NFL Thread - 2009-10

[KillBill]

What in the world are the Panthers thinking? Since when was a player like Peppers worth only a 2nd round pick? Peppers is crazy if he thinks he can play outside in a 3-4 scheme. That means dropping back in coverage. He is a great athlete, so we will see. Honestly the Panthers should be considering trading him off for a much higher pick. Peppers is a great player, and if the Panthers are willing to trade him off for a 2nd round pick makes no sense. Try the Eagles, or even perhaps the Lions.

I said the same thing when Vrabel and Cassel were traded for that pick. So Its pretty much saying that they gave up Vrabel and Cassel for Peppers. I would love it. With all the offseason additions, if they got this guy, they'd be better than the 16-0 team, and maybe have the best defense they've ever had.

As far as Cutler, all I can say is get over it. Trade me trade me. Whaaa. If this guy is that emotionally unstable that whenever theres a rumor, he will be like that, who's gonna want him. What has he done yet? And as far as don't say everyone gets traded, not everyone, but damn close, and a hell of a lot better players than . Bret Favre got traded last year. So was Montana. And Unitas. And Namath. And they did a hell of a lot more for their team. Its not like they were gonna make him a back-up, they were gonna trade him so he'd have an opportunity somewhere else.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Let me start this off by saying that the most of the media is handling the Cutler situation horribly. Maybe even some of you feel that most of this hand gone down hill because Cutler allowed, but let me remind you who started it. The fact that they were willing to trade off the future of the team for some one year wonder makes no sense. Where is the job security? Don't give me this "everyone is traded" bull either. No, everyone isn't traded in the NFL.

It's the N.F.L, not the Mickey Mouse club. Everyone gets traded and released sooner or later. No one is safe, and especially not a drama case hot-headed mouth off like Jay Cuntler.

McDaniels knew about Cassel, because he helped him all of last year. And Cassel doesn't have the drama like Cutler has. Thus, it was a good option to attempt going for.

The media is covering it how they're suppose to cover it, with an unbiased attention to trying to play one side against the other, to gain even more story out of the issue.

Cutler is at blame for being a baby and thinking he's above being traded to begin with.

Cutler's new headcoach obviously would rather have Cassel, and understandably so. At the same time Cutler feels betrayed, and that is understandably so. McDaniels should have kept his mouth shut, and put more trust in the fact that Cutler will be able to adjust to the offensive scheme McDaniels has planned. Dont' blame the player people, as he was the one who was being dealt. Now Cutler is pissed, and it looks as though they will have to trade him off.

I agree that McDaniels should've attempted to build a bridge w/ Cutler before he burnt the foundation down. (so to speak) But at the same time, Cutler needed to understand it was something that could've happened. He's so high on the Mountains in Denver, that the lack of air has finally affected his brain.

Cutler is NOT a great QB. He's a cocky, arrogant QB who thinks he's the greatest thing ever. He's even said so, himself. Why would you want that on your team? Especially when last year, he threw 18 INTs and 25 TDs.

Sure, he helped to carry Denver to 8 wins (one being a fluke, at most) but all in all, he's also helped to give them some of those 8 losses. And most importantly, I can't get beyond his attitude.

What in the world are the Panthers thinking? Since when was a player like Peppers worth only a 2nd round pick? Peppers is crazy if he thinks he can play outside in a 3-4 scheme. That means dropping back in coverage. He is a great athlete, so we will see. Honestly the Panthers should be considering trading him off for a much higher pick. Peppers is a great player, and if the Panthers are willing to trade him off for a 2nd round pick makes no sense. Try the Eagles, or even perhaps the Lions.

This is typical Caro-fucking-lina. Peppers was tagged, which means he will make 16.8 (I believe) million this season. If he's to be traded, whatever team he wishes to go to, must give up TWO, 1st round picks. Unless Carolina agrees to an alternative deal.

He could easily go to Detroit for their 20th overall pick, or something like that, then pick up a 1st overall from Det. from next year's draft. But the flaw in this, is Peppers hasn't signed the franchise tag, and thus Carolina CAN NOT discuss trading him anywhere, until Pepper's and his agent first meet with 'said' teams and discuss whether he'd want to go there.

Enter New England. They hold a top 20 overall pick somewhere, and yet they're willing to give up instead the 34th (2nd round) overall pick. And somehow, this is actually being discussed.

SO Peppers went from being worth TWO first round picks, to an early 2nd round single pick. What the fuck?! Why?! All because he's threatening to sitout and not play? To fucking bad. This happens almost every year with one player or another.. has ANY ever held out to the point of not playing? Peppers will crumble and play, because if he doesn't it'll be fines a plenty or something like that.

I said the same thing when Vrabel and Cassel were traded for that pick. So Its pretty much saying that they gave up Vrabel and Cassel for Peppers. I would love it. With all the offseason additions, if they got this guy, they'd be better than the 16-0 team, and maybe have the best defense they've ever had.

Peppers can actually play 3-4, I bet. He used to play College Basketball, so he's a good jumper. And he is quicker than you'd think, which means he can likely cover a TE or a RB.

All in all, I hope the rumor squashes from Carolina saying this WON'T happen unless we get a 1st round pick is true though. Cause if we give him up for nothing more than a 34th (2nd round) pick.. that's fucked completely up.

