You calling me a ****** is like the pot calling the igloo black. I don't expect you to get that. If you think Undertaker is better than John Cena by any objective criteria, then you know nothing. If you prefer him, power to you. I'm not really a fan of anyone left in this tournament, but I can tell you that Taker is by far the worst pro wrestler left, and were it not for CM Punk's presence in the last round, he'd have been the worst there by a country mile too. In the Hogan era, he feuded with Hogan for about 3 weeks as a stop gap for Flair's arrival. Then he started feuding with guys like Jake Roberts, the definitive midcarder. In the new generation era, when they were giving anyone a shot at the main event, he was feuding with Mabel. In the Attitude era, which I'm defining as the PPV after WrestleMania XIV to WrestleMania X-Seven, he only headlined 2 PPVs that Austin didn't. One was a 6 man tag, the other a fatal-4-way. That is not what the biggest stars do, that is occupying the Chris Jericho slot of believable main eventer, but that's about it. In the Ruthless aggression era he was wrestling the likes of A-Train, Mark Henry and Muhammed Hassan. In the early PG era, was his only sustained period of challenge. On the B show. In the second half, you could count the number of matches he's had on one hand. And then ultimately faded to the background. As a champion, he's been diabolical. When the world and his wife were getting title reigns in the attitude era, Taker managed 1 for 36 days. The Undertaker doesn't always feud with "the guy" anyway. Diesel was champion for a year and Taker was nowhere near him in that time. Are you fucking ******ed? There is literally nobody in the world with any knowledge that denies that Cena is the biggest draw in wrestling right now. The Undertaker is still around, but everyone points to Cena. The WrestleMania live audience has basically quadrupled since John Cena started main eventing, the buyrate has gradually increased. When Undertaker comes back after a lengthy period, there is no change in the ratings. When Cena came back around Survivor Series 2008, the ratings leapt up 0.5 points in a week! Cena has won the WWE title 10 times, the World Heavyweight Championship twice. 12 is more than 7 and he did it in half the time. Oh shit though, I didn't factor in the Hardcore title. How on earth will Cena compete with that? His 2 US titles might just do that. And the Undertaker hasn't seen his best days already? What are you on about? But his the kicker. Cena's longest reign was 380 days, Taker's was 140 days. Cena's average reign is 97 days, Taker's is 64 days. He's had more reigns, that last longer, and he's the one that hot potatoes it? Here is some perspective, I think you need it. What? Lets once and for all show that the Streak is the most overrated accomplishment in the history of the business: Jimmy Snuka - Shite has been Jake Roberts - Midcarder Giant González - Monster of the month, won by DQ after being knocked out King Kong Bundy - Fat, crap and past his prime Diesel - On his way out the company Sycho Sid - On his way out the company Kane - First Impressive victory Big Boss Man - Has-been midcarder Triple H - Second impressive victory Ric Flair - Aged 50+ Big Show & A-Train - Complete farce, set up by Nathan Douglas' exit Kane - Kane had totally lost his way by now, feuding with Matt Hardy etc. before long Randy Orton - Still in the midcard after catastrophic title reign Mark Henry - Fat Midcarder The 6 matches since then have been mostly good, but it doesn't disguise the fact that until he went part time, the Streak lasted 14 years, and contained 2 impressive victories. Yes, I'm saying exactly that. In 2008, Cena sold more t-shirts in one year than anyone in the history of wrestling, except Austin in the late 90s and Hogan in the mid 80s. The Undertaker was never a big merch seller. Except he didn't. Cena has had one year - October 2007-8 - in his entire career where he missed significant time, i.e. more than a month. Before Raw debuted, the schedule wasn't the same. After it did, Taker had long breaks in 1994, 1995, 1999-2000, 2002, 2003-4, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012. Coupled in with the fact that in 1996-99 he had long periods where he only wrestled PPVs, I think that's my point proven. Slyfox, who's opinions are generally closer to those of the mainstream than anyone's in the IWC, believes the first Triple H match to be god awful. But to steal the show at 4 events out of 20 isn't particularly show stealing. The crowd are always engaged in Cena's matches. That is not true of The Undertaker. FEEL THE GREATNESS. Except he isn't is he? This is about the best wrestler of all time, and that means being well known outside wrestling. Which Taker isn't. And Cena is. Taker does not get invited to the Orange Bowl. It's cute that you're trying, but despite the fact Little Jerry Lawler has already put you on your arse, I'm going to do it again. Put himself over by throwing himself off the cage. What? He wasn't ever over in WWF, and I don't recall Undertaker wrestling in Japan/WCW in the early 90s. Shawn Michaels was a multiple time world champion before he wrestled The Undertaker. I've said it before, Kane's overness had more to do with Paul Bearer, but this is the first one that has any merit. If he put Austin over, so did the entire roster in 1998! Or Bret Hart put him over, one of the two. Valid. The Undertaker first got into a programme with The Rock in 1999, after he'd headlined WrestleMania. What? How?! Valid More of a team effort by the contemporary main event. No, I see where we are going with this. If you lose, you don't necessarily put someone over. It's about making them look better. Taker never did this with show. Is this a joke? Not really, good character. Valid, though Orton had a long way to go after this. But you do have to avoid them looking like a sack of shit. Valid Losing by DQ then levelling them = not putting over Losing by having millions of interference = not putting over Multiple time world Champion When he destroyed him on PPV? That sure helped Punk's career! How exactly? Yeah alright, he beat a 13 time world Champion despite being interfered against, twatted with a sledgehammer and having an unfavourable referee. Just losing, is not putting over. You have missed that point. You're correct about Hardy, though the endorsement went nowhere. The majority of the others may have won, but they were no-sold to high heaven. I love how The Undertaker was putting over Austin and The Rock in 1999, but Cena was a smaller star than JBL, apparently. You could not sum up your obvious bias fanboyism any more succinctly. The saddest part of this is that you think you're making a good argument. I'm not angry at you, I just pity you. He's a sideshow, and Stevie Wonder could see that. Cena has done all of those things. The building erupts more when Cena gets there. He beat Hogan because Ric Flair got involved. Don't invent history. If you think The Undertaker is the best in ring performer of all time, power to you, but the overwhelming majority will disagree. I'm not a fan of Cena, you are a fan of The Undertaker, and that is abundantly clear as you repeatedly miss the point, and make irrelevant ones.