Jeff Hardy: Legitimate Contender or One Time Wonder

[TheOneBigWill]

the whisper in the wind of the cage and swanton of the lighting rig was perfect storytelling, it showcased hardys character perfectly, of someone that is willing to do anything to win, with the whole take orton out it was done in true hardy fashion, some people certainly on this board dont understand or accept when doing a risky spot is part of story, and i applaud WWE, Hardy and Orton for a fantastic feud so far.

You're absolutely correct, it did indeed detail Jeff Hardy's character to perfection. Someone with no talent, who has to resort to spot diving, to make himself look powerful, or worth anything.

You know what would impress me more than a swanton off a 60 ft. high space? How about Jeff showing that he has the ability to wrestle inside the ring, instead of outside it? Because short of their match at the Royal Rumble being gimmicked, Jeff will likely get an unjust push as something he's not (talented) & ultimately, Orton will R.K.O. him out of nowhere, likely off of one of Hardy's high flying misques. (mark my words)

Its the muscleheads that need to busted down to midcard or out the door, and look at lashley he was given 10x the push Hardy as been given and he was no where near as over as Hardy so in reponse to the idiot that said you can push anyone as a babyface as over as Hardy is idiotic

Bobby Lashley came in, in 2005, he's a amateur wrestler, & has Kurt Angle sized talent. He needs more of a chrismatic gimmick, but other than that, Lashley will do just fine in the Main Event scene upon his return.

Oh, wait.. you said Hardy is 10x as over.. well, maybe thats because its taken Hardy 10 plus years of trying to become that way, & several spot dives along the way. What has Lashley done to earn his Main Event spot.. lets see.. wrestling ability.. wrestling talent.. becoming a fan favorite without basically leaving his feet. Thats pretty good, right?

 

[mjuww]

are kidding me Lashley has been given the Mcmahon shaft to the top, one of that Jeff Hardy had to bust his ass for 10 years to get by entertaining fans while working his way up the card.

Ive not seen anything standout about lashleys wrestling ability, hes worse than Hardy on the mic, and the reason he was given the monster push is because he gave Vince a good stiff one with is big man figure, charismatic gimmick the man has no charisma hence why he is not over with the fans

The casual fan doesnt care how good you are in the ring, if there not entertaining to watch

WWE = Sports Entertainment

and ill be sure to laugh when Hardy is main eventing most of the year

 

[TheOneBigWill]

saving grace maybe because without this Hardy/Orton feud, Raw has been almost unwatchable for the last month, i dont know what you have been watching

Then I'll sure hate to miss you next month then on, when Hardy gets removed from the Main Event scene & goes back to matches against Umaga, & Santino.

Shawn Michaels has been in a passable feud with Kennedy

Shawn Michaels is the Main Event of Monday Night Raw, the man has grabbed viewers & puts butts in seats. Just because he doesn't "headline" the show, doesn't mean he isn't the headliner OF the show.

His feud with Kennedy may not be his best one, but its still even as average as it is now, a lot better than the Hardy/Orton feud.. why? Because not only do both men know how to work a decent match together, but they BOTH cut great promos.

Let me recap a Hardy/Orton promo for you..

Orton: "If you were a legend, I'd kill you, but you aren't.. so I'll let you beat me up for a few weeks to make you look better than you are."

Hardy: "Ahhhhhhh"

And there you have it.

Triple H has been fucking about with Regal and McMahon

He's doing what the entire IWC wants & stepping out of the Main Event. Congrats, you're one of the reasons why Raw sucks lately.

and Ric Flair as good as he once was is past it and needs to retire to a non-wrestling role

I actually agree with this, Ric Flair does need to retire. However, I'm still more interested in his storyline & career being on the line, because I'm interested to see how it'll finally "end." And that makes it far more long lasting & great than seeing Jeff Hardy top himself each week by climbing 10 feet higher & jumping. I can only hope next week he finds a window...

Looking at the poll it seems like a good majority on here agree with me

You're absolutely correct, apparently 36 people on this site are Hardy marks. Unfortunately, just like "I" feel he is undeserving & you feel he's great.. neither of us make him talented, & sadly.. I guess we'll find out which one was closer in about a month, when Hardy isn't involved in a Main Event. (unless its of him losing in the Elimination Chamber, but diving off the top of a holder.)

