Jeff Hardy: Legitimate Contender or One Time Wonder

Jeff Hardy: Legitimate or One Time Wonder

  • Legitimate: He's paid his dues

  • Neutral: Not sure.. yet need more time to tell

  • One Time Wonder: He's their only option for a new challenger


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Im a hardy mark for lyfe!

Its a shame really, they could have at least given a more.. non squash finish to the match then Orton just RKOing him after about 3 top rope moves and hitting the shit out of Orton with a slide dropkick.

It was an entertaining match for sure, the finish made me sorta devo though. Always love to see hardy win. Mark 4 lyfe
 
I don't think it was his time. I'm a major Hardy fan, but It's not his time to be WWE Champion.. Yet. WWE used him as an interim contender because nobody else was left, but I think Jeff is ready to hang on the Upper card. He paid his dues these past few years, and I doubt they'll throw him back to the midcard picture after all this build up and him being in the Elimination Chamber. Jeff can be a solid main eventer in the future, but just not right now. Keep building him nice and slow, don't over-do anything, and he will be REALLY over in the future. Personnally, I can see him winning MITB, and hopefully he won't get injured and screw himself over like Mr. Kennedy did
 
I think this thread is getting more relevant by the day, after Jeff losing CLEAN last night, looks like he's a one hit wonder, unless some miracle happens and he wins the Chamber and goes to SDown to face Edge and Taker in a triple threat. God I'm clutching at straws now!

Anyways looks like his star will soon fade, shame.
 
I personally think that the Hardy-Orton fued was one of the better feuds in recent months with the exception that it shouldnt have been so one sided with Hardy always getting the advantage leading into the Rumble just to lose cleanly. It was entertaining and it was fresh to see Hardy in the main event. The crowd obviously enjoyed it and i think the creative team should have seen that and atleast keep Hardy as a contender. He has been around long enough and is over enough with the fans to get more of a shot instead of just a one month chase at the title. However with Cena back in the picture now it may be safe to say that Hardy wont get another shot anytime soon.
 
I think both Hardys are potential main eventers. Jeff gets the biggest pops on his show. I've seen people say he lacks mic skills. He's getting better at that every week i see him. WWE should definately give him a title reign after Wrestlemania.
 
YA THINK?! I really wish I could just leave the post with those two words. Its what I've been trying to burn into every Hardy mark's head for the previous four weeks.

Jeff Hardy was nothing more than a stepping stone, to something greater for other people. He was never thought of as a legit contender, otherwise he'd of received a Championship match at a p.p.v. that wasn't "made" strictly by a 30 man gimmick match. (Royal Rumble) Noone ordered that p.p.v. (alone) thinking it was for Jeff Hardy to win the W.W.E. Championship, and if they did.. then I'm sorry.. they are purely dedicated to fantasy.

I said it in the review I did, Jeff Hardy's match was good, quite possibly the best match he's ever had that didn't involve cheap pops by him leaping off high places, or using ladders to get ovations. But on his "best" night, when he carried the entire match through offense.. and Randy Orton had practically NO offensive moves at all.. he (Hardy) still couldn't get the job done.

And for Randy Orton to basically get squashed that entire match, only to randomly hit ONE R.K.O.. it shows how much they want you to see how "weak" Jeff Hardy is, for Orton to withstand all that punishment, yet for Hardy to fall under the pressure of ONE finishing move.

Really.. I'm sorry that Hardy didn't get the Championship, but I'm happy that it shut 80% of you Hardy fans up.. now I can try peacefully sleeping at night, without thinking I'm gonna wake up to 20 posts that look like they're from the same guy, ranting on how Hardy is gonna become World Champion because he deserves it, or because he's worked so hard to gain it, or even because hes truly talented and gifted enough to have it.

Jeff Hardy's day, MAY someday come.. but it won't be anywhere near leading into the biggest event in Wrestling history.

Trust me I'm not even a Jeff fan. I was hoping to see Randy go over, but I do respect Jeff and I wanted to see him look strong regardless of the outcome.

Well....that didn't happen at all as we all know now. One R.K.O out of nowhere ended it and now Hardy's momentum seems to have hit a road block.

