JBL disagrees with this statement. He is impartial as anyone. Unlucky!!!!
No dont give Ryback the title yet, give him a shot and have Punk DQ'd. Punk vs Rock at The Rumble looks like a lock, or at least it did until last week. Punk or Cena vs Rock.
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JBL disagrees with this statement. He is impartial as anyone. Unlucky!!!!
No dont give Ryback the title yet, give him a shot and have Punk DQ'd. Punk vs Rock at The Rumble looks like a lock, or at least it did until last week. Punk or Cena vs Rock.
HereComesThePain53
Dark Match Winner
Did you REALLY just say that? Are you serious? What the fuck has Ryback done to deserve a title shot? Who the fuck has he beaten that's actually BEEN champ? I like Ryback but he doesn't deserve a title shot yet. He hasn't been there long enough and he hasn't won any titles yet to deserve it. And don't get me started on your last commentRyback=Punk? Punk is miles ahead of Ryback as far as mic skills go and as far as skill Ryback is no match for Punk. Ryback is strong but that doesn't make him better. Not by a long shot. His cowardly behavior? He's a fucking heel! What do you expect?
Ryback's undefeated and will be undefeated as he continues to face more talented superstars. He's in the process of being a huge star - he has the "it" factor that Ziggy sandow rhodes and all those idiots lack. You've never heard Ryback actually talk so don't attack his mic skills if he never talked - he will. And yeah I know he's a fucking heel, but I expected him to be a clean heel, a strong heel, a ruthless heel. Now, Punk is just like any ordinary heel; winning dirty.
SuperKick36
Pre-Show Stalwart
Did you read my main post?
1. I said NOT to give him the title yet, and build him up while TRYING to get the shot.
2. Ryback is certainly the most exciting NEW character in the WWE.
3. How long did people do the "You Can't See Me" thing...?? OH WAIT! THEY STILL ARE! ALL of the Rock's stuff? STILL INTO IT. It depends on how the crowd buys into "Feed Me More" and how frequently it is used AND how Ryback is built up.
4. You're righ; Ryback is not relatable... he's not SUPPOSED to be. He's not being built as the face of the WWE (which is typically one of, if not THE only relatable character). Let's start with these examples of (a few, not in any order) popular stars that were/are not entirely "relatable": Andre. Nash. Big Show. Legion of Doom. Warrior. Kane. Undertaker. Lesnar. Batista. GOLDBERG.
^^^Those are just off the top of my head.
5. The crowd pops for Ryback because he IS something newer, he's got a unique monster-gimmick going on. He's big, powerful, and when he's debuting he's NOT debuting as a face, and is getting a good reaction. How often does this happen?
Like I said, give Ryback some time. Keep him near the title picture, but don't even give him a shot yet. Ryback NEEDS to keep winning, slowly but surely beating bigger and bigger stars, matches becoming more and more difficult... this will get the crowd "HUNGRY" for more (pun intended).
i agree i think ryback should not get the title shot yet let him stay undefeated for as long as its intresting if he does have to face punk at hell in a cell have punk cut a promo saying that if he has to face ryback then its gonna b a non title match inside hell in a cell let ryback destroy him then have punk refuse to face him again untill ryback beats a bunch of wrestlers who punk decides then when he drops the title at thr rumble to rock and cena wins the rumble so u got rock vs cena 2 then have punk come out at the next raw bitching about how he was cheated out of the title by a has been being the rock then ryback comes out says finish him and points to the wrestlemania sign then you got punk vs ryback at mania aswell butalso chuck them in elimination chamber as 2 of the particiments but we know rock wont b in it so it will b a number 1 contender match for the 1st ppv after mania and have ryback,punk,barret,kane,d.bryanand orton(as the whole smackdown/raw seems to have gone back to everyone fighting on both shows have ryback win then at mania he beats punk then beats cena at extreme rules as i think thats the 1st papper view after mania have him feud with punk again till about the 4th ppv of the year then let someone new like wade barret take the wwe title and give ryback his 1st loss
You can't give Ryback the title until after Wrestlemania, in my opinion. I'm struggling to think of what you do with him from now until after WM without involving the title since you can't keep feeding him jobbers til then but think about it.
