*MERGED* [OFFICIAL] WWE Title Unification/Possible Brand Unification Discussion

Who will be the first Undisputed Champ when the Reunify the Titles?

  • Undertaker

  • Cena

  • Triple H

  • Orton

  • Edge

  • Jericho

  • Sheamus

  • Punk

  • Big Show

  • The Miz


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I think they should unify all belt except the US and IC title. That way you have the champion of each show being the IC and US champ and you have the world champ who appear on both show. That would give more prestige to all titles.

i think this nailed it. two seperate but equal secondary titles (US and intercontinental) and one world champion, one tag team champion, and one women champion will really make the titles more prestigious. hopefully it will be the undisputed belt or the winged eagle design. hopefully this will also lead to a smaller overall roster and one wwe like the good old days
 
i understand unifying the tag and womesn titles sense the divisions suck. but if they were to do this one show would be with out a world and/or midcard title for some time. so im not for the unifying of the ME and midcard titles. however it would work if they cut it down to one overall roster. but again this would leave alot of guys out of tv time.

i thought the wwe wanted to develope some new guys (look at nxt). what better way to elevate young talent than with a title. any gold is better than no gold.

keep 2 midcard and 2 ME titles. bring back the cruiserweight title (look at bryan, kaval, bourne, rhodes, ziggler, ryder, maybe kofi and even jericho or miz fit in this division)
 
When WWE decided to unify the tag-team division titles, I was a little puzzled as to why, but with the Diva title unification match now announced and a report stating that all titles should be unified by this time next year, could this mean WWE is moving back in the direction it once had as a single branded company?

Over the past 5 years I've noticed the roster of both shows getting thinner and thinner, even if it was a slow process, I've been thinking that WWE would revert back to the single branded format for several years, but the presence of so many titles is what kept me from taking the matter seriously.

WWE could make two brands work, but this would mean all titles would have to be defended on both brands, exhausting superstars far quicker than usual, so slimming down to one is the most logical path.

My questions to the wrestlezone community are:
1. Which brand will live on? RAW (the more obvious choice) or SmackDown!?
2. Will all titles recieve a make over just as the tag titles did? If not, which of the two belts will be kept as the physical form? (i.e. Intercontinental or U.S.)
3. Do you think this is the best thing the WWE could do right now?

I realise there's probably other threads like this already, but I couldn't be bothered to look.
 
I highly doubt WWE will take there programming from 6+ hours to 2+ hours a week (this assumes they also get rid of Superstars and NXT depending on what happens to it come October). The main reason is the fact that Vince is making money with what he has and is using NXT to introduce new young talent to the WWE Universe. If WWE somehoThw does decide to downgrade to one brand then it leaves the majority of the roster with no where to go but out the door. As we see on RAW every week it just about The Miz, John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge, Chris Jericho, Sheamus, Triple HHH (when he get better), Nexus (5 stars), and I'll count DBD since he is getting a lot of air time due to his fued including The Miz.

So, with the 13 superstars I listed RAW is pretty much at full occupancy with really no air time for other wrestler to grow and nuture their character to become a main star.

Next, we go to the stars that would come over if Smackdown! closed. Smackdown! even though they do not have as much depth as RAW at the main event level utilize their talent the fullest. Smackdown! has Alberto Del Rio, Rey Mysterio, Kane, Undertaker, Big Show, CP Munk :p (if you don't get it look up from Chikara). I will also add some top mid-card performers that I feel could be elevated to the title picture just like that with the current Smackdown! This list includes Kofi, "Dashing" Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and possibly Drew McIntyre or MVP if done right.

This makes the total of 24 superstars not including the invisible RAW mid-card which features Evan Bourne, Zack Ryder, John Morrison, R-Truth, and many more. Plus the barely breathing Tag Team Division and Women's Divsion that get hardly any air time it would just simply not work out as the best direction for WWE. Also, doesn't include Kaval who just won a title shot or the other 7 NXT: Season 2 superstars who obviously have a part to play since they just beat down the face of NXT: Season 2.


