It's 2008, stop living in the past. rock austin angle goldberg...
they are past No more ! Jeff hardy is top face on raw at least for the moment 
And he is no cena he uses more than 6 moves next time open your eyes when you watch him wrestling
Jeff Hardy: Legitimate Contender or One Time Wonder
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It's 2008, stop living in the past. rock austin angle goldberg...
they are past No more ! Jeff hardy is top face on raw at least for the moment And he is no cena he uses more than 6 moves next time open your eyes when you watch him wrestling
It's 2008, stop living in the past. rock austin angle goldberg...
And he is no cena he uses more than 6 moves next time open your eyes when you watch him wrestlingOh boy, so the Asparagus will attempt to translate this post to those of us the speak English.
It's 2008, stop living in the past. rock austin angle goldberg...
Often times, smileys are used to take away from a post, because that person can't think of anything to say, so they attempt to distract you with meaningless icons.
And the wondeful argument of, well, ti's not the past, it's now. You know, why are wrestling fanst the most animate about moving on from the past and living in the now? You know what makes sports great, because you compare athletes from other times to the athletes of today, and not feel that any of them were any better then the other because of the time they played in.
Not wrestling fans. Clearly if you are a fan of someone that was champion 20 years ago, you are simply living in the past. You know what I think, people want you to forget about guys like Sammartino, Graham, Race, Flair, Hogan, Austin, Angle, Thesz and all of that, why? Because the guys today can't carry or work a match anywhere near the likes of any of these guys can. They want to forget the past, because guys like Jeff Hardy can't lace the boots of anyone I just named. People want to forget the past because if you remember the past, you remember how good the product once was.
Out of all of those guys I named, and then you add guys like Triple H, The Rock, Savage, Undertaker, Sting, Jarrett, Backlund, all guys that were good champions in their own regards. Well hell, add guys like Rick Rude, Curt Hennig, Ted DiBiase, Bam Bam Bigelow, guys that never held world titles, Does someone like Jeff Hardy deserve to be with any of those names, Hell no.
This is the thing that pisses me off with "modern" wresting fans. If someone is over, then they should be given a title. Why. You know what makes a title valuable, because the list of names that have never won a world title. The WWE title is more valuable because of a guy like Roddy Piper, the most over heel in the WWE's history, didn't hodl the title. The title is more valuable because an athlete like Mr. Perfect, or a super heel like Andre or DiBiase never had alegit run with the title. The title depriciates the second someone gets over gets a title shot and wins.
Guys like Jim Duggan and Doink the Clown were over, yet how come no ones says, hey, I'm really pissed they didn't get a title shot. They were entertainers, they worked a match just as good as Jeff Hardy, and hell, Duggan and Doink were just as over and at least knew how to turn on a microphone. So where is the support for those two guys. How about Tito Santana, or any other of the over mid card wrestlers? Start up the campaign trail.
He sure isn't a Cena, Cena is at least watchable, and by a long margin over Hardy.
And as far as beign the most over face. Congratulations, wait until Lashley and Cena comeback. Congratulations on being the most over guy of 1/3 of the WWE Roster, woo hoo.
atomikenrtia
Dark Match Jobber
I have to laugh every time I see you "wrestling experts" bash on somebody like Jeff Hardy...
because you know, you've done SOOOOO much more in the business of wrestling than Jeff Hardy, a 10-year-veteran who has poured himself day in and day out for millions of people, putting his body at risk. what's the most you've done? come online and read about why Hardy sucks because he throws himself 30 feet off a fucking ledge and thats' not what you want to see.
fact is... it's entertainment. wrestling is dead. you want to watch wrestling? go to your local high school and watch 17 year old kids tear and claw eachother for the love of it... we live in a day and age where entertainment trumps actual sport. for the time being, Jeff Hardy is entertaining to some...
you can say otherwise... but every Monday night there are 30,000 people filled in an area screaming their heads off to prove you wrong.
just my opinion
because you know, you've done SOOOOO much more in the business of wrestling than Jeff Hardy, a 10-year-veteran who has poured himself day in and day out for millions of people, putting his body at risk. what's the most you've done? come online and read about why Hardy sucks because he throws himself 30 feet off a fucking ledge and thats' not what you want to see.