Let's say Ryback gets the shot and wins at HIAC, then what? He would have to lose it sometime before the Royal Rumble unless you are going to put him up against The Rock. That doesn't make too much sense now does it? The same scenario goes for Survivor Series and TLC. Basically, the moment you give Ryback the title, the days of him being undefeated are limited. I don't think WWE creative can handle that just yet.
So I say keep Ryback away from the title til after WM, then you have the rest of the summer/year to build a storyline with him chasing and possibly winning the title.
Let's say Ryback gets the shot and wins at HIAC, then what? He would have to lose it sometime before the Royal Rumble unless you are going to put him up against The Rock. That doesn't make too much sense now does it? The same scenario goes for Survivor Series and TLC. Basically, the moment you give Ryback the title, the days of him being undefeated are limited. I don't think WWE creative can handle that just yet.
So I say keep Ryback away from the title til after WM, then you have the rest of the summer/year to build a storyline with him chasing and possibly winning the title.
AndThat'sTheBottomLine
I am the
What do you define as the 'it' factor? He has intensity, he has power but what is the 'it' factor? The 'it' factor is where you draw the fans in and keep them trained on your every move. Why do you think Ziggler, Sandow, and Rhodes get boos from casual fans and cheers from us despite all being heels? Yes I agree Ryback is good. Hell I like Ryback I want him to win the title EVENTUALLY. NOT RIGHT NOW. It's way too early in his career for him to win the big one. He's still a little green around the edges and you expected Punk to be a clean heel? There's no such thing anymore and besides that Punk doesn't use outside interference in his matches, he doesn't cheat. He's more Ric Flair than anything. He runs from Ryback to get Ryback over as a legit threat to the title unless Cena is healthy. Punk is a ruthless heel. Ask King and JR and Foley. Your right, Ryback has yet to say a word on the mic. I was referring to your comparison to Punk which there is no way you can make that comparison because the two are completely different. Ryback relies on power while Punk relies on skill. Punk is one of the best talkers today while Ryback has yet to utter a word on the mic. You said 'Ryback=New CM Punk" Easily the worst comparison of to superstars I have ever seen. That is what I initially what prompted me to reply.
if the Rock wins the title at the Rumble, doesn't the champ have to defend once every 30 days? will Rock have 2 or 3 matches prior to WM? kinda lame if WWE doesn't have their champ defending and not on Raw every week.
Also, kinda lame if Ryback is getting a title shot after beating no one. Goldberg probably got the WCW title too soon and he at least had some big PPV matches prior to that.
Also, kinda lame if Ryback is getting a title shot after beating no one. Goldberg probably got the WCW title too soon and he at least had some big PPV matches prior to that.
Personally, I think they should turn Ryback heel instead, though not right away. Let the fans Rally get behind him, then have him attack Cena and join with Heyman. This allows Cena to take time off to heal while Punk can turn heel (saying he made the mistake of listening to Heyman in the first place). Heyman can speak for Ryback as he destroys one opponent after another.
Then, after several months, either Cena stops him once and for all or Punk does. I just think Ryback would be more interesting as a destructive monster than his current role, which resembles the Ultimate Warrior more than Goldberg (At least Goldberg had a bigger arsenal of moves).
Just some thoughts on what I'd like to see.
Then, after several months, either Cena stops him once and for all or Punk does. I just think Ryback would be more interesting as a destructive monster than his current role, which resembles the Ultimate Warrior more than Goldberg (At least Goldberg had a bigger arsenal of moves).
Just some thoughts on what I'd like to see.
theBec2101
Championship Contender
I dont think they are going to have Punk drop the belt to Ryback. I think Ryback will win by DQ or to where it doesnt affect his streak. I think they will wait till Rumble if he does drop it. But even then he may retain. But I do agree they do not need to make Pyback WWE champ so soon. You dont want him to flop. Plus if you rush it, you are risking the chances of creative coming up with anything to go with. Look at what happened to Swagger.