Its a bit sad to me.
 
Hardy would be great to be kept in the title picture. But now that Cena is back everything is going to have to just stop for him sadly. I think Jeff would have won the title at some point if Cena was gone for the 12 months we were promised.
 
Conspicuous Asparagus said:
No, Cena at least knows how to properly build a match and build to a climax, Jeff Hardy doesn't. He throws the whisper in the wind randomly into a match. There is no build up to it or anything, just a random spot.

Just because he has a tendency to use his Whisper in the Wind for the occasional random spot does not mean, by any means, that he can't build up a match properly. Not every spot is a "random spot" with Jeff.

Besides, it's not like his WitW is a match-decider or anything, it's not like 'Taker randomly tombstoning someone without building up to it. It's just part of how he gets the crowd behind him before he makes his "comeback" near the end of the match.
 
I honestly think this was a one time wonder. Hardy will never win the WWE title. The day he does is when HBK, HHH, and other major superstar hang up their boots. It's not happening, Hardy is not a main event superstar.

Mic work is awful but his in ring skills are still great in my opinion.
 
Trust me I'm not even a Jeff fan. I was hoping to see Randy go over, but I do respect Jeff and I wanted to see him look strong regardless of the outcome.

Well....that didn't happen at all as we all know now. One R.K.O out of nowhere ended it and now Hardy's momentum seems to have hit a road block.

Its a bit sad to me.

I'm not really sure how you could say that. Jeff Hardy dominated the whole match. Its likely the only match in W.W.E. (or F) history that a challenger has completely squashed the Champion, only to still end up losing in the end.

Jeff Hardy did everything in that match, and I'll give him all the credit in the world for it, because he hit every one of his signature moves to perfection. The only spot that was slightly off, was the moonsault to Orton outside the ring. He didn't connect with it, but that was more Orton's fault for not getting set up properly under him.

The only thing that I've been saying for the previous month is what came true though. W.W.E. (in my mind, and apparently there's) doesn't view Jeff Hardy as a Main Event wrestler. They took the open chance to place him in this match at the Royal Rumble, because they had nothing to lose. Noone was ordering the p.p.v. because of that match, they were doing it for the Rumble. So they figured.. if it went well, Hardy could get another shot down the line.. if it didn't, they wouldn't lose face.

However, the ending was how I imagined W.W.E. to basically view Hardy.. "weak." Hardy hit everything, yet couldn't "win the big one." Orton was squashed by Hardy, yet with-stood everything. Finally, Orton hits one R.K.O., after basically not hitting anything. (minus a clothesline, or a rest hold) To me, thats the basis of how they view Hardy as a person.. "Not good enough to withstand one downfall." Or plain and simply.. "Weak."

Hardy has my respect for what he does, but I still don't view him as anything great. One match doesn't suddenly make you great. And he has to continue putting on those types of matches to turn things around. If that happens, then I see him becoming Champion, possibly at Summerslam.
 
The only thing that I've been saying for the previous month is what came true though. W.W.E. (in my mind, and apparently there's) doesn't view Jeff Hardy as a Main Event wrestler. They took the open chance to place him in this match at the Royal Rumble, because they had nothing to lose. Noone was ordering the p.p.v. because of that match, they were doing it for the Rumble. So they figured.. if it went well, Hardy could get another shot down the line.. if it didn't, they wouldn't lose face.


how can you say no one was ordering the ppv for this match, i know and have spoken to plenty of people, that were ordering the ppv for this match, which may not have been what the wwe had planned on when they made this match, but in the end the feud got a life of its own and i think ended up being a lot bigger than the wwe was expecting, and thusly why their has been a large amount of backlash about the result and finish of the match.
 
how can you say no one was ordering the ppv for this match, i know and have spoken to plenty of people, that were ordering the ppv for this match, which may not have been what the wwe had planned on when they made this match, but in the end the feud got a life of its own and i think ended up being a lot bigger than the wwe was expecting, and thusly why their has been a large amount of backlash about the result and finish of the match.

