But, I don't like how the WWE is shoving him in our faces. If he would drop the belt, once, you would see a lot less bitching. Everyone is just tired of seeing Cena in the Main Event. And it is true that he only has had the belt for almost half a year. But look at the matches he has been a part of. Its this "overcoming the odds" BS that gets people aggravated because he isn't "overcoming odds", he is using little to no wrestling moves whatsoever. I'm frankly tired of watching him, being carried through a match, and then somehow, managing to win it. And that factor should be entertaining. But the people that are supposed to win everytime, and are supposed to piss you off, are the HEELS! Heels never lose, Heels get booed, Heels piss you off. Cena is supposed to be a good guy, but it is very apparent to me that when 75% of the crowd is booing him... he is no longer "the good guy" and when they try to mask it by saying he is a controversial champion, makes it even more stupid, because he does nothing that is controversial. The only thing controversial about John Cena, is his acting career. Other then that... I don't see how a "United States Marine" character is controversial. Unless they are trying to say that the USMC is a controversial group of fellows.

 

[figure4]

Yea, I'm a Cena fan, and I agree that Cena doesn't really 'overcome any odds' in his matches, that is pretty much true. But, every time somebody has a long title reign, face or heel, the fans get tired of it. The controversial champion part is for real though, you gotta admit. I mean, Cena has his own thread on here where fans and haters of the man bitch and moan about how great he is or how much he sucks. The thing is, I think that you have to respect this guy, whether you like him or not...I mean, he doesn't book the matches and he doesn't sign the checks. He has a boss like the rest of us and he has to do his job, you know. He hasn't generated any heat backstage (besides the McMahon pet thing) for having lackluster work ethic or for not having great in-ring skills. He hasn't particularly been bad for ratings and he does sell merchandise and DVDs. I understand where the hardcore fans are coming from, I'm one myself, but you just have to accept that this is a new era in wrestling. Maybe the next top guy will satisfy the die-hards, but we'll just have to stay tuned.

 

[KingBooker1987]

the reason cena is still on top is because he gets 30+ pages of threads only about him....

 

[Punisher1205]

but, watching Cena try to get his belt back was fun, I liked that, like a few of you said he got edgeier, more violent, just about business and kicking ass, for one split second in time I liked John Cena, than of course he gets the title back goes being the same old Cena and makes me puke.

I've said this before... I completly agree... if they would let him be full force, in your face, "I'm gonna go kick someone ass right now... just because i can, and I'm the champ" that would be entertaining... but he gets the belt back, and all of a sudden cena becomes happy-man good guy. runnin around, throwin out t-shirts and laughing everything off... its annoying now

 

[Shocky]

Well the reason why people bitch so much, is because it is the only way that we can get our fix. Face it, WWE has a monopoly on the business now. Ya, TNA is out there, but it's not competition, it's an alternative. WWE has inherited not only WCW and ECW, but it's absorbed that fan base too.

People demand to see a good match. Like it's been said a thousand times before, Cena gets carried through his entire match, hits one of his five moves and he wins. It's the same old tired horseshit. For the most part, and I know a lot will disagree, fans are pretty smart. We want to be entertained and suprised. That's why we don't leave, because we hate how shitty the product is now, but we know how good of a product it can be. The pieces of the puzzle are there in the WWE. If they fit them right, WWE will be kick ass again.

That is the frustration of teh marks, myself included. Two guys step up right awaay on Raw. Shawn Michaels and Edge. Most people would agree that these two deserve a lengthy title reign. We are bored with Cena. It's just like when Triple H held the belt the better part of a year, we want to be stimulated and suprised. Having a champion for 2 years is not the answer. A 2 year champino should bring dignity and crediblity to the belt, the WWE title right now, maybe the worst of the 4 championships. Yes I just said it, McMahon's title reign is better then Cena's. It's more entertaining, and it can create a helluva storyline. Even on the news site last week they had a poll on who was your favorite World Champion, Both Christian and the Undertaker blew Cena away.

