Miami Region, Fifth Round: (1) Hulk Hogan vs. (3) John Cena

[Jack-Hammer]

The two ultimate babyfaces. Cena & Hogan's characters were basically cut from the same cloth. Both characters were the larger than life, patriotic, family friendly superhero brought to life.

If you're just going by who did the most for wrestling, then Hogan wins. In terms of accomplishments, both guys are on very solid ground. Both men are 12 time World Champions and were flat out dominant. Both guys have been the face of pro wrestling. All in all, I've got to give this to John Cena. The fact that it's Hulk Hogan, the name itself is enough to get Hogan over most guys, but that won't fly against Cena. It'd be an epic match all in all with hype that'd be unrivaled but, in the end, I just see John Cena as being too much for Hogan. The prime of Hogan's career was from 1984 to about 1990 and the one guy that was on a level similar to Cena at that time was the Ultimate Warrior, and we all know how that turned out.

In terms of athleticism & conditioning, Cena completely outshines Hogan. Hogan wasn't someone that was known for being able to go for long periods of time, whereas we've seen some of Cena's best matches go close to an hour, sometimes longer. In terms of strength, I'd probably put them on even footing, with maybe a slight nod to Cena. Cena has some legitimately freakish strength, though Hogan's no pushover. As far as in-ring ability, Cena's all over Hogan. Not saying that Cena is Kurt Angle skilled or anything like that, but he is compared to Hogan. Hogan's standard right hand + clothesline + big boot + leg drop offense just isn't going to get it done against John Cena in my opinion.

I see both guys taking each other's primary finishers at least twice, with both guys kicking out. Cena eventually locks in the STF on Hogan in the center of the ring with Hogan slowly managing to crawl towards the ropes, putting everything he has into it. Within mere inches of reaching the ropes, Cena releases the hold & drags him back to the center only to reapply it once again. Both men are hurt and probably exhausted by this time, with Hogan being the more tired of the two and is unable to muster the strength to get the ropes this time. He gets close, maybe as close as he got during the first attempt, but can't drag himself another inch. Hogan passes out from the STFU, he doesn't submit, and Cena claims the win around the 45 minute mark.

 

[Slyfox696]

Ironically enough, I was thinking the same thing the moment I saw your post...

What's the matter, not smart enough to think of your own insult here?

Well, that would put you in with roughly 50% of wrestling fans. When even 70% of wrestling fans recognize Cena's greatness, get back to me.

Ahh yes, the ridiculous "only half the people cheer him as babyface" argument. How many times do I have to say it? Regardless of whether people cheer or people boo, they still CARE. They are still paying money to come see the show. That's all that matters. Cena's matches are white hot, and have been since he entered the main-event. The only "half cheer" argument is a load of garbage and you know it. I'm disappointed you even tried it.

So even though you claim they enjoy more mainstream success, he STILL can't draw what Hogan did in the day? Do you realize how stupid you sound?

The television world is much different today than it was back then. Not only does John Cena show up every week for free, unlike Hogan who only had to work a couple of televised dates a year, the WWE is facing big time competition from numerous other television shows and PPVs. It's not like it was back in the 80s, when people had 10 channels. There are hundreds upon hundreds of television channels today, boxing PPVs, UFC PPVs, etc. The competition is so much greater than it was in Hogan's time.

Throw in the fact that seeing Hogan was a rare treat, which only happened on those very few occasions he was on national TV or happened to be working a show near you, and I think John Cena's drawing power is very near what Hogan had.

Yes, because working for 3 years as a face is equivalent to what Hogan did for a decade. And Flair? There's a reason he flopped everytime he was put in front of a national audience every week.

Wasn't it Vince McMahon himself who said Austin made more money in each of those three years than anyone else had in history in comparable time period?

And as far as Flair goes, when you say "flop", what you REALLY mean is mega over and respected every time he got on TV, even though his tits were saggier than your grandmother's.

The fact of the matter is much of Austin's moneymaking was the direct result of Hulk Hogan's greatness. In fact, you could give a large percentage of credit to Hogan for the money Austin made.

I'm sorry, but I could have sworn you just tried to credit Austin's immense drawing power to Hogan. Let me guess, if it hadn't been for Hogan, Floyd Mayweather wouldn't draw either. And how about Georges St. Pierre, should he bow in homage to Hogan as well?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Once the fans are in the building, who cares?

The fans who are in the building? The ones who paid for their ticket but might not next time?

Hogan, unlike any other worker, can claim to have two primes, one as the mega face and one as the mega heel. His career basically WAS his prime.

Horseshit argument, you have to decide one or the other, you don't get to go both ways. That's KB's department.

Uh oh, logical fallacy alert! Poisoning the well is not a valid argument. Good try though. It doesn't distract from the point that Hogan's attitude is not relevant in this match.

Well sure it is. If the Internet had existed back in Hogan's day, do you think people would still have wanted to drop money on a douchebag? If they knew "say your prayers and take your vitamins" was in actuality "do a lot of coke and steroids and when your friends are hospitalized, blame God", do you think people would still have wanted to spend their money on him? Of course not.

Families don't want their children's heroes to be drugged out assholes. They are not going to pay money for a bad influence. If the Internet had existed back then the way it does now, Hogan wouldn't be NEARLY the draw he was, he wouldn't have won as many matches, and this match wouldn't even be a debate.

Then again, I don't see how it's much of a debate now, considering everything which works to Cena's advantage.

I'm sorry, did you just say those three guys are overrated? Have you ever watched wrestling before 2005?

Yes, which is why I'm qualified to say that.

Yes, because he never defeated Lex Luger or the Giant (now Big Show) or Savage again or Piper or Warrior...

Oooh, a guy who lost a fight with his T-shirt, a guy who has repeatedly lost to anyone with a seat at the main-event table, and three guys way past their primes. You really did sure show me!

Here you are again, attacking Hogan's character, because you have nothing else to support your cause.

You mean other than the fact Cena is the better in-ring worker, better on the mic, works a much more demanding schedule and is way more exposed than Hogan and is still the top dog?

Besides that?

The most ridiculous argument ever. Hogan had no business losing to HBK or Orton. As far as Hart goes, Hogan lost to Yokozuna, who lost to Hart. It amazes me how people get so ridiculous about this sort of thing.

I'm confused. How does Hogan losing to Yokozuna, just so Yokozuna can lose to Hart, help Bret Hart? And what benefit did Hogan have going over Orton? I'd love to hear.

Very fine matches, no doubt about it. But the point is Hogan has been in plenty of quality matches himself over the years, and since Hogan has proven he's a good worker, the fact he's the far more successful worker and the much bigger draw shows he's the right choice to advance.