Okay, quit trying to fool yourself. Noone ordered the "Royal Rumble" for a Championship match. Its highly unlikely that a W.W.E. Heavyweight Championship, would change hands at this event. With exception of a few times, the event itself has always been to "solidify" a Champion headed into Wrestlemania.

I'm telling you right now, regardless if you wish to hear it or not. (Which, its only an opinion, so take it for that) The ONLY reason Jeff Hardy squashed Randy Orton in that match.. was likely because of the power-trip that is going on behind the scenes. Orton seriously got "owned" not because he is a weaker wrestler, but because they basically wanted to make him look bad for what he did.

Jeff Hardy wasn't given a Championship match on a p.p.v. that could've been carried by his match alone. Thats why he was given the safety net of the Rumble (gimmick) match. Hardy has an incredible fan base, for how unbelievably horrible he truly is. I mean, yes, he's fun to watch.. but only as long as he's putting on matches like the one against Orton (which never happens) or only if he's leaping off something high.

Outside of that, I always found it ironic that he was giving John Morrison crap during their feud about how its better to watch paint dry.. when I feel the exact same way about a regular Hardy match that doesn't involve ladders.

I'll completely go on record for saying Jeff Hardy has the ability after that match to become a World Champion.. but NOT when it regards him carrying the Championship into a big time p.p.v. like Wrestlemania. Summerslam, maybe. Survivor Series, probably.. Mania, never.
 
Okay, quit trying to fool yourself. Noone ordered the "Royal Rumble" for a Championship match. Its highly unlikely that a W.W.E. Heavyweight Championship, would change hands at this event. With exception of a few times, the event itself has always been to "solidify" a Champion headed into Wrestlemania.

i must of fooled myself then because i seem to remember ordering the royal rumble because of the Hardy/Orton match, so for you to say no one ordered the ppv for the championship, is wrong because i did, and guess what im one person, and i know i wasnt the only who did, so get off your high horse which seem to think you can tell me why everyone ordered the ppv, i didnt know you took a register and polled everyone as to why they purchased the royal rumble, just because you ordered it for the royal rumble doesnt mean everyone else did, because you are not everyone
 
i must of fooled myself then because i seem to remember ordering the royal rumble because of the Hardy/Orton match, so for you to say no one ordered the ppv for the championship, is wrong because i did, and guess what im one person

Then I guess you feel pretty let down, seeing as to how your hero got stomped by one simple R.K.O. after hitting every spot he knows how to hit. Its Hardy's lift story.. just not quite good.. enough.

And please, you randomly wanna talk to me about being on some horse. When you're running your mouth to me about how that match was built to be so great. They pushed Hardy to the moon because it was the only way they felt he could get over as a legit contender. If Orton even so much as got one week worth of upper handedness.. noone would've seen Hardy as worth it.

They had to make Hardy look as unstoppable as possible for people to even remotely think he stood a chance.

i didnt know you took a register and polled everyone as to why they purchased the royal rumble, just because you ordered it for the royal rumble doesnt mean everyone else did, because you are not everyone

Sounds like a challenge to me. Do you really want me taking a poll on how many people ordered the Royal Rumble to see the Hardy/Orton match, or the actual Rumble match? The only justifying thing that poll would even do for you is cause people to vote for the Hardy match being more interesting, since it wasn't littered with Cena's return all over it.
 
Hey Will I have been a lurker on this forum for quite some time and to be honest I have come to respect and there are certainly some truths to your posts. However, in my opinion I feel that you might be a little harsh on Jeff Hardy with regards to your criticism about him, maybe you might have some dislike for his wrestling or lack of wrestling abilities compared to utter wrestlers?

Now I am a Jeff Hardy fan through and through, in fact I would love to meet the man one day. I do agree that he has limited wrestling abilities compared to other wrestlers but he certainly has been improving. His mic skills obviously need work but from what I have seen he speaks well and is articulate but his promos are kind of cringeworthy.

And yes, I do agree with Will on the following,

"They had to make Hardy look as unstoppable as possible for people to even remotely think he stood a chance."

And I did order the PPV because of the Jeff Hardy match, only because I enjoy watching him in the ring.
 