fact is... it's entertainment. wrestling is dead. you want to watch wrestling? go to your local high school and watch 17 year old kids tear and claw eachother for the love of it... we live in a day and age where entertainment trumps actual sport. for the time being, Jeff Hardy is entertaining to some...
you can say otherwise... but every Monday night there are 30,000 people filled in an area screaming their heads off to prove you wrong.
just my opinion
And that's exactly why the ratings for WWE are so bad nowadawys... because of people like Jeff Hardy, jumping off of ladders thinking that it's actually wrestling. Ok maybe some popel will be screaming for jeff, but I can assure you IF Jeff Hardy does win the WWE titlle than he will become more and more hated by the fans as he becomes even more overated. Trust me, it happened to Cena. But hey, if you like seeing Jeff Hardy face Umaga every week in the same stupid matches, then by all means go ahead. I'm already turned off by the sight of Jeff getting a WWE title shot against Orton. Oh and about him having more than 6 moves... can you please name me 6 moves he does that don't look sloppy?
Jeff Hardy huh? Is he a legitimate title contender? That's the question right? I think that the question should be, will the WWE let him be a legitimate title contender?
In my humble opinion, he is more than capable of being a legitimate title contender. He can sell matches just as good as the next guy and he has a terrific onslaught of moves at his disposal. He is the current top face on Raw and grant it, it will only be until a couple of comebacks are made, but when he can say that he is the number face on Raw over guys like HHH and Shawn Michaels, I think that's saying alot.
His wrestling style is unorthodox to say the least, but I think that it would bring something new and exciting to the title picture and WWE desperately needs that right now.
Could he possibly headline Wrestlemania? I also think that is a possibility. He has more wrestlemania high spots and highlights than anyone on the Raw roster right now (except maybe Shawn Michaels) and that is what that event is all about it seems like.
He could definately be a top title player but as mentioned in earlier posts. I don't think that the WWE will take him serious enough to let this happen, so enjoy the ride if you are a Jeff Hardy fan and if you're not, then you'll be happy to know that it will probably be over at the Royal Rumble.
In my humble opinion, he is more than capable of being a legitimate title contender. He can sell matches just as good as the next guy and he has a terrific onslaught of moves at his disposal. He is the current top face on Raw and grant it, it will only be until a couple of comebacks are made, but when he can say that he is the number face on Raw over guys like HHH and Shawn Michaels, I think that's saying alot.
His wrestling style is unorthodox to say the least, but I think that it would bring something new and exciting to the title picture and WWE desperately needs that right now.
Could he possibly headline Wrestlemania? I also think that is a possibility. He has more wrestlemania high spots and highlights than anyone on the Raw roster right now (except maybe Shawn Michaels) and that is what that event is all about it seems like.
He could definately be a top title player but as mentioned in earlier posts. I don't think that the WWE will take him serious enough to let this happen, so enjoy the ride if you are a Jeff Hardy fan and if you're not, then you'll be happy to know that it will probably be over at the Royal Rumble.
Eternal Dragon
Monster
Whoa, whoa, whoa you're blaming Raw's low ratings on Jeff Hardy of all people? Are we talking about the same person here? Because the Jeff Hardy I know attracts more attention and more fans than a lot of other wrestlers. I doubt Jeff Hardy could ever be hated by the fans- oh maybe by the ones that we see here in the IWC, but those in the crowd, those that turn on Raw to see him, they won't hate him (believe me Jeff Hardy fans can be a rabid bunch and I mean that in a good way).
That "no more than 6 moves" argument sounds so familiar... where I could I have heard it before? Maybe against a certain John Cena? It was an empty claim against Cena, and it's an empty claim against Jeff Hardy too.
Jeff might not be the BEST wrestler, or the BEST guy on the mic, but he entertains the fans, he has interesting matches, and he's improved over the years. I don't know if that makes him worthy of a World Championship, but in my book it makes him more than enough worthy to be a legitimate contender for one.