If nothing else, trade him for Richard Seymour. A DE for a DE.

 

[BooCocky]

Will, I don't know a QB who isn't big headed. Jay Cutler is a future star and carried a mediocre team on his back last year. Nothing helped him, not Shannahans pathetic play calling. Cutler was the only reason they had a shot at making the playoffs.

McDaniels was a new coach trying to make something happen in a city that loves its Quarterback. The trade would have been stupid. Cutler is already a very good QB. While Cassell played for some of the best in New England last year. Cassell played behind a great line, a great offense with leaders, and he had a decent defense. Cutler had none of that. He was making plays because he is a natural athlete. He was born with that gift, and trading him would be idiotic, unless you get several picks in return. Denver isn't one player a way from being competitive in the whole AFC, they are several. Trading Cutler would be another step backwards. Cutler does have an attitude, but his game backs it up. Several Steelers weren't Big Ben fans, but that turned out alright....

 

[TwistofRKO]

It's a different scenario when it comes to QB though. They are expected to be the natural leader of the team (whether they have natural charisma or not) and take all the glory/blame. When you're a 1st round selection that definitely cannot be considered a bust you should be a little peeved, or at least I would be. I honestly don't blame Cutler for being pissed..

Do I think he should have a different attitude and approach towards meetings with the team? Absolutely, but I do understand getting pissed off.

As far as Peppers goes, when you realize you probably wont retain a player you get what you can. New England knew that holding Cassel wouldn't increase his value, as he isn't wine. Peppers is the same scenario. He is most likely out of a Panther uniform, and nobody would reasonably be willing to throw 2 1st rounders out there for him. But I do understand wanting more that the 34th overall, NE (in a completely rumored event) should have to fork over their 1st to complete the deal.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Will, I don't know a QB who isn't big headed.

Joe Flacco & Matt Ryan might be two good examples. Drew Brees & Phillip Rivers could possibly be two others.

The question should honestly be, how do you define "big head"? Cutler shot his mouth off about being "The greatest QB there ever was." None of the above four, nor several other current starters have ever shot their mouth off like that.

And if anyone has the right to try, Drew "I almost broke a major fucking record, with completely average players" Brees would have the option to. Yet he doesn't, at least not to cameras and the public-eye.

Jay Cutler is a future star and carried a mediocre team on his back last year.

You say that, like 8-8, having the Division wrapped up for literally some odd 3-4 weeks, and managing to completely blow making the playoffs.. is still "carrying" them to somewhere promising.

If Cutler was even anything above average, he wouldn't of thrown mistakes into the endzone in high profile games that could've clinched them a playoff spot.

Nothing helped him, not Shannahans pathetic play calling. Cutler was the only reason they had a shot at making the playoffs.

Yeah, cause it's not like having 4+ RBs go down with injuries, is because noone else was trying. Come on, Brian. Cutler did exactly what everyone else did. He played the game, and tried as hard as he could, but couldn't get the job done with what he had. Regardless.

McDaniels was a new coach trying to make something happen in a city that loves its Quarterback. The trade would have been stupid.

How would it have been stupid? Marshall is a good WR, and Eddie Royal was a great pick-up last year.

So bringing Cassel over, to be side by side with a Head Coach who coached him and knows him.. instead of trying to hash out an all new system, and relationship, with a hot head.. is anything but stupid.

Cutler is already a very good QB.

Pssh.. average, at best. He replaced Jake 'The Snake' Plummer. Thats not hardly saying much. And if he was even remotely anything decent, I'm sure he would've lead them to a playoff appearance by now. Especially out of THAT division.

While Cassell played for some of the best in New England last year.

You have absolutely zero faith in Cassel to be a good player. You just want to associate the reason he was even remotely anything, was due to his Coaches and his teammates carrying him. Brian, get over it.

Cassel was the guy on the field, the "leader" in the battle, who made the right decisions to help win games.

Cassell played behind a great line, a great offense with leaders, and he had a decent defense. Cutler had none of that.

Then why continue taking chances on someone who can't get the job done with what you have? Its time to move on, and find someone who CAN get the job done with what you have.

You do realize, that more often than not.. when you have an entire team, surrounded by ONE GUY who can't make everything click.. it's far easier to replace and get rid of that one guy, than attempt reformatting the entire team, right?

He was making plays because he is a natural athlete. He was born with that gift, and trading him would be idiotic, unless you get several picks in return.

Matt Cassel is like what, a whole year older? So what, it's not a huge difference. And regardless of who played with who, all that matters is who gets the job done. Cassel did more so. Cutler hasn't.

Denver isn't one player a way from being competitive in the whole AFC, they are several.

Yeah, and it should start at the top. Cutler's attitude, especially with him being a leader, needs to be addressed.

Trading Cutler would be another step backwards. Cutler does have an attitude, but his game backs it up. Several Steelers weren't Big Ben fans, but that turned out alright....

Not exactly. Depends on whether or not you needed to get rid of what could be considered a "cancer" to the team. And his game does most certainly NOT back up his mouth. "The Greatest QB of ALL TIME", Brian, that's what he says.

He's yet to even lead his team to the Playoffs. How is he even the most average QB of all time?!