 

[TheOneBigWill]

are kidding me Lashley has been given the Mcmahon shaft to the top, one of that Jeff Hardy had to bust his ass for 10 years to get by entertaining fans while working his way up the card.

By busting his ass, do you mean doing drugs, falling out of W.W.F., jumping to T.N.A., diving off their set.. making W.W.E. fall under the impression that they need him.. hire him back, & then continue to have him dive off of things?

Apparently you were "literal" by saying "busting his ass."

Ive not seen anything standout about lashleys wrestling ability, hes worse than Hardy on the mic, and the reason he was given the monster push is because he gave Vince a good stiff one with is big man figure, charismatic gimmick the man has no charisma hence why he is not over with the fans

I JUST said Lashley has NO charisma, or mic skills. So we're in agreement on that. Lashley needs a manager to be a mouth piece, if that were to happen, he'd be unstoppable.

Hardy needs to manage someone who's talented. If that happened, Hardy might see some Heavyweight gold.. around his wrestler's waist.

The casual fan doesnt care how good you are in the ring, if there not entertaining to watch

Well, apparently a lot of people wanted to see Lashley Main Event then.. because he did it at Vengeance & the Great American Bash..

 

[mjuww]

Just because he was in the main event doesnt mean the fans wanted it means Vince Mcmahon wanted it, and is another example of lashleys mega push

Doing drugs in the past = goodbye to half the WWE roster

I'd credit him with being able to get his shit back together and to go from what he was at TNA getting booed to being at the point he is at now the most over face in the company

Echelon Edit: Discredit the warning I gave you, I didn't see that you edited your post

 

[TheOneBigWill]

WWE = Sports Entertainment

Jeff Hardy = 5 minutes (if that) worth of entertainment

Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Triple H., Undertaker & Edge (just to name a few) = 30-40 minutes worth of Sports Entertainment

Anymore brain busters? Oh, just to clue you in as well.. next time you have something this short to say.. edit it & put it with another post, otherwise you'll be receiving an infraction.

and ill be sure to laugh when Hardy is main eventing most of the year

What are you going to do, if he doesn't?

Are you going to find something to jump off of? Because I have a couple ladders, a roof, & I live about 30 minutes away from some tall building. I'm seriously asking you to stop.. you've ran out of debate.. you're just spamming now.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Just because he was in the main event doesnt mean the fans wanted it means Vince Mcmahon wanted it, and is another example of lashleys mega push

Couldn't the exact same thing be said for Jeff Hardy??? I mean, he sells which I've said. He has tons of product that fans buy, just like John Cena, & Shawn Michaels & Triple H., & several others. But just because he sells product, doesn't mean he has talent.

Therefore, he's in his spot, because Vince McMahon knows how glued you bunch of marks are to the face painted "warrior" & thereby, hes making a ton of money off his no-talented, spot diving ass.

Lashley was pushed because of his talent. Lashley built a fan base because of his skill.. not his spot diving ability. Hardy built a fan base because he put his body through everything breakable.

 

[mjuww]

well its a differance of opinion which i dont think you understand, and at the moment i tune into watch RAW because of Hardy and his feud with Orton, just because you say he is worth 5 minutes of entertainment to you doesnt mean he is 5 minutes of entertainment for someone else.

I dont find John Cena entertaining but can accept that others do
Im also a fan of Shawn Michaels and Triple H but having the same guys going at it all the time is not entertaining to me

Jeff Hardy got pushed because the majority of fans wanted

Bobby Lashly got pushed because he has the Vince Mcmahon desired look, im sure Mcmahon could give two shits if he is any good, see numerous generic big men past and present

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Doing drugs in the past = goodbye to half the WWE roster

Which I agree with. If they do drugs, they should be released. Chris Masters is in the exclusives area.. go talk to him about it.

I'd credit him with being able to get his shit back together and to go from what he was at TNA getting booed to being at the point he is at now the most over face in the company

Hmmm, perhaps he was being booed because the T.N.A. fans are fans of pure athletic ability & wrestling talent, as opposed to spot diving?? You know, just a thought?

 

[mjuww]

Which I agree with. If they do drugs, they should be released. Chris Masters is in the exclusives area.. go talk to him about it.



