NCAA Bowl Week 2010

[klunderbunker]

There goes the second QB.

 

[Megatron]

Just get this game over with. I hate to see these guys get dominated as bad as they've been.

 

[BooCocky]

Wisconsin with a nice fake punt...

 

[Stormtrooper]

They didn't cut the cord too early. He was given 4 years to make them into a contender in the ACC. This year was his first year with all of his players and they went 7-6. Average.


He was given four years to fix them. That's 4 recruiting classes and all he can do at Miami is 7-6?

7-6 overall, and 5 games starting a true freshman QB (who they broke his redshirt) that a week before his first start he was on the scout team, yeah, I'd actually say the fact that going 7-6 is a pretty decent job by him all things considered.

And if you aren't saying that he didn't need to get fired, there's no reason to argue.

because you made the stupid and incorrect correlation to Charlie Weis.

I'm not arguing that Weis shouldn't have been fired. But you said he had less success then Shannon, which is completely false.

No, I said that all things considered, Weis was not as successful as you make him out to be, and that Shannon was more successful then you make him out to be.

I'm giving you examples of coaches who've done much better then Shannon has since he was hired. I never said they were going to go to Miami. But these are highers that have done much better jobs during the same time.

What do other coaches success have to do with Randy Shannon? NOT A FUCKING THING. Besides, Guys like Saban, Petrino, and others took over schools in about 94320987394856 times better shape then Miami was.

First of all, the Capital One Bowl is considered as one of (along with the Cotton Bowl) the biggest non BCS-Bowls. And he would've takent this team to a BCS bowl, but because of a stupid rule OSU and Wisconsin got in.

It still means fuck all. It's not a BCS bowl. BCS Bowls mean something. All other Bowls mean MUCH less.

And why are you only taking their first 3 years? They've both been there for four. And what has Shannon done? 28-22, 16-16 in the poor ACC. Dantonio? 33-18, 20-12 in the Big Ten, with a Big 10 Championship and a bowl berth each year. Why you are only taking 3 years (which excludes Dantonio's best year) is beyond me.

Yeah, the ACC is better then you give it credit for, and the Big Ten showed how good they are today. They got fucking spanked, because they're oh so much better.

Dantonio didn't even coach all season. Remember, he got so fucking lucky against Notre Dame with a fake fucking field goal in OT that he had a fucking heart attack, and missed a few games?

You're fucking stupid if you think Shannon is a better coach then Dantonio. And Shannon has a lot more of an opportunity to get better players since Miami's in sunny florida, while MSU plays in freezing Michigan.

No, what I do think is that Shannon got shafted somewhat, and that Dantonio isn't this savior that you make him out to be.

I said it was about a draw, although Davis hasn't regressed at UNC like Shannon did this year.

Regressed thanks to a fucking scout team QB, yeah. There was little to no regression at Miami.

He's won at a place that has no tradition, has higher expectations (academically speaking) and has fielded poor teams many years before Harbaugh got there. I'm not saying he'd go to Miami, but these are all guys that were hired at the same time as Shannon and have done much better jobs then what he did.

No question. I never said anything bad about Harbaugh, cause there's nothing bad to say about him. He's been excellent at Stanford.

That's saying that Shannon wasn't the right hire because there's many guys around the country that have been doing much better then him during the same timeframe.

So because other guys have had more success means he's shit? No, what that means is that the other schools have had success. Yes, Alabama's been better then Miami, as has Arkansas, Stanford, and Michigan State. What that has to do with Randy Shannon is FUCKING NOTHING.

Shannon isn't a great coach. If he can get all of these great recruits that you're bragging about, he should be able to translate that into a winner. 7-6 isn't a winner. That's an average football team with better then average talent. Shannon shouldn't be surprised he got canned with the results that he brought.

I'm not saying he should be surprised, what I'm saying is that they've been better then you're giving them credit for, and that he got shafted, because he did what they brought him in to do (clean up the program), and they were moderately successful given the circumstances (shit QB play).

