**MERGED** (OFFICIAL) TNA General Complaint Thread

[psykohurricane]

On a personnal level, your right TNA is using a lot of WWE stories but have been watching TNA since the very beginning and trust me, they hard better off using recycled material then creating new stories.

In the beginning of TNA, they always found a way to create new stories, never use before or use but not as frequently as what they are using right now. Some of it worked some was really ridiculous and pretty much failed before even getting started. Who doesn'T remember the famous Robert Rood owning Eric Young's contract storyline or the Shark boy transformation into Stone Cold Shark Boy. These are 2 exemples of new and innovative stories that TNA tried and they both failed, so if the only way for TNA to compete with the WWE is to copy them, so be it, at less if they fail it won't because of they're creative team.

 

[Greenlight13]

The only one I'll give you is the Orlando Screwjob. That one seemed more like them taking a shot at WWE than trying to copy them to me but I think it was a bit pointless.

Hogan and Sting is nothing like Vince and Bret if you really think about it. Well, Sting and Bret both do the Sharpshooter, and Hogan and Vince both own their respective companies. But for a start Sting is being booked as a heel whereas Bret is a face. Then there's the fact that Hogan never did anything to Sting in real life like Vince did. They simply had a long-standing rivalry in WCW. If they ignored that rivalry and pretended they were friends people would complain about their lack of consistency.

AJ and Flair isn't a copy of Triple H and Orton in any way. Triple H never one on one mentored Orton, it was as a part of a group. Triple H wasn't retired and putting Orton over as the champion and the best in the business, he was making him be his slave and he assaulted him the moment he won the title. If you'd said Flair and Triple H you might have had a vague shout but Triple H and Orton is just a silly comparison. But even so, a protege of a legend storyline isn't owned by WWE, it's been happening since wrestling was born.

There are only so many fundamental storylines in wrestling and there's obviously going to be repeating because of this. I don't think TNA outright copy WWE, they just use similar storylines, but so did WWE and WCW, and so do every wrestling company. If you could present me with a longer more established list of ways TNA has copied them I might concede to your point, but based on those three examples and my perception of them both I think it's an unfounded criticism.

 

[trendkiller]

Who doesn'T remember the famous Robert Rood owning Eric Young's contract storyline

Ted DiBiase. Get a history lesson, buddy.

or the Shark boy transformation into Stone Cold Shark Boy.

Gillberg ring a bell?

Everyone copies everyone else's storylines and angles, because there are only a fairly small number of stories in the world. Yes, Kevin Nash is often quoted as saying "there are only X number of angles", but he was paraphrasing a lot of people that came before him.

Here's a list of plots, by the way, to further enlighten you: http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.html

 

[dionlyone18]

You can even go further back to 2006 2007 when abyss had a falling out with his manager/father..father james..father james left and found his half brother..and they had these crazy stipulation matches for months and he wouldnt talk..rolled his eyes back in his head...came from the bottom of the ring to drag opponents down...hmmm that sounds like kane and undertaker fued when kane debuted during takers hiac match at bad blood.and they one more than one "screwjob" they did one a while back with jarrett.sooo yeah tna always talks about breaking away from wwe and being diffrent...but half the time there talking about half the things wwe is talking about.boss vs wrestler...calling out wwe on there shows..makking fun of the guest host.but look at wwe..they dont even notice tna..they donteven acknowledge tna...i think tna is biting off wayyyyy more than they can chew...

 

[JackBurton]

to be honest the only logical response to this "TNA rips off WWE's storylines" crap is indignation. WWE doesnt on the patent on "angles" or "storylines". The assertion that wrestling somehow began and ends with WWE and everything else is knock-off is frankly insulting to the companies that preceded WWE as the largest promotions.

Someone already stated that there are only really 4 or 5 actual wrestling storylines and after that you're drifting to towards imitation of other form of entertainment.

So that would mean WWE rips off 75% of their stuff from Days of our lifes or some other such form of TV show (predominately it seems to be Saturday night live they copy from) because they hardly ever have wrestling angles on their show. There's a ring, yes. There's wrestlers, yes. But how is a miscarriage a wrestling angle?