Flames Out
Dragon
robwylde90
Celtic Warrior
One time wonder, Jeff will lose at the rumble to the rightful WWE champion and will be shuffled back into the tag division or left as the biggest fish in the small mid card pond. In a few years the champion will be cena - Lashley - Orton- MVP- Kennedy - Repeat, no one will even remember either of jeff hardys world title matches. ainly because hes a no talent spot monkey. secondly cause the man is worse than bobby lashley on the damn mike, even lashley got "one man. one mission. the ecw title." right on the money.
So yeah one time wonder and then dissapear to shoot drugs or jump off things like normal.
So yeah one time wonder and then dissapear to shoot drugs or jump off things like normal.
As much as I don't want to see Hardy beat RKO, the man has certainly paid his dues. In recent weeks, he's done some truly incredible things aka Swanton from 30 ft/ whisper in the wind from off the cage. Jeff is certainly over with the fans which is always a good thing. However... I feel that Jeff will not be getting the title any time soon. Someday down the line? Perhaps, but I really do not think it will be at the Royal Rumble. If you look at the roster as it is now... There are really no faces to contend with Orton besides HHH and HBK. So WWE needed to bring another guy into the title picture. Enter Jeff Hardy. Let's take a look at the roster over the next couple of months. You got Cena, Lashley, and possibly Big Show returning. Odds are Lashley and Cena will be faces and if Big Show does return to Raw he'll probably be heel. So you'll have Cena and Lashley gunning for Orton, which in all odds will knock Hardy back down to a mid card stance. Again for now I think Hardy is considered a one hit wonder, but who knows what'll happen in the coming year or two.
I just don't by him as a top tier talent. Though I do have to admit that he is getting much better. I did like his work last night going through the crowd. I would like to see him in the build up stage now. Put him in meaningful feuds and let him develop. Don't job him out to top level guys. I still don't think he's championship material, and I'm not sure that he ever will be, but he is developing well into upper level mid card talent. Remember, Dibiase/Mr.Perfect/Jake the Snake and more never held the title but were great. He's not a title guy and shouldn't get it.
I think he could have a HUGE heel turn as he's popular with women and kids.
I think he could have a HUGE heel turn as he's popular with women and kids.
Rated K for Kennedy... Kennedy!
Talk loud, hit harder!
I have to say when I heard it was Jeff V Orton at Rumble I was sure he'd get burried, but he's really been booked well, creative have him looking legit, which honestly I never expected (despite being a big Jeff Hardy fan). I'm loving seeing Jeff playing mind games, and even get promo time, its pretty obvious he won't win the title but I think he's gonna be a legit top-tier talent for a while now, considering the poster for NWO it looks like he'll be in the chamber, I honestly see him wearing the gold at some point in 08! And I hope he does, when Orton won the belt at No Mercy I didin't think he'd be a great champ or a top-tier star but he's stepped up recently, apparently Orton is becoming a leader backstage, and gets on with Jeff, on top of that H is pushing for Jeff, plus he shifts merchandise and constantly gets a crowd reaction.
in conclusion:
FUTURE CHAMP, AND A DESERVING ONE
in conclusion:
FUTURE CHAMP, AND A DESERVING ONE
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smirr_wwe
Guest
Jeff hardy is worthy of a main event level match he has been tag team champ a bunch of times and he was intercontinental a few times too. he bet umaga a couple of times which is something that most of the superstars cn't say so i think he is completley deserving of his wwe title match and he always puts on a good show so theirs no need to worry about that. Oh & P.S about the drug abuse thing you know everyone is entitled to a few mistakes you can't expect him to be perfect i mean you aren't either so who are you to judge someone else's mistakes
granted hardy's not amazing in the "wrestling" department, but hes over, hes fun to watch, hes been around for a while...dont give it to him at the rumble, let him win money in the bank which has proven to be the launching pad for 1st championship reigns (see edge and rvd) and let him cash it in when theres a cool feud out there for him...dont rush a push on hardy, let him build that cult fanbase then give it to him
HBK Shawn Michaels
New Member
He Won't Win.
In The Interview For WWE Magazine He Talks About Hopefully Winning The Title. The Interview Isn't Promoting The Orton Match, It Promotes The Elimination Chamber Match At No Way Out. I'm Guessing It'll End By DQ.