As far as Peppers goes, when you realize you probably wont retain a player you get what you can. New England knew that holding Cassel wouldn't increase his value, as he isn't wine. Peppers is the same scenario. He is most likely out of a Panther uniform, and nobody would reasonably be willing to throw 2 1st rounders out there for him. But I do understand wanting more that the 34th overall, NE (in a completely rumored event) should have to fork over their 1st to complete the deal.

There is a slightly different issue with Cassel comparable to Peppers.

Peppers has proven he's one of the better DE's in the entire league. He's 2nd, only to Jason Taylor, in sacks since he's entered the league. New England did the best possible thing with Cassel, and that's built a valuable bridge with KC for later trades.

I hear everyone saying Carolina is backed into a corner, and they'll have to take what they're offered. Well, that's not actually true. We don't need anyone to come in this season, as the only starters we've lost from last year.. are..

Ken Lucas, D.J. Hackett and Jeremy Bridges. At most, Bridges was a back-up who filled in. Hackett would've been behind Smith, Mohammad & Jarrett this year.. and Lucas likely would've lost his starting position to Marhsall anyways. So we didn't lose unreplacable players.

Thus, Peppers can opt to sit his ass on a bench until like Wk. 10, and pay fines.. or he can play unhappy, and dominate so he can get an even better deal somewhere, next year.

Carolina CAN BE stupid and has been known to make dumb decisions. (ie. Trading Kris Jenkins to NYJ for a 2nd round pick) But I honestly don't think they'd give up Peppers, unless they had a big enough plan on replacing him, and getting something worthy enough in return.

When I read this whole Peppers to N.E, for a 2nd round pick only.. I thought to myself.. "The Franchise tag automatically makes him worth at least ONE 1st round pick, and every team out there would be willing to at least give up ONE." So if somehow N.E. gets Peppers for a mere 2nd round pick in the end, with nothing else what-so-ever.. then Carolina screwed themselves in my opinion. But they seemingly have squashed and dismissed these rumors, to begin with.

And the important part to that is.. Peppers and his Agent can talk to any team, about a possible deal. At the point of coming to this deal, they must go to Carolina and Carolina must agree. However, Carolina can not go to any team.. as Peppers hasn't yet signed the tag. So on that note, it was likely Pepper's agent or someone on that side of the fence (so to speak) running their mouth about how it's a done deal.. when infact, it's probably not anywhere close.

 

[TwistofRKO]

But why would you create a distraction rather than (hypothetically) reel the 23rd overall pick? That would be a bad move, IMO. You create an unhappy Peppers, you lose a chance to get him out of your conference, and you lose the opportunity replace your traded away 1st rd pick.

 

[truk24]

Look, if you don't get the fact that Cutler is a quality franchise QB you don't know "jack shit" about football. Bottom line is that in just 2 yrs as a starter, he has racked up over 8,000 yds, with 45 TD's to boot. That isn't too shabby. Yes, he has 32 interceptions to go along with that, but they have no running game or defense. Which makes them rely on the passing attack, or forces them to throw when they shouldn't. So, he naturally should have a high percentage of int's.

Cutler leaving the Bronco's will kill this team if they don't make it up at QB. The best option out there would be Cleveland. Cutler could be traded for Quinn. Honestly, the Browns should also have to give up a least a 2nd rd pick. Cutler is way better than an unproven Quinn. Not to talk bad about Quinn, as I think he will thrive in McDaniels offense. He may even play much better than Cutler, and I mean throw less interceptions.

 

[truk24]

Sounds like many of you have forgotten about Larry Johnson. People are speculating that he may be traded on draft day for a mid to late first round pick. One of the teams that may be asking for him could be the Eagles. They have a pick to spare, and he would compliment Westbrook well. The other team I think he could end up with is picks high in the the 2nd.

I know I said Johnson is 1st round, but I think early 2nd is just as good as late 1st pick. Seattle is a team that comes in mind, and so is Detroit. Lions have some picks on the 1st day, and LJ would be a nice fit in Detroit. Johnson could provide some balance, and he would compliment Smith well.

 

[BooCocky]

Joe Flacco & Matt Ryan might be two good examples. Drew Brees & Phillip Rivers could possibly be two others.

Wait, did you just say Rivers isnt big headed? The man is a pompous jackass who does nothing. Lets see his ass take a mediocre offense and win 8 games with it. Ray Lewis is there to keep Flacco calm.. But his mouth has warranted some kind of punishment

The question should honestly be, how do you define "big head"? Cutler shot his mouth off about being "The greatest QB there ever was." None of the above four, nor several other current starters have ever shot their mouth off like that.

Hey, if he keeps playing like he did last year, who knows what he can become. He is quick, great arm, and very strong.

You say that, like 8-8, having the Division wrapped up for literally some odd 3-4 weeks, and managing to completely blow making the playoffs.. is still "carrying" them to somewhere promising.

Look at his offense then relate that to how poorly he defense played. Denver would be picking in the top five if it wasn't for Jay Cutler

If Cutler was even anything above average, he wouldn't of thrown mistakes into the endzone in high profile games that could've clinched them a playoff spot.

Wanna know why you make mistakes like that? Because you can't run the football, leaving you with one option, and that option is passing.