 

[Rasha]

To the person that said there are only 4-5 storylines in wrestling,due explain please.I was watching the God given Product that is Perfect in EVERY way I.E. The W W FREAKIN E,(Joking)I knew monday being the official start in the monday night wars part 2,i switch over to TNA,what do i see?...Dubya..Cee..Dubya....All over again.WHy? Because of Bischoff,flair,hogan,kevin nash,hall,pac,etc etc.Point being,if history shall repeat itself,WCW was a sinking ship..TNA is a Ship that never got out to sea because the captain did'nt have arms to stear the ship properly.TNA's Ratings were shit before hogan/flair/hardy/rvd and will continue to be.Its all about $$$$$$$ you fans think "Oh these guys are going againts mcmahon yadda yadda yadda cause righteousness,yadda yadda revenge" Bullshit,some of the performers yes i agree are doing that.But veterans who were relaxing getting burnt out thier mind(RVD) and taking insane amounts of somas (Hardy) are in it for the Moulah...No fabulous here..Juse JOEY..>FREAKIN...DICE

So as opposed to watching the old guys in TNA, the alternative is to turn to WWE and watch Vince McMahon fight Bret Hart and HBK pretend his legacy is dependent on beating the Undertaker? Or maybe I can enjoy two of the worst main event wrestlers in history like Cena and Batista?

Yes, there are plenty of holes in TNA's plan to try and fight the WWE using their current roster. But honestly, how tough is the competition right now? Cena has turned off most of the 21+ demographic. That's who TNA is after, the older fans who'd rather see some nostalgic moments with their favorites from the past coupled with the X-Division action.

That's what makes this "Monday Night War" different from the last one... the two companies really aren't going after the same audience. Vince wants the kids, and Dixie wants the young adults and up. As long as the pie is still big enough, both companies can succeed.

 

[CuddleBuns84]

Since Bischoff and Hogan came to TNA, it's been a complete rip off of the WWE. Hell it has been a rip off of the old WCW days as well.

Comparing WCW to TNA, isn't that fair. Because why? Because the WCW titles had meaning to it, and before Hogan got their, WCW already had some decent names, and when it went to Monday night, it was a prime time ratings deg-lore!!! There really no credibility to that TNA heavyweight championship. Horrible matches.

TNA has copied everything, nothing original. The Orlando Screw job. The Knockouts teasing us with sexual promise. Jay Lethal. The Main Event Mafia. Hell, most of the talent had a good five plus year run in the WWE. So the answer is yes, TNA is a copy. Nothing original.

 

[Rasha]

Wow, stop trying so hard. Girls have been teasing sexuality for thousands of years, so please don't give Vince credit for such an "original" concept. And the Mafia... how was that a copy of a WWE idea? Please don't tell me they were ripping off Evolution, because you know perfectly well that Evo was its own ripoff of the IV Horsemen.

You can't do anything new in wrestling anymore. You just hope to do something better. About 14 years ago, these two guys who were cool as hell teamed up to become badass heels that fans couldn't help but cheer. Hall and Nash were the cornerstone of the nWo. Over in WWF, they counter-punched by putting HBK and HHH together to form DX. Eventually, DX surpassed the Outsiders. WWF did it better, but it wasn't original.

 

[psykohurricane]

So as opposed to watching the old guys in TNA, the alternative is to turn to WWE and watch Vince McMahon fight Bret Hart and HBK pretend his legacy is dependent on beating the Undertaker? Or maybe I can enjoy two of the worst main event wrestlers in history like Cena and Batista?

Yes, there are plenty of holes in TNA's plan to try and fight the WWE using their current roster. But honestly, how tough is the competition right now? Cena has turned off most of the 21+ demographic. That's who TNA is after, the older fans who'd rather see some nostalgic moments with their favorites from the past coupled with the X-Division action.

That's what makes this "Monday Night War" different from the last one... the two companies really aren't going after the same audience. Vince wants the kids, and Dixie wants the young adults and up. As long as the pie is still big enough, both companies can succeed.

First of all, how do you know that Cena has turned off most of 21+ demographic, have you ask all of these peoples in this demographic or did you just based that statement on what peoples are writing on this board? Because that not what am seeing when i watch WWE programming and when a go to live events. As far as seeing Bret vs Vince. Batista vs Cena and HBK vs Undertaker, they all get praise for how interesting the storyline as gotten and 2 out of those 3 match will probably be considered match of the year by most expert like Dave meltzer and Bill Apter to say that the competition isn't tough right now shows how must of a TNA mark you are. If you don'T believe me just go on the WWE board or the Wrestlemania 26 board and you'll see what i mean.