I think Will is underestimating Hardy. Since his returns we have seen a completely different wrestler. His matches are filled with a lot less spots then they used to be.

He has improved leaps and bounds with his story telling ability, his mic skills are a lot better than what they used to be, he botches a lot less moves, and most importantly, is the most over star the WWE has right now.

The crowd reacts to him. And it just isn't the spots. They react to his appearance, his promos, his entrance, his offense, his comeback. They react to everything the man does, and in wrestling that means so much. You can be the best damn wrestler on the planet, but without a crowd reaction you're worthless.

I really think it was a mistake for them not to give Hardy a 1 month title reign and for him to lose it back at No Way Out. Sort of test the grounds. I think he could be considered a serious, 100% legit contender, by the time next years Rumble rolls around though. He needs to keep imporving, keep working, and spend some more time at the main event scene.

Could you imagine if Hardy, being the underdog he is always billed as, came in the Rumble at the 1 spot to win? The crowd reaction that would generate would be absolutely amazing and do tons for the WWE, IMO of course.
 
Hey Will I have been a lurker on this forum for quite some time and to be honest I have come to respect and there are certainly some truths to your posts. However, in my opinion I feel that you might be a little harsh on Jeff Hardy with regards to your criticism about him, maybe you might have some dislike for his wrestling or lack of wrestling abilities compared to utter wrestlers?

As far as "I" personally go. I enjoy watching several Jeff Hardy matches, but mainly only when they involve ladders. Because to me, personally, he can't wrestle. He's a very "average" version of what R.V.D. was upon first entering the W.W.E. (during the InVasion) In that, I basically mean.. Jeff Hardy is a spot wrestler. He hits his "signature" moves, (whisper in the wind, the low blow leg drop, twist of fate, swanton, etc) and he doesn't use anything new. He doesn't do anything else.

W.W.E. got on R.V.D. about simply "working his stuff and ending the match" and thats exactly what Hardy does. So why should Hardy be praised, when R.V.D. is by leaps and bounds far more talented than him? I don't see the "love" people have for Jeff Hardy, when he truly ISN'T anything great of a Professional Wrestler. His best "wrestling" match was against Orton, and honestly, 70% of that match was him working from one of his signature spots to another. He added a lot more than normal, which is why I credit him for that match.. but overall, until he starts wrestling those types of single's (non-gimmick) matches everytime.. he doesn't deserve anything. (Including the Intercontinental Championship)

Now I am a Jeff Hardy fan through and through, in fact I would love to meet the man one day. I do agree that he has limited wrestling abilities compared to other wrestlers but he certainly has been improving. His mic skills obviously need work but from what I have seen he speaks well and is articulate but his promos are kind of cringeworthy.

Okay, I really have an issue with this. Just because I think you're butchering the word "articulate." There is nothing articulate about Jeff Hardy, except for how well he "hurts" himself in matches. Hes by far one of the worst guys on the mic, that I've ever seen.

Him saying "I don't respect you" or "I'm gonna take you out" (over and over) isn't articulate, its repetitive because he can't think (on the fly) of what to say next. He doesn't and likely never will have the speech ability someone like Mr. Kennedy, Shawn Michaels, Triple H., The Rock, or even Santino will have. (yes, Santino) So Hardy improving leaps and bound on the mic is a MUST, but I'm not holding my breath at it every being anything "great."

And yes, I do agree with Will on the following,

"They had to make Hardy look as unstoppable as possible for people to even remotely think he stood a chance."

Okay, you just said you're a Hardy fan.. and you agreed that you felt they'd have to push him as unstoppable for people to even remotely think he stood a chance. That in itself says a lot, because its saying that not even pure Hardy fans believe he deserves his spot.. and had Hardy even slightly looked weak against Orton, it would've "shattered" anyone into thinking he could win.

And I did order the PPV because of the Jeff Hardy match, only because I enjoy watching him in the ring.