Though to answer the other questions that you stated if it did happend which is highly unlikely at the moment. It is obvious that RAW would be the brand as it got WWE to the top of the Wrestling World. They would keep the WWE Title for obvious reasons even if the big gold belt looks better, the Intercontinet Title for its history and prestige, and obviously the Tag Team Titles and hopefully after NOC the Diva's Title. As for if it is the best thing for WWE to do read my post if you didn't just skip to read the final words of this post.
 
All I can say is that it's about time. For far too long we have had people holding championships that don't deserve them, just because they had to have someone holding the title. It will also hopefully mean that we wont see people not defending the titles for months at a time. I mean, when the fuck was the last time Miz defended the U.S. Title?

It's definitely a good thing, and makes sense. It's not that big of a deal, but when you've got guys like Orton, Edge, and Cena, who have a combined total of 24 World Championships between them since 2004, then it seems like overkill. Edge and Cena have 9 World Championships each. How ridiculous does that sound when guys like The Rock, Hogan or Austin have less?
 
This is a tough one to answer. I'm not sure how Vince could be happy with cutting down the amount of money he's making off of having to brands. I can see where you are talking about with titles unifying. If this happens, the wrestlers will burn out pretty quick I'm guessing, or, they may get more time off. What I mean is that they appear on Raw on Monday and then on Friday they go live instead of recorded and mix and match who is on what show and when forcing things to happen all the time so you are almost forced to watch Monday and Friday.

Just a thought.

MJ
 
i believe he's making more headliners by only having one title and superstars can appear on both shows or three if you count superstars and have bigger feuds
 
It will just be like the old days, not totally single branded. Raw and Smackdown will both still exist, just that there would no longer be any "issues" if a Raw superstar showed up on Smackdown visa versa because the brands are unified. No GM's, that's going to be strange but yeah, that's most likely the case if all titles are unified and the brands both just become WWE shows again.
 
WWE wont be going back to "one brand" simply because having two means more house shows and thus, more money they make. Plus, as was already said if they cut back to one brand again you would see a ton of wrestlers with no air time. I mean, they would obviously have both shows still but everyone would be on the same show like before. So, you'd get basically less time for new guys to get air time. I'm not saying WWE couldn't have just one brand and still get new guys over by giving them lots of time, its just we all know they wont.

We would see the same 15 or so guys get airtime on both RAW and SD. A lot of guys and girls would be fired, etc. As much as a lot of people seem to want WWE on one brand...the simple fact is WWE makes a lot more money with two brands.

=)
 
I don't think they will take SD! off the air. I believe, if anything, they would mix the best of the best together on to one larger roster. It would work the same way it did back before the brand split. Remember when guys like Austin and The Rock appeared on both Raw and SD!? That's how it would look. I know most people are thinking that it would mean a huge crowd at the top. However, it would make the I.C. and Tag titles seem more prestigious with less gold available. Also, hopefully it would mean less guys "sky-rocketing" to the top and getting a World title too early(i.e. Sheamus and Swagger).
 
If the WWE is even going to do this, it would likely not retain either "brand" but revert to it just being the WWE. Raw and Smackdown would go back to being what they originally were, just WWE shows. The "brand" would be WWE, which is the only brand that matters to most people anyway. The important wrestlers would go back to being on both shows, irrelevant crap guys that currently get air time would get much less, and everybody wins except the wrestlers that can't get air time.

The viewer wins because they get a better product regardless of which show they choose to watch (and likely, most people would go back to watching both shows) and the WWE wins because they'll still turn huge profits while trimming their payroll.

As for a relevant side note, the "brand" extension was a pretty poor attempt to replicate a wrestling rivalry that ended when WCW got scooped up and most people should be happy to see it go in favor of consistent, quality bi-weekly programming.
 
If all titles are unified, the US Champ and Inter Champ will probably be renamed the Intercontinental Champ, most likely because of its prestige. The Divas and Womens Champ will probably be named the Womens Champ, the title goes way back. And the WWE and World Heavyweight Champ will probably be the WWE Champ. However, a changed look for all titles is expected, especially the WWE because it's been changed many times over the years.
 