Yeah, cause it's not like having 4+ RBs go down with injuries, is because noone else was trying. Come on, Brian. Cutler did exactly what everyone else did. He played the game, and tried as hard as he could, but couldn't get the job done with what he had. Regardless.

He played in sixteen games, with a shitty oline, a mediocre running game and several unproven receivers. What did he have? Late round draft picks as receivers? 4 runningbacks who aren't worth a roster spot on most teams? The only one on his team worth a lick is Brandon Marshall, and if you wanna talk about loud mouth stupidity look no further than Brandon Marshall.

How would it have been stupid? Marshall is a good WR, and Eddie Royal was a great pick-up last year.

Bringing in Cassell a man who sat behind Brady, has Moss, Welker, and a great Head Coach, it would have been stupid. Cutler was the whole entire offense. He doesnt have the line like Cassell. When you see Cassells true colors this year, you'll eventually realize it would have been a stupid trade.

Pssh.. average, at best. He replaced Jake 'The Snake' Plummer. Thats not hardly saying much. And if he was even remotely anything decent, I'm sure he would've lead them to a playoff appearance by now. Especially out of THAT division.

pssh, Plummer was garbage, and a turnover machine, something that Cutler isn't. Cutler was third in Passing Yards, was seventh in Passing TD's. If that is average, I have no idea what good is then.

You have absolutely zero faith in Cassel to be a good player. You just want to associate the reason he was even remotely anything, was due to his Coaches and his teammates carrying him. Brian, get over it.

Get over what? Playing in one of the most successful offenses ever? Yeah. having Randy Moss, arguably the best receiver since Jerry Rice, having a receiver in Welker, who finds yards after every coach, and playing behind an offensive line that rarely lets anyone touch the quarterback.

Cassel was the guy on the field, the "leader" in the battle, who made the right decisions to help win games.

If you are telling me that Matt Cassell is the leader you're full of shit. That whole entire team is filled with senior leadership. I dont remember seeing Cassell win games from behind. Cutler did. I believe several times.

Then why continue taking chances on someone who can't get the job done with what you have? Its time to move on, and find someone who CAN get the job done with what you have.

Something Cassell couldn't do either? Win games with a terrific offense. Cassell couldnt win games with a great offense, do you expect him to win games with a mediocre offensive line? A meh receiving core, and a pathetic defense who was second worse behind the lonely Lions.

You do realize, that more often than not.. when you have an entire team, surrounded by ONE GUY who can't make everything click.. it's far easier to replace and get rid of that one guy, than attempt reformatting the entire team, right?

Yeah, I realized Shannahans style doesnt work anymore, I realized you cant win games with a successful team. But look what he did with a mediocre team? He missed the playoffs by one game. Not his fault when your defense was giving up nearly 400 yards of total offense a game, and 28 points a game. Don't blame him for what his team is lacking.

Matt Cassel is like what, a whole year older? So what, it's not a huge difference. And regardless of who played with who, all that matters is who gets the job done. Cassel did more so. Cutler hasn't.

What, missed the playoffs with a good defense and an excellent offense? That isn't getting the job done. That is showing you weren't good enough to win enough games with that offense.

Yeah, and it should start at the top. Cutler's attitude, especially with him being a leader, needs to be addressed.

Not every QB is made out to be a leader. Leadership ability comes with age. Eli Manning didnt lead a team until 2007/2008. Cutler is still young.

Not exactly. Depends on whether or not you needed to get rid of what could be considered a "cancer" to the team. And his game does most certainly NOT back up his mouth. "The Greatest QB of ALL TIME", Brian, that's what he says.

thats great. He has a big ego. So be it. When you think and strive for the best, you can reach it.

He's yet to even lead his team to the Playoffs. How is he even the most average QB of all time?!

It took Peyton Manning years to win a fucking playoff game, and he can become arguably the greatest quarterback of all time. But hey, that's impossible because he has been on some shaky teams.

 

[TwistofRKO]

We aren't trading a 1st rounder for a 30-yr old RB with those miles.

If he's traded KC will have to accept a 3rd rounder at best.

 

[Christian Battlez]

Wait, did you just say Rivers isnt big headed? The man is a pompous jackass who does nothing. Lets see his ass take a mediocre offense and win 8 games with it.

Lets see what does Rivers have to throw to a good tight end in gates I'll give you that. But after that he had a washed up chambers and a broken down LT (at least last year anyway) without rivers they are a mediocre offense.

Ray Lewis is there to keep Flacco calm.. But his mouth has warranted some kind of punishment

I've never once heard Flacco run his mouth. Not even after the ravens were robbed by the officials in the second meeting between pittsburgh and baltimore.you know santonio holmes non existent td.

Hey, if he keeps playing like he did last year, who knows what he can become. He is quick, great arm, and very strong.

Great player love to have him in a viking uniform.

Look at his offense then relate that to how poorly he defense played. Denver would be picking in the top five if it wasn't for Jay Cutler

Agreed

Wanna know why you make mistakes like that? Because you can't run the football, leaving you with one option, and that option is passing.

Agreed as well. If all your tail backs are hurt and the defense knows you are going to pass you more likely to throw picks.