Then you wasted $40.00.. either that, or you're incredibly in love with Jeff Hardy. Because I'm telling you (again) right now. No one (seriously) ordered the Royal Rumble event because of a one time match, with Jeff Hardy getting a Championship match. The event itself surrounded a 30 man gimmick match. That gimmick match has always (more or less) been the single match headliner.. and noone (more or less) orders that event, thinking.. "Well, I'd of ordered the p.p.v. even if the Rumble wasn't involved, because I wanted to see this ONE match."
 
I think Will is underestimating Hardy. Since his returns we have seen a completely different wrestler. His matches are filled with a lot less spots then they used to be.

The only reason that could even remotely be true, is only because he isn't wrestling in nearly as many ladder matches as he used to. However, I think you're missing the point of what "I" consider to be a spot.

"I" see a spot not only as a dive off something high, but as well a wrestler hitting all of their signature moves. Hardy doesn't do anything different, he goes out, does his normal stuff, and thats it. And as far as him returning as a different wrestler.. HOW?! He hasn't changed one thing about what he's done. Its the same watered down, "high risk" stuff you always see.

He has improved leaps and bounds with his story telling ability, his mic skills are a lot better than what they used to be, he botches a lot less moves, and most importantly, is the most over star the WWE has right now.

Story Telling: I'm fascinated with how you see Hardy leaping off something high week after week as telling an incredible story.

I can see it now. Hardy leaps off a ladder, to which J.R. says "By Gawd, King, did you see that? Hardy just said he's coming for the W.W.E. Championship!" Then Hardy a week later dives off a scaffold to which J.R. then says "Holy crap, King, Hardy just said he won't back down! He's completely determined to be Champion!" To finish it all with Hardy leaping off the top of a building, in which J.R. finishes up by saying.. "CENAS BACK! CENAS BACK! CENAS BACK!" Because you should've knew long ago, when John Cena's music hit, Hardy's dreams of being anything other than a spot worker went up in smoke.

Mic Skills: The only reason they're anything better than before, is because before they never let him talk.

Less Botches: He works smaller amount of time during the match. He doesn't have as much time as before to screw up as much. :p

Over: I think you could've stopped by simply saying "Jeff Hardy is over." But not in the sense you'd see it as. Because once again, with guys like Cena being back.. Hardy won't ever see the Main Event again.. (unless of course, its as Cena's partner)

The crowd reacts to him. And it just isn't the spots. They react to his appearance, his promos, his entrance, his offense, his comeback. They react to everything the man does, and in wrestling that means so much. You can be the best damn wrestler on the planet, but without a crowd reaction you're worthless.

The fans do incredibly react to him, but thats only because people love violence. They love seeing risk, and injury. Hardy gives them that. I'm almost guaranteeing you right now.. someone could walk out with a gun, shoot John Cena in the face, and the building would erupt with ovation! Hardy isn't anything special when it comes to ovation, he just risks his body more, which is what the fans want.

I really think it was a mistake for them not to give Hardy a 1 month title reign and for him to lose it back at No Way Out. Sort of test the grounds. I think he could be considered a serious, 100% legit contender, by the time next years Rumble rolls around though. He needs to keep imporving, keep working, and spend some more time at the main event scene.

One Month Title Reign: I think it would've been incredibly stupid, and basically running the W.W.E. Championship through the mud to have Hardy win it for a month, then drop it back to the guy he won it from a month later. The Championship deserves to be held by someone who'll carry it, and make it look at its best. Hardy isn't ready for that yet. AFTER Mania, he might be.

Could you imagine if Hardy, being the underdog he is always billed as, came in the Rumble at the 1 spot to win? The crowd reaction that would generate would be absolutely amazing and do tons for the WWE, IMO of course.

Rumble Spot: The #1/2 Rumble spots are highly overrated anymore. Ric Flair in 1992 did the "unthinkable" when he won from #3. Shawn Michaels did the "impossible" when he won from #1. Chris Benoit basically made the number look iffy, because people knew he was gonna win it, dispite being #1. McMahon made the #2. spot look like a sham when he didn't even stay IN the actual match, yet ended up winning.. and finally, Mysterio made the Rumble look completely rigged and fake (no offense to Rey) because they made him completely underdog the whole thing and win.