We can argue back and forth all day on why Cena is champion, and it won't change anything. Vince is hell bent on shoving him down are throats. I think it's spiteful, to see how much he can get away with before the fans finally have enough, but that's just me. Here are the facts. Cena does not draw on Raw. A 3.7 is a very mediocre champion. The Age old Arguement of, well no one watched when Benoit was champion is garbage. Go over to Old School, look at the Average Ratings thread, Benoit outdrew Cena on Spike TV. Fact 2. Cena outsells people on merchandise. This is true, because I can't by an Edge Cancer band. It's like going to an apple orchard and asking for Orange Juice. Why Can't I get Orange Juice? Because we only have apples. That is the WWE, when 50% of their merchandise is Cena related, of course he's going to outsell people. Go at any given time on WWEshopzone, and his stuff isn't #1, but his cumulative sales are #1, why, because it's a bunch of shit on there.

*Side note, I'm sure XFear will respond on his own, but I think I may have just spoken for him.

 

[fredo3000]

Again tonight?
You gonna be kidding... I'm not watching RAW tonight.

 

[danmorrison05]

all this stuff u all talk about merchandise just 1 question - has any1 seen the rey mysterion merch pages? theres bout 600 items per week from that lil dude - also what is concidered carying a match as most matches r 50/50 put together. just coz the heel does most the moves means nothing - thats how a standard good v bad match works? has every1 forgot cena v umaga or r u all to tight to shed the dosh for a 'crappy wwe' ppv that features cena? alot of you criticise the product but most of you seemingly dont watch raw/ppvs so you just take the iwc's general view - i dnt believe brian alvarez or brian meltzer they know jack shit about the wwe there loser geeks who make shit up to earn money.

 

[TRaGiC]

wait till kennedy/hhh takes the wwe title away from cena..sometime in the future...

 

[fredo3000]

At least in TNA they do wrestle, not like WWE that are only bitch slapping each other, acting like they are very hurt,...only cuz WWE has a better marketing department doesn't mean that they provide a better show.

 

[danmorrison05]

tna is a combination of too many high impact moves in a short time - that is not wrestling - wheres the selling and psychology there? isnt this gtn away from the point tho?

 

[wandaXmaximoff]

I've been wondering why it is in particular that it is John Cena that is singled out by the IWC for being cr*p and having a repatitive moveset.

Lets face it he is n't great in the ring and his moveset is repetitive but that hardly qualifys him for the abuse that he recieves. There are plenty of other wrestlers with about the same level of abitity as Cena on WWE pay, look at Umaga, Chris Masters and Hulk Hogan. Cena was champ for nearly a year because he sold the most merchandice, put the butts in seats not because vinnie mac likes him, same reason as Batista and JBL were champs for so long. Lets face it the marks in the audience lap up Cena's gimmik and from the mind of an eight year old mark which action figure would you rather have the one of the WWE champion or the guy he beat on six separate occasions.

as for his limited moveset it's one hell of a lot more varied than Hogan who recieves a huge pop no matter what or how bad the match is. and lets not forget which wrestler first had the six moves of doom Bret Hart yet dispite him using the same formula to end the match he never recieves 'same old shit' chants. granted Bret is a better wrestler than Cena but you catch my drift.

Cena, yes the IWC's criticisms are true but does that really qualify him for 'if Cena wins we riot' signs? unlike Batista Cena doesnt really need to be carried he can put on an ok match himself. Unlike Randy Orton he isn't lazy in the ring, doesn't have an appauling backstage attitude, doesn't have a lack of respect, and has never been caught with drugs directly in violation of the wellbeing policy. Yet both of those wrestlers recieve their 'proper' responces from the fans.

rant over, have a nice day.

I couldn't agree with you more. I've been browsing these forums for a few months now, and I always wondered what was with all the Cena hatred. I guess I should have looked at the sticky threads first!

I admit it, I'm a Cena fan and proud of it. However, I do agree that him having the title for so long does get tiresome, but at the end of the day, it's not all his fault.

I think the real problem is McMahon and the bookers, McMahon especially because he just wants to make more money and goes about that the fastest way -- through the kids and marks.