Hmmm, perhaps he was being booed because the T.N.A. fans are fans of pure athletic ability & wrestling talent, as opposed to spot diving?? You know, just a thought?

Have you seen TNA it is just one big spot fest

and are seriously telling me lashley has not in the past being jacked on roids and why then has Orton, Kennedy not been fired in your little fantasy

 

[TheOneBigWill]

well its a differance of opinion which i dont think you understand, and at the moment i tune into watch RAW because of Hardy and his feud with Orton, just because you say he is worth 5 minutes of entertainment to you doesnt mean he is 5 minutes of entertainment for someone else.

I accept your opinion for what it is.. your opinion. I'm debating you, however, with my opinion. And it appears I'm making more head-way.

Jeff Hardy with all that he's doing, won't make it many more years. Shawn Michaels has been in this industry for 20 (plus?) years. Hardy likely won't see 15. Its because Hardy is doing the only thing that gets him over.. destroying his body.

I dont find John Cena entertaining but can accept that others do
Im also a fan of Shawn Michaels and Triple H but having the same guys going at it all the time is not entertaining to me

I don't like Cena either. In fact, I lothed him as a World Champion that continuously overcame the odds every f'n night.. but the fact is, Cena had talent.. A LOT more so than Jeff Hardy. And if Cena wasn't injured, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because Hardy would be losing to Umaga.

And I'd rather see H.B.K. v. H.H.H. part 1,026 then Randy Orton v. Jeff Hardy, what.. 6? On the same note.. its funny how you don't like seeing the same two people go at it, yet Hardy & Orton seem to have been doing the same thing, with just a bit higher of a spot jump each week. Be sure to tune in next week..

When W.W.E. goes HD, & Randy Orton takes Jeff Hardy on, in the first-ever Hospital rooftop match. Where Hardy will win by leaping off the roof, swantoning himself onto an ambulance. At which point, he'll cut a killer promo based off of nothing more than "I'm gonna destroy you!" & "Ahhhh" on the way down from the roof.

and stop being such patrinizing prick

Okay, I know you're new & all.. but this is considered "flaming." Its against the rules. If you don't like what I have to say.. stop debating with me.

 

[Milos79]

Until Monday I was thinking of him like a good wrestler,but I thought bad about his mic skills.Now I see that he actually don't need anything other than he posses right now.He is crazy maniac who probably lost all of his bones when he was born

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Have you seen TNA it is just one big spot fest

Uhm.. does spot to you mean leaping off random objects, or does it mean pure wrestling talent & ability? Because I'd sure hope its not the latter part.

When I watch T.N.A., I sure as hell don't do it for the storylines. 90% of their wrestlers, each have their own moves, skills & abilities. Each of them know how to entertain the crowd with great wrestling & superior moves.

W.W.E., namely Jeff Hardy, couldn't entertain a crowd from inside a wrestling ring if he tried.. wait, wait.. UNLESS, it involves leaping off a ladder, through/onto something/someone in, around, or outside the ring.

and are seriously telling me lashley has not in the past being jacked on roids and why then has Orton, Kennedy not been fired in your little fantasy

Show me where its been proven Lashley isn't 100% clean, & I'll agree. Until you can prove that, other than by stereo-typing him for being on the roids, simply because he's bigger built.. I'll continue to assume what I like to call.. the truth.

And Randy Orton SHOULD'VE been released for that stunt he pulled regarding the hotel issue about a year or two ago. Kennedy did roids, but to the most current knowledge I have, isn't anymore. He served a suspension.. Hardy quit when they requested he go to rehab.

Hmmm.. Kennedy took a punishment, Hardy took his ladder & went to another company like a baby.

By the way, ask the Ultimate Warrior when he's planning on making a return, since you two obviously share the same universe.

 

[mjuww]

I accept your opinion for what it is.. your opinion. I'm debating you, however, with my opinion. And it appears I'm making more head-way.


I don't like Cena either. In fact, I lothed him as a World Champion that continuously overcame the odds every f'n night.. but the fact is, Cena had talent.. A LOT more so than Jeff Hardy. And if Cena wasn't injured, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because Hardy would be losing to Umaga.

