[Official] John Cena Thread

[watchingandwaiting]

I agree with Xfear's point that it isn't right to use this one match as "irrefutable evidence of Cena's worth". No one match can do that for any wrestler. If anything, I think it could serve as evidence for Cena's potential.

What I don't agree with is the complaint that some people have raised that there wasn't enough pure wrestling in the match. While its true there wasn't much of it, and what wrestling there was was concentrated in the opening (for the most part), I don't think that Cena's gimmick allows for a pure wrestling match. He is a brawler,a punch-thrower and a high impact move guy, as King and JR make sure to remind us every week. Now whether that gimmick is in place to cover up his deficiencies in terms of wrestling ability is a subject that I'm not going to touch right now. Sufficed to say, it would like very weird to see Cena using pure wrestling moves for the majority of the match based on the style that he has used for as long as I've been watching.

One other quick comment about the booking of the match. Some people have complained that they weren't impressed by the length of the match because it was boring. I agree there weren't any really big, impressive spots. The biggest bump of the match that I can remember would have been either the top rope leg drop or the back body drop on the outside. Either way, not very big bumps in comparison to stuff we've seen both of those guys take. In retrospect, that isn't surprising at all. It was the last show before a PPV, so I'm sure it was booked in a way to minimize the risk of injury to either of them. I really think that if those two get another shot at a 1 v 1 match at a PPV they can put on a match that would be memorable.

 

[Ja_204]

I think they should have him on the backburner and learn some more moves. Get rid of the FU, and maybe just use a powerslam or a spinebuster.

He has to lose the belt for awhile and this would be the best time to learn more cred moves

 

[Papa Shango]

I think they should have him on the backburner and learn some more moves. Get rid of the FU, and maybe just use a powerslam or a spinebuster.

He has to lose the belt for awhile and this would be the best time to learn more cred moves

Why get rid of the FU? It gets one of the biggest reactions from the crowd, whether it b cheers or boos? And when it's done right, it looks painful, especially when his opponnet sucks it up SELLS THE DAMN THING!!! Why would he change his finisher to a generic move like the spinebuster or the powerslam? As a setup for the STFU maybe, but not as his damn finisher! Besides, Lashley uses the British Bulldog Running Powerslam and Meathead Batita uses the Spinebuster.Excelsior!!

PS that was my little cousin who messed with that last post so I made this post again

 

[Deadman741]

yeah the FU does look like a painful move when done and sold right, and Cena wouldnt change his finisher now, while hes at his prime. I would rather get rid of the STFU as it just looks stupid and over sold by Cena and straight out he looks hes shitting himself all over his opponent.That wont happen now though because hes made too many legendary wrestlers tap out to it, including all those in one of the greatest main events at Wrestlemania xx(HBK, HHH, Benoit.)

 

[Shining Wizard]

I dont think they need to get rid of his moves but add more to it or at least turn him heel and give him a new move set. I mean if he was heel he would get over big time because the smarks would already hate him and so would the marks thus making him a major heel. He'd be better off but its because he is making a major percent of merchandising for the WWE they wont turn him. IMO, merchandise cash is ok but why not turn him heel? So what you loose a couple g's or so. You still making money no matter what and it would be better for John Cena and his career. In the end its about the company and John Cena and this will help both because the fans would get more interested into John Cena and RAW.

I was also thinking put John Cena in a top RAW stable as a heel or as a face to help him get over as a face more. There hasnt been a face stable since DX had there face run. Not the recent reunion of DX, when Shawn left and NAO came in. So it could be interesting. But if they decide to turn him heel a stable turn would be the best way to do it.

 

[mike26837]

Now I'm not a hardcore Cena fan but i do like the guy. He is no where near the best wrestler but he seems to be getting(and i stretch this when i say it) better every week. I mean think about it if Cena adds a new move to his set every week(which i believe he has done) in another month or 2 he'll have about 30. But i must admit that i'm tired of him as a face,a marine, and champ. I'll be rooting for him to lose it at Backlash though i believe thats a long shot.