I don't think I have anything else to add really, you summed my feeling up perfectly. :tu:

 

[Shadowmancer]

all this stuff u all talk about merchandise just 1 question - has any1 seen the rey mysterion merch pages? theres bout 600 items per week from that lil dude - also what is concidered carying a match as most matches r 50/50 put together. just coz the heel does most the moves means nothing - thats how a standard good v bad match works? has every1 forgot cena v umaga or r u all to tight to shed the dosh for a 'crappy wwe' ppv that features cena? alot of you criticise the product but most of you seemingly dont watch raw/ppvs so you just take the iwc's general view - i dnt believe brian alvarez or brian meltzer they know jack shit about the wwe there loser geeks who make shit up to earn money.

You are right in some cases, matches are 50/50 in terms of carrying the weight of the matches, but Cena doesn't do that. He doesn't Sell injuries, Case in point, Wrestlemania 23. He didn't sell a knee injury that he was supposed to have due to HBK putting "a whole Lot of Hurt" on Cena's knee. As for the Merchandise, it is all fabricated in terms of numbers. I am getting sick and tired of people using this as the reason that Cena is on Top. It is bullcrap that is the reason, sure he may sell a lot of merchandise but if you take away the stuff that they sell of Cena's that noone else has and then you actually offer alternative Wrestlers merchandise, then there will be a marked drop in the sales figures. It has been reported that WWE have pulled Heels merchandise so they can over inflate the numbers on guys like Cena, it has reportedly been done to both Edge and Kennedy, so don't give this excuse again as it is old and is not true. As for Dave Meltzer, he knows what he is talking about when it comes to matches, go look at his five star matches and you will see a great match. But it is not what the casual fans go out of their way to watch, unless they happen to own the back history of Wrestlemania on DVD than they can watch a couple of them.

 

[TheGame2128879]

Wow, I really like the idea of A Triple H / Mr. Kennedy feud. Both are excellent on the mike, have great skills, and will be able to play the heel to eachother which is great two heels do make a right as far as I'm concerned.

As for you Figure4I'm sorry if the word wigger is offensive to you, as a BLACK MAN I dont see how that word in any way shape or form relates to you so please don't put racial undertones in my mouth, or criticise my choice of words. Oh yeah and the Bret Hart thing, I knew what you were saying I was just making a point that Cena isn't even close to the same league and was just saying basically in sarcasm and some literalism he shouldn't even have his name in the same sentence as Bret Hart.

I recall reading the posts and someone mentioned Cena holding the belt until Triple H gets back and dropping it to him possibly. I must tell you I would like to see nothing more than that but damn it I dont think that will fly with McMahon. If THE GAME did indeed reclaim the throne I think it would be better for the company and I would like to see Triple H avenge his losses to John Cena, Chris Benoit(that was a fucking joke), and of course none other than Bitchtista. GOD I HATE BATISTA !!!!!!!! Him and Lashley both are cheap replacements for Lesnar all the way, and niether of them have the kind of ability Lesnar did so screw them. I know a lot can be argued for Lashley and I'll give him some props but the fact remains Lesnar would chew up and spit both him and Batista in one night, easy.

As for TNA/NWA IMPACT! I like it a little, very remininscent of the old WCW and I like the fact they offer some origionalty with a 6 sided ring, X-Division, and thier own spin on thw wrestling product they present. Did anyone happen to notice the Team 3-d VS LAX six sided steel cage electrified ??? Since when has WWE even done anything like that ??? What ?? What do you say ???? Infero Match ???? not even close. I think TNA's storylines and promos are kind of hoaky but hey it's wrestling not a movie so who cares. I like the fact that they have thier own set of wrestlers not acquired from WCW or WWE like "THE PHENOMENAL A.J. STYLES" and the real golden goose of the company "THE SAMOAN SUBMISSION MACHINE SAMOA JOE" I like the fact that they have stayed true to these individuals and actually kept them inthier top brackeet of competition.