TNA right now has plenty of holes likes you said and one of the main problems is recreating the same storylines that use to worked 10 years ago with guys that cannot work anymore. Ten years ago, a Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan match would have been a huge draw on T.V. even if the casual fans didn't know that WCW existed, they would have found out that the 2 biggest name in the industry would be wrestling on Nitro and the ratings would be huge. Now the same 2 guys in a tag match on TNA IMPACT is the lowest rated segment on the show. If TNA want the fans that used to watch during the attitude era, they will have to find something new to give them because one of the reason these fan left was because there wasn'T anything exiting anymore about the storylines and it seem just like copies of what they use to do. These fans have seen pretty much everything during that period and re-hasing the same stuff over and over again isn'T going to bring them back.

TNA as always been considered like WWE-lite because they like to copy what the WWE does with all the WWE leftovers wrestlers. When the nostalgia is over and the fan realise that they are watching the same product that the hated in the first, they will leave and then what for TNA. So TNA need to make interesting storyline, i don'T care if they use some old storylines to do it. Just use them correctly so that it doesn'T seem like it something that's been done before.

 

[crashfellow]

I don't know if you can really say they're copying WWE... no more then a face turning hell, or a heel turning face can be considered a 'copy' this has been happening as long as wrestling has been around...

I think TNA has been smart in not duplicating the WWE 'invasion' by WCW by having hogan and biscoff 'turning back and making a large group'.

I think they've actually been trying to avoid the duplications (other then the new 'screw job' they did... that however was very blatent and should never be used as a 'storyline' by anybody).

In general i think the avoiding of WWE style storylines is what makes them so different and interesting.

 

[ARobb21]

WWE took a lot of storylines from WCW during the 90s. DX is just a rip-off of nWo, Perry Saturn and "Moppy" was a rip-off of Chavo and "Pepe". Need I go on?

As someone said earlier, there are pretty much no original angles anymore..

If anything, TNA is becoming a reincarnation of WCW.

 

[ARobb21]

Foley is not a world title talent, nor has he ever been. He's the comical tweener who feuds with heels and faces alike.

But I do agree. AJ is a devout Christian, and he looks like he's surrounded by a bunch of nude homosexuals when he's with Flair's ladies. If he had mic skills, he'd be awesome, but alas. Abyss should have stayed as the monster heel he was when James Mitchell was his manager/mouthpiece.

While Jeff Hardy can attract the younger audiences, he's also terrible on the stick (IMO), and the kids only like him because they've grown up with him. Has he ever been a heel, apart from the "New Brood"? RVD looked good, and is a possible World Title contender, and if what I hear is true about Joe (he's slimming down), he could be pushed as a Brock Lesnar-esque heel.

 

[twentytwo]

Like a bell going off in my head I finally figured out TNA.

TNA is getting robbed blind right now. What's happening to Dixie Carter and Panda Energy is border line criminal. They're being robbed right before our eyes by Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan and all their friends.

Totally serious.

I am 100% convinced that neither Hulk Hogan or Eric Bischoff believes for one second that they will ever -

* beat or even threaten the WWE/Vince

* take any fans from the WWE

* increase the ratings to anything short of continued failure

I'm convinced they are more than sure that TNA will continue to get 1.1 to sub 1.0 ratings just like they have been forever, no matter what ex-WWE wrestlers they sign, no matter who they bring in or bring back or push or don't push etc...etc...etc...

The good news for Hogan and Bishcoff is that in the meantime, they and their friends get PAID.

Paid big time. You know damn well Hogan is making serious bucks and Bischoff probably is too. And the Nasty Boys? Jimmy Hart? Hall? Waltman? Who else is going to give these losers money? Nobody. Nobody but Dixie Carter because for whatever reason she's been buying whatever bullshit it is that Hogan and Bischoff are feeding her.

TNA is getting used right now. It's nothing more than a front for a well organized robbery by Bischoff and Hogan.

Hogan and Bischoff have no plans to challenge the WWE. They have no plans to help TNA become more popular, or recognizable, or important to anyone. Their job is simple. Continue to convince Dixie Carter and whoever else is in charge of paying them that everything is just fine, and going as planned - aka - keep getting PAID. Keep getting paid long enough until they wake the hell up and pull the plug, just like Turner did.