 

[TNA Smark]

I hate Cena. He has ruined the credibility of many wrestlers including Umaga, Edge and even HBK. At Wrestlemania HBK out wrestled him and basically carried the match while Cena no carried. Cena only did his specials and that was towards the end. Then Cena wins by making him tap cleanly. He beats Umaga twice with Umaga's manager Armando interfering thus ending his winning streak even with interference of Armando. At Royal Rumble Umaga dominated Cena until Cena comes back and wins by choking him out and he is suppose to be a monster. I think Cena being portrayed as superman is what gets him in so much heat with the fans. No one wants to see his repetitive matches of him getting dominated and making a quick come back.

Like many others said Cena is good for two things and that is his ability to cut a promo and his merchandise. I bet he makes a vast majority of merchandise sales. Thats also probally the only reason they dont turn him heel. Another problem I have with Cena is he is in the spotlight on RAW which is the main show so he is shown more through out the show. On SD! the champions have limited time for some reason. I noticed that over the years and when Cena was on SD! during the draft he didnt get as much spot light so people didnt recognize how bad he sucked. If you watch his matches with Kurt Angle now you'd notice how bad he was in the ring but you just didnt noticed.

 

[thelcon21]

::Shakes Head:: I don't think he is ever going to lose the title. I'm so happy I didn't order Backlash because it is the same old crap the last 2 years. When are they going to change things up already and get Cena after the main event picture? There are no longer any brand only shows so taking him out of the main event isn't going to kill PPV buyrates. If you think about it I didn't order the ppv because I didn't need to see the same thing over again so it may help buyrates.

 

[KingofKingsJT]

He got the normal mixed reaction

 

[jackhammer_27]

Wow. I seem to remember a time when a heel Cena was being praised and everyone couldn't wait for a face turn and a lengthy title reign. I am not a huge Cena fan but the guy ain't that bad. He HAS been the champ for way too long and I'd like to see HBK or Edge or somebody else get a title reign. By the same token however, not long ago people slammed short title reigns because it took away from the "legitimacy" of the world titles. It just seems to amaze me how when wrestling fans get what they want, they start complaining and want a new status quo. I don't hate or love Cena. He can be entertaining, but he should work on his move set. A heel turn IMO would help him out alot. If he isn't trying to milk the crowd for face pops, he could go for a few different moves other than the People's Elb..... er Five Knuckle Shuffle. Most heel workers have the better move set because of the obligatory heel dominated middle of the match before the face makes his comeback. Cena is a natural athlete so it probably wouldn't be a stretch to pick up a few new moves. Then, after about a year or so, flip flop back to a face, a la the Rock, and you have a better Cena to push as a face. Just not down our throats. All that having been said, IT'S NOT CENA'S FAULT HE GETS SHOVED DOWN OUR NECKS!! Cena isn't a booker, so cut the guy some slack. He has a boss just like any one else who has a job(no pun intended). I think alot of the time he falls victim to bad booking. Now, let the slamming begin.

 

[herooftime]

I just going to say how I feel about cena. Personally I think he is a good guy, good wrestler and he has potential. The PROBLEMS are that.
1. he has had the title way to long and personally I getting sick of it
2. he should turn heel. I loved cena heel and I think it would be a good way for wwe to mix things up.
3. he being shoved down our throats like we are suppose to to love him.
4.he trying to wrestler like a technical wrestler where clearly he is a braweler.

If wwe is trying so hard to make him like the next stone cold then they are making a mistake. They shouldn’t focus on cena on being the next anyone but rather being the first cena. I just need a break from him big time.

 

[Punisher1205]

They shouldn’t focus on cena on being the next anyone but rather being the first cena. I just need a break from him big time.

Yea, same here, I am a cena fan, I started being a cena fan back in the heel days, when he had to use the chain to beat anyone, that was why i started liking him, now all of a sudden (Well, not really, its been awhile now) he is... a Marine? wtf? i dunno, I would LOVE a heel turn, and even though i remember hearing people wanting a face turn for him back then, I was never a fan of it... I like him as a heel... or hell, maybe just if he gets this booed/mixed reaction thats close to more boo's he needs to call the crowd out! tell them to STFU or something... instead of giving us this confused look... it just really bothers me when wrestlers know how the crowd is "Supposed" to react then the crowd doesnt react that way, yet the wrestlers continue on as if they and the crowd were still on the same page. If cena gets Boo's after a big match, or when he comes out, have him turn and look at some of the people boo'ing and just give them the finger, or make a crack about them... something that shows the guy has some balls.