In The Interview For WWE Magazine He Talks About Hopefully Winning The Title. The Interview Isn't Promoting The Orton Match, It Promotes The Elimination Chamber Match At No Way Out. I'm Guessing It'll End By DQ.
scottp1969
Dark Match Winner
But that magazine was done a month ago most likely before he beat triple h. and he apparently wasnt supposed to win that match either. and the way they have built him up in the feud with orton i could hardy winning the title and then they can say the elimination chamber is to determine who he faces at mania.
TimmyTallsoxx
The Great One V.2
okay i dont know why there are so many hardy haters here. he not a druggy he and matt said that they both dont have an addictive personality. he even said in a magazine that he didnt leave because of drugs he wanted to pursue music and wwe has sent people to his house and watched him pee without notice.
secondly why the hell is everyone pro-edge and edge is the master of the ladder match??? seriously what about hardy hes the one that made those epic tlcs shine.
i agree he repeats him self to much on the mic but he makes up for the entertainment part when he pulls of the unexpected. hardys prolly my fav right now even tho he wouldnt have gotten to where he was if he never had a good brother like matt who i happen to believe is the most underated guy along with helms.also why do so many people want shelton benjamin to get a good push if he sucks on the mic. you dont have to be amazing on the mic to get over and be a champ for example-- Taker-rest in peace is all he says once every few months. Sting(crow version)-possibly wcws best move and he went over a yr without speaking Khali- personally a terrible choice but he was a champ and he dont speak english or wrestle a 1 star match at all Batista- sucks on the mic but i actually like this guy considering how he overcame a bad lifestyle lot of people say hes boring but he put on great matches. anyway what im getting is you dont have to be a promo guy to hold a belt besides jeff likes being mysterious and that is something different than someone that relies on promos like cena it could help the wwe in a big way
I think that if wwe lets him win somewhere along the road the ratings will go up not as high as the attitude era but up over the 3.5s but with the way wwe books nowadays i dont see him winning because cena is over the horizone with gold more than likely promised to him i know he wont win this sunday maybe not wrestlemania but hopefully at one of the weaker ppvs like vengeance or backlash
secondly why the hell is everyone pro-edge and edge is the master of the ladder match??? seriously what about hardy hes the one that made those epic tlcs shine.
i agree he repeats him self to much on the mic but he makes up for the entertainment part when he pulls of the unexpected. hardys prolly my fav right now even tho he wouldnt have gotten to where he was if he never had a good brother like matt who i happen to believe is the most underated guy along with helms.also why do so many people want shelton benjamin to get a good push if he sucks on the mic. you dont have to be amazing on the mic to get over and be a champ for example-- Taker-rest in peace is all he says once every few months. Sting(crow version)-possibly wcws best move and he went over a yr without speaking Khali- personally a terrible choice but he was a champ and he dont speak english or wrestle a 1 star match at all Batista- sucks on the mic but i actually like this guy considering how he overcame a bad lifestyle lot of people say hes boring but he put on great matches. anyway what im getting is you dont have to be a promo guy to hold a belt besides jeff likes being mysterious and that is something different than someone that relies on promos like cena it could help the wwe in a big way
I think that if wwe lets him win somewhere along the road the ratings will go up not as high as the attitude era but up over the 3.5s but with the way wwe books nowadays i dont see him winning because cena is over the horizone with gold more than likely promised to him i know he wont win this sunday maybe not wrestlemania but hopefully at one of the weaker ppvs like vengeance or backlash
Jeff Hardy to me is a exciting wrestler if you compare him now to back then you how much he improved over the years with wwe. I know he went to tna also but i'm talking about his time in the wwe. Yes he may be in the eyes of others of a mid-card wrestler but he's really stepping up his game if or if not he win the wwe championship this sunday at the royal rumble eventually he will become champion before his time is up with the wwe that's my opinion.
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Jaskkes
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G'day.
I thought I would post because I do enjoy reading the forums. My favourite superstar, ever since he had his new brood deal or whatever, has been Jeff Hardy. Maybe it was the fact I was young, or because i'm a bit of a strange person like him, but there's something about him that the average fan (aka me) really likes, and thats why he gets the pops he gets.
I went to a Survivor Series house show when Raw came to the WWE, and he had the biggest pop i'd probably ever heard, I could barely hear his music which was blasting from just above me.