A good worker? Maybe. Better than Cena? Definitely not. And let's not even get into promo ability, Cena whips Hogan's ass by a mile. And, as I've pointed out earlier in this post, I'm not so sure that, taking into account the different circumstances, Hogan is that much bigger of a draw.

Yes, I'm sure that's what McMahon was thinking too...."Hogan drew 93,000 people to Detroit, and made me a boatload of money, but all I can worry about is whether they'll put on a good match".

Actually, I imagine his thinking was, "Well, we have these fans here tonight, how do we keep them for tomorrow?". I'm not certain a mediocre match was the way to do it. As evidenced by the fact that Wrestlemania 3 was the peak of the WWF in the 80s.

Are you really trying to tell me Sting, Luger and Savage did not have Hall of Fame caliber careers? Get out of here with that nonsense.

Yes, that's what I'm telling you. Until they are in the Hall of Fame, they did not have Hall of Fame caliber careers. Perhaps we should bring back that 4 year old to explain it to you.

And yet, in many other ways, Cena can barely hope to spit shine Hogan's yellow boots.

It is quite a long ways from pinning Hogan's shoulder to spitting on his boots, but I'm sure most of us would be more than capable of spitting on Hogan.

Hogan > Cena and it's not even close.

Unless you possess the capability of reasonable and rational thought. Then it's obviously John Cena for the victory. That's okay though, we'll forgive you this time.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Any legitimate discussion of "Greatest Professional Wrestler of All Time" includes the name Hulk Hogan. Do any of you voting for John Cena honestly think he belongs in that conversation?

Hogan is better. It shouldn't even be close. Even if you argue kayfabe only, Hogan almost NEVER lost. Cena loses all the time!

Every week it's brought up on this site and sites like this that Cena is a "modern day" Hogan. A "Hogan knock off." How can Cena possibly be winning this voting?

Vote Hogan.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Any legitimate discussion of "Greatest Professional Wrestler of All Time" includes the name Hulk Hogan. Do any of you voting for John Cena honestly think he belongs in that conversation?

Hogan is better. It shouldn't even be close. Even if you argue kayfabe only, Hogan almost NEVER lost. Cena loses all the time!

Every week it's brought up on this site and sites like this that Cena is a "modern day" Hogan. A "Hogan knock off." How can Cena possibly be winning this voting?

Vote Hogan.

Let's take a look at these people who make these Cena is a Hogan knockoff threads, they are most likely made by people who are obsessed with the Attitude Era and mindlessly hate on anything new, or they are fans of another wrestling promotion. Hogan, much like other old timers in this tournament that people like to argue for who have "barely ever lost", Hogan constantly won in a time period in which that was accepted. That just would not happen in wrestling today because it just wouldn't be good entertainment to have one guy who never loses beat the entire company. Cena deserves to win this more than Hogan.

Vote Cena.

 

[Larry]

This easily goes to John Cena. Hulk Hogan is a selfish egotistical asshole who was exposed in his divorce for just how petty the man really is. Yes, he did rule over the wrestling world in the 80s, but it's not like there was a lot of top competition for his spot. King Kong Bundy? Paul Orndorff? Andre the Giant at the end of his career (and life)? Not exactly a stellar list of Hall of Famers. Outside of Savage, who held the belt for a year, Hogan had no competition.

On the other hand, we have John Cena, who seems to be as legitimately nice as they come. He does all sorts of Make a Wish Foundation requests, he has no problem putting other wrestlers over, he's worked some of the best matches in wrestling history, and he's done it by competing with SEVERAL Hall of Famers.

This choice is clear, it has to be Cena.

Anyone who votes against Hogan has to be out of their mind. Not only is he undisputedly the greatest draw in wrestling history, not only is he the biggest babyface in wrestling history, he's also arguably the greatest heel in wrestling history. He revolutionized the pro wrestling business, not once but twice. His matchup with Andre and Warrior are still talked about today, even 25 years after the former. He is undoubtedly the greatest pro wrestler in history.

That's great, unfortunately it has fuck all to do with this conversation. Don't blame you for trying to score easy points though.

You conveniently forgot guys like Roddy Piper, Slaughter and Flair, all deserving of Hall of Fame status, if they are not already. Oh, and don't forget Mr. Perfect either. And that's not even getting into his WCW run.

But why do you think none of those guys match up with Hogan? That's because Hogan was so great, there was no way someone could meet his greatness. We don't say Lou Gehrig was a bad baseball player because Babe Ruth was the greatest hitter ever, do we?

Again, that's great, but completely irrelevant.

As did Hogan.

Hogan has put over plenty of guys, what the fuck are you talking about?

Like Wrestlemania 6 or Wrestlemania 18? Tell me, has Cena EVER had a match as big as Wrestlemania 3? Nope.

Yeah, not like Piper, Flair, Perfect, Savage, Luger, Sting, etc.


Only if you refuse to recognize who revolutionized pro wrestling into what it is today.

Vote Hogan.

I see the idiots are out in full force in this match...
Or just recognize the greatness of Cena.

True, but pro wrestling is far more accepted mainstream than ever before, in large part because of people like John Cena. Even though wrestling was popular in Hogan's day, it was still something reserved for the bottom of the barrel type of people, the lowest common denominator. But even ESPN covers the WWE at times now, and they are constantly making comparisons to John Cena.

Pro wrestling has never seen as much mainstream acceptance as they are currently enjoying, and that's thanks in large part to Cena.

Steve Austin and Ric Flair would like to have a word with you.

And the second time was thoroughly trounced when the WWE called his bet and raised him an Austin. Revolutionized? Perhaps, but Austin took it to a whole other level. Kind of hard to use that as an argument.

No doubt about it, and usually his match with Andre is followed up with "...but it wasn't a very good match". And we see how well that Warrior thing worked out.

If you take his entire career, yes. But we're not talking about entire career, we're talking about primes. Try to stay focus numbnuts.

Pretty certain being a selfish asshole and not giving back to the business which made him all of his money before he ruined it by sleeping with his daughter's friend is significant. Only an idiot would think not putting guys over because of his selfish attitude would not play a part in this vote.

Congratulations, three guys all overrated. Piper never won a World title, Slaughter is remembered far more for his heel run than any other time in his history and Flair was exposed as the overrated worker he was every time he got in front of a national audience.

I didn't, I just didn't think midcarders belonged in this conversation.

Yes, who could forget the Dungeon of Doom, the Yeti, and his oh so infamous win over Kevin Nash? Don't get me wrong, defeating The Butcher at Starrcade '94 is quite the accomplishment, but I'm just not certain how well it fits in this debate.

