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7-6 overall, and 5 games starting a true freshman QB (who they broke his redshirt) that a week before his first start he was on the scout team, yeah, I'd actually say the fact that going 7-6 is a pretty decent job by him all things considered.They didn't cut the cord too early. He was given 4 years to make them into a contender in the ACC. This year was his first year with all of his players and they went 7-6. Average.
He was given four years to fix them. That's 4 recruiting classes and all he can do at Miami is 7-6?
because you made the stupid and incorrect correlation to Charlie Weis.And if you aren't saying that he didn't need to get fired, there's no reason to argue.
No, I said that all things considered, Weis was not as successful as you make him out to be, and that Shannon was more successful then you make him out to be.I'm not arguing that Weis shouldn't have been fired. But you said he had less success then Shannon, which is completely false.
What do other coaches success have to do with Randy Shannon? NOT A FUCKING THING. Besides, Guys like Saban, Petrino, and others took over schools in about 94320987394856 times better shape then Miami was.I'm giving you examples of coaches who've done much better then Shannon has since he was hired. I never said they were going to go to Miami. But these are highers that have done much better jobs during the same time.
It still means fuck all. It's not a BCS bowl. BCS Bowls mean something. All other Bowls mean MUCH less.First of all, the Capital One Bowl is considered as one of (along with the Cotton Bowl) the biggest non BCS-Bowls. And he would've takent this team to a BCS bowl, but because of a stupid rule OSU and Wisconsin got in.
Yeah, the ACC is better then you give it credit for, and the Big Ten showed how good they are today. They got fucking spanked, because they're oh so much better.And why are you only taking their first 3 years? They've both been there for four. And what has Shannon done? 28-22, 16-16 in the poor ACC. Dantonio? 33-18, 20-12 in the Big Ten, with a Big 10 Championship and a bowl berth each year. Why you are only taking 3 years (which excludes Dantonio's best year) is beyond me.
No, what I do think is that Shannon got shafted somewhat, and that Dantonio isn't this savior that you make him out to be.You're fucking stupid if you think Shannon is a better coach then Dantonio. And Shannon has a lot more of an opportunity to get better players since Miami's in sunny florida, while MSU plays in freezing Michigan.
Regressed thanks to a fucking scout team QB, yeah. There was little to no regression at Miami.I said it was about a draw, although Davis hasn't regressed at UNC like Shannon did this year.
No question. I never said anything bad about Harbaugh, cause there's nothing bad to say about him. He's been excellent at Stanford.He's won at a place that has no tradition, has higher expectations (academically speaking) and has fielded poor teams many years before Harbaugh got there. I'm not saying he'd go to Miami, but these are all guys that were hired at the same time as Shannon and have done much better jobs then what he did.
So because other guys have had more success means he's shit? No, what that means is that the other schools have had success. Yes, Alabama's been better then Miami, as has Arkansas, Stanford, and Michigan State. What that has to do with Randy Shannon is FUCKING NOTHING.That's saying that Shannon wasn't the right hire because there's many guys around the country that have been doing much better then him during the same timeframe.
I'm not saying he should be surprised, what I'm saying is that they've been better then you're giving them credit for, and that he got shafted, because he did what they brought him in to do (clean up the program), and they were moderately successful given the circumstances (shit QB play).Shannon isn't a great coach. If he can get all of these great recruits that you're bragging about, he should be able to translate that into a winner. 7-6 isn't a winner. That's an average football team with better then average talent. Shannon shouldn't be surprised he got canned with the results that he brought.
No, better coaching and convicts playing ball does cut it. We figured that out when they fired Shannon.Yet on the field they're about equal in wins and losses. Weis was a bad coach, no doubt. But Randy Shannon was an average at best coach, and average isn't going to cut it at Miami.
You're making comparisons that have nothing to do with Miami. You bringing up said coaches means that you think they would have been a better fit for Miami, which is bullshit.Did I say they wanted the job? No. But every single one of those hires has done much better jobs on the field in the same amount of time, showing the failures of Shannon as a head coach.
How do you know he's better then Shannon? Maybe he goes 3-9 at Miami? You don't know, unless you have a time machine. Just because a guy was successful at small shit schools doesn't mean they'd be successful at major institutions.He's at least proven he can win somewhere before he was hired. Miami was Shannons first job as HC and he was average. Golden took a really, really bad Temple team and got them to the MAC Championship and had another 8-4 season this year. He's a better coach then Shannon for sure.
Randy Shannon might have been the best guy available at the time. Again, comparing schools like Alabama, Michigan State, Arkansas, and Stanford to Miami isn't fair to Miami. They had exponentially better talent and a more prestigious conference (not necessarily better). Of course they'd be better.It shows that Miami missed on their head coaching hire when all of these guys around the country are winning and they are stuck in the middle of the pack in the ACC. Why keep a guy that's gonna give you 7-5 every year?
7-5 is average. 7-5 with a shit QB and a true freshman who was redshirting this year that was on the Scout Team until he was named starter is pretty damn decent.7-5 is average. This is fucking MIAMI. If this was Baylor or Louisville or NC State that'd be good, but at Miami 7-5 is bad. Miami clearly regressed this year and he couldn't beat the teams he needed to (rivals) consistently.
nothing worse then assuming that Nick Saban would have gone to Miami instead of the SEC like you did by simply comparing Bama hiring Saban to Miami hiring Shannon.You're making stupid-ass blind assumptions.
Yes, he wasn't extremely successful on the field. We know that. We also know that he was very successful off of it, and that some of his failings on the field can (this year) be attributed to shit QB play). Next year they will likely be starting Morris (or a new kid), and they will have more success. It won't necessarily be because of the coach, rather because of the competent QB play.Miami is a FOOTBALL TEAM. Yes, they're glad that he cleaned up their image, but they gave him his contract so that he could win them football games and make them money by playing in big bowls. If you can't win often at Miami, like they expect you to, you shouldn't stay. Why in their right mind should they keep a guy that can't win them games, which is what a COACH is supposed to do?
So Dantonio isn't Jesus? Wow.And again, please go out and get some of these speed guys Dantonio. It's clear your guys can't stay up to par with Bamas guys. It's embarassing.
TCU is about to win the Rose Bowl, knocking off another big conference champion.
But remember, they wouldn't have been competitive in a national championship game because they play in a weak conference so they should never get a shot.
Can't wait to hear Colin Cowherd on Monday. He went on for weeks about how TCU was going to get massacred.
Colin Cowherd is a fucking ******, I don't think he has ever picked a game right in his life
Well why should they? They played perfectly, knocked off the #5 team in the country twice including once on the road in a straight up blowout and once in a neutral site game and have lost once in two years. Why in the hell should they get a first place vote? I mean they play in a non-BCS conference. UCONN and Virginia Tech. That's what it's all about baby.
Yea youre right, they should probably drop in the polls
Yea youre right, they should probably drop in the polls