WWE is all about entertainment really, not whether the guy works hard or has amazing wrestling ability. Its about getting the fans involved and having a great night of watching wrestling, which is why i'd love to see Hardy at least get a title reign AFTER wrestlemania, because well, i'm getting sick of seeing the IC on him.
I thought I would post because I do enjoy reading the forums. My favourite superstar, ever since he had his new brood deal or whatever, has been Jeff Hardy. Maybe it was the fact I was young, or because i'm a bit of a strange person like him, but there's something about him that the average fan (aka me) really likes, and thats why he gets the pops he gets.
I went to a Survivor Series house show when Raw came to the WWE, and he had the biggest pop i'd probably ever heard, I could barely hear his music which was blasting from just above me.
WWE is all about entertainment really, not whether the guy works hard or has amazing wrestling ability. Its about getting the fans involved and having a great night of watching wrestling, which is why i'd love to see Hardy at least get a title reign AFTER wrestlemania, because well, i'm getting sick of seeing the IC on him.
Rainbow-Haired-Warrior
Dark Match Jobber
IMO Jeff Hardy put on an amazing match last night. I saw alot of spots blown, but they weren't from Hardy, it was Jericho,JBL,Mysterio, and Edge. I believe Hardy is more than deserving to be in the main event, he's really making that extra effort to get there, as I have said on the 900 other Hardy threads. He's cleaned up his ringwork, He's been working on his mic skills, and bottom line is he entertains people. And from what I saw last night at the rumble, the fans were solidly behind him. So say what you want about Hardy, his ring style may not be your psychological Bret Hart/Lance Storm "cup of tea", but the fact remains that this man has risked life and limb to entertain me over the last 15 years, and has done a damn good job doing so. He's had his highs and lows, but he has proven himself to me and that he deserves to be where he's at.
Capt. Charisma
Getting Noticed By Management
I thought it was a mistake to push Hardy if I am honest. Thought it was just a way of HHH sticking it to Jericho, and that it would be soon over after the rumble, and he would go back to his mid-card status.
Now though I really think he is ready to make the step up. I agree with the guy above me post. Hardy had a good match last night, against Orton who although improving arguably needs to fine tune a little bit more to be a true maineventer. So what I am saying is Hardy/Orton was a good match because of Hardy, more than because of Orton, though Orton did sell Jeff's moves really well. I just wish the match went on a little longer. The lead up to Orton/Hardy was probly also the best run up I have seen for a long time, so props for the writers actualy getting something right for a change.
I think Hardy/JBL might be on the card for mania, and a win for Hardy there would really help stake his claim. Alternatively have the guy win MITB, the match is made for him so it would work great. Either way Hardy with the title this year at some point would be a welcome change, he just needs to tweak his mic skills so that he is at least semi decent on it.
Now though I really think he is ready to make the step up. I agree with the guy above me post. Hardy had a good match last night, against Orton who although improving arguably needs to fine tune a little bit more to be a true maineventer. So what I am saying is Hardy/Orton was a good match because of Hardy, more than because of Orton, though Orton did sell Jeff's moves really well. I just wish the match went on a little longer. The lead up to Orton/Hardy was probly also the best run up I have seen for a long time, so props for the writers actualy getting something right for a change.
I think Hardy/JBL might be on the card for mania, and a win for Hardy there would really help stake his claim. Alternatively have the guy win MITB, the match is made for him so it would work great. Either way Hardy with the title this year at some point would be a welcome change, he just needs to tweak his mic skills so that he is at least semi decent on it.
ironman1180
Dark Match Jobber
I love that they've been pushing Hardy so much lately, and even gave him a title shot last night. He's been working harder than pretty much anybody (the Swanton off the side of the Titantron is proof) to earn and keep that spot, and they finally gave him his shot.
The only thing that concerns me is what John Cena's return means for Hardy. I'd love to see them both get pushed as much as they ever were, but I don't see this happening...at least not with the way they brought Cena back last night. They effectively pushed him to the front of the line, and put Jeff Hardy probably somewhere in the middle or back, which is a shame after everything he's done in the last few weeks, months and years.