WWE is going to run into a big problem with the Ryback if they don't modify his push a bit. Right now, they're doing the Goldberg-style push, where you have him squash everybody so that he doesn't have to work longer than a couple of minutes and possibly blow up or expose his lack of ability. You can get a guy over that way, but if the Ryback never has to work a longer match or if he never has to sell for anybody, this whole thing will flop. Right now, the character is based on not having to be in a position to sell for anybody. So, if you put the title on him any time soon, and have him squash everybody on his way there, you're going to have a champion who can't or won't be able to work a decent main event, and his run as champion will be a dismal failure. Honestly, they'd be better off basing the Ryback's push on the Ultimate Warrior who'd sell beatings until his big comeback.
Teddy Irving
Pre-Show Stalwart
How exactly do you win by DQ in a Hell in the Cell match which in itself is a no DQ match? If Ryback faces Punk at the HitC ppv one of them has to lose because there is no DQ. Punk wont be losing because Ryback is not ready to be the champ yet so it will have to be Ryback that loses.
Besides this is all just speculation because we can't be sure who Punk will face. Personally I think he should have faced Foley, one of the three men I would automatically associate with HitC the other 2 being Undertaker and HHH.
Besides this is all just speculation because we can't be sure who Punk will face. Personally I think he should have faced Foley, one of the three men I would automatically associate with HitC the other 2 being Undertaker and HHH.
PagingMr.ass
Occasional Pre-Show
I too agree with most that it's too early for a Ryback title reign, however its not as far fetched as people imagine.
Here are the facts.
1) Legit insider reports say Vince is outraged at Punk right now for hitting the fan, not to mention their support for the anti-bullying adds, their champ being plastered on mainstream news for striking an innocent and defenseless fan is horrible for business.
2) Vince is a Ryback mark.
3) Vince is on the warpath trying to shake things up creatively by releasing writers, execs, etc. A Ryback title win defines shaking things up.
And as far as people saying Ryback doesn't deserve it, that really doesn't matter. Sheamus won the WWE title by getting a clean victory over John Cena through a table very early on in his career, and if Vince will have Cena put a rookie over, he has no problem making Punk do it. A lot of people say Ryback has only beaten a punch of no-names, but Sheamus' only claim to fame was at that point was ending Jamie Knoble's career.
So yes i think its too soon, but wouldn't be shocked at all if Ryback gets the title, However he might not be in the match at all, Having Punk choose Cena because he's too scared to fight Ryback would put him over aswell.
Here are the facts.
1) Legit insider reports say Vince is outraged at Punk right now for hitting the fan, not to mention their support for the anti-bullying adds, their champ being plastered on mainstream news for striking an innocent and defenseless fan is horrible for business.
2) Vince is a Ryback mark.
3) Vince is on the warpath trying to shake things up creatively by releasing writers, execs, etc. A Ryback title win defines shaking things up.
And as far as people saying Ryback doesn't deserve it, that really doesn't matter. Sheamus won the WWE title by getting a clean victory over John Cena through a table very early on in his career, and if Vince will have Cena put a rookie over, he has no problem making Punk do it. A lot of people say Ryback has only beaten a punch of no-names, but Sheamus' only claim to fame was at that point was ending Jamie Knoble's career.
So yes i think its too soon, but wouldn't be shocked at all if Ryback gets the title, However he might not be in the match at all, Having Punk choose Cena because he's too scared to fight Ryback would put him over aswell.
I wish WrestleZone would post a poll in the main page asking whether or not people think Ryback deserves the match and/or the title or not. There seems to be a very mixed response to him. I don't think he's ready yet, I want to see him talk and I want to see him wrestle a ten minute match before he gets any title. I guess I'm old fashioned though... It's just I remember it being a prerequisite that a champion be able to talk before holding the title. Also, the guys been on the active roster as Ryback for less than a year, it's hardly fair to all the other guys who have been working their way up as a midcarder for so long.
Fisheatppl
Pre-Show Stalwart
There is a chance Ryback will have a WWE Championship match in the next few weeks. While him winning/losing is for another thread, I thought it would be interesting to get ideas on what we would like to see from Ryback before a title match takes place.