Because they suck, or are grossly overrated?

Babe Ruth was a womanizing slob of a man. Hey, he does have something in common with Hogan after all!

Did? Past tense? Thanks for proving my point. Cena has done nearly 200 Wish requests in the last 8 years. That doesn't include all the hospitals he's visited, all the military personnel he's visited, etc.

Do you really want to play this game? Do you really want to play the "who's nicer" game? I'll guarantee you Cena will wipe the floor with Hogan.

Like HBK? Like Bret Hart? Like Randy Orton? No, didn't think so.

Actually, I was thinking more like Wrestlemania 28, Wrestlemania 22, Wrestlemania 23, ONS 06, RR 06, TLC 06, GAB 07, MITB 11, etc.

But hey, good job posting a match which is considered by many to be a very poor match. That really helps your cause, you fuckwit.


Half those guys you mentioned aren't in the Hall of Fame. Do you have any fucking clue what you're talking about before you post?

I prefer to recognize the great guy who has put on great matches and has done such tremendous things for the business even mainstream media no longer looks down upon pro wrestling. In many ways, Cena has taken pro wrestling places even Hogan could never take it.

Cena > Hogan

Ironically enough, I was thinking the same thing the moment I saw your post...

Well, that would put you in with roughly 50% of wrestling fans. When even 70% of wrestling fans recognize Cena's greatness, get back to me.

So even though you claim they enjoy more mainstream success, he STILL can't draw what Hogan did in the day? Do you realize how stupid you sound?



Yes, because working for 3 years as a face is equivalent to what Hogan did for a decade. And Flair? There's a reason he flopped everytime he was put in front of a national audience every week.

If it hadn't been for Hogan and the nWo, we would never have had Austin. If it hadn't been for Hogan, Austin wouldn't have made the WWF nearly as much money (thanks to things like merchandising).

The fact of the matter is much of Austin's moneymaking was the direct result of Hulk Hogan's greatness. In fact, you could give a large percentage of credit to Hogan for the money Austin made.

Once the fans are in the building, who cares? And the match with Andre wasn't really that bad at all. It was a pretty simple story, but it was told fairly well, there weren't too many mess-ups, and for what Andre was at that point in his career, it was a very solid match.

And are you really saying that what happened to Warrior after the match has any relevance on the match itself? That's just ridiculous.



Numbnuts...the 1980s called and wants their insult back. Hogan, unlike any other worker, can claim to have two primes, one as the mega face and one as the mega heel. His career basically WAS his prime.

Uh oh, logical fallacy alert! Poisoning the well is not a valid argument. Good try though. It doesn't distract from the point that Hogan's attitude is not relevant in this match.



I'm sorry, did you just say those three guys are overrated? Have you ever watched wrestling before 2005?

Yes, because he never defeated Lex Luger or the Giant (now Big Show) or Savage again or Piper or Warrior...

Here you are again, attacking Hogan's character, because you have nothing else to support your cause.

That may be, but Hogan was doing this kind of thing decades ago before Cena ever got into the business. Why does it matter WHEN it was done?

The most ridiculous argument ever. Hogan had no business losing to HBK or Orton. As far as Hart goes, Hogan lost to Yokozuna, who lost to Hart. It amazes me how people get so ridiculous about this sort of thing.

Very fine matches, no doubt about it. But the point is Hogan has been in plenty of quality matches himself over the years, and since Hogan has proven he's a good worker, the fact he's the far more successful worker and the much bigger draw shows he's the right choice to advance.

Yes, I'm sure that's what McMahon was thinking too...."Hogan drew 93,000 people to Detroit, and made me a boatload of money, but all I can worry about is whether they'll put on a good match".

What a ridiculous argument. And that's not even taking into account the fact the match was not a bad match at all, for anyone with an attention span greater than a 4 year old.

Are you really trying to tell me Sting, Luger and Savage did not have Hall of Fame caliber careers? Get out of here with that nonsense.

And yet, in many other ways, Cena can barely hope to spit shine Hogan's yellow boots. Like in drawing power, # of times revolutionizing the business, career success, etc.

Hogan > Cena and it's not even close.

What's the matter, not smart enough to think of your own insult here?

Ahh yes, the ridiculous "only half the people cheer him as babyface" argument. How many times do I have to say it? Regardless of whether people cheer or people boo, they still CARE. They are still paying money to come see the show. That's all that matters. Cena's matches are white hot, and have been since he entered the main-event. The only "half cheer" argument is a load of garbage and you know it. I'm disappointed you even tried it.

The television world is much different today than it was back then. Not only does John Cena show up every week for free, unlike Hogan who only had to work a couple of televised dates a year, the WWE is facing big time competition from numerous other television shows and PPVs. It's not like it was back in the 80s, when people had 10 channels. There are hundreds upon hundreds of television channels today, boxing PPVs, UFC PPVs, etc. The competition is so much greater than it was in Hogan's time.

Throw in the fact that seeing Hogan was a rare treat, which only happened on those very few occasions he was on national TV or happened to be working a show near you, and I think John Cena's drawing power is very near what Hogan had.

Wasn't it Vince McMahon himself who said Austin made more money in each of those three years than anyone else had in history in comparable time period?

And as far as Flair goes, when you say "flop", what you REALLY mean is mega over and respected every time he got on TV, even though his tits were saggier than your grandmother's.



I'm sorry, but I could have sworn you just tried to credit Austin's immense drawing power to Hogan. Let me guess, if it hadn't been for Hogan, Floyd Mayweather wouldn't draw either. And how about Georges St. Pierre, should he bow in homage to Hogan as well?

What the fuck are you talking about?

The fans who are in the building? The ones who paid for their ticket but might not next time?

Horseshit argument, you have to decide one or the other, you don't get to go both ways. That's KB's department.

Well sure it is. If the Internet had existed back in Hogan's day, do you think people would still have wanted to drop money on a douchebag? If they knew "say your prayers and take your vitamins" was in actuality "do a lot of coke and steroids and when your friends are hospitalized, blame God", do you think people would still have wanted to spend their money on him? Of course not.

Families don't want their children's heroes to be drugged out assholes. They are not going to pay money for a bad influence. If the Internet had existed back then the way it does now, Hogan wouldn't be NEARLY the draw he was, he wouldn't have won as many matches, and this match wouldn't even be a debate.

Then again, I don't see how it's much of a debate now, considering everything which works to Cena's advantage.

Yes, which is why I'm qualified to say that.



Oooh, a guy who lost a fight with his T-shirt, a guy who has repeatedly lost to anyone with a seat at the main-event table, and three guys way past their primes. You really did sure show me!