He played in sixteen games, with a shitty oline, a mediocre running game and several unproven receivers. What did he have? Late round draft picks as receivers? 4 runningbacks who aren't worth a roster spot on most teams? The only one on his team worth a lick is Brandon Marshall, and if you wanna talk about loud mouth stupidity look no further than Brandon Marshall.

Marshall is a loudmouth but a stud at WR. Eddie Royal and Stokely were both very good last year. Just because you were a late draft pick doesn't mean you suck. Runningbacks tend to excel in shanahans zone blocking scheme they should have been able to plug in any average joe and run the ball.

Bringing in Cassell a man who sat behind Brady, has Moss, Welker, and a great Head Coach, it would have been stupid. Cutler was the whole entire offense. He doesnt have the line like Cassell. When you see Cassells true colors this year, you'll eventually realize it would have been a stupid trade.

Wow your psychic and know exactly what kind of year Cassel will have. Can you do my fantasy draft for me brian?

pssh, Plummer was garbage, and a turnover machine, something that Cutler isn't. Cutler was third in Passing Yards, was seventh in Passing TD's. If that is average, I have no idea what good is then.

Cutler is great I'm not arguing with you on this.

Get over what? Playing in one of the most successful offenses ever? Yeah. having Randy Moss, arguably the best receiver since Jerry Rice, having a receiver in Welker, who finds yards after every coach, and playing behind an offensive line that rarely lets anyone touch the quarterback.

If you are telling me that Matt Cassell is the leader you're full of shit. That whole entire team is filled with senior leadership. I dont remember seeing Cassell win games from behind. Cutler did. I believe several times.

Um do you remember the OT game where the Jets were blowing out the pats and Cassel drove them back to win the game.

Something Cassell couldn't do either? Win games with a terrific offense. Cassell couldnt win games with a great offense, do you expect him to win games with a mediocre offensive line? A meh receiving core, and a pathetic defense who was second worse behind the lonely Lions.

The chiefs are actually bringing in some good pieces. They have Dorsey and Flowers from last year. They brought in Vrabel and Bobby Engram. I'm optimistic about the chiefs especially about Matt Cassel.

What, missed the playoffs with a good defense and an excellent offense? That isn't getting the job done. That is showing you weren't good enough to win enough games with that offense.

In a shitty playoff system where an 11-5 team misses the playoffs and an 8-8 team makes it.

 

[Pimpin]

Wait, did you just say Rivers isnt big headed? The man is a pompous jackass who does nothing. Lets see his ass take a mediocre offense and win 8 games with it. Ray Lewis is there to keep Flacco calm.. But his mouth has warranted some kind of punishment

I'll agree with you on Ray Lewis' mouth & yes Rivers did win 8 games with a shitty offense but he managed to make the playoffs & go farther than expected & I haven't heard Flacco say anything to get his ass in trouble.

Hey, if he keeps playing like he did last year, who knows what he can become. He is quick, great arm, and very strong.

Agreed.

 

[BooCocky]

Wait, Sd has some of the biggest receivers in the NFL. One of the best lines in the NFL and a good defense.

Saying that TD wasn't a td is bull fucking shit and you fucking know it. Look at the side view and you see it. There are several views that prove it was a TD. Besides it is there fault for giving up an eighty five yard scoring drive. It isn't even like we needed a FG. They gave up a fucking TD you a mediocre offense.

The shitty playoff system? Win your division. Don't fall backwards one year after you went 18-1. After the way they los to the Steelers they deserved to be nothing better than 11-5.

Dorsey wasn't great, Vrabel is just for senior leadership. Their secondary is shit. You need that to win games. And LJ can't stay out of trouble. Man has Pacman Jones syndrome.

 

[Minor League Brian]

Has anyone heard about this, and what are your thoughts?

Cutler to Redskins in three-way deal? Cassel to Denver?
The Philadelphia Inquirer reported the Washington Redskins are trying to land unhappy quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos. According to the report, the rumored deal would also include the Kansas City Chiefs.
According to the report, Cutler would end up in Washington, Matt Cassel in Denver and Jason Campbell in Kansas City.
According to The Inquirer, the 'Skins are denying they have any intention of dumping Campbell, which shows they were paying attention when the Broncos got themselves into this mess to begin with. New coach Josh McDaniels, formerly QB coach and offensive coordinator for the Patriots, actively tried to trade Cutler for Cassel last month, didn't succeed, then lied about it.
Source: Philly.com

 

[Christian Battlez]

Wait, Sd has some of the biggest receivers in the NFL. One of the best lines in the NFL and a good defense.

Big doesn't equal great

Saying that TD wasn't a td is bull fucking shit and you fucking know it. Look at the side view and you see it. There are several views that prove it was a TD. Besides it is there fault for giving up an eighty five yard scoring drive. It isn't even like we needed a FG. They gave up a fucking TD you a mediocre offense.

His feet were in but his hands nor the ball were in with it. Last I checked the ball had to cross the plain. your foot only matter if the ball crosses.

The shitty playoff system? Win your division. Don't fall backwards one year after you went 18-1. After the way they lost to the Steelers they deserved to be nothing better than 11-5.

They fell backwards because Brady got hurt and if he hadn't then you guys probably wouldn't have won the super bowl. Who cares if they lost to the steelers? the chargers lost to you guys too so I guess now every time a team loses to pittsburgh they don't deserve a playoff berth.