I for one would like to see a good promo. I haven't seen one yet, at least not a real one. I understand Brock Lesnar didn't need to talk, but he had a mouthpiece, Ryback doesn't. The last thing I'd want is for it to be the week before HIAC, and finally Ryback cuts a promo about the match, and it is so bad and embarassing (like Brock Lesnars w/HHH) that he starts to get boo'd and not taken seriously. Or even worse, that they actually let him win, then he comes out the next night on Raw and cuts a horrendous promo that everyone watching takes a step back and goes "oh crap, this is bad". We know he has the strength and the look, but what if he comes out like John Morrison? Unconfindent and shaky?
What do you think?
I for one would like to see a good promo. I haven't seen one yet, at least not a real one. I understand Brock Lesnar didn't need to talk, but he had a mouthpiece, Ryback doesn't. The last thing I'd want is for it to be the week before HIAC, and finally Ryback cuts a promo about the match, and it is so bad and embarassing (like Brock Lesnars w/HHH) that he starts to get boo'd and not taken seriously. Or even worse, that they actually let him win, then he comes out the next night on Raw and cuts a horrendous promo that everyone watching takes a step back and goes "oh crap, this is bad". We know he has the strength and the look, but what if he comes out like John Morrison? Unconfindent and shaky?
What do you think?
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
More horrendous than "Feed Me?" All that's missing is the word Seymour...
He is pretty bad on the mic, but so was Goldberg. What Vince is going for is that dominant guy who doesn't need to talk, just batters people. It's very shortsighted and I think we need a Y2J/Jeff Hardy"reversed decision" route, where he "wins the title" only for the instant replay thing to come in and thus Punk retains... He doesn't "lose" the match as such but Punk's feet are on the ropes or similar so the title win is invalid. Depending on the pop that'll judge whether Ryback gets the belt anytime soon.
He is pretty bad on the mic, but so was Goldberg. What Vince is going for is that dominant guy who doesn't need to talk, just batters people. It's very shortsighted and I think we need a Y2J/Jeff Hardy"reversed decision" route, where he "wins the title" only for the instant replay thing to come in and thus Punk retains... He doesn't "lose" the match as such but Punk's feet are on the ropes or similar so the title win is invalid. Depending on the pop that'll judge whether Ryback gets the belt anytime soon.
#hamler
That's all folks.
I'm still a firm believer that a wrestler doesn't need to talk to be a success in any wrestling promotion; especially with a solid character like Ryback's.
Anyone remember when Kharma finally spoke on her final night on RAW, it took something away from her character. I don't want the same happening to Ryback. He doesn't need a mouthpiece or promo time, let his character mature on its own without talking. For example there have been numerous of stars throughout WWE's history that have gotten over on shitty mic skills; Batista and Jeff Hardy spring to my mind. These two are probably in the five biggest faces of the last decade, yet they couldn’t talk. They were hugely over not because of their mic skills but their unique personas - this is the case with Ryback. Let his actions do the talking and I’m willing to bet he’ll go far in the WWE.
Anyone remember when Kharma finally spoke on her final night on RAW, it took something away from her character. I don't want the same happening to Ryback. He doesn't need a mouthpiece or promo time, let his character mature on its own without talking. For example there have been numerous of stars throughout WWE's history that have gotten over on shitty mic skills; Batista and Jeff Hardy spring to my mind. These two are probably in the five biggest faces of the last decade, yet they couldn’t talk. They were hugely over not because of their mic skills but their unique personas - this is the case with Ryback. Let his actions do the talking and I’m willing to bet he’ll go far in the WWE.
Honestly, I'm very surprised that WWE is still going for a Ryback kind of character after all of the good things (besides the negative) the media has been saying about wrestlers like CM Punk.
What does a character like Ryback say to a casual viewer that sees themselves as too mature for their product? They can say all they want that it's a product that mainly appeals to kids, but that's far from true with how much attention they want from mass media outlets.
CM Punk may not be able to convince a lot of people that he can beat The Big Show, but he is an articulate speaker and a fantastic entertainer. And now, he's being paired with a guy whose vocabulary may be below 10 words? It doesn't help that every casual viewer that watches wrestling sees the Ryback character and immediately makes fun of him, and the crowd for repeating the same three words over and over again while flailing their arms.
You think The Rock got popular only because he looked the part? No. It's because he was funny, and a great entertainer that appealed to the majority of the viewing audience.