But no, we cant have him do that, he has to be the good guy... the really nice guy, the clean cut, I win the clean way... *Sarcastic*

ok, if they ARENT going to ever allow cena go back to the old heel ways, then why dont they go ahead and have a heel beat cena by cheating, then when cena is like, you may have beaten me, but you cheated... have the heel call him out on it, have him show clips of cena winning multiple times by use of brass knucks or with the chain when the ref isnt looking... then at least cena can be like "i regret what i used to do..." OR wait, maybe use that as a way to get cena back like that, He could be like, wow, i forgot who i was, i gotta be true to myself... then he makes his heel turn...?

 

[Thewking2007]

Fuck Yall John Cena Haterz!!!

 

[Johncena2007]

I agree With Him

 

[drphiltheawesomeninja22]

Ive complained and vented out before on how much i really dont like cena..BUT..honestly when i watched Backlash last night...I was PISSED. Seriously is Cena ever going to lose that title? I dont care WHO he loses it to. It could be The Great Khali or some other dip shit for all I care. But...ya know...theyve gotta let it go..Im getting tired of seeing the same storyline B.S. as we've been seeing for months and what not. *sigh* is there really a light at the end of this tunnel? please someone bring me good news..please

 

[TheGame2128879]

Well I will start by saying no, Fuck You John Cena lovers because this guy has stunk up the show too many times. If I could express a greater hatred for any wrestler of any time I would but this asshole takes the cake. Someone in an earlier post dared to compare him to Bret " The Hitman " Hart which is a complete farce and illegitimately pursued. There is no comparison for one Bret Hart's move set is practically never ending and he is without a doubt " The Best There Is, The Best There Was, and The Best There Ever Will Be. " plain and simple. Bret would easily fold Cena like a pretzel in the famed " Sharpshooter " until he passed out like "Stone Cold" in a match with "The Excellence of Execution". So if I ever hear anyone compare John Cena to Hart again I just might lose it.

Cena is the worst champion I have seen in years, I hated Guerrero, and Benoit as champions simply because from the business angle they dont have the right images, and they beat the most credible people to get them, Triple-H, and of course who did eddie beat ??? Oh yeah that's right, no one. Goldberg interfered in the match and speared Brock Lesnar to give eddie the chance to beat Lesnar since it was scientifically impossible for that to happen. And Benoit, not a champoin, maybe U.S. or I.C. but not heavywieght or WWE. Key term is HEAVYWEIGHT and he looks like a roided out midget so no go for him.

Much like these two yokels I just explained, Cena is a bitch he did not earn his title the first time, and if you go back to when he first touched gold at Wrestlemania 20 he cheated to beat the Big Show and gain the U.S. title, so he sucked then and still does. He has NO wrestling ability and the worst gimmick ever. First he's a wigger, then he's still a Wigger with a Blingin belt, Then suddenly that whole image is abandoned and he's just Cena, then now he's The Marine which is a joke by the way since he's never served a day in his life in the Marines. When RVD beat him I was still pissed becasue I dont like RVD either, but, watching Cena try to get his belt back was fun, I liked that, like a few of you said he got edgeier, more violent, just about business and kicking ass, for one split second in time I liked John Cena, than of course he gets the title back goes being the same old Cena and makes me puke.

I think this whole thing wih Cena is a joke. I am fed up and tired with him winning ever single damn match no matter what happens. Last monday on raw I was especially pissed becasue the one time HBK did beat him there was no title for grabs and by the way Cena got his ass kicked so bad at Wrestlemania 23 by Michaels there is no way Michaels should not be wearing that damn belt anyway. As far as I'm concerned Shawn was corporately robbed. Cena always has and always will need someone else to make him look good. His whole Superman act where no matter what happens, how bad he gets beat up, no matter what finisher he suffers, anything... he always wins somehow is fucking bullshit. I don't care who he is, everyone loses and convicingly at that, except Brock Lesnar his match with Goldberg and loss to guerrero were simply due to him leaving the company otherwise he would still be in title contention. We haven't been made to swallow shit like this since Hogan and it sucks that they have wasted such a gimmick on John Cena.