You mean other than the fact Cena is the better in-ring worker, better on the mic, works a much more demanding schedule and is way more exposed than Hogan and is still the top dog?

Besides that?

I'm confused. How does Hogan losing to Yokozuna, just so Yokozuna can lose to Hart, help Bret Hart? And what benefit did Hogan have going over Orton? I'd love to hear.

A good worker? Maybe. Better than Cena? Definitely not. And let's not even get into promo ability, Cena whips Hogan's ass by a mile. And, as I've pointed out earlier in this post, I'm not so sure that, taking into account the different circumstances, Hogan is that much bigger of a draw.

Actually, I imagine his thinking was, "Well, we have these fans here tonight, how do we keep them for tomorrow?". I'm not certain a mediocre match was the way to do it. As evidenced by the fact that Wrestlemania 3 was the peak of the WWF in the 80s.

Yes, that's what I'm telling you. Until they are in the Hall of Fame, they did not have Hall of Fame caliber careers. Perhaps we should bring back that 4 year old to explain it to you.

It is quite a long ways from pinning Hogan's shoulder to spitting on his boots, but I'm sure most of us would be more than capable of spitting on Hogan.

Unless you possess the capability of reasonable and rational thought. Then it's obviously John Cena for the victory. That's okay though, we'll forgive you this time.

I don't know whether to take this as a sign of greatness, boredom, or insanity, but I think it fits the criteria for all of them. Touche, arguing two sides of the argument against yourself is quite a move. I am only hoping you've got one more of these posts where you side with Hogan BROTHER!

Throughout modern history there are a few names that stand out universally and are recognized around the world; Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Elvis Presley, Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson, and Hulk Hogan. These are people who were bigger than their niche's, who took what they did to another level like no one before or after them. They are recognized as greats in their fields, and legends that transcend them. Not too many people gain that distinction or level of recognition and Hogan is one of the rare few who can say he has.

I ain't gotta lie to kick it, I'm going with Hogan. I think it's been covered well enough by a number of people as to how and why he goes over, and the criteria is all areas has been compared and argued.

There may be those who feel that Cena is "Better" but as to who would win, I think it's Hogan without much question, especially if we're talking about Hogan in his prime. He rarely lost in any circumstance, he had a death grip on the title for the overwhelming majority of his prime, and his legacy is unquestionable and undeniable. Years from now, Cena's career will be reflected on and hotly debated about as to whether he was as big a deal as people say, whether he was really as good as people say, and whether or not his time was as significant as people say. Bottom line, it will be heavily questioned and as controversial then as it is now.

You can't say the same for Hogan. Here we are, all these years down the road, and there isn't any denying Hogans prime, the history books don't lie when it comes to Hogan and if you look back the truth matches the hype. Hulkamania was every bit as big and influential as anyone cares to describe it as, he was every bit as important to wrestling as you can imagine, he was every pit as beloved and popular as you'd care to imagine, he was every bit as big a draw in both gates and merchandise as you can imagine, he was every bit as entertaining in the ring with as strong a connection to the audience as you could imagine, it was all there and it was real, there isn't any embellishing it because it was that damn big.

Cena is great, and you can pour a lot of the same praise on him that Hogan received, but he's still no Hulk Hogan, no one is, he's a one of a kind much like the other names I listed above, there was never one like him before, and there will never be one like him again. Draw an many parallels as you wish, we can play the 6 degrees of separation Kevin Bacon game with this, to correlate the similarities of John Cena to Hogan, but thers is only One Ring To Rule Them All, but there is also only one "Return" and it's not of the King it's of The Jedi, and there is only ONE Hulk Hogan. Few in any have ever been quite so dominant, certainly not as champion, and I find it hard to believe that a prime Hogan loses to virtually anyone not named Ultimate Warrior.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Let's take a look at these people who make these Cena is a Hogan knockoff threads, they are most likely made by people who are obsessed with the Attitude Era and mindlessly hate on anything new, or they are fans of another wrestling promotion. Hogan, much like other old timers in this tournament that people like to argue for who have "barely ever lost", Hogan constantly won in a time period in which that was accepted. That just would not happen in wrestling today because it just wouldn't be good entertainment to have one guy who never loses beat the entire company. Cena deserves to win this more than Hogan.

Vote Cena.

Look, I won't start insulting you for having a different opinion, but how can you make this argument that he "deserves this win more than Hogan"? Hogan carried the WWF for nearly 10 straight years. Not only that, but he did while being a dominant face AND he got cheered unconditionally. Cena has been a Main Eventer for, what, 7 years, all as a face, and he's been getting notably booed since his second year (2006) as the Main Event. Not only that, but he's the face of the company in a DOWN period. Hogan was the face of the WWF in arguably there most (relatively) profitable boom period ever.

Hogan was on the Tonight Show (with Leno AND Carson). Hogan was featured in big time feature films (see: Rocky 3). Hogan was on th ecover of Sports Illustrated, for God's sake! For a fake sport! Cena hasn't come close to this type of exposure or success.

Someone mentioned that Cena has 12 championship reigns, but THAT kind of success is ALSO a product of his era, which you are downgrading Hogan for above here. If you want to argue kayfabe, argue kayfabe. But don't pick and choose when to use it so it suits your argument.

Either you're going to use Kayfabe, in which case Hogan wins since he was much more dominant, or you're going to use non-kayfabe, in which case Hogan wins because he was more popular and drew more money AND he got the intended reaction for his character.

As I stated above, the WWF built their entire product around Hulk Hogan. Everything sprang from him. The WWE is currently building their product AWAY from Cena's character. Shouldn't that tell you something?

So I ask you, what has Cena done to "deserve to win this more than Hogan"?

Vote Hogan.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Look, I won't start insulting you for having a different opinion, but how can you make this argument that he "deserves this win more than Hogan"? Hogan carried the WWF for nearly 10 straight years. Not only that, but he did while being a dominant face AND he got cheered unconditionally. Cena has been a Main Eventer for, what, 7 years, all as a face, and he's been getting notably booed since his second year (2006) as the Main Event. Not only that, but he's the face of the company in a DOWN period. Hogan was the face of the WWF in arguably there most (relatively) profitable boom period ever.

Cena has also carried the WWE for a long time and he did it when it wasn't so cool to be a wrestler. He also did it when he was constantly booed. Cena being the face of the company now isn't his fault and it shouldn't be. It could have been anybody else in his position and he would have gotten the same backlash from the fans.

Hogan was on the Tonight Show (with Leno AND Carson). Hogan was featured in big time feature films (see: Rocky 3). Hogan was on th ecover of Sports Illustrated, for God's sake! For a fake sport! Cena hasn't come close to this type of exposure or success.