With Ryback, you have a guy that has a name that's pretty damn hard to take seriously. At least CM Punk was explainable. Ryback won't help the ratings, he'll only hurt them. He's exactly what the news anchor that interviewed Punk was talking about when he said to Punk, "I'm really surprised by how articulate you are. I envision most wrestlers as hulks."
What we need from Ryback? Someone who doesn't make a viewer feel like their IQ is lowering just by giving him their attention. Someone who can actually connect with a crowd besides exploiting the fact that they enjoy chanting and flailing their arms. As of right now, Ryback isn't even close to what Vince thinks he's looking for.
What does a character like Ryback say to a casual viewer that sees themselves as too mature for their product? They can say all they want that it's a product that mainly appeals to kids, but that's far from true with how much attention they want from mass media outlets.
CM Punk may not be able to convince a lot of people that he can beat The Big Show, but he is an articulate speaker and a fantastic entertainer. And now, he's being paired with a guy whose vocabulary may be below 10 words? It doesn't help that every casual viewer that watches wrestling sees the Ryback character and immediately makes fun of him, and the crowd for repeating the same three words over and over again while flailing their arms.
You think The Rock got popular only because he looked the part? No. It's because he was funny, and a great entertainer that appealed to the majority of the viewing audience.
With Ryback, you have a guy that has a name that's pretty damn hard to take seriously. At least CM Punk was explainable. Ryback won't help the ratings, he'll only hurt them. He's exactly what the news anchor that interviewed Punk was talking about when he said to Punk, "I'm really surprised by how articulate you are. I envision most wrestlers as hulks."
What we need from Ryback? Someone who doesn't make a viewer feel like their IQ is lowering just by giving him their attention. Someone who can actually connect with a crowd besides exploiting the fact that they enjoy chanting and flailing their arms. As of right now, Ryback isn't even close to what Vince thinks he's looking for.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I really don't think Ryback needs to talk much to get over, the guy looks like a freakin' serial killer so really what more do you need? If Ryback can connect and work the crowd without the use of a mic then there is no need for him to use the mic. So far he's done fine without the mic so no reason to change that now.
Ryback is about as simple as it gets, come out, kick ass, say a few sound bytes, wins and leaves, simple formula that can work wonders if done right. I've said it before and I'll say it again: As of right now Ryback is the WWE's best chance for profit when Cena's time is up. If you slowly build him for a few years and turn him into a monster face that no one wants to wrestle because they fear for their lives then people will eat it up when he actually gets that opportunity.
What they did on RAW is a perfect first step. CM Punk now has to choose between Cena and Ryback, with Punk picking Cena it now gives the impression the champ wants no part of Ryback because he knows the second he steps in the ring with him his title reign is over. Now you keep on doing that, you have the people with the mic skills sell Ryback, have them try and avoid any confrontation with Ryback and just keep building him that way, its simple yet effective.
Goldberg could have went easily another 2 years if he was booked correctly. WCW was building Goldberg up very well then all of a sudden they have Hogan fight Goldberg with 3 days notice and Goldberg becomes the main guy just like that. If they waited 6 months until Starrcade with having Hogan do everything in his power to keep him astray then it would have meant so much more when Goldberg finally DID beat Hogan. Just look at the year before with Sting. For a year Sting kept coming out, destroying the nWo, never said a thing and people ate it up. Don't quote me on this but I think Starrcade '97 was the biggest buy rate WCW ever had.
Taker went YEARS as a top guy with saying less than Ryback does now, Ultimate Warrior went years with making zero sense, Goldberg said jack and became the most over guy on the roster. These were all done in different era's and each time it worked and rest assured it can work again.
You execute his build good than you will get good results from Ryback. If you rush it and have him beat Punk at HIAC then Ryback is finished my Royal Rumble.
Building a wrestler is a lot like solving a Physics 20 problem worth 10 marks. 2 marks are for getting the right answer and 8 marks are for how you got to that conclusion.
Ryback is about as simple as it gets, come out, kick ass, say a few sound bytes, wins and leaves, simple formula that can work wonders if done right. I've said it before and I'll say it again: As of right now Ryback is the WWE's best chance for profit when Cena's time is up. If you slowly build him for a few years and turn him into a monster face that no one wants to wrestle because they fear for their lives then people will eat it up when he actually gets that opportunity.