I don't hate Cena for holding the title the same way everyone hated Triple H for it, see Triple H is " The Game " and he has real wrestling ability unlike Cena, in his match with Cena at Wrestlemania he Schooled him and showed him to be the bitch he is just like Michaels did this year at Mania'. Triple H is just an amazing wrestler period, he can be Heel or Face and still get the same cheers because he's the man. Cena on the other hand is booed no matter what, The fans are tired of him, he is unrealistic, unskilled, and has held the title too long regardless of any other factors surrounding that matter. I swear, he better loose that title this year sometime or I will probably just loose all hope, and maybe even boycott wrestling becasue of it.

 

[ErkBono23]

it seems pretty clear to me that cena will be holding this title around his waist until the return of hhh...i can only see hhh as the one who will really bring some sort of integrity to the belt once cena gets rid of it...at this point anyone will be better..i will admit cena has gone way past his run as champion and should not have it around his waist anymore...the Cena situation has become exaggerated and overrated..but it is just a matter of time until Vinces other more powerful and entertaining pet arrives to make Cena look like the actual puppy he is...

 

[figure4]

Well I will start by saying no, Fuck You John Cena lovers because this guy has stunk up the show too many times. If I could express a greater hatred for any wrestler of any time I would but this asshole takes the cake. Someone in an earlier post dared to compare him to Bret " The Hitman " Hart which is a complete farce and illegitimately pursued. There is no comparison for one Bret Hart's move set is practically never ending and he is without a doubt " The Best There Is, The Best There Was, and The Best There Ever Will Be. " plain and simple. Bret would easily fold Cena like a pretzel in the famed " Sharpshooter " until he passed out like "Stone Cold" in a match with "The Excellence of Execution". So if I ever hear anyone compare John Cena to Hart again I just might lose it.

Cena is the worst champion I have seen in years, I hated Guerrero, and Benoit as champions simply because from the business angle they dont have the right images, and they beat the most credible people to get them, Triple-H, and of course who did eddie beat ??? Oh yeah that's right, no one. Goldberg interfered in the match and speared Brock Lesnar to give eddie the chance to beat Lesnar since it was scientifically impossible for that to happen. And Benoit, not a champoin, maybe U.S. or I.C. but not heavywieght or WWE. Key term is HEAVYWEIGHT and he looks like a roided out midget so no go for him.

Much like these two yokels I just explained, Cena is a bitch he did not earn his title the first time, and if you go back to when he first touched gold at Wrestlemania 20 he cheated to beat the Big Show and gain the U.S. title, so he sucked then and still does. He has NO wrestling ability and the worst gimmick ever. First he's a wigger, then he's still a Wigger with a Blingin belt, Then suddenly that whole image is abandoned and he's just Cena, then now he's The Marine which is a joke by the way since he's never served a day in his life in the Marines. When RVD beat him I was still pissed becasue I dont like RVD either, but, watching Cena try to get his belt back was fun, I liked that, like a few of you said he got edgeier, more violent, just about business and kicking ass, for one split second in time I liked John Cena, than of course he gets the title back goes being the same old Cena and makes me puke.

I think this whole thing wih Cena is a joke. I am fed up and tired with him winning ever single damn match no matter what happens. Last monday on raw I was especially pissed becasue the one time HBK did beat him there was no title for grabs and by the way Cena got his ass kicked so bad at Wrestlemania 23 by Michaels there is no way Michaels should not be wearing that damn belt anyway. As far as I'm concerned Shawn was corporately robbed. Cena always has and always will need someone else to make him look good. His whole Superman act where no matter what happens, how bad he gets beat up, no matter what finisher he suffers, anything... he always wins somehow is fucking bullshit. I don't care who he is, everyone loses and convicingly at that, except Brock Lesnar his match with Goldberg and loss to guerrero were simply due to him leaving the company otherwise he would still be in title contention. We haven't been made to swallow shit like this since Hogan and it sucks that they have wasted such a gimmick on John Cena.

I don't hate Cena for holding the title the same way everyone hated Triple H for it, see Triple H is " The Game " and he has real wrestling ability unlike Cena, in his match with Cena at Wrestlemania he Schooled him and showed him to be the bitch he is just like Michaels did this year at Mania'. Triple H is just an amazing wrestler period, he can be Heel or Face and still get the same cheers because he's the man. Cena on the other hand is booed no matter what, The fans are tired of him, he is unrealistic, unskilled, and has held the title too long regardless of any other factors surrounding that matter. I swear, he better loose that title this year sometime or I will probably just loose all hope, and maybe even boycott wrestling becasue of it.