Yeah, multiple interviews on various talk shows, magazine covers like muscle magazine, even his movies as bad as some of them were, exposure on television shows and his merchandise say otherwise.

Someone mentioned that Cena has 12 championship reigns, but THAT kind of success is ALSO a product of his era, which you are downgrading Hogan for above here. If you want to argue kayfabe, argue kayfabe. But don't pick and choose when to use it so it suits your argument.

Did I make that argument? No. So don't go telling me that I pick and choose because for most I don't. How many title reigns a person has doesn't make them greater or Ric Flair/Triple H should win the tournament every year. What I saying is that you shouldn't be using a winning streak which would have only happened in that time period as a huge factor for your argument.

Either you're going to use Kayfabe, in which case Hogan wins since he was much more dominant, or you're going to use non-kayfabe, in which case Hogan wins because he was more popular and drew more money AND he got the intended reaction for his character.

John Cena stopped being aimed at adults about 2008, ever since then he's been aimed at children and families. And in that category he's done just fine.

Spoiler

As I stated above, the WWF built their entire product around Hulk Hogan. Everything sprang from him. The WWE is currently building their product AWAY from Cena's character. Shouldn't that tell you something?

Vote Hogan.

People need to stop using the argument he was here first, he automatically is better, it started being used in Bret/Punk thread and now it's spreading to every other one. Cena is still getting the final segments, matches, and everything else built around him in the WWE even when he's not champion. Shouldn't that tell you something?

Vote John Cena.

 

[grundy]

Cena has to win this one. Did Hogan change the biz? Yes. It could easily be argued hes the face of pro wrestling. However cena has taken everything Hogan has done and accomplished and became Hogan 2.0 however hogans legacy is alot more impressive then cenas hes been there longer who's to say he won't b the face in 20years. Hogan faced warror at wm 6 face vs face Hogan vs a man hat would not quit a man that would not die sound familiar? Wrestling has went thru several revolutionary moments ecw, hardcore movement the attitude era with stone cold in years when something new comes in cena will be solidified with the pg era another revolution. Since hogans prime wrestling different cena is wrestling in this era he has the home field advantage.
vote cena

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Cena has also carried the WWE for a long time and he did it when it wasn't so cool to be a wrestler. He also did it when he was constantly booed. Cena being the face of the company now isn't his fault and it shouldn't be. It could have been anybody else in his position and he would have gotten the same backlash from the fans.

Huh? It wasn't cool to be a wrestling fan UNTIL Hogan showed up! He made it cool! So, Cena should get credit because he can't do what Hogan did? Cena should get credit because he's a face who gets booed? That's Cena's fault. That is a NEGATIVE against him.

Yeah, multiple interviews on various talk shows, magazine covers like muscle magazine, even his movies as bad as some of them were, exposure on television shows and his merchandise say otherwise.

Hogan had his own television shows. He had bad movies, just like Cena, only they made more money. Hogan wasn't on the cover of some piddly fitness magazine, he was on the cover of Sports freaking Illustrated!

Cena gets on an occasional talk show. Hogan has been doing it for 25 years. He runs angles on the Tonight Show! Does Cena? Nope.

John Cena stopped being aimed at adults about 2008, ever since then he's been aimed at children and families. And in that category he's done just fine.

Which is spectacular, except that from 2006 to 2008, he was getting booed wildly even though he wasn't aimed at only children and families.

And don't you think it's a problem that "the face of the company" can only be targeted at part of the audience? Was that an issue for Hogan? Austin? Rocky? Nope.

Spoiler

Congratulations to him on getting into Hogan's category in that area. Hogan was the "Most Requested" Wish Granter AND Granted the most Wishes in the 1980's.

People need to stop using the argument he was here first, he automatically is better, it started being used in Bret/Punk thread and now it's spreading to every other one. Cena is still getting the final segments, matches, and everything else built around him in the WWE even when he's not champion. Shouldn't that tell you something?

First of all, that's not what my argument says. I never said anything about Hogan coming first, so he's better in the post your quoting [I did say in an earlier post that everything Cena does, Hogan already did and he did it better, which I stand by]. It says that during Hogan's prime, the program was centered around him. The other angles and programs all came in a similar vein an strengthened the Hogan character. Cena's character is being PHASED OUT. They are literally right now moving the programming away from Cena's style of performing.

Basically, the WWE crafted everything to fit Hogan, because that was how they made money. They are currently crafting their product AWAY from Cena. And that's because he's not capable of carrying the company the way Hogan was, and the fans just don't respond to him monetarily in the same way.

Cena has to win this one.

Umm, no.

Did Hogan change the biz?

I say yes. What do you say?

Yes.

Glad we agree. Now can we say the same thing about Cena?

It could easily be argued hes the face of pro wrestling.

Ok, you seem to be making the case FOR Hogan. Lets see where you go with this...

However cena has taken everything Hogan has done and accomplished and became Hogan 2.0

How so? By presiding over a down period compared to Hogan's (two) boom periods? Cena is a "modern-day" version of Hogan, but that doesn't mean he's an improvement. And the numbers say he isn't.

Hogan faced warror at wm 6 face vs face Hogan vs a man hat would not quit a man that would not die sound familiar?

Do you want to compare Cena's W/L record to Hogan's? You will lose this comparison.

Wrestling has went thru several revolutionary moments ecw, hardcore movement the attitude era with stone cold in years when something new comes in cena will be solidified with the pg era another revolution.

How is this a revolution. We've seen PG Wrestling before.

Since hogans prime wrestling different cena is wrestling in this era he has the home field advantage.

Are you trying to say that a crowd is going to side with a Prime Cena over a Prime Hogan? Crowds don't even side with a Prime Cena right now going against heels.

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I pulled this point out from the middle because it's important.

however hogans legacy is alot more impressive then cenas hes been there longer who's to say he won't b the face in 20years.

Ok, so in 20 years come and talk to me. But this is right now, we can't just extrapolate. What if Cena retires tomorrow from an injury, a la Edge? What if Cena hires Ahmed Johnson's chef and eats his way out of the business?

Basically, people voting for Cena are saying that, right now, if his career ended tomorrow, that Cena's career is better than Hogan's. Try to say that out loud to yourselves without laughing.

Vote Hogan. There is no kayfabe argument that puts Cena over Hogan. There is one non-kayfabe argument that Cena has over Hogan, and that is that he had a higher work-rate in the US compared to Hogan. Would you vote for Dean Malenko over Hogan, too?