If Hardy won the Rumble, it'd be shocking, no doubt.. but I'd rather see him enter #9, or some odd ball middle number to do it. Of course I won't have to worry about that, because I doubt Hardy will ever win something as big as the Royal Rumble.
 
Hardy winning the title would make for a good moment but I don't think it would be a good reign. They could have him win the title at a big event, summerslam or wrestlemania even. There would be a big reaction for it. But then he should lose it soon after because I don't think he has the tools or the ability to keep the crowd interested in him as champion. He's decent for being used as someone who chases the the title and being used as a contender.

I don't see hardy as ever being a main focus in the way Cena is or anything but He's one of their stars. I don't care for a lot of his stuff but I can recognize him as being one of their bigger stars.
 
Hey Will, buddy good to see your reply. Firstly I am not a delusional Jeff Hardy who defends him from deserved criticism about his abilities fan but one who supports him and knows his strengths and weaknesses. Anyway, with regards to your response, granted if spots in your opinion is a wrestler hitting their signature moves then I must say Jeff is that kind of wrestler. I have however seen him add more moves to his wrestling repertoire (dont ask me what, I am a casual viewer I dont even know what a bulldog is :blush: ) Well if you dont understand why Jeff Hardy is loved by many, I shall give you the reason why hes this individuals favourite wrestler - He entertains me and I enjoy his style, his look, his entrance, his performance in the ring, it appeals to me and apparently it does to many others. You may feel that in terms of wrestling ability he does not deserve the Intercontinental Championship but have you seen his matches for the Intercontinental Title? His pops are so much louder than his opponents, this is keeping in mind that the WWE is World Wrestling Entertainment - which would mean that apart from having the ability to wrestle you must also have the ability to entertain the crowd which Jeff is more than capable of, of course not to everyone.

Ok maybe I didnt make my point clear over Jeff Hardys mic skills. Jeff is well-spoken and articulate but that does not equal good mic skills. I meant that his command of the English language is good, he speaks well in a NORMAL setting. Some vids I have seen of him in youtube, when he was strumming his guitar for once. But when it comes to trash-talking, like "Im gonna take you out" etc, that kind of trash talk yea its cringeworthy. The Rock was brilliant at this, Y2J is good at it, Santino too in his special unique way (that Rehab song deserves special mention), Jeff isnt and I agree that he needs to improve on his trash-talking mic skills. Once again, I reiterate that being well-spoken and articulate does not equate to good mic skills.

Yes I do agree that WWE needed to make Jeff Hardy look strong because hey, before his push, whenever he faced Randy Orton he has always come up short, he has always lost. So how can people take him seriously as a legitimate challenger to Ortons title? So they made Hardy look strong by making him do what he does best, and that is hitting his finishers from high places.

Ok, once again, I may not have put my point across properly. The main reason why I ordered the PPV was to watch the Jeff Hardy match. That was my primary goal. I was also interested in the Rey Mysterio match with Edge because I am a fan of his too (Edge hit that spear from nowhere! It was pretty good). And it also helps that you dont usually see 10+ wrestlers in the ring having a go at each other too!
 
The only reason that could even remotely be true, is only because he isn't wrestling in nearly as many ladder matches as he used to. However, I think you're missing the point of what "I" consider to be a spot.

"I" see a spot not only as a dive off something high, but as well a wrestler hitting all of their signature moves. Hardy doesn't do anything different, he goes out, does his normal stuff, and thats it. And as far as him returning as a different wrestler.. HOW?! He hasn't changed one thing about what he's done. Its the same watered down, "high risk" stuff you always see.

How is he a different wrestler? Better in ring chemistry, better move execution, better crowd play and control. He may do the same moves, but he has changed his style in my opinion.


Story Telling: I'm fascinated with how you see Hardy leaping off something high week after week as telling an incredible story.

What? The Orton/Hardy series was GREAT. That cage match was brilliant. He is in a cage with a monster, tries to go out the door, BOOM, no exit. Goes to climb over the cage, BOOM, cut off. He has already done a good amount of damage and couldn't get the 3, so what would it take to get a 3 count, and show he wants the title? A whisper in the wind off the cage.