What they did on RAW is a perfect first step. CM Punk now has to choose between Cena and Ryback, with Punk picking Cena it now gives the impression the champ wants no part of Ryback because he knows the second he steps in the ring with him his title reign is over. Now you keep on doing that, you have the people with the mic skills sell Ryback, have them try and avoid any confrontation with Ryback and just keep building him that way, its simple yet effective.
Goldberg could have went easily another 2 years if he was booked correctly. WCW was building Goldberg up very well then all of a sudden they have Hogan fight Goldberg with 3 days notice and Goldberg becomes the main guy just like that. If they waited 6 months until Starrcade with having Hogan do everything in his power to keep him astray then it would have meant so much more when Goldberg finally DID beat Hogan. Just look at the year before with Sting. For a year Sting kept coming out, destroying the nWo, never said a thing and people ate it up. Don't quote me on this but I think Starrcade '97 was the biggest buy rate WCW ever had.
Taker went YEARS as a top guy with saying less than Ryback does now, Ultimate Warrior went years with making zero sense, Goldberg said jack and became the most over guy on the roster. These were all done in different era's and each time it worked and rest assured it can work again.
You execute his build good than you will get good results from Ryback. If you rush it and have him beat Punk at HIAC then Ryback is finished my Royal Rumble.
Building a wrestler is a lot like solving a Physics 20 problem worth 10 marks. 2 marks are for getting the right answer and 8 marks are for how you got to that conclusion.
#hamler
That's all folks.
Every casual fan? Like my brother's wife who knows little about wrestling called Ryback a beast. I just poked a hole in your every casual fan theory.
Like Jeff Hardy appealed to every audience member? Hardy was an outcast his entire life. Honestly, Jeff's down right weird. He was super over for the majority of his second WWE run. Judging from the massive cheers, and the incredible lack of boos, Rybacks appealing to the masses.
Ryan Reeves. Ryan. Ry. Ryback. Ryan. Ryback. Since when does a name have to be explained to be taken seriously?
Exaplain. Live audiences cheer the living crap out of him.
Wrestling will always have its stereotypes. Always. Wrestlers will always be roided up freaks no matter how big or small they are. Remember when Chris Brown said Punk himself was on steroids? Brown obviously knew nothing about wrestling; like this news anchor.
I get it - there are Ryback haters out there. But Ryback's quickly grown into one of the most over faces on the WWE roster. If his heat remains consistent as it has been over the last few months, he deserves all the spotlight he can get. As it has been shown, Ryback doesn't need a mic to remain over.
evolutionfan4life
Dark Match Jobber
ryback doesnt need words to get over listen to the crowd when he comes out they love him so what if he cant cut a promo everyone thinks cm punk is a god on he but he's jericho level uppermidcard/main event guy ryback maybe a clone to goldberg but memory serves me correctly goldberg was pretty huge future looks brighter 4 ryback than cm punk atm
MaverickAZ
Occasional Pre-Show
i love how some of you clowns take a look at the Ryback character and automatically assume that RYAN REEVES is a clueless, unintelligent dolt
nevermind the fact that he was a plus baseball/football athlete in High School, and also attending University of Nevada, majoring in fitness. It was then where he decided to pursue pro wrestling through the tough enough contest. Something he pretty much always wanted to do since a pre teen
he hasnt given a promo, because there hasnt been a need for it......yet. Not everyone has to be Damien Sandow
nevermind the fact that he was a plus baseball/football athlete in High School, and also attending University of Nevada, majoring in fitness. It was then where he decided to pursue pro wrestling through the tough enough contest. Something he pretty much always wanted to do since a pre teen
he hasnt given a promo, because there hasnt been a need for it......yet. Not everyone has to be Damien Sandow
All I want from Ryback now is both a roughly 10 minute match on this Monday's RAW and a promo. If he does that then I don't care if they give him the championship, I'd prefer if they didn't but, they have to prove he is good enough to be considered at the same level of all the greats who held that title. The fact is that until we've seen him in a long match against veterans and we've seen him cut a promo we don't know if he is fit to be champion. Sure, the guy is an incredibly impressive beast of an athlete but, this is sports entertainment.