Vote Hogan.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Do you want to compare Cena's W/L record to Hogan's? You will lose this comparison.

Just wanted to step in here.

W/D/L

Hogan: 255/34/120

Cena: 379/42/160


Hogan has won 62.35% of his matches, Cena has won 65.23 of his.

He wouldn't lose that comparison.


Sources:

Hogan

Cena

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Just wanted to step in here.

W/D/L

Hogan: 255/34/120

Cena: 379/42/160


Hogan has won 62.35% of his matches, Cena has won 65.23 of his.

He wouldn't lose that comparison.


Sources:

Hogan

Cena

Yes, that includes the entirety of Hogan's career, including his time in the WWE when he was 50ish and his time as a heel where he often lost by disqualification or countout, etc. Try comparing their primes.

Using your own source, I went ahead and did Hogan for you:

Hogan, in his Hulkamania run, won 119 matches and lost 20 not counting Battle Royales but counting tag matches of any kind. That's a win percentage of 85.6%. That counts from the day he beat Shiek to the day he lost to Yokozuna. I just started counting Cena's by hand (starting on the day he beat JBL for his first HW title), but I lost track bu he was at about 40 losses to the same 119 wins Hogan had and I'm not doing it over. So it doesn't look good.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Yes, that includes the entirety of Hogan's career, including his time in the WWE when he was 50ish and his time as a heel where he often lost by disqualification or countout, etc. Try comparing their primes.

Yeah I figured you'd go there. I'm not doing that much research. Besides, Hogan has never really been prone to losses.

Using your own source, I went ahead and did Hogan for you:

Hogan, in his Hulkamania run, won 119 matches and lost 20 not counting Battle Royales but counting tag matches of any kind. That's a win percentage of 85.6%. That counts from the day he beat Shiek to the day he lost to Yokozuna. I just started counting Cena's by hand (starting on the day he beat JBL for his first HW title), but I lost track bu he was at about 40 losses to the same 119 wins Hogan had and I'm not doing it over. So it doesn't look good.

Looking at the numbers you've got for Cena there, I have to assume that you barely cleared the halfway point with him. Point being, Hogan's career has nearly tripled Cena's in length and Cena has had about 200 more matches with no slow down in sight. He also performs during a time where he performs on almost a weekly basis, Hogan performed on TV less than 25 times a year. Of course Cena's going to have more wins and losses. However, the percentage shouldn't be in Cena's favor if Hogan has such an incredibly win/loss record.

 

[ServantofTwilight]

Just wanted to step in here.

W/D/L

Hogan: 255/34/120

Cena: 379/42/160


Hogan has won 62.35% of his matches, Cena has won 65.23 of his.

He wouldn't lose that comparison.


Sources:

Hogan

Cena

I didn't look at the Cena linik but the numbers for Hogan are off. It has him as being 0-0-1 in the AWA. He wrestled there for about two years but only had 1 match?

 

[mrppv420]

I feel like we're missing an option on this poll. I think this one would be thrown out due to both being a tad injury prone. Cena will tear a pec again while attempting the AA and Hogan will break a hip after missing the leg drop. Both will be in too much pain to continue.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Yeah I figured you'd go there. I'm not doing that much research. Besides, Hogan has never really been prone to losses.



Looking at the numbers you've got for Cena there, I have to assume that you barely cleared the halfway point with him. Point being, Hogan's career has nearly tripled Cena's in length and Cena has had about 200 more matches with no slow down in sight. He also performs during a time where he performs on almost a weekly basis, Hogan performed on TV less than 25 times a year. Of course Cena's going to have more wins and losses. However, the percentage shouldn't be in Cena's favor if Hogan has such an incredibly win/loss record.

The profightdb is incomplete. I just used it because you sourced it. As someone already pointed out, it shows Hogan as having one match in the AWA. Hogan wrestled more than 139 matches for the WWF as well. And the winning percentage isn't in Cena's favor when you compare prime vs. prime. You're comparing the entirety of HOgan's career to Cena's prime.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Huh? It wasn't cool to be a wrestling fan UNTIL Hogan showed up! He made it cool! So, Cena should get credit because he can't do what Hogan did? Cena should get credit because he's a face who gets booed? That's Cena's fault. That is a NEGATIVE against him.

Yeah like I said he continued to do it when wrestling was labeled as lame, gay, or stupid. When Hogan came on the scene wrestling wasn't nearly as criticized. And once again your proving my point of using the argument, he was here first he wins. And no it's not Cena's fault, he's not the one making up the story lines or angles.

Hogan had his own television shows. He had bad movies, just like Cena, only they made more money. Hogan wasn't on the cover of some piddly fitness magazine, he was on the cover of Sports freaking Illustrated!
Cena gets on an occasional talk show. Hogan has been doing it for 25 years. He runs angles on the Tonight Show! Does Cena? Nope.

Your speaking as if Hogan is a movie star and Cena can barely get any interviews. Cena nor Hogan are hollywood elite so I'm going to just stop this part of the argument right here.

Which is spectacular, except that from 2006 to 2008, he was getting booed wildly even though he wasn't aimed at only children and families.

The fact that he was still the top face of the company and still getting better reactions than every other main eventer still proves my point.

And don't you think it's a problem that "the face of the company" can only be targeted at part of the audience? Was that an issue for Hogan? Austin? Rocky? Nope.

No but that was because of a little thing called the TV14 rating. When Cena decides he wants the fans to really like him he makes it happen. He doesn't need to win over the fans that who mindlessly hate everything about today's product.

Congratulations to him on getting into Hogan's category in that area. Hogan was the "Most Requested" Wish Granter AND Granted the most Wishes in the 1980's.

Yes he WAS, back in the 80's. Cena's wish granting is equal to Hogan's maybe even above so once again were at a stalemate.

First of all, that's not what my argument says. I never said anything about Hogan coming first, so he's better in the post your quoting [I did say in an earlier post that everything Cena does, Hogan already did and he did it better, which I stand by]. It says that during Hogan's prime, the program was centered around him. The other angles and programs all came in a similar vein an strengthened the Hogan character. Cena's character is being PHASED OUT. They are literally right now moving the programming away from Cena's style of performing.

Everything is centered around Cena are you not getting that. His matches going on last at PPV's even though he's not champion. Such as SS 2011, EC 2012, WM 28, ER 2012, even tonight he most likely main event against a man who can barely even wrestle, that's how much the product is centered around him.

Basically, the WWE crafted everything to fit Hogan, because that was how they made money. They are currently crafting their product AWAY from Cena. And that's because he's not capable of carrying the company the way Hogan was, and the fans just don't respond to him monetarily in the same way.