I do think however they have a major talent conflict in thier Heavyweight division and Tag Team division. The conflict being that there is too much talent and not enough room at the top for everyone to shine fair and equally. Lets just look at the main event names in the Heavyweight division, Keep in mind most in not all of these people have been World or Heavyweight champions before : Sting, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Scott Steiner, Tomko, Christian Cage, Rhyno, Abyss, Ron Killings, Jeff Jarrett, and now A.J. Styles has entered the heavywieght division. Then take a look at the Tag Teams we have Team 3-D, LAX, VKM(NEW AGE OUTLAWS), Ravens Flock, The Naturals(my favorite), Any combination of X-division competitors, we did have Americas Most Wanted, and Team Canada, and so on an so on. These are all top caliber teams and Heavyweight all of whom could carry the gold.

I think as a result some people aren't getting the push they deserve or are being used in the wrong way and I really really am hurting for the fact that they have one of my absolute favorites of all time in my top 5 easily Kevin Nash.. I mean Diesel, and he is reduced to cutting promos with X-Division wrestlers. I think they're funny, Kevin Nash is actually a funny guy in real life so you so get to see a little more of the actual Nash than before, but I'd like to still be seeing those famous Jacknife Powerbombs, He is not too old as some of you might say, and I think he has the experience to definately lead the company.

 

[Punisher1205]

. Did anyone happen to notice the Team 3-d VS LAX six sided steel cage electrified ??? Since when has WWE even done anything like that ??? What ?? What do you say ???? Infero Match ???? not even close.

Even though this is leading the conversation away from cena... That match, was freakin terrible... Well hold on, the match, if you cut out any and all of the cage use, was great, but the electrified thing was BS. i was at that show and the entire crowd began boo'ing as soon as they first hit the cage, One problem, They insisted on using this "Buzzing" sound effect during the entire match, because you know all electrical things make buzzing so loud you can hardly hear men of bubba ray's size hitting the mat. and also when they hit the cage, the lights flashed and they made more SFX... and homocides acting was terrible. I mean, it was a cool idea, but wasnt done properly... so dont put that as a strong point for TNA... personally I love TNA and WWE... I like them both, TNA gives me the fast paced, hard hitting action that i've grown to love, and WWE gives me good story's that (hopefully) keep me entertained.

Alright, now whoever said that Khali is a better wrestler than John Cena... You went a little far there on that one...


Cena Vs. Khali

Technical Wrestling ability? Winner: Cena

Mic Skills? Winner: Cena

Injury Selling? *as bad as his WM effort... winner still: Cena

Highflying moves? Winner: Cena

Crowd Reaction? Prolly a draw


i mean really, think about it... as old as the cena champ storyline is getting, Its still better than a khali champ run...

 

[kilva]

Cena's good coz he is one of the few controversial wrestlers in WWE
Some love him, some want to kill him
But he has to lose his gimmick, its getting lame
I missed the old gimmick where Cena mock his opponents with funny
insults using his rapping Ability

 

[pookie]

Its truly amazing how Cena has changed in the last five years. From walking down the ramp in tight red shorty shorts... To his rap gimmick... Which by the way is not that bad at all... Now his marine gimmick... Which I also like because of what the idea of a marine stands for... Not so much of the person putting on the idea, but he does do a good job of it. His wrestling ability is limited. It is too late to send him down to OVW again (obviously). I dont know what else would help. Maybe put on a fake injury for two monthes, hit the weight room, and train his ass off. For the love of god use some other moves. I mean it is literally boring as ever watching him wrestle. When the Game comes back thats when they should put this through. As much as I like the guy his wrestling lacks, Oh i dont know, everything...

 

[thelcon21]

Maybe put on a fake injury for two monthes, hit the weight room, and train his ass off. For the love of god use some other moves. I mean it is literally boring as ever watching him wrestle. When the Game comes back thats when they should put this through. As much as I like the guy his wrestling lacks, Oh i dont know, everything...

I'm not a Cena fan but he doesn't need to hit the weight room. He is already in great shape. There is no way they will give him 2 months off he sells tons of merchandise and they need to entertain the little kids and women who love him. I think the only answer for it is to take the title off and get him out of the spotlight for a few PPVs so he can work on his wrestling a little.