Yet on the field they're about equal in wins and losses. Weis was a bad coach, no doubt. But Randy Shannon was an average at best coach, and average isn't going to cut it at Miami.

No, better coaching and convicts playing ball does cut it. We figured that out when they fired Shannon.

Did I say they wanted the job? No. But every single one of those hires has done much better jobs on the field in the same amount of time, showing the failures of Shannon as a head coach.

You're making comparisons that have nothing to do with Miami. You bringing up said coaches means that you think they would have been a better fit for Miami, which is bullshit.

He's at least proven he can win somewhere before he was hired. Miami was Shannons first job as HC and he was average. Golden took a really, really bad Temple team and got them to the MAC Championship and had another 8-4 season this year. He's a better coach then Shannon for sure.

How do you know he's better then Shannon? Maybe he goes 3-9 at Miami? You don't know, unless you have a time machine. Just because a guy was successful at small shit schools doesn't mean they'd be successful at major institutions.

It shows that Miami missed on their head coaching hire when all of these guys around the country are winning and they are stuck in the middle of the pack in the ACC. Why keep a guy that's gonna give you 7-5 every year?

Randy Shannon might have been the best guy available at the time. Again, comparing schools like Alabama, Michigan State, Arkansas, and Stanford to Miami isn't fair to Miami. They had exponentially better talent and a more prestigious conference (not necessarily better). Of course they'd be better.

7-5 is average. This is fucking MIAMI. If this was Baylor or Louisville or NC State that'd be good, but at Miami 7-5 is bad. Miami clearly regressed this year and he couldn't beat the teams he needed to (rivals) consistently.

7-5 is average. 7-5 with a shit QB and a true freshman who was redshirting this year that was on the Scout Team until he was named starter is pretty damn decent.

You're making stupid-ass blind assumptions.

nothing worse then assuming that Nick Saban would have gone to Miami instead of the SEC like you did by simply comparing Bama hiring Saban to Miami hiring Shannon.

Miami is a FOOTBALL TEAM. Yes, they're glad that he cleaned up their image, but they gave him his contract so that he could win them football games and make them money by playing in big bowls. If you can't win often at Miami, like they expect you to, you shouldn't stay. Why in their right mind should they keep a guy that can't win them games, which is what a COACH is supposed to do?

Yes, he wasn't extremely successful on the field. We know that. We also know that he was very successful off of it, and that some of his failings on the field can (this year) be attributed to shit QB play). Next year they will likely be starting Morris (or a new kid), and they will have more success. It won't necessarily be because of the coach, rather because of the competent QB play.

And again, please go out and get some of these speed guys Dantonio. It's clear your guys can't stay up to par with Bamas guys. It's embarassing.

So Dantonio isn't Jesus? Wow.

None of the Big 11 teams have speed. Hence why they suck against teams that do have speed. But no, the Big 11 is the greatest conference in the country....

 

[Megatron]

Way to make some more blind assumptions ST. Good job.

Fact of the matter is, Shannon wasn't a great coach. Average, at best. And clearly, the people that matter (meaning not you) sided with me. The guy deserved to get canned for being average at a prestigious program. No questions about it.

 

[klunderbunker]

TCU is about to win the Rose Bowl, knocking off another big conference champion.

But remember, they wouldn't have been competitive in a national championship game because they play in a weak conference so they should never get a shot.

 

[brahma62]

Down goes another BCS team to a Non AQ, but there are still going to be people out there saying that Non AQ's don't belong. Pitiful

 

[brahma62]

TCU is about to win the Rose Bowl, knocking off another big conference champion.

But remember, they wouldn't have been competitive in a national championship game because they play in a weak conference so they should never get a shot.

Remember the players in the Non AQ programs dont measure up to BCS conference teams. Like how Wisconsin was supposed to blow back TCU's dline because they were 50 pounds heavier and 3 inches taller. But the "writers" still will say they stand no chance against Oregon or Auburn. You know because they play a weak schedule

 

[justinsayne]

Can't beleive we lost by 2 fucking pts., oh well UW had a good year, congrats to TCU they played a good game and proved to be a tougher opponent than pretty much everyone including me thought

 

[klunderbunker]

Can't wait to hear Colin Cowherd on Monday. He went on for weeks about how TCU was going to get massacred.