Yeah basically my argument above goes for this, Cena and Hogan are almost exact equals in everything they've done. Except your just trying to use nonsense to argue for Hogan. That's why I'd rather go with the man who has always given his heart to the buisness regardless what some stuck in the past fans thought.

Vote John Cena.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

For some reason, when the topic of comparing Hogan and Cena comes up, this clip from Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me comes to mind...

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As such, I think full body Hulkamania goes over Diet Cenation (1 calorie, not Hulk enough).

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Yeah like I said he continued to do it when wrestling was labeled as lame, gay, or stupid. When Hogan came on the scene wrestling wasn't nearly as criticized. And once again your proving my point of using the argument, he was here first he wins. And no it's not Cena's fault, he's not the one making up the story lines or angles.

Wrestling had a very negative perception before Hogan came in. It was seen as a refuge of low-intelligence and fools, mostly rednecks and losers. You need to read up on your history.

Does wrestling still have THAT negative of a perception? I would argue no. Wrestlers are legitimate main stream stars now. There were flashes of it before Hogan, but it became consistent after him.

Your speaking as if Hogan is a movie star and Cena can barely get any interviews. Cena nor Hogan are hollywood elite so I'm going to just stop this part of the argument right here.

That's not what I'm saying. But I am saying that Hogan is undeniably a bigger star than Cena. It's not even an argument. 99% of the population in the United States knows who Hogan is. The number is significantly lower for Cena.

All of Cena's movies were financed by the WWE. Most of Hogan's were not.

The fact that he was still the top face of the company and still getting better reactions than every other main eventer still proves my point.

But what are those reactions compared to what the other greats got? What are Cena's reactions compared to Hogan? That's the comparison.

No but that was because of a little thing called the TV14 rating. When Cena decides he wants the fans to really like him he makes it happen. He doesn't need to win over the fans that who mindlessly hate everything about today's product.

So now Cena wasn't trying to get people to root for him? Then he's a terrible babyface. That's his job. And Hogan most certainly did not have a TV14 rating to work with it. He was actually under much stricter restrictions on TV than Cena has to deal with.

Everything is centered around Cena are you not getting that. His matches going on last at PPV's even though he's not champion. Such as SS 2011, EC 2012, WM 28, ER 2012, even tonight he most likely main event against a man who can barely even wrestle, that's how much the product is centered around him.

It's not just about "going on last", the entire program and content is being presented in "worked shoot" format, whereas Cena is very much a pure kayfabe type of character. What are you not getting here? They are making their content different from what Cena represents.

Yeah basically my argument above goes for this, Cena and Hogan are almost exact equals in everything they've done. Except your just trying to use nonsense to argue for Hogan. That's why I'd rather go with the man who has always given his heart to the buisness regardless what some stuck in the past fans thought.

How are they almost exact equals? Hogan was on top for, what, 20 years? Cena is going on 6. Hogan has been a pro wrestler for 30 years and he can barely move anymore because of it, but Cena is the one who has "given his heart to the business"? You are not making any sense.

Hogan took wrestling to unprecedented heights. Has Cena? No. What has Cena done to advance what Hogan has done? What has he done to advance the industry? Nothing. We are at a low point in the cyclical life of pro wrestling. A lull. Welcome to the New Generation 2012. Cena is a transitional guy until the WWE finds a new Hogan, a new Austin/Rock. Cena clearly isn't that guy, or the WWE wouldn't be worse off then it was 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago.

Vote Hogan.

Vote John Cena.[/QUOTE]

 

[grundy]

Your argument should be used every year Hogan be a sure fire but this isn't based on win loss , drawing power, bigger star . Its about who would win and cena is miles ahead of Hogan as an athlete in a one on one face vs face cena prime vs Hogan prime and you take the guy who posed longer then he wrestled hogans a huge star I get it but cena takes it with ruthless aggression

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Your argument should be used every year Hogan be a sure fire but this isn't based on win loss , drawing power, bigger star . Its about who would win and cena is miles ahead of Hogan as an athlete in a one on one face vs face cena prime vs Hogan prime and you take the guy who posed longer then he wrestled hogans a huge star I get it but cena takes it with ruthless aggression

Under this simplistic argument we should just ignore all wrestlers who aren't currently wrestling. Short-sighted and a sad commentary on the current wrestling fandom. Only wrestlers who are agile should win? Because that's the only way Cena is "more athletic." Hogan is bigger and stronger. In a fight, the bigger, stronger man usually wins.

 

[Slyfox696]

What's the matter, not smart enough to think of your own insult here?

I was, just didn't think you possessed the intelligence to understand it.

Ahh yes, the ridiculous "only half the people cheer him as babyface" argument. How many times do I have to say it? Regardless of whether people cheer or people boo, they still CARE. They are still paying money to come see the show. That's all that matters. Cena's matches are white hot, and have been since he entered the main-event. The only "half cheer" argument is a load of garbage and you know it. I'm disappointed you even tried it.

That's right, all that matters is that they pay to come see the show. Now you understand why Hogan is better than Cena? More people came to watch him work than Cena.

The television world is much different today than it was back then. Not only does John Cena show up every week for free, unlike Hogan who only had to work a couple of televised dates a year, the WWE is facing big time competition from numerous other television shows and PPVs. It's not like it was back in the 80s, when people had 10 channels. There are hundreds upon hundreds of television channels today, boxing PPVs, UFC PPVs, etc. The competition is so much greater than it was in Hogan's time.

Throw in the fact that seeing Hogan was a rare treat, which only happened on those very few occasions he was on national TV or happened to be working a show near you, and I think John Cena's drawing power is very near what Hogan had.

That's a great point if you ignore the fact that what goes along with the exposure every week is advertising for the next show. Hulk Hogan didn't get to work a monthly PPV and he didn't get a TV show every week to build for his monthly PPV. When people paid to see Hogan, they paid because Hogan drew them there, NOT because the WWF advertised so much people felt obligated to watch.

Hogan drew his fans, not the WWF. You can't really say the same about Cena.

Wasn't it Vince McMahon himself who said Austin made more money in each of those three years than anyone else had in history in comparable time period?

Wasn't it Vince McMahon who said that with Hulk Hogan Wrestlemania would never have worked? And isn't it generally agreed that without Wrestlemania, the WWF would never have reached the heights it did?

We can play that game all day long. The fact of the matter is Hulk Hogan was an attraction for over 20 years. Austin can't say that and Cena can't say that.

And as far as Flair goes, when you say "flop", what you REALLY mean is mega over and respected every time he got on TV, even though his tits were saggier than your grandmother's.