Dorsey wasn't great, Vrabel is just for senior leadership. Their secondary is shit. You need that to win games. And LJ can't stay out of trouble. Man has Pacman Jones syndrome.

Dorsey was a rookie he will improve so will flowers. If LJ sucks it up then they will be fine especially in the shit afc west.

 

[BooCocky]

[QUOTE="The Olympic Hero" Christian Battlez;944390]Big doesn't equal great[/QUOTE]Vincent Jackson averaged 18.6 yards a catch. Had 7 touchdowns and 7 receptions of 40 or more yards. He also had over a 1000 receiving yards. Chambers averaged 14 yards a reception and Antonio Gates had 700 yards receiving. If you don't think that is a great group of receivers then you're on something, and it isnt anything good.

His feet were in but his hands nor the ball were in with it. Last I checked the ball had to cross the plain. your foot only matter if the ball crosses.

what the fuck dont you understand? they overturned the fucking play. The Refs must've seen something. Here open your eyes and watch this video
[youtube]6qNwQZj2348[/youtube]

Let me guess, that video is rigged?

They fell backwards because Brady got hurt and if he hadn't then you guys probably wouldn't have won the super bowl. Who cares if they lost to the steelers? the chargers lost to you guys too so I guess now every time a team loses to pittsburgh they don't deserve a playoff berth.

They fell backwards because Cassell wasn't good enough to win games when it mattered with a great offense and a great HC. Don't blame an offense that showed up for Cassell fucking blunders. Look at the games they lost and look at his stats. They aren't the greatest.

Dorsey was a rookie he will improve so will flowers. If LJ sucks it up then they will be fine especially in the shit afc west.

I know Dorsey was a rookie but you're making it sound like he blew the roof off of things last year. LJ is a good running back when he stays out of trouble and healthy, and he can't seem to do both.

 

[Christian Battlez]

Vincent Jackson averaged 18.6 yards a catch. Had 7 touchdowns and 7 receptions of 40 or more yards. He also had over a 1000 receiving yards. Chambers averaged 14 yards a reception and Antonio Gates had 700 yards receiving. If you don't think that is a great group of receivers then you're on something, and it isnt anything good.

you just dont hear about the chargers receivers much. but dont take anything away from rivers. He is a great QB.

what the fuck dont you understand? they overturned the fucking play. The Refs must've seen something. Here open your eyes and watch this video
[youtube]6qNwQZj2348[/youtube]

Let me guess, that video is rigged?

Im gonna be honest with you and not bullshit you. Until this video I thought he didnt catch it. It really didnt look like it at first. I've seen tons of replays but never one this good. He caught the ball. I apologize.

They fell backwards because Cassell wasn't good enough to win games when it mattered with a great offense and a great HC. Don't blame an offense that showed up for Cassell fucking blunders. Look at the games they lost and look at his stats. They aren't the greatest.

you make it sound like he is gonna be a bigger bust than larry brown.Just wait and see if he pans out or not. I think the chiefs have plenty of room for optimism with Cassel. If I were a chiefs fan I'd be thrilled right now.

I know Dorsey was a rookie but you're making it sound like he blew the roof off of things last year. LJ is a good running back when he stays out of trouble and healthy, and he can't seem to do both.

No thats not what I meant and if it came off that way then sorry. But I think Dorsey is gonna have a breakout year this year. I live in the meat of the SEC Florida so I've seen my fair share of Dorsey. You remember how Polamalu didn't even play his rookie year. Look how he panned out. Agreed on LJ.

 

[BooCocky]

[QUOTE="The Olympic Hero" Christian Battlez;945600]you just dont hear about the chargers receivers much. but dont take anything away from rivers. He is a great QB.[/QUOTE]
I am not talking anything away from Rivers. This all started when Will said he didnt have an attitude problem. Which is one of the funniest things I have ever read because he is a pompous jackass.

Im gonna be honest with you and not bullshit you. Until this video I thought he didnt catch it. It really didnt look like it at first. I've seen tons of replays but never one this good. He caught the ball. I apologize.

there is an even better video, but I picked that one because It says " How's that for video proof, Jackass"

you make it sound like he is gonna be a bigger bust than larry brown.Just wait and see if he pans out or not. I think the chiefs have plenty of room for optimism with Cassel. If I were a chiefs fan I'd be thrilled right now.

WTF. Cassell played one year under the same team who was in the SB the year before. He sat behind Brady for nearly four years and when he had his he became overrated, putting up big numbers against shitty teams.

No thats not what I meant and if it came off that way then sorry. But I think Dorsey is gonna have a breakout year this year. I live in the meat of the SEC Florida so I've seen my fair share of Dorsey. You remember how Polamalu didn't even play his rookie year. Look how he panned out. Agreed on LJ.

I've seen Dorsey play several times, and when healthy he is very good. But when you play defensive Tackle you need help on the outside so they can choose which player(s) to double team. Polamalu went to USC, and I can't recall many freshman who go out there and start right away. I could be wrong, but USC is very good at reloading year after year.