 

[brahma62]

I wonder if TCU will get any first place votes in the final poll

 

[klunderbunker]

Well why should they? They played perfectly, knocked off the #5 team in the country twice including once on the road in a straight up blowout and once in a neutral site game and have lost once in two years. Why in the hell should they get a first place vote? I mean they play in a non-BCS conference. UCONN and Virginia Tech. That's what it's all about baby.

 

[justinsayne]

Can't wait to hear Colin Cowherd on Monday. He went on for weeks about how TCU was going to get massacred.

Colin Cowherd is a fucking ******, I don't think he has ever picked a game right in his life

 

[klunderbunker]

Colin Cowherd is a fucking ******, I don't think he has ever picked a game right in his life

He makes some interesting points, and then stuff like this happens. Another great example of a guy that says the little teams have no point in being here, and then they beat the big dogs.

Now it's time for the Fiesta Bowl where UCONN gets to go because Boise State missed a field goal which apparently is enough to knock them out of the BCS while an 8-4 team is in a major bowl. Don't you just love the NCAA?

 

[brahma62]

Well why should they? They played perfectly, knocked off the #5 team in the country twice including once on the road in a straight up blowout and once in a neutral site game and have lost once in two years. Why in the hell should they get a first place vote? I mean they play in a non-BCS conference. UCONN and Virginia Tech. That's what it's all about baby.

Yea youre right, they should probably drop in the polls

 

[klunderbunker]

Yea youre right, they should probably drop in the polls

My favorite response ever from the NCAA when Utah got annihilated: Apparently we had them ranked far too high so this win doesn't really imply anything. TCU dropped in the polls that weekend while Auburn went up after beating Tennessee-Chattanooga.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yea youre right, they should probably drop in the polls

My favorite response ever from the NCAA when Utah got annihilated: Apparently we had them ranked far too high so this win doesn't really imply anything. TCU dropped in the polls that weekend while Auburn went up after beating Tennessee-Chattanooga.

 

[brahma62]

Oh yea and remember the fact that TCU beat Utah by a bigger margin that Auburn beat Chatanooga, you know i guess a 1-AA school has more merit than a non-AQ

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah of course. So they were wrong about that and wrong about VT being rated that high early in the season, but they're right about everything else I suppose.

 

[brahma62]

the NCAA is NEVER wrong...ever

 

[Megatron]

While TCU does deserve to be applauded for what they did, them complaining about non getting a title shot would be wasted oxygen. The BCS is set around the Big 6, and since there were 2 undefeated teams from the Big 6, there was no chance that they were going to be put in. However, congrats to them. Winning the Rose Bowl is a nice consolation prize.

 

[klunderbunker]

And that's my issue with it: they were perfect. They started the season ranked what, 5th? And no matter what they did, they never had a fair chance to play for the title.

 

[brahma62]

That's the problem though, it shouldn't be based around just the Big 6. The NCAA is always talking about competition and trying to crack down on "illegal" and wrong activities, like the Ohio St. issue, but yet they have some "authortity" i guess as to say who and who can't play for a NC based on their conference and schedule and taking the big BCS bowl money from non-AQ schools... Seems like the NCAA should be cracking down on themselves

But yea, congrats to TCU

 

[Megatron]

Yes, I agree. They should only be forced to beat the teams on their schedule, and if they run the table, which they did, they should get a shot. Punishing them for something that is out of their control (other teams losing that they don't play) is idiotic.

 

[justinsayne]

I honestly don't give a shit about the NCAA, only college team I care about at all is Wisconsin, and that's because I grew up in Badger Land, the whole BCS/Bowl system is fucked, but I honestly don't see them fixing it anytime soon, they rake in huge money with the system as is, and stand to lose a shit load of money if they change it to something more like a tournament setting, it's never gonna be perfect, and no matter what happens with it, people are always gonna bitch about it