It's the only logical explanation for what we've seen since Hogan arrived.

They go up against RAW, get killed, get a sub 1.0 rating and Eric Bishcoff puts a positive spin on that?

Wonder how much his paycheck was for putting that .98 show together?

So there it is. If you are a TNA fan I'd advise you really think about what I'm saying here. This isn't TNA hate. This is a business analysis.

This is like two guys who pulled off the greatest bank robbery of all time in WCW, went to prison, got out, and now their doing it again in TNA.

Hogan and Bischoff have one agenda and one only. Get paid. Get their friends paid. And if every now and then they have to act like they really are interested in pushing new talent give someone like the Pope the rub, then quickly go back to focusing the show on Hogan and Bischoff and Hall and Nash and the Nasty Boys etc..etc..etc...

Get paid for as long as possible. Then when they shut the doors, find the next sorry ass sap to give you money. After all, before they talked TNA into paying them, Hogan and Bischoff were searching high and low for investors anywhere to pay them. Difference is then, no one was dumb enough to do it.

Then TNA came along and here we are.

 

[Low_Ki]

Interesting analysis, but to be honest, one that has already been discussed many-a-time by fans all over the world.

Now why I do partially do agree, I believe that Hogan and Bischoff are trying their best to get the company good ratings. The problem lies with the fact that all of this 'jumping ship' attitude has been done before. And unfortunately for TNA, once that kind of thing has been done once, the effect that it had on its audience can never be replicated.

It seems like no matter what TNA does to draw an audience, I don't think that they will ever be able to get WWE fans to switch programming. And on that point you are right. A 1.0 rating for the first Monday night weekly time slot is terrible. There is no covering that up. It seems that even with Hogan as their last roll of the dice, it doesn't look like its going to happen.

Even if they did draw a 1.4 on January 4th, the majority of the new audience was only curious to see the surprises on the night, and they weren't going to convert into regular viewers of the product.

Do I think that Hogan and Bischoff and Co. are getting paid handsomely? Of course, but at the time Dixie Carter looked at them as the saving graces of the company, the men who were going to expand the product. Can they do that now? Maybe, maybe not, who knows. But obviously that is a decision that is left solely in the hands of TNA management. But as far as stealing from TNA goes, if the heads of TNA are stupid enough to pay big bucks, then the blame should lie with them.

 

[rocksuperstarkaos]

Sad part is 99% of the TNA fans knew this was going to happen, just because they went and brought in Hulk Hogan didn't mean they were going to compete, they're biggest mistake was gonig head to head with WWE, they should have waited until they had a bigger following. WCW in the mid 90's had a much bigger following when they went head to head, TNA is looking like ECW, unfortunately they're looking like WCW in 200, 2001.

 

[justice]

I'm with twentytwo on this one. This is a robbing. Last night I was watching raws first segment with Austin and Cena, two icons of this business in the ring together(even if it was for a second). Then I flipped to tna to see four old fat dudes(nasty boyz and dudleyz in some kind of match). This happened again at the end when you had mcmahon, hart and austin in the ring together, then you flip over to see Abyss get magical powers from his ring, AWFUL!!!! It just showed the difference between these two companies. The fact that the nasty boys get tv time is a crime, but since their hogans friends......I love Sting, Angle, Hardy, RVD, but tna has become hogans playground and it is a crime.

 

[pgerasucks]

Like a bell going off in my head I finally figured out TNA.

TNA is getting robbed blind right now. What's happening to Dixie Carter and Panda Energy is border line criminal. They're being robbed right before our eyes by Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan and all their friends.

Totally serious.

I am 100% convinced that neither Hulk Hogan or Eric Bischoff believes for one second that they will ever -

* beat or even threaten the WWE/Vince

* take any fans from the WWE

* increase the ratings to anything short of continued failure

I'm convinced they are more than sure that TNA will continue to get 1.1 to sub 1.0 ratings just like they have been forever, no matter what ex-WWE wrestlers they sign, no matter who they bring in or bring back or push or don't push etc...etc...etc...

The good news for Hogan and Bishcoff is that in the meantime, they and their friends get PAID.