I think you may be talking about me 'comparing Cena to Bret Hart'. I wasn't comparing Cena to Bret Hart, I was just responding to an early complaint that Cena's moveset was repetitive, and I said that most wrestlers have a repetitive moveset, a comeback that you pretty much know what he's going to do. And Bret, as great as he is, had a repetitive comeback just like a lot of other guys. I would never put Cena in the class of Bret Hart. They get the job done in different ways. I'm not that stupid.

And the 'wigger' thing...I think this should be regarded in the same breath as saying a homosexual slur. You're not allowed to rant a homosexual slur on here, so I don't think you should be able to say that either. If you do not like Cena, then that's great, but 'wigger' is too close to being a racial slur, and I don't think that is right to say. But I don't have the right to tell you what or what not to say, but that could be offensive, you know.

 

[X]

Dude come the fuck on. Since when the fuck was wigger offensive? It says nothing about your race, simply about how you try to act like a majority of another race acts.

Has this forum really become this *****fied that now people are getting bent out of shape for using the word wigger? Was that not his gimmick? Last time I checked it was. Now he's a Marine, dropped the whole gangster think except for his music.

I don't even know what to say anymore on the topic of Cena. Those who have been here for a bit know exactly how I feel about the guy. The fact that he won at Backlash, once again just pisses right in the face of every person who bought that PPV and went to that show in the hopes of seeing Cena lose. The only people who like the guy are children who will cheer for anyone that Vince tells them to, and people who don't know shit about what it means to be a good wrestler/performer.

What else is there to say that hasn't already been said. Shoved down our throats, can't wrestle, horrible at everything he does. People say the guy has good mic skills, I'll agree when he was the gangster he had great mic work with his raps (even though the guy is easily the worst fucking rapper on the face of the earth, Madonna could school him in a rap battle for christ sake) but since then he has done nothing but suck on the mic. What is every promo of his like? "I'm the champ! You can't see me! -insert horrible attempt at humor here-". Not to mention his homophobic statement last night at Backlash.

McMahon is just trying so damn hard to fit a square peg into a circle hole, and it won't work. He's trying to mold Cena into the next Austin or Rock, but the fact is he doesn't have the skills on the mic or in the ring to back that up. The fans have turned on him so fiercely because they are sick and tired of wasting hard earned money on matches that are complete and utter horse shit. Khali has more skills in the ring then Cena for christ sake. Cena will never, ever be the next big star, despite how many little kids chant his name. First off the guy has absolutely no attitude in him at all. Atleast when he was with the gangster gimmick he would talk shit and be an asshole. Now he's just a fuckin' pussy who tries to shake hands with his opponents and be their friends.

I thought we had evolved in wrestling past the days of being force fed utter shit like Hogan? I mean back then it was acceptable because American's really hadn't seen good wrestling, ever. It wasn't on TV and they couldn't go online and watch matches or buy DVDs/VHS. And Hogan entertained. He may have been a piece of shit politicker, but jesus he still gets huge pops, look at the recap of the Memphis show the crowd went crazy for the guy. If anyone thinks Cena will be getting pops in twenty years, wake up and smell the bullshit mate.

 

[figure4]

Once again xfear, I was not talking to you. I don't have anything for you right now, even though you said so many wrong things in your post. But I'll let you have your moment.

I'm a black man, and I'm sorry if anything remotely close to the n word offends me. That's just me. That guy can say what the fuck he wants. I said it a while ago, that a lot of people decided they didn't like Cena because of the original 'thug' get-up, the rapping and throwing gang signs and that type of thing. Just because this may or may not apply to you doesn't mean you need to rant and bitch as soon as I make this claim. But a lot of people were prejudiced from the beginning, and they use the whole 'can't wrestle' garbage as their reasoning as a cover-up. Some people feel that if Cena wasn't a 'wigger', then they would like him more, even if his in-ring skill was the same as it is now.

This doesn't apply to all Cena haters, I know, so no need to chew me up and spit me out. But soon as you put 'wigger' in your reasoning for disliking the guy, it takes this to a whole 'nother level that I don't really want to go.

 

[X]

I don't believe any one said that they hated him because of acting like a wigger. And if they did, how is that offensive? Word's only hurt if you let them. Honestly you really think that white people are still overall racist? That's bullshit. There are obviously millions upon millions of racist people in America and the world, racist to all different races and genders. Words only have the power that you give them.