Hardy says he is going to take Orton out. A 10 foot Swanton off the stage, not good enough, he wants to take him out, a 15 foot Swanton, still not good enough, HE WANTS TO TAKE HIM OUT, so he goes HIGHER. The hand signal as he was being carried out on the stretcher, "I am okay, I took him out."

Sure, there were TWO high risk spots, but it was a great story.


I can see it now. Hardy leaps off a ladder, to which J.R. says "By Gawd, King, did you see that? Hardy just said he's coming for the W.W.E. Championship!" Then Hardy a week later dives off a scaffold to which J.R. then says "Holy crap, King, Hardy just said he won't back down! He's completely determined to be Champion!" To finish it all with Hardy leaping off the top of a building, in which J.R. finishes up by saying.. "CENAS BACK! CENAS BACK! CENAS BACK!" Because you should've knew long ago, when John Cena's music hit, Hardy's dreams of being anything other than a spot worker went up in smoke.

I don't see how the WWE crappy commentary lines and horrible booking have anything to do with the quality of the product Jeff Hardy has been putting out lately. Perhaps you are trying to give an example as to why Hardy isn't legitimate? Just seems out of context with the rest of the post (not the thread though)

Mic Skills: The only reason they're anything better than before, is because before they never let him talk.

That's certainly not true. He may be getting MORE mic time, but he has always been on the mic sparingly. Just go and compare old promos to new promos, there is a huge difference.


Less Botches: He works smaller amount of time during the match. He doesn't have as much time as before to screw up as much. :p

Go look at the Hardy/Orton match. 13 minutes of great execution by Hardy. The only botch I can think of is the top rope splash which I blame on Orton for being out of place. Go look at a lot of his matches lately. He is doing everything that is being asked of him.

Over: I think you could've stopped by simply saying "Jeff Hardy is over." But not in the sense you'd see it as. Because once again, with guys like Cena being back.. Hardy won't ever see the Main Event again.. (unless of course, its as Cena's partner)

So who is Cena going to face in the ME scene? Is it always RKO, HHH, and HBK? New names have to come in, I see no indication of Hardy not sticking around in the ME scene.


The fans do incredibly react to him, but thats only because people love violence. They love seeing risk, and injury. Hardy gives them that. I'm almost guaranteeing you right now.. someone could walk out with a gun, shoot John Cena in the face, and the building would erupt with ovation! Hardy isn't anything special when it comes to ovation, he just risks his body more, which is what the fans want.

People would indeed erupt with ovation, but that is due to more of the amount of people who can't stand Cena as opposed to the love for violence. I am more than willing to admit, part of the reason Hardy is over is due to the risks he takes.

But it is his character. You fall in love with the character. Little kids love Hardy cause he shows no fear. Adults seem to like the underdog story we all enjoy. I know several girls who like him simply because he they think he is hot (like my cousin for example). He has mass appeal, and this just isn't because he jumps high off of things.


One Month Title Reign: I think it would've been incredibly stupid, and basically running the W.W.E. Championship through the mud to have Hardy win it for a month, then drop it back to the guy he won it from a month later. The Championship deserves to be held by someone who'll carry it, and make it look at its best. Hardy isn't ready for that yet. AFTER Mania, he might be.
8 months after Jacobs debut as Kane, he won the championship and hold on to it for 1 night. Did that damage the WWE title at all? Did people view less of Kane? Did it drop Kane from the ME scene? Did it has any negative side effects? No to all the above.


Rumble Spot: The #1/2 Rumble spots are highly overrated anymore. Ric Flair in 1992 did the "unthinkable" when he won from #3. Shawn Michaels did the "impossible" when he won from #1. Chris Benoit basically made the number look iffy, because people knew he was gonna win it, dispite being #1. McMahon made the #2. spot look like a sham when he didn't even stay IN the actual match, yet ended up winning.. and finally, Mysterio made the Rumble look completely rigged and fake (no offense to Rey) because they made him completely underdog the whole thing and win.

If Hardy won the Rumble, it'd be shocking, no doubt.. but I'd rather see him enter #9, or some odd ball middle number to do it. Of course I won't have to worry about that, because I doubt Hardy will ever win something as big as the Royal Rumble.