Paid big time. You know damn well Hogan is making serious bucks and Bischoff probably is too. And the Nasty Boys? Jimmy Hart? Hall? Waltman? Who else is going to give these losers money? Nobody. Nobody but Dixie Carter because for whatever reason she's been buying whatever bullshit it is that Hogan and Bischoff are feeding her.

TNA is getting used right now. It's nothing more than a front for a well organized robbery by Bischoff and Hogan.

Hogan and Bischoff have no plans to challenge the WWE. They have no plans to help TNA become more popular, or recognizable, or important to anyone. Their job is simple. Continue to convince Dixie Carter and whoever else is in charge of paying them that everything is just fine, and going as planned - aka - keep getting PAID. Keep getting paid long enough until they wake the hell up and pull the plug, just like Turner did.

It's the only logical explanation for what we've seen since Hogan arrived.

They go up against RAW, get killed, get a sub 1.0 rating and Eric Bishcoff puts a positive spin on that?

Wonder how much his paycheck was for putting that .98 show together?

So there it is. If you are a TNA fan I'd advise you really think about what I'm saying here. This isn't TNA hate. This is a business analysis.

This is like two guys who pulled off the greatest bank robbery of all time in WCW, went to prison, got out, and now their doing it again in TNA.

Hogan and Bischoff have one agenda and one only. Get paid. Get their friends paid. And if every now and then they have to act like they really are interested in pushing new talent give someone like the Pope the rub, then quickly go back to focusing the show on Hogan and Bischoff and Hall and Nash and the Nasty Boys etc..etc..etc...

Get paid for as long as possible. Then when they shut the doors, find the next sorry ass sap to give you money. After all, before they talked TNA into paying them, Hogan and Bischoff were searching high and low for investors anywhere to pay them. Difference is then, no one was dumb enough to do it.

Then TNA came along and here we are.

well first let me start off with your a dumbass if they had no plans to challenge them why would they go to monday nights you just made yourself sound stupid you act like hogan and bischoff just came in unwanted like dixie carter isnt the boss anymore remember this is professional wrestling we are talking about here everything you see on screen isnt whats happening back stage dixie is still in charge and she has to give the final ok if they only wanted a paycheck then why wouldnt they go to wwe were they give out really big ones i bet its really easy to sit there in your living room eating cereal acting like you have all kind of connections and act like you know what goes on back stage and in the meetings its people like you that boil my blood once you know what your talking about come back and post buddy

sincerely the dumbass killer

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Hogan and Bischoff have only been in the company for three months and everybody is jumping to conclusions and accusations. The ratings for TNA may not be to everyone's liking but they are trying to improve and put on a better product. Everyone whines and complains about how the old guys are taking over and not putting the younger guys over. Just shut up with that. Hogan and Flair are working with Abyss and AJ Styles. Sting is working with RVD and Angle is putting over Mr. Anderson. Morgan and Hernandez are the tag team champions and Doug Williams is the X-Division champion.

As much as I don't like the Nasty Boys, they are not taking up that much time every week. Quit whining and enjoy what is being put in front of you. The young guys are still getting their time and being put over by the older guys which happens each and every year. Give TNA with Hogan and Bischoff a couple of years and see what happens before you fly off the handle.

 

[Lil_Rick]

I am new here but let me start by saying the guy who posted this thread is a full blown TARD! TNA are not footing the bill for Hogan & Bischoff, SpikeTV is! Yes Spike, Dixie, Eazy-E, & everyone else in the organization want to see the !mpact outdraw WWE, there is NO grand conspiracy! I am not a mark for TNA as i have watched WWE as long as i can remember but over the past 6 months i have been slowly "crossing the line"... In fact last night, for the first time ever i didn't even care about Raw, i didn't even DVR it cuz i could care less. Even with STSA i could care less... Over the past 2 weeks in TNA i have seen the wrestling i have been missing for 5-6 years.. I have officially turned in my WWcrap card and will be a creature of the night!!!! If that makes me a "mark" so be it!!! I'd rather mark for TNA than be a WWCrapTard!!!

 

[Mark0820]

You know why TNA drew a 1.0? THEY ARE GOING UP AGAINST RAW 3 WEEKS BEFORE WRESTLEMANIA. Did anyone think they were going to pull viewers from Raw less than a month before the biggest show of the year? I sure as hell didn't. Raw's been at it's strongest in a long, long time right now, so is Smackdown. TNA is never going to compete with Raw when Vince is doing his best to put out great tv, which he is right now.