I'd like to see his entrance amplified alot if he becomes champion too for example real pyro, some unique lighting just to give it some balls, he's not a guy like CM Punk who uses his words to make his character, Ryback is all about actions and trivial things that don't affect most champions like pyro would help him a lot, just look at Goldberg's pyro that was awesome. His whole entrance was, you knew he was somebody before he even got in the ring. There's a bunch of other guys who couldn't talk much but, had great entrances just think about it, Batista, Lashley there's a bunch of them. I don't count Lesnar because firstly, I think he's better on the mic than Goldberg and Ryback (though not exactly good.) but, he always had someone to talk for him so he never needed to talk. Ryback needs to talk on Monday or have a manager picked for him even if it ends up being Vince either way a promo on the go-home RAW has to happen.
I'd like to see his entrance amplified alot if he becomes champion too for example real pyro, some unique lighting just to give it some balls, he's not a guy like CM Punk who uses his words to make his character, Ryback is all about actions and trivial things that don't affect most champions like pyro would help him a lot, just look at Goldberg's pyro that was awesome. His whole entrance was, you knew he was somebody before he even got in the ring. There's a bunch of other guys who couldn't talk much but, had great entrances just think about it, Batista, Lashley there's a bunch of them. I don't count Lesnar because firstly, I think he's better on the mic than Goldberg and Ryback (though not exactly good.) but, he always had someone to talk for him so he never needed to talk. Ryback needs to talk on Monday or have a manager picked for him even if it ends up being Vince either way a promo on the go-home RAW has to happen.
I'm sure anyone clicking on this thread did so with their eyebrows raised, thinking that the guy suggesting this must be a f*cking moron. Why in the world would you take a fresh face that's over and turn him heel so quickly?
...Well, let me first explain how I want it to happen. I want CM Punk to refuse to choose an opponent this Monday Night. The decision is then left in the hands of Vince McMahon - who, as Paul Heyman predicted, is now hell bent on getting the belt off Punk. McMahon decides that John Cena gives him the best chance to accomplish this goal, a decision that pisses off Ryback.
At the pay-per view, Ryback would eventually make his way to ringside during the match, rip the door off the cage and take out Cena - thus aligning himself with Punk and Heyman. Obviously, Ryback would explain his "turn" by expressing his anger at being overlooked by Vince McMahon. He would go on to say that no one can ever get ahead in the WWE so long as John Cena is around.
The idea is pretty standard -- but here's why I'd do it:
1) Monster faces built around winning streaks tend to get lost in the shuffle once their streak ends. And as is the case with all monster faces - the streak will eventually come to an end. Monster heels however have much more depth to their pushes because they'd rather "lose the battle and win the war" (eg. They don't care if they lose a match so long as they inflict pain on their opponent.)
2) Ryback wasn't very good on the mic during his NXT run, and he hasn't had much of an opportunity since returning to show me that he's improved. Having Heyman as a mouth piece will only help him get more over.
3) Turning on Cena would give him a major program to work - one that he doesn't need to win and isn't expected to win. His job in the program is to simply beat up Cena and keep him away from Punk. This can be handled in a similar fashion that the Lesnar/Cena match at Extreme Rules was. Thus, a Ryback loss would actually make him look stronger.
4) It keeps him away from the WWE Title for now in a way that is organic and makes sense. He isn't ready to be in the title scene yet, but given his exposure to it these past few weeks, it could kill his steam to simply be pushed back to the mid-card in the coming weeks. If aligns himself with the champ, then we understand why he's not gunning for the belt. Otherwise, it would make no sense for him to just forget about Punk.
What do you think? Do you think it would benefit Ryback to turn heel? Do you have a better way to do it? Do you think he's fine just as he is?
...Well, let me first explain how I want it to happen. I want CM Punk to refuse to choose an opponent this Monday Night. The decision is then left in the hands of Vince McMahon - who, as Paul Heyman predicted, is now hell bent on getting the belt off Punk. McMahon decides that John Cena gives him the best chance to accomplish this goal, a decision that pisses off Ryback.