LMFAO at the suggestion of Cena being more talented than Jeff, okay its all about opinions

So Cena got injured youve got take your chances when there presented to you, and so far in my humble opinion Hardy has taken his opportunity and ran with it and is doing very well, he is getting a damn better reaction than Cena was gettin when he was being pushed as the top face

Hardy went away got clean and came back a better performer, and while you dont find Jeff entertaining in the ring without gimmicks being involved, i find the most entertaining performer with or without a gimmick added, as i actually can show appreciation for what i consider entertaining wrestling

 

[TheOneBigWill]

LMFAO at the suggestion of Cena being more talented than Jeff, okay its all about opinions

I can't even believe you're gonna make me defend John Cena. First, how on EARTH would you consider Jeff Hardy to even be remotely in the same league as Cena? I want you to tell me exactly how you feel Hardy is better & *cough* more talented *cough* (sorry, I was choking on bullshit) than Cena.

So Cena got injured youve got take your chances when there presented to you, and so far in my humble opinion Hardy has taken his opportunity and ran with it and is doing very well, he is getting a damn better reaction than Cena was gettin when he was being pushed as the top face

I can not wait for Sly to remotely see this. If you think I'm owning you, then you're gonna want to find that window when Sly finds this.

Jeff Hardy hasn't heard a reaction the size of what the likes of Undertaker, Shawn Michaels or especially John Cena have received. And if he did, then it was when he wrestled against them, or teamed up with them.

I'll admit, Hardy is doing the absolute best he can, with what he's got. And hes reached his highest point of his career, with this very push.. but even at that, whats gonna happen when all of it is for nothing, & he drops at the Rumble?

 

[Gus]

I can't even believe you're gonna make me defend John Cena.

LOL

First, how on EARTH would you consider Jeff Hardy to even be remotely in the same league as Cena? I want you to tell me exactly how you feel Hardy is better & *cough* more talented *cough* (sorry, I was choking on bullshit) than Cena.

he's got more than 5 moves, nuff said

Jeff Hardy hasn't heard a reaction the size of what the likes of Undertaker, Shawn Michaels or especially John Cena have received. And if he did, then it was when he wrestled against them, or teamed up with them.

touche' but he will, in due time, but, Cena was pushed to the moon, and HBK and Undertaker are well, HBK and Undertaker...

I'll admit, Hardy is doing the absolute best he can, with what he's got. And hes reached his highest point of his career, with this very push.. but even at that, whats gonna happen when all of it is for nothing, & he drops at the Rumble?

If he doesnt win at the rumble, he'll probably hold the IC title for a long time, since hes the best mid carder they've got currently...

IMO, Hardy is a good wrestler, he's more techincal-ish than Cena, and he has better mic skills than Lashley and Batista combined,

Weapons arent just encouraged, they're allowed...

thats main event material in WWE's eyes, and apparantly in TNA's eyes as well, and just because Hardy doesnt entertain YOU, doesnt mean that he doesnt entertain someone else... and whoever WWE creative is high on right now (Hardy) will probably win and recieve a great push for awhile, and if all of you guys dont like it, dont watch it,



And, new guy who was debating with Will, what you have to remember is that ALL of these posts on all of the forum are OPINION, so dont take it personally...


At least Hardy's promos make sense, at least some of them, Hardys promos would prolly be better if he had more than 30 secs to drop it...

 

[mattitude2007]

Jeff has more mic skills than lashley and batista combined?

Lashley yeah, that's a given, but Batista no.

Jeff still sucks on the mic and says 'man' too much.

Batista has become quite competetant on the mic, and some of the stuff he has said as really made me chuckle in the past.

Jeff? Not so much. He's wooden on the mic, but his confidence is growing I give him that.

 

[wweman1]

i agree im not sold yet on jeff hardy. his mic skills still need a bit of improvement but otherwise he can definatly be called a main event wrestler. his in ring skills are solid and are entertaining. He definatly will have a title run after WM because at the moment he is way over with the crowd

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Here's the thing. I like Jeff Hardy. He's entertaining to me, and I like a good underdog story. You can say he has a lack of talent or whatever, but it just comes off as being really whiny.