 

[axl626]

This is ridiculous. TNA has been putting on a better show than Raw every week so far and if you give them more than a month or two, maybe 6, then we will start to see where they are going and how to judge them. Also, as Mark0820 said, this is three weeks before the biggest wrestling event of the year. Whether or not it will deserve this is to be seen. With such a quick judgment ad bad foresight you could probably get a job as an NBC executive.

 

[thedriffter50]

To be honest i knew this would happen in fact i wouldnt be surprised if Vince told Hogan to go to TNA to destroy it from the inside and with Eric Bishoff who is bitter enemy with Vince this is a stroke of genious that TNA doesnt expect coming...Hogan and his cronies are getting paid millions just for a average rating of 1.0. the sad thing is i wanted TNA to win the war against Raw but to be honest i wont mind TNA going down because of their stupidity...either way win or lose im glad what happens other then WWE will be worse then ever before...

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

YES!! Another TNA super-mark complaining about TNA's direction. These kind of post's used to annoy me, but now, I look for them. I search them out. I find them so funny, I just can't help myself.

Is Hogan self-serving? Yes, totally. Is Bischoff? Yes, totally. Is this a grand scheme, a heist?? NO. They want to get paid, true. But if they want to get paid for any length of time, they will HAVE to do something positive with TNA.

And as for complaining about his buddies; get over it, you baby. The Nasty Boys have done NOTHING besides battle an equally terrible tag team. Who is not getting TV time that you would like to see?? Everyone gets equal tv time, outside of main eventers. Sure, I agree that last nights match between Jimmy Hart and the Nastys taking on Team 3D, with Spike was GOD awful. Shouldn't have been on tv. But is it any worse than watching the Great Khali or Hornswaggle? Do WWE fans threaten to stop watching just because a match isn't a TOTAL SPOT FEST??? No.

TNA should have waited until after Mania to move to Monday nights. But they didn't. Do I think that is a fatal mistake? Probably not, but only time will tell. I love how after EVERY SINGLE episode of Impact, whether it be on Monday or Thursday, some dumbass smark comes on here and makes some CRAZY assertion that the world is about to end, because GOD FORBID, the F*****G Nasty Boys were on TV.

Oh, and by the way...

well first let me start off with your a dumbass if they had no plans to challenge them why would they go to monday nights you just made yourself sound stupid you act like hogan and bischoff just came in unwanted like dixie carter isnt the boss anymore remember this is professional wrestling we are talking about here everything you see on screen isnt whats happening back stage dixie is still in charge and she has to give the final ok if they only wanted a paycheck then why wouldnt they go to wwe were they give out really big ones i bet its really easy to sit there in your living room eating cereal acting like you have all kind of connections and act like you know what goes on back stage and in the meetings its people like you that boil my blood once you know what your talking about come back and post buddy

sincerely the dumbass killer

If YOU CAN'T TYPE, do not call someone ELSE a dumbass.

 

[Suneeboy]

Good thread, but bad analysis. I thought I would come in here and see an analysis of how Bischoff and Hogan are taking up just WAY too much television time, and how they need to take a SERIOUS back seat. However, I come in and read a juvenile analysis of how they are literally trying to “steal” money from a company for no reason other than pure greed, as if they are the evil villainous leeches of the wrestling business.

I’m not the smartest guy in the world, but I’ve noticed that a lot of wrestling fans are dumb as shit. So many people are unable to articulate a coherent sentence that allows me to at least respect their opinion even if I disagree. In this day and age instead of trying to be smarks, it is important to ensure that you realize that you are watching a live action television show, and put the political bullshit and forum posts behind you. Stop thinking you know everything and just watch wrestling and talk about the show, not the bullshit you “think” is going on that has no real value, and is just mindless gossip.

Bischoff and Hogan are not stealing. They already have the contract, now they have a job to do. They can be fired you know.

 

[UseYourBrain]

I knock Hogan but I do think that in his own way, he's trying to get TNA really up and going. I just think his efforts come off as clumsy and awkward because in reality, he doesn't have much experience making stars. Of all the great wrestlers, Hogan has done less for other people than anybody. He's trying to turn it around now I think... but he doesn't have a clue how to do it.