At the pay-per view, Ryback would eventually make his way to ringside during the match, rip the door off the cage and take out Cena - thus aligning himself with Punk and Heyman. Obviously, Ryback would explain his "turn" by expressing his anger at being overlooked by Vince McMahon. He would go on to say that no one can ever get ahead in the WWE so long as John Cena is around.
The idea is pretty standard -- but here's why I'd do it:
1) Monster faces built around winning streaks tend to get lost in the shuffle once their streak ends. And as is the case with all monster faces - the streak will eventually come to an end. Monster heels however have much more depth to their pushes because they'd rather "lose the battle and win the war" (eg. They don't care if they lose a match so long as they inflict pain on their opponent.)
2) Ryback wasn't very good on the mic during his NXT run, and he hasn't had much of an opportunity since returning to show me that he's improved. Having Heyman as a mouth piece will only help him get more over.
3) Turning on Cena would give him a major program to work - one that he doesn't need to win and isn't expected to win. His job in the program is to simply beat up Cena and keep him away from Punk. This can be handled in a similar fashion that the Lesnar/Cena match at Extreme Rules was. Thus, a Ryback loss would actually make him look stronger.
4) It keeps him away from the WWE Title for now in a way that is organic and makes sense. He isn't ready to be in the title scene yet, but given his exposure to it these past few weeks, it could kill his steam to simply be pushed back to the mid-card in the coming weeks. If aligns himself with the champ, then we understand why he's not gunning for the belt. Otherwise, it would make no sense for him to just forget about Punk.
What do you think? Do you think it would benefit Ryback to turn heel? Do you have a better way to do it? Do you think he's fine just as he is?
Jack-Hammer
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What we need from Ryback is to actually see Ryback tested.
I like Ryback, I think he's got promise as he's different from everything else going on in wrestling right now. His character is simple and has been done before but it can certainly work. However, I'm a little baffled as to where all this support has come from all of a sudden and I see little real reason for it. Ryback has literally only just started to garner significantly positive responses from the fans. Two weeks ago, a lot of fans, including contributors on these forums, called Ryback a generic Goldberg clone and now he's suddenly the next big thing. Why? Because he stood up for Jim Ross? Because he metaphorically drew "first blood" against CM Punk?
What's happened lately is good for Ryback and it's interesting. The WWE has been taking their time with him and it's now starting to pay off. But the thing is that it's just now starting to pay off. To read some of the posts I've read over the course of this past week, you'd think that Ryback had been the hottest thing going in WWE for at least half a year. Some are already clamoring to put the title on him for no damn reason whatsoever.
Ryback isn't the least bit ready to be a World Champion in WWE. It might that way because this thing with him & Punk has come completely out of left field and has a sense of unpredictability about it. That's all well and good, it's making for some interesting television, but c'mon, people are getting a little carried away. We've yet to see Ryback have any sort of feud. We've yet to really see him have any real matches.
What we need from Ryback is to see how he does six months or a year from now after having been put into actual programs with actual feuds against actual opponents in actual matches.
I like Ryback, I think he's got promise as he's different from everything else going on in wrestling right now. His character is simple and has been done before but it can certainly work. However, I'm a little baffled as to where all this support has come from all of a sudden and I see little real reason for it. Ryback has literally only just started to garner significantly positive responses from the fans. Two weeks ago, a lot of fans, including contributors on these forums, called Ryback a generic Goldberg clone and now he's suddenly the next big thing. Why? Because he stood up for Jim Ross? Because he metaphorically drew "first blood" against CM Punk?
What's happened lately is good for Ryback and it's interesting. The WWE has been taking their time with him and it's now starting to pay off. But the thing is that it's just now starting to pay off. To read some of the posts I've read over the course of this past week, you'd think that Ryback had been the hottest thing going in WWE for at least half a year. Some are already clamoring to put the title on him for no damn reason whatsoever.
Ryback isn't the least bit ready to be a World Champion in WWE. It might that way because this thing with him & Punk has come completely out of left field and has a sense of unpredictability about it. That's all well and good, it's making for some interesting television, but c'mon, people are getting a little carried away. We've yet to see Ryback have any sort of feud. We've yet to really see him have any real matches.
What we need from Ryback is to see how he does six months or a year from now after having been put into actual programs with actual feuds against actual opponents in actual matches.
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