No, I mean flop. As in his WWF run was so terrible McMahon basically begged Flair to leave, and as in his WCW run saw him constantly playing third fiddle in the nWo feud.

That's what I mean when I say "flop".

I'm sorry, but I could have sworn you just tried to credit Austin's immense drawing power to Hogan.

Damn straight. Without the merchandising machine Hogan created, without the national exposure Hogan gave the WWF, do you really think Austin would have been near the draw he was?

Hogan gets that credit.

Let me guess, if it hadn't been for Hogan, Floyd Mayweather wouldn't draw either. And how about Georges St. Pierre, should he bow in homage to Hogan as well?

Considering they have nothing to do with pro wrestling, it's clear you're talking out of your ass.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Doesn't surprise me you lack the intelligence to understand. After all, you're supporting Cena.

The fans who are in the building?

Exactly, already in the building, point made.

The ones who paid for their ticket but might not next time?

Do you have proof they didn't? No? Then kindly shut the fuck up.

Horseshit argument, you have to decide one or the other, you don't get to go both ways. That's KB's department.

While I always appreciate a good slam on KB's sexuality, the fact of the matter is when you're Hulk Hogan, you can choose both. Because both times he made an assload of money and revolutionized the business. When Cena can do that, let me know.

Well sure it is. If the Internet had existed back in Hogan's day, do you think people would still have wanted to drop money on a douchebag? If they knew "say your prayers and take your vitamins" was in actuality "do a lot of coke and steroids and when your friends are hospitalized, blame God", do you think people would still have wanted to spend their money on him? Of course not.

Families don't want their children's heroes to be drugged out assholes. They are not going to pay money for a bad influence. If the Internet had existed back then the way it does now, Hogan wouldn't be NEARLY the draw he was, he wouldn't have won as many matches, and this match wouldn't even be a debate.

But the Internet didn't exist back then. Society was completely different. TV was completely different.

Trying to place one aspect of today's society into 30 years ago is a waste of time, because that one aspect is shaped by all other aspects of society. For example, if Hogan came along today, he probably wouldn't be a drug user. And as far as steroids go, steroids were legal until 1991, so Hogan didn't do anything wrong there.

Trying to attack Hogan personally is a horseshit argument, and is only done by people who know they cannot dispute his greatness. Move on already.

Then again, I don't see how it's much of a debate now

Finally we agree on something. Hogan should win this easily.

Oooh, a guy who lost a fight with his T-shirt, a guy who has repeatedly lost to anyone with a seat at the main-event table, and three guys way past their primes. You really did sure show me!

Those guys were in their prime or close to it and they were still the top names in pro wrestling. You can put them down with irrelevant jabs (like Luger's t-shirt), but it doesn't change the fact they were still the biggest names in pro wrestling.

You mean other than the fact Cena is the better in-ring worker, better on the mic, works a much more demanding schedule and is way more exposed than Hogan and is still the top dog?

Besides that?

I notice you didn't include drawing power, win/loss record, # of times revolutionizing the business, etc. Aside from your debatable statement regarding Cena's ability in the ring, everything else you said is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

And what benefit did Hogan have going over Orton? I'd love to hear.

Putting someone over and losing to them are two entirely separate things. Orton had just gotten off a suspension, had been made Kurt Angle's bitch at One Night Stand, and didn't deserve to go over Hogan. However, just a year after his match with Hogan, Orton was the World Champion. That's putting someone over.

A good worker? Maybe.

Hogan was a very good worker.

Better than Cena? Definitely not.

Different eras, different circumstances. Cena has had the opportunity to work with a large range of wrestlers, many of whom he's able to have great matches with. Hogan usually worked with guys who could be seen as the insurmountable challenge, guys who were bigger than him or scarier than him.

I'll tell you this, though. Hogan and Cena 1 on 1 in their primes would be a hell of a match.

And let's not even get into promo ability, Cena whips Hogan's ass by a mile.

I don't know if I would go THAT far, but Cena is definitely better on the mic.

And, as I've pointed out earlier in this post, I'm not so sure that, taking into account the different circumstances, Hogan is that much bigger of a draw.

Do I need to do the whole "revolutionizing" the business thing again?

Yes, that's what I'm telling you. Until they are in the Hall of Fame, they did not have Hall of Fame caliber careers. Perhaps we should bring back that 4 year old to explain it to you.

And I guess Bruno Sammartino didn't have a Hall of Fame career either. You're being fucking stupid here. Just because they are not in the WWE Hall of Fame doesn't mean they weren't some of the greatest ever.

Unless you possess the capability of reasonable and rational thought.

Which, seeing as you're supporting Cena, you clearly don't.

It's Hogan, all the way.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Hey, it should be pointed out that in his last 3 high profile matches, Cena has lost clean to a part-time wrestler who left the federation immediately after, gotten brutalized (although pulling off a win) against yet another part timer, and

Spoiler

just got pinned cleanly by John Laurinitis. And don't give me the "interference" thing, Laurinitis won cleanly by the rules of the match. And Laurinitis controlled portions of the match before that, as well.

Can you see any of that happening to a Prime Hogan? Nope.

Vote Hogan.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Hey, it should be pointed out that in his last 3 high profile matches, Cena has lost clean to a part-time wrestler who left the federation immediately after, gotten brutalized (although pulling off a win) against yet another part timer, and

Spoiler

just got pinned cleanly by John Laurinitis. And don't give me the "interference" thing, Laurinitis won cleanly by the rules of the match. And Laurinitis controlled portions of the match before that, as well.

Can you see any of that happening to a Prime Hogan? Nope.

Vote Hogan.

Yeah, i'd still take that over hulking up, overcoming five other guys and giving a relatively boring match unlike the Cena/JL match. Nice try though.

Vote John Cena.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Yeah, i'd still take that over hulking up, overcoming five other guys and giving a relatively boring match unlike the Cena/JL match. Nice try though.

Vote John Cena.

And yet Cena's biggest crowd pop in a match wouldn't make Hogan's top 20 outside of his surprise return to the Royal Rumble, which wasn't really in a match. You may "like" Cena better, but fans as a whole enjoyed Hogan's "boring matches" a lot more.

Vote Hogan.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

And yet Cena's biggest crowd pop in a match wouldn't make Hogan's top 20 outside of his surprise return to the Royal Rumble, which wasn't really in a match. You may "like" Cena better, but fans as a whole enjoyed Hogan's "boring matches" a lot more.

Vote Hogan.

Cena was able to make a match with JL of all people entertaining and keep the crowd going for a good twenty minutes. In fact pretty much all John Cena matches are great. Even if he wins in what people would consider Superman fashion it's still way more believable and better than any Hogan match.