I dont think WWE will go back to "one brand" because simply its all about the money. With two brands going that means more shows and more people buying tickets which means Vince's favorite thing MONEY. Having only one brand would cut lower card superstars out of air time such as Evan Bourne and other mid card superstars. Having one brand would mean we would see the same guys every week and it would soon just start to get boring. Two brands evens out the air time for all diffrent kinds of superstars and to me just makes a lot more sense.

A lot of stars would be released and there would be the same guys on the show giving know one a opportunity. having two brands gives more superstars time to shine and simply makes WWE get more money.
 
I apologize in advanced if I am misreading your post but if by single branded you mean only Raw will exist than no that won't happen. Smackdown! started in 1999 not 2002. From 99-02 Smackdown! was just an extension to Raw. Instead of waiting a week for a feud to resume, you only had to wait until Thursday. The storylines and wrestlers would continue on both shows. The rosters weren't separate. It was just one roster that did both shows and did a lot for feuds that would otherwise take several months to conclude in shorter time. When they bought WCW, they decided they had to have a place too put everyone so they split the roster with a Ric Flair vs Vince storyline and designated stars to each brand. Then the Champions would just defend the title on both brands an appear on both shows. While everyone else stayed on their brand. This of course ended when Brock Lesnar became exclusive to Smackdown! and the WHC ( Formerly the WCW title) was brought back and given to The Game who was supposed to wrestle Lesnar for the WWE title. Anyway If you knew all of this already than nevermind, but I'm sure there is at least one person around here that didn't know that already so I figured I'd type it. Anyway so to answer your questions.

1) Both
2) I think they will keep 1 title ( IC and womens) scrap the rest. and possibly (Hopefully) redesign the WWE title. I love the WHC but it still screams WCW to me when I see it and I'd imagine they'd want there own title and with most people being sick of the current design I think it'll probably be redesigned.
3)There are pros and cons. I know people are worried some people might be buried but honestly they need to cut some people. They have some people that need to some more work. And the guys that should stay but aren't directly in the world title picture can battle over the IC title. Ya know that title actually meant something at one time and was a big deal. They could go back to that. I think there are too many titles right now so I think its a good idea if done right. Oh and because I want a new WWE title design which isn't guaranteed but could happen.
 
as i do see this as a good idea for purposes bringing back the feeling of the attitude era the people who bring up the fact that the wwe will most likely lose money are right. the fact is that with 2 brands the wwe can put on twice as many house shows each year.

from a viewers perspective i hope that it works because it used to be great back in the day. for people saying that mid carders will be lost in the shuffle i think the way to combat that is to create more factions. wwe used to do that back in the day with the corporation, corporate ministry, dx, union, hart foundation, nation. right now the only faction is nexus and they have been the only faction since legacy who only had 3 members. the old wwe also had a lot tag teams like e&c, hardys, dudleys, hardcore and crash, apa, too cool, and new age outlaws. i think with this move they could really bring tag team wrestling back to the wwe.

so while those mid carders would be losing air time, i think wwe would try to hopefully make more factions and tag teams.


Edit: sorry forgot to add SES
 
i think that just raw will get all the titles that the wwe has to offer and then smackdown is getting new titles. i dont think that vince will take away from having 6 hours a week of tv time and cut that down to 2 maybe 3. this is a great thread by the way. but if they do decide to go unibrand then i think alot of the rosters will get cut most midcarders and divas...
 
I dont see why people think that the brand extension has to end simply because there is one title per devision. With a lot of wrestlers not wrestling for a belt at the time it leave room for non-title feuds, and feuds for the number 1 contendership.

Gone would be the days where the GM says "You get the Number 1 contendership because you havent faced him yet". People could now wrestle one another in fueds or even tournaments to see whom would get the shot. This would in tern add instant prestige to the belts as the fans realize they all are competing for single belts rather than a multitude of them.

The draft would never need to end this way, and thus doesnt have to.
 
I hope they do unify all the titles. This is how I see it....

This is going to bring back prestige and excitement to all titles. Think about it, with only one worlds title a lot of the main event guys have no choice but to go after the IC titles or the tag titles. Its going to be like it was back in the attitude days when they made all the superstars credible. No more lines between main event and Mid card crap. I think this is going to be awesome.