Almost every person on here liked Cena in his thug gimmick a million times better then the Marine gimmick, so that throws out your theory that people didn't like him based on his gimmick. People liked him alot better as the thug then as the Marine, that's a fact. You really think that wrestling fans would dislike somebody because they act like a stereotypical black gangsta? Then why again don't people hate on Cryme Tyme? Oh yes, because they have wrestling skills. People don't like Cena because of his wrestling, not because of anything personal against the man or his gimmick or his rapping. People hate him because he is one of the worst if not the worst in ring performer of the last twenty years, and the guy is champ.

Any wrestling fan with any intelligence doesn't care about the gimmick, they care about the wrestling. And Cena can't deliver on that front. People use "can't wrestle" as a cover up for their racist feelings in your opinion? That's such a crock of shit. The fact of the matter is that Cena CAN'T WRESTLE. It's not even opinion any more, it's fact. How you say? By studying tapes of the man and seeing how many times he messes up spots, no-sells, and generally fucks matches up beyond any recognition of what a good match could be.

What mistakes did I make in my post? Most of it was opinion anyways, so we can debate opinions all day. This conversation seems to never end with me and you. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind.

But I just don't understand how you can like Cena. There are people who's opinion it is that the Holocaust never happened, does that mean their opinion is in any way based on truth? No. So whenever someone says "Cena is a good wrestler" they might as well be saying "Cigarettes are good for you". Because it's bullshit.

Sorry if I offended you, but wigger is in no way a racist term. And even if it was, which it isn't, what does it matter? Do words really offend you that much? People have told me that they've dug up my dead father and raped him just to try and hurt me, and it doesn't. You know why? Because they are words, and words do not hurt unless you let them.

Once again, I am sorry if I have offended you in any way, that was not my intention.

 

[figure4]

Nah dude, we're cool. I respect everybody on here who says whats on their mind, and I encourage that, but I still have a right to be offended sometimes.

Cena, for the last time, can wrestle, believe it or not. He just doesn't do it the way everybody would like him to. The brawling, fighting style suits his gimmick, and if he had a different gimmick, then he would fight a different style. Would you expect to see a brawler, a fighter, to do drop toe-holds and suplexes in a street brawl? No, you wouldn't. You'd expect punching and kicking and stomping. If Cena was technically sound, then the gimmick just would not work the same, he wouldn't be unorthodox, and there wouldn't be anything that separated him from the rest of the pile. Everybody can't be technically sound. Cena doesn't even look technically sound; he's an overly muscular guy who wears regular shorts and tennis shoes. The fighting, brawling style is more appropriate. If you watch his OVW shit and the early WWE days before the 'thug' gimmick started to click with the fans, then you'll see his style is a little bit different than it is now.

If you've been watching the WWE for a long time, and I'm sure you have, then you know that no matter who the top guy is, he won't satisfy everybody. And you also realize that Vinnie Mac doesn't always care about the die-hards who want great technicians like a lot of Cena haters, that he does what he feels is hot for the moment. I appreciate good old technicians like the rest of you, but that is not what WWE is about, and you know that. Cena is hot for the moment, but obviously they have to build somebody up to be the next top guy, because Cena's reign at the top is coming to an end, he's definitely been run dry the last few years.

 

[Joker ' Ferreira]

I don't like John Cena anymore, ok, he holding the title since Unforgiven is pathetic and it's showing everybody that Vince doesn't give a damn about what people think he only looks at profits and Cena is the main characther in the part of this business, but I hope that in the future we will see Cena as a mid-carder or possibly main-eventer but eventually without a title or fighting for one...

 

[figure4]

^^Yea I think that will come sooner rather than later. He's been going non-stop for the last three-plus years; its time for him to take some time off. I think he should lose to Kennedy at SummerSlam and then take some time off, just stay out of the title scene for a while.

 

[Joker ' Ferreira]

^^Yea I think that will come sooner rather than later. He's been going non-stop for the last three-plus years; its time for him to take some time off. I think he should lose to Kennedy at SummerSlam and then take some time off, just stay out of the title scene for a while.

I agree with you, at mic skills he is just great but at this time that doesn't matter anymore, I think most of us are just tired of him with his title and now he is becaming a super-hero...