 

[truk24]

True, I forgot how old LJ was, and I don't think the Lions would want to risk that. As of now it looks as though Tony wants out of KC. They could get rid of him, and LJ to a team who could use both. At best they can get picks for the two of them from seperate teams. They could walk away with two 3rd round picks. Johnson is worth a mid 3rd round pick. Tony could be worth a little higher somewhere in the top 5 of the 3rd round. The Browns could use a player like Tony, or even the Bengals.

Moving on now. With all this talk of the tackles, Stafford/Sanchez, and LB's in this year's upcoming draft, we haven't heard much of the receiving group. There are plenty of solid players at the wideout position. This may be one of the stronger wideout drafts in a long time. The major question is Michael Crabtree. He "was" rated the top WR in this draft, and now it seems as though all talk of him has gone away, sort of.

His height was a myth, and probably to his speed. Many are still not sure what his real 40 yd dash is. Not to take anything away from Crabtree because he is a TD machine. He isn't 6'3, and he doesn't have to be. Crabtree appears to have blazing speed, so I don't need to see or read about his 40 time at the nfl combine. From what I have seen on television, he is fast enough. However there has been a bit of concern from many scouts, and naturally so.

Is Crabtree going top 5? Not only two months ago he was a top 5 pick. Where is he at now? I'm not going to say he isn't worth it at such a high pick, even with the recent foot surgery. Crabtree should be a great investment for any team that drafts him. Jerry Rice thinks so to, as he is the one who is mentoring Crabtree. That fact that Rice is there means something, and it says a ton about his character.

It wouldn't surprise me if Crabtree did fall. In fact it would make sense. On paper according to the combine drills, and pro days other WR's appear to be better, or projected to be better. Many of them are bigger, stronger, faster, greater hands, and better vertical as well. Heyward-Bay, Maclin, Harvin, Britt, etc... Don't forget also about all the athletes at the other positions. Receivers aren't always the "game breaker". They help compliment the offense, and the QB.

Not to say that WR's haven't made any impact in the game today. It's just that most aren't expected to change a team like a QB or RB. Moss nor Rice were top 5 picks, and neither was Owens. Those are some great WR's, as opposed to Keyshwan Johnson who was the 1st pick overall by the Jets. Johnson isn't on the same level as either of those 3 men. In other words Michael Crabtree could fall, and fall to a team that could use him.

Look at it like this. Crabtree falls late 1st rd. He lands with either Colts, Ravens, or Eagles. Any one of those teams would love to land Crabtree. I can't imagine too many teams taking such a huge risk on him so very high. Be sure that I won't be surprised if he falls as far as an early 2nd rd pick. Guess we will just have to wait, and see.

It appears as though now Josh McDaniels wants to make nice with Cutler. Honestly I'm getting tired off all this bull shit. Just get over it Denver, Cutler doesn't want to play at mile high anymore. I say trade his ass already, and move on. This is football, not some soap opera.

What in the hell is going on in Cleveland? Apparently everyone excepy D'Qwell Jackson, and Joe Thomas are trade worthy. WTF? Is someone smloking crack in Cleveland? The Browns are apparently willing to listen on trading either Quinn, or Anderson, and even both.

Right now I think the most worthy pick in the draft right now would be a top tier RB. It seems as though this position has taken a backseat this year. Not so much has been said about the RB class this year. Chris Wells from Ohio St is so under the radar he should be sent overseas to fight wars. No one has given this man any credit at all. He is a stellar RB, who could land to the right team. He will be a nominee for ROTY come this NFL season, you mark my words. My gut tells me he will land in Philly if he falls, but probably go earlier to a team like the Jets.

 

[truk24]

The NFL season is going to be very exciting. Right now there is still talk of of a possible 3-way trade between Cleveland, Jets, and Denver. This would mean that Quinn would end up in Denver, Cutler goes to the Jets, and the Browns receive both 1st round picks leaving them with 3 in the first round.

Looking in to this season I would have to say that there are two teams that could make a name for themselves. One of those teams being the Falcons, and the other being Baltimore. Both Flacco, and Ryan have to prove their rookie starts weren't luck. These two teams will be back in the playoffs again.

Has the running back become stale? It doesn't seem like there is as many great RB's today as there was 10 years ago? I realize they are getting more 1000 rushers, but that is part of gameplan, and coaching not just athletes. Guys like LT are old now, and look at who is gone. Edge James will not have much time left, and the Bus Jerome Bettis been retired. Marshall has also been gone to retirement. Priest Holmes is done. Portis is still kicking, and trying to get himself a head in the HOF.

Yes, we still have A. Peterson, and guys like Brandon Jacobs. Look at what happened with Reggie Bush. Yes, Chris Johonson looked great for the Titans, and Matt Forte is promising. They are all young, and could be the next wave of great RB's. One RB that I would like to throw out is Rashaad Mendenhall from the Steelers. He missed most of last season, but he is going to have a breakout season this year.

Who do you think by the end of regular season will have the most touchdown passes out of these QB's Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler, Brady Quinn, and Carson Palmer? I'm going with Palmer.

 

[Pimpin]

The NFL season is going to be very exciting. Right now there is still talk of of a possible 3-way trade between Cleveland, Jets, and Denver. This would mean that Quinn would end up in Denver, Cutler goes to the Jets, and the Browns receive both 1st round picks leaving them with 3 in the first round.