Dos this mean that they will be unifying Smackdown and Raw as well? By this I mean all superstars on both shows. I think that there will be some major fat trimming of the roster if indeed they do unify the titles and go back to all superstars on both Smackdown and raw.
 
Thank fuck, its about fucking time, honestly. I can say as well, I am pretty suprised it even took this long to do it, with WWE going to a more old school, grass-roots style as of the last 2 or so years. Good for them.

Now, maybe titles can mean something again, and you can get fresher fueds, and dynamics in the shows. With this also possibly ending the brand split (with SD going to cable, I think that is pretty likely) you will be getting stacked programming on weekly basis. I liken it to when they decided to go tri branded with the PPV...EVERY ppv became a huge card, and now, instead of a "special" card every few months, we may be about to see a special card twice a week.

Even if it doesnt end the brand split, it is still a much, much better move for the company. Things have always worked best with one guy to be looked at as "The Man" and I am very happy they are going back to it.
 
This is indeed huge. The biggest thing I can think of is that it means the title reigns might actually mean something for once. Rather than things being ridiculous like Edge having more title reigns than Rock, Austin or Hogan, he'll have to slow it WAY down. No more getting a title back two hours after you lost another. It's a nice break for wrestling purists and it could definitely strengthen the titles. Also it's going to keep people taht aren't ready for the belt, such as Swagger, from getting it. This is good all around.

Another hting this could do is strengthen the midcard. Instead of having guys like Sheamus or Swagger or Mysterio having a second world title to fight over, they could go after the IC Title instead. It brings value back to that title as well. The problem that I see though is having too many people running around. WIth so many people you need to find something for them to do, which definitely won't be easy. I'd expect a good deal of cuts if the rosters are merged again.
 
This is indeed huge. The biggest thing I can think of is that it means the title reigns might actually mean something for once. Rather than things being ridiculous like Edge having more title reigns than Rock, Austin or Hogan, he'll have to slow it WAY down. No more getting a title back two hours after you lost another. It's a nice break for wrestling purists and it could definitely strengthen the titles. Also it's going to keep people taht aren't ready for the belt, such as Swagger, from getting it. This is good all around.

Another hting this could do is strengthen the midcard. Instead of having guys like Sheamus or Swagger or Mysterio having a second world title to fight over, they could go after the IC Title instead. It brings value back to that title as well. The problem that I see though is having too many people running around. WIth so many people you need to find something for them to do, which definitely won't be easy. I'd expect a good deal of cuts if the rosters are merged again.

See, this is also why I think it's a good thing. It helps establish some wrestlers legacy better than it would had they won a world title.

If the WWF was run the same way the WWE is today, then guys like Tito Santana, Roddy Piper, Mr. Perfect, Razor Ramon, Ted Dibiase Sr. Would all have five or more world title reigns. Now what is the one thing that most of these guys remembered for? Being some of the greatest wrestlers to never hold the World Title is the correct answer.

Nowadays you have guys like Edge, who is nowhere near as good as his 9 time former world champ status says he is. What is he gonna be remembered for? Losing the title 9 times, holding onto it for no more than 2 months, and never really getting a title run off the ground.

If this does go into effect. Guys are going to have to step up their game and prove themselves to the max. Titles will mean more, and guys who don't win them will be remembered for the times they came oh so close, and looked great while doing it.
 
The problem that I see though is having too many people running around. WIth so many people you need to find something for them to do, which definitely won't be easy. I'd expect a good deal of cuts if the rosters are merged again.

See, this is why i don't agree with the whole title unification thing anyway. Title's are props to help the talent get over. So if there's fuck all titles, fuck all talent will get over, right?

Regarding wrestler legacys and title wins, forget the prestige of the titles. It's a fake sport. There's no glory in the 'wins', there's no humiliation in the 'losses', there is simply the direction the stories take and that is all. There is your ability to draw and that's it. That's how you get recognised for your greatness in the long term.

When they induct guys into the HOF, do they ever talk about all the title reigns or do they maybe mention the most significant one and the rest is all about their input into the landscape of modern wrestling?