Everyone says that Jeff isn't worthy of getting a push. But who would you push instead? Now, I know that some of you Hardy-Haters are going to say that that very comment proves your point, and that if he was good enough on his own, then he would have been pushed like Trips, Lesnar, Batista, or Cena. But seriously, I just read a bunch of whining and saying that Jeff is a spot monkey. Who cares? It sells. We live in a time when Jackass is one of the most popular titles being promoted, and backyard wrestling, an institution full of "spot monkeys," is popular among teenage wrestling fans.

It's too early to tell how big of an impact that this title shot will have, but I can go ahead and guarantee that it is infinitely more legit than title shots given to the likes of The Big Bossman or Mark Henry.

Hardy sells. This is a business, and what's best for business and for green is what Vince will do. Putting the gold on Hardy seems like a good idea right now. I mean, we're all here debating it, right? Was there any debate as to the legitimacy of David Arquette's title reign? or Vince Russo? I don't think so. Conversation is a symptom of interest, which is what the WWE desperately needs...and is apparently receiving.

 

[Rusty]

For starters can I just say that everyone has their own opinions on different superstars and therefore there are going to be debates in every forum because different people root for different wrestlers.

Jeff Hardy has improved so much in the ring this past year. The last 2 weeks he has absolutely blown me away. I know he isnt the best techinical wrestler but he entertains every single time he is on camera. He is way overrr with the crowd. He pinned HHH for Gods sake. That accomplishment alone proves he is a legitimate contender.

Believe me he is definately NOT a one hit wonder. In fact I think Jeff could be WWE champ in about 6 or 7 months. Not yet though as he needs more main event matches to gain the experience. Randy will most likely win at the RR but I wont be surprised if Hardy manages to win either.

The Great Khali has been world champ. That means basicly anyone in the WWE can be World champ (On Smackdown!!!!). I know Jeff is on the flagship brand of the WWE but look at Mysterio, he main evented Wrestlemania and even won the Royal Rumble. If Rey can do that than Im sure Jeff Hardy is a future WWE Champ and Im damn proud of how much he has improved lately!!

 

[Lil Wes]

Jeff has more mic skills than lashley and batista combined?

Yeah his promo's skills arent terribly weak. They are enough to get by when you got guys like Lashley, Cena and Batista main eventing and being the top guys in the company.

Lashley yeah, that's a given, but Batista no.

Lolz. Batista has the promo skills of a cardboard box.

Jeff still sucks on the mic and says 'man' too much.

Meh, he's pretty shit but hell this is like the first time in his career he's using the mic often, he'll improve over time and has already cut a couple of good promo's IMO with Kennedy. And the ones with Orton aren't as terrible as people make them out to be..

 

[MachoFan]

I would not go as far as the most over face in the company today but he is certainly up there. As for his championship credentials i feel this time of year he will not win the strap. This is because with wrestlemania just round the corner the legends such as HBK, Undertaker, HHH etc will be top of the list to host the granddaddy of them all. i feel this is a test fro Jeff Hardy to see if he can handle main event level. The past few weeks he has been a huge success on RAW with his leap of cages and stages that got amazing pops and earnt him a lot of respect back stage. If Hardy does impress at the big event then maybe he will be one of the favourites to win MITB this year. if he does become champ i wthink it has to be later in the year as he is not yet the full main event player we all hope he can become. my prediction Orton to retain. the question that should be asked here is do WWE consider Orton strong enough to headline Wrestlemaina....

 

[zeus3007]

lmfao not entertaining to the majority of the crowd do you even watch RAW hes been getting the biggest crowd reactions for months and unlike Cena they arnt mixed with 50/50 boos, they are 99% in favour of Hardy, you are clearly blinded by your hate for the man and have no respectable opinion

and to add that he saved the last 2 RAWs from being disasters

Cena didn't start out with half of the crowd booing either, but much like Cena, Hardy will if he becomes champ. There is a major difference between being a popular wrestler and good enough to carry the company. Some of the owrst champions of all time were the "popular" guy they decided desrves a title (Warrior, Mysterio, Batista, Cena).

 

[orangepee]

wow. there has been a lot of back and forth on this. nice to see

normally BigWill i agree with you on a lot of stuff you post in here, but i dissagree with you here, not because i dont like you, i do like you, nice guy, good points on everything and you have a lot of information, i wish i had that much to back my opinion everytime i've posted, obviously i dont since i have been banned 4 times for spamming, but i think i have learned what spamming is. anywho onto my thoughts...