Looking in to this season I would have to say that there are two teams that could make a name for themselves. One of those teams being the Falcons, and the other being Baltimore. Both Flacco, and Ryan have to prove their rookie starts weren't luck. These two teams will be back in the playoffs again.

Has the running back become stale? It doesn't seem like there is as many great RB's today as there was 10 years ago? I realize they are getting more 1000 rushers, but that is part of gameplan, and coaching not just athletes. Guys like LT are old now, and look at who is gone. Edge James will not have much time left, and the Bus Jerome Bettis been retired. Marshall has also been gone to retirement. Priest Holmes is done. Portis is still kicking, and trying to get himself a head in the HOF.

Yes, we still have A. Peterson, and guys like Brandon Jacobs. Look at what happened with Reggie Bush. Yes, Chris Johonson looked great for the Titans, and Matt Forte is promising. They are all young, and could be the next wave of great RB's. One RB that I would like to throw out is Rashaad Mendenhall from the Steelers. He missed most of last season, but he is going to have a breakout season this year.

Who do you think by the end of regular season will have the most touchdown passes out of these QB's Matt Cassel, Jay Cutler, Brady Quinn, and Carson Palmer? I'm going with Palmer.

Personally if I was the Browns I would trade Derek Anderson instead of Brady Quinn cause Quinn could be a guy that they can build around for years where as Derek Anderson did have 1 good season but personally the Cleveland fans wanna chop off his head & by possibly trading away Quinn, that's exactly what's gonna happen to him.

I think the reason why we don't see many great running backs anymore is that the majority of teams have a two-back system(sometimes a three-back system) & they split the carries between those backs so that the lead guy doesn't get the wear & tear on him as the years go on like the running backs from back in the day did.

I think that Carson Palmer if healthy will throw the most touchdowns out of those QB's that you mentioned.

 

[BooCocky]

hmm Jay Cutler to Chicago. What an awesome trade for Chicago, Cutler is a beast and will only get better. He will improve that offense and they should be the favorites within their respective division. Well, now I need to see where they go draft day before labeling them as an elite NFL team. They have some questions, defense is getting old and they are now in a position to win now.

Denver on the other hand is dumb, franchise Qb is gone, and they get a bunch of draft picks and a game managing QB. They will be lucky to win 5 games this year. Well, better luck next year.

Woo the NFL draft is less than a month away...

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Denver on the other hand is dumb, franchise Qb is gone, and they get a bunch of draft picks and a game managing QB. They will be lucky to win 5 games this year. Well, better luck next year.

Woo the NFL draft is less than a month away...

How is Denver dumb? Just because a young, talented QB gets traded away doesn't make a team "dumb". Denver tried keeping him, and Cutler wanted no part of it all because he got his feelings hurt. It's a business, and Cutler was immature about that part of it.

Furthermore, how is picking up two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and a solid back-up QB.. a dumb decision? I think your views on Cutler are giving him way too much credit. I mean, let's take a look at this.. Cutler hasn't even lead his team to a Playoff game.. much less, a winning record. They finished 9-7, at most, the year Cutler came in half-way through.. but he didn't lead them to that entire record. So on that note, you just picked up two #1's, a #3 and a back-up QB that's lead an even more pathetic offense to a Playoff.. for a cocky, full of himself, arrogant little prick.

Yeah, Brian, Denver is really dumb.

 

[BooCocky]

Yeah because the QBs in this draft proved a lot. Stafford is all potential and no results and Matt has one year under his belt. Denver didn't want him to stay, if they did fuck face Mcdaniels wouldn't have put him on the block.

Orton benefitted from a good defense. Cutler didn't. Cutler is a star, and Orton isn't. Why did the Bears wanna get rid of him? Because Cutler is the real fucking deal.

 

[truk24]

I woulnd't say Denver is dumb, but Josh McDaniels is. The man put his foot in his mouth when he really didn't have to. Cutler can't win every game people, but if anything the defense failed in Denver. Don't blame Cutler, as he is not the one to blame. His last two seasons have been stellar to say the least, as he is coming in to his 4th year. Yes, Cutler had a right to leave, but no one told Josh that he could just come in, and change the face of the offense, or did they?

Now the Broncos are stuck with Kyle Orton. I'm not taking anything away from Kyle, but this Denver defense isn't the Bear defense. The Broncos had one of the worst defenses in the league last season. Orton may not be to gun sling games to victory. That is something we will just have to wait, and see. At this point the Broncos should be looking to grab a hot WR free agent like Plaxico Burress. Orton needs as many weapons as he can get.

I don't know why so many people are so crazy over Mark Sanchez. He could be a solid QB in the future, but he is no Ryan, or Flacco. None of those top 8 picks have solid defenses. Flacco won games due to defense, and Ryan had a strong rushing attack. Something most teams at the top also don't have. If he should fall to a team that actually has a solid defense, and is in need of a franchise QB like Baltimore last year Sanchez is the man.

There are only two teams in the first round that I think Sanchez would have early success with. First, the Jets because they are looking to have a top tier defense with Rex Ryan as their coach. He was a genius in Baltimore, and I'm sure we will see a dominant Jets defense. The next team would be Tampa Bay. They can win games with their defense, and they do have a solid rushing attack. The Bucs are the best place for him to go anywhere else will take some time, or he'll end up as a bust.