Now, regarding the use of titles, about 1/3 of either roster right now actually have proper storylines to participate in. The rest are just floating around waiting to be told they've actually got a match on TV that week rather than just House Show matches. A lot of guys have nothing to do but turn up and get squashed or make a pointless run in. What was the point in Mark Henry running down and saving Evan Bourne on Monday? Is Henry going to fued with Del Rio? No, of course not. Out of 3 guys right there, only one of them is actually doing something important, and that's only because he just debuted 2 weeks ago.

Without belts, most of these 'characters' will have no stories to tell, and will find themselves on the unemployment line pretty quick. And it won't be their fault, it'll be because Vince will give us no reason to give a shit about them, because they won't get titles, or mic time or matches that last more than 5 minutes EVER, yet they'll be kept on the roster for a few months, we'll predict them being fired months in advance, some people will hope for them to get a shot at the big time, but ultimately, they won't.

They'll have to cut most the roster, because paying the guys you never intend to make champions out of is a waste of money.

And one more thing..... They did this back in '03 did they not? Where literally the only belts were the World belt, the tag belts and the Women's belt? And it didn't even last a full year before they started bringing the IC and US belts back? And then they started duplicating all the others as well? So i have to ask, why are they trying it again when they never really gave it a shot last time?

Oh, and Edge will be remembered for being dedicated to the WWE for his entire life. If you don't think his HOF induction won't start with a photo of him in the crowd at WM6, then dream on. If you don't think they'll mention that his school voted him 'Most likely to be WWF Champion' then wake up. If you don't think they won't mention the ridiculous number of matches he helped innovate then what exactly do you think qualifies wrestlers for the HOF anyway?
 
I'm hoping that the unification of the womens titles means that soon they will only be on 1 show.
However I'm not even convinced they are actually going to unify them.
It's could be booked to split Laycool - after they win they both go to different shows with a strap?

I don't think they will go to less than 3 singles straps.
The WHC/WWE champ will be across both shows and the respective brands will have a champion.
With a rule that 1 person can't hold 2 titles and can vacate whichever he chooses when he wins a second title.
To few belts gives less reasons for feuds to start.
With a title being vacated every couple of months on each show there are many ways to convincingly start them.


With the push they are giving Miz he might be the 1 to unify 2 belts
 
I have read on various wrestling sites that the plan as of this Monday was to unify all WWE titles within the next year, with the WWE and World Heavyweight titles being unified at Wrestlemania 27, which would leave us with one World Title, one set of Tag Team Titles which we have already, one Women's Title and the Intercontinental Title.

Personally I think this is a great idea as they have had seperate brand titles for around 8 years now. It feels like the right time now to go back to how it was before. I think it would also allow for more non title feuds and the mid card titles wouldn't get overshadowed.

What are everyone elses thoughts on this?

Personally I think this is a great idea as they have had seperate brand titles for around 8 years now. It feels like the right time now to go back to how it was before. I think it would also allow for more non title feuds and the mid card titles wouldn't get overshadowed.

Yes, this would be a great idea, having titles unified. that way, the title would mean more.
 
Yeah I don't really know what to think of it. I mean there is a good and bad way to think of it, I just don't know which one sounds more appealing.

On one hand you have the debate that Titles will become more credible. Which is right. Remember the attitude era when every single title was credible. You'd have great feuds for the tag titles. You had up and comers like HHH vs the Rock for the IC title and you would have great and well built feuds for the World title. So if they unify the titles you have more focusing on the IC title and Tag titles and people will actually look forward to that, were as now they only really look forward to the two world title matches. So in this case it would be better for every division plus have some cool non title feuds.

On the other hand you have the one champion (Lets use the world title as an example) facing a dude for 3 months then he might not get another shot for say 2-3 years unless he is a throw in for an elimination chamber. It might bring more feuds into but it will also be very hard work for the champion and will probably get burnt out very quickly. A Cena year title reign could work in it but people would end up hating Cena after a while, were has if there are 2 world champions on 2 shows there might only be 2 or 3 main event faces on that show.

So it is a tough call. Maybe you could have like a weight division for the world title scene? Seeing as there is a World Heavyweight title and just a WWE title to make the main event scene more credible while having perfectly good feuds.
 

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