The only thing that concerns me is what John Cena's return means for Hardy. I'd love to see them both get pushed as much as they ever were, but I don't see this happening...at least not with the way they brought Cena back last night. They effectively pushed him to the front of the line, and put Jeff Hardy probably somewhere in the middle or back, which is a shame after everything he's done in the last few weeks, months and years.
I really think Jeff Hardy pulled off a great title match last night, he hit everything he should have, even if there where a few missed spots which were not totally his fault. The match got the crowd involved and thats what WWE are looking at here I believe, I feel the reaction of the fans is what will push Hardy into a title picture eventually. In my opinion the rumble proved Jeff is a legitmate contender for the title, I just don't see him being in the title picture for a while just yet due to Cena, but perhaps after Wrestlemania.
Jeff is legit contender. He draws huge crowd, and I really don't see Cena vs Orton for another year...sorry, I mean two years. Jeff does a great job in keeping his pop and exhibit nice (not great) mic skills and also does regular wrestling moves pretty good.
Yes he is overmatched when it comes to matches with people like HBK, like RVD, but have you guys considered how great HBK and RVD are? They are freaking legends for God's sake, it's unfair to really pick Jeff Hardy in underperforming in those matches.
Yes he is overmatched when it comes to matches with people like HBK, like RVD, but have you guys considered how great HBK and RVD are? They are freaking legends for God's sake, it's unfair to really pick Jeff Hardy in underperforming in those matches.
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d'lo_brown_kurt_angle
Guest
How come Hardy had no reaction with that 30 foot fall last week? No crowd reaction. It was sooooo dull. Worst than the reaction when Jericho returned. WWE has made some great moves and the crowd doesn't respond. What happened to the "Holy-Shits" and the loud cheers for a returning superstar. Heck next thing you know Big Show is going to get no love. Ric Flair when he returned, to his hometown for god sakes, had no reaction.
The crowd in WWE is so dull now. I wish New York holds every event, the crowds are awesome. Now i'm not asking for an ECW type crowd (that's unmatched) but the crowd makes the WWE seem so dull.
The crowd in WWE is so dull now. I wish New York holds every event, the crowds are awesome. Now i'm not asking for an ECW type crowd (that's unmatched) but the crowd makes the WWE seem so dull.
mattitude2007
Occasional Pre-Show
I feel kind of sad for Jeff...he almost looked like he was going to pull a shocker and then suddenly Orton beats him cleanly...it caught me off guard and I thought it was a missed opportunity but when Cena appeared it all made sense....
Now I'm starting to think Hardy really was nothing more than an interim contender.
Now I'm starting to think Hardy really was nothing more than an interim contender.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
YA THINK?! I really wish I could just leave the post with those two words. Its what I've been trying to burn into every Hardy mark's head for the previous four weeks.
Jeff Hardy was nothing more than a stepping stone, to something greater for other people. He was never thought of as a legit contender, otherwise he'd of received a Championship match at a p.p.v. that wasn't "made" strictly by a 30 man gimmick match. (Royal Rumble) Noone ordered that p.p.v. (alone) thinking it was for Jeff Hardy to win the W.W.E. Championship, and if they did.. then I'm sorry.. they are purely dedicated to fantasy.
I said it in the review I did, Jeff Hardy's match was good, quite possibly the best match he's ever had that didn't involve cheap pops by him leaping off high places, or using ladders to get ovations. But on his "best" night, when he carried the entire match through offense.. and Randy Orton had practically NO offensive moves at all.. he (Hardy) still couldn't get the job done.
And for Randy Orton to basically get squashed that entire match, only to randomly hit ONE R.K.O.. it shows how much they want you to see how "weak" Jeff Hardy is, for Orton to withstand all that punishment, yet for Hardy to fall under the pressure of ONE finishing move.
Really.. I'm sorry that Hardy didn't get the Championship, but I'm happy that it shut 80% of you Hardy fans up.. now I can try peacefully sleeping at night, without thinking I'm gonna wake up to 20 posts that look like they're from the same guy, ranting on how Hardy is gonna become World Champion because he deserves it, or because he's worked so hard to gain it, or even because hes truly talented and gifted enough to have it.
Jeff Hardy's day, MAY someday come.. but it won't be anywhere near leading into the biggest event in Wrestling history.