 

[Edgeh]

I really hate cena. He's had the title too long. Completely ridiculous. They're even making him win by random "Luck".. This is pathetic..just get him to drop the title...before..everyone loved him..but now...everyone hates him..which is nice for people like JBL..but cena is supposed to be the suck-up. Lemme Guide you through this.

Mania' 21. JBL vs. Cena. (crowd favorite:Cena) Cena wins. Thoughts:Cool. A New World Champ. I kinda like this.
Mania' 22. Cena vs. HHH (crowd favorite:HHH) Cena wins. Thoughts: Crap..this is gettin ridiculous
Mania' 23. Cena vs. HBK (crow favorite:HBK) Cena wins. Thoughts: This is no longer gettin ridiculous this is ridiculous..nobody even likes him anymore.

3 main event manias..3 W's. I see a major problem here. *Bret Hart Comes Down From The Heavens*...This startin to sound familiar?

My suggestions: Give the title to the youngons...Edge maybe..yes he's 31..but under no circumstances was he given a fair title run.

Whatever Needs To Be Done: Vince...Cena...DROP THE BELT.

 

[tdo2g]

dam it i got banned for mocking cena he is by far da worst wwe champ of all time he gets carrid through his matches and duz his finsha he is the defition of worst ww f/e champ i hope scott hall comes back and will be 2 fat 2 carrie him through his matches

 

[TheRealDC]

I actually have to disagree with Punisher...

Think about the facts... ANY CHAMP, would be a good champ as long as it isn't Cena. The next person to take down Khali would get a huge push. Needless to say, I believe Cena has already had quite the push. So I believe we will get a Khali title run. But it will be very very short. Possibly a 24 hour run, or at least a next PPV run. Cena has a limited move set, I won't jump the bandwagon and say he is improving. But he has added at least a couple of new moves... (I honestly think that legdrop from the top rope is rather gay, and don't see why everyone else is impressed with it.) Regardless, Khali has more then Cena does. The reason I say that, is because Khali isn't shoved down our throats as much as Cena is. Any change is a good change (a Khali change isn't always a good thing... but hey...) He has more presence in the ring then Cena does now. Cena, we all know what he is going to do, and its the same old shit. With Khali, we really don't know what he can do because... he is always in squash matches. He showed a little more effort with Kane at WM. Not a lot, but more then we've seen.

But now that I think about it... this is basically a no contest... you heard it here... I'm going to spoil this for you. Neither one of these two will pin the other... it will end in a no contest at the next PPV if they are to fight. Because they won't damage Khali's "dominance" and they won't tarnish "The Champs reputation."

This is basically a distraction from the norm, as the figure out what the fuck they are going to do with the rest of the locker room and the fans, seeing as how I'm willing to bet, everyone is tired of Cena as champ.

 

[TNA Smark]

I agree, compared to the other moves that guys like RVD, Rey Myster, Mr. Kennedy and etc. has done John Cena's leg drop off the top of the rope is not that impressive. I rather Cena as champ rather than Khali because he actually tries to wrestling unlike Khali. He just punches his opponent and big boots them followed by his finisher. I'm not a fan of Cena either. Look at Hogan vs. Andre at Wrestlemania III. Hogan was over as it was but they had him slamming someone who seemed impossible to slam. So, if Cena can F-U Khali then he will get over even more because Cena is smaller than Hogan and Khali is bigger than Andre. I won't be suprised at the end of that match because I can see Cena retaining and Khali having a Kane type run.

 

[KingBooker1987]

not everyone can have an 1 hr. match like cena and hbk. That was WRESTLING at its finest, im not saying it was the best but for cena it was a GOOD match. Cena held his own in that match. u have to respect him for that. a person without talent would not have lasted that long.

 

[watchingandwaiting]

Hopefully WWE will give Cena/Orton a good amount of time before ruining it with a Khali run-in tommorow night. It'll be interesting to see if Cena is able to continue his run of pretty good matches with HBK not being involved. Orton is a solid worker, but I don't think there will be much disagreement if I say he's not on HBK's level. IF the two of them can team up for a even, flowing match then maybe we can start thinking about the possibility that the 1 hour match with HBK was more than just a fluke or all HBK. Personally, I already think that, but I know I'm in the minority