I voted 'he's paid his dues' and i stand behind my opinion but when it comes down to it, he really has paid his dues and has made a lot of money for the company weather it be merchandise or putting people in the seats. on monday night raw to me it sounded like the crowd was cheering for him. not sure if i had my volume up too loud or not. my wife who watches WWE just cause i do likes jeff hardy because he is entertaining... (she cant stand TNA cause of the comentators but thats not for this section of the forum to talk about, i was just throwing that out there)

to me it seems like his mic skills could improve. he does still talk with little confidence and has kind of a rare voice that is almost annoying but i still understand what he's saying. keep in mind like others have said, he has spent most of his career in the ring and not on the mic.

ok just to clear the air that he isnt 'good at wrestling... here is the definition to wrestling...
--- "Wrestling is the act of physical engagement between two unarmed persons, in which each wrestler strives to get an advantage over or control of their opponent." ---
not sure what everyone else watches on monday nights on the USA network from 9pm to 11:15pm (eastern time) but i see jeff doing that very thing. he wins and i think everyone knows jeff doesnt make the choice to win or lose, last i checked the writing team makes those desisions, which they have done really well at lately of continueing to develop his character... if you think back at jeffs character he is always doing high spots that cost him main events just like at wrestlemania this past year... he jumped off the ladder onto edge and that was a highspot... but it was entertaining, which he is really good at doing.

final thought (and no i wont respond to argueing with anyone because i am not a master debator...) i think it would be best to give hardy the title till no way out to help build his character and build back the importance of the WWE belt, putting it on him would be great to see, even tough vince is a fond believer of long title reigns... then down the road orton (or someone that needs star status b/c as soon as orton got the belt when cena got hurt it instantly put orton into star status) comes back and destroys him for it at no way out or on a monday night and then we have another great underdog story to watch.

i give the WWE 2 thumbs up for making this a very interesting fued.

 

[hardmick33]

Can I first say I love how every thread on this site somehow turns into a Batista/Cena bash fest? It's quite amazing.

ANYHOO... I voted "He's paid his dues" and let me start by saying I have been a big fan of Jeff Hardy for a long time. I enjoy how he will do basically anything to steal a show and I think he has more balls in that respect then mostly anyone ever has in the WWE. I would say the business overall, but we all know ECW would have made his daredevil stuff look bush league. I think he has always been great in that spot from the early ladder matches to all the TLC matches and even this past MITB spot off the ladder through Edge on the outside. The man is insane. However as many have said this is not enough to consider him a legit main eventer. Up until he took his break from the WWE, I can honestly say I don't remember him having a 4 star normal wrestling match, maybe not even a 3 star. He shined when ladders where involved like the Undisputed Title Ladder Match vs the Undertaker. There were quite a few times in that match I honestly thought he was going to win. It was amazing.

With that being said, since he has been back with the WWE especially this past year, he has consistently grown. His normal wrestling matches are, in my opinion, 10 times better then they used to be and he has been involved in the match of the week on numerous occasions. He is growing every week and can still do the daredevil things that brought him to the show in the first place. Just look at the last 2 weeks to prove that. Granted he still has a long way to go with his mic work, but in my opinion someone who will lay their body on the line like he does while still getting better and better in the ring. Then on top of all this he's getting the biggest pops night after night. This is someone who will some day hold a world title. Do I think he should win at RR? I'm uncertain. Orton's doing well establishing himself as a heel and one of the future cornerstones of the company and deserves to prove what he can do with it. The problem for Jeff now is the time of year it is. Wrestlemania is coming and as good as he's doing, he is not ready to main event the biggest wrestling show there is in a regular wrestling match. But honestly, if he continues to get better as he has been for the next year I see no problem giving him the title and even more I can see him proving he is an established main man at Wrestlemania 25.

I can see people's point that he is a spot monkey, in a way he is. That's how he got his claim to fame. But what's wrong with being a spot monkey if you can tell a story in the ring and not only get the fans to care about you, but get them to love you? To me there's no question that within the next year, probably sooner then later, Jeff Hardy will be a World Champion