I see your point on the #1/2 being overrated, but for Hardy's underdog story coming against the odds, lack of size, strength, he does indeed need to come into the Rumble within the first 5 spots probably.
 
How is he a different wrestler? Better in ring chemistry, better move execution, better crowd play and control. He may do the same moves, but he has changed his style in my opinion.

How does he have any of that? Better in ring chemistry? He's working with mostly different people, I'd hope it was different. Better move execution? He's been in the business longer, I'd hope he'd have learned as he went along. Better crowd play and control? What do you mean by this?

What? The Orton/Hardy series was GREAT. That cage match was brilliant. He is in a cage with a monster, tries to go out the door, BOOM, no exit. Goes to climb over the cage, BOOM, cut off. He has already done a good amount of damage and couldn't get the 3, so what would it take to get a 3 count, and show he wants the title? A whisper in the wind off the cage.

So THATS what everyone else has been doing wrong, when they wanted a title shot. So, next week, Cena's gonna leap off a cage? Since when is showing that you'd risk your body, for no other reason than to get down quicker, a sign that you want a W.W.E. Championship match?

Hardy says he is going to take Orton out. A 10 foot Swanton off the stage, not good enough, he wants to take him out, a 15 foot Swanton, still not good enough, HE WANTS TO TAKE HIM OUT, so he goes HIGHER. The hand signal as he was being carried out on the stretcher, "I am okay, I took him out."

Sure, there were TWO high risk spots, but it was a great story.

That WAS the story. A moron risking his own life, to ultimately fail. It'll end up on the lifetime channel in about a month.

And the hand signal was the dumbest thing Hardy did. He completely made the angle and injury seem fake. Think about it, if YOU were being helped away, would you suddenly think in your head.. "shit, better hold up my catch phrase so people know I'm okay." NO, you wouldn't.

That's certainly not true. He may be getting MORE mic time, but he has always been on the mic sparingly. Just go and compare old promos to new promos, there is a huge difference.

They're a huge difference because he seriously NEVER got mic time before. When prior to his T.N.A. stay, do you ever remember him talking on the mic.. at least more than once every couple of monthes?

Go look at the Hardy/Orton match. 13 minutes of great execution by Hardy. The only botch I can think of is the top rope splash which I blame on Orton for being out of place. Go look at a lot of his matches lately. He is doing everything that is being asked of him.

Seriously, did you just quote what I said.. and claim it as your own? I said this very same thing not that long ago. And my point is, he had to completely squash Orton IN that match, still, for people to believe he had a legit shot.

Orton couldn't get hardly any offense in, because people would've given up that quickly on believing Hardy would lose.

So who is Cena going to face in the ME scene? Is it always RKO, HHH, and HBK? New names have to come in, I see no indication of Hardy not sticking around in the ME scene.

Give it about two monthes. Long enough for Jeff Hardy to possibly win the Money In the Back.. then he'll fade away, until they can figure out when to run with him again. I can promise you almost for a fact, that Hardy won't be Main Eventing Wrestlemania.

People would indeed erupt with ovation, but that is due to more of the amount of people who can't stand Cena as opposed to the love for violence. I am more than willing to admit, part of the reason Hardy is over is due to the risks he takes.

Thats the ONLY reason he's over. There isn't anything else. If there is, then what?

8 months after Jacobs debut as Kane, he won the championship and hold on to it for 1 night. Did that damage the WWE title at all? Did people view less of Kane? Did it drop Kane from the ME scene? Did it has any negative side effects? No to all the above.

YES, to everything. The title was made to look like a joke. Kane has NEVER had a legit run because of that moment, along with the fact he sucks. And it made Kane look incredibly weak to drop it so soon.. as it would if Hardy was in that position.

I see your point on the #1/2 being overrated, but for Hardy's underdog story coming against the odds, lack of size, strength, he does indeed need to come into the Rumble within the first 5 spots probably.

No, he doesn't. You can enter at any spot, and have a good or bad chance of winning. Hell, up until the previous 2 Rumbles noone had won from the "best possible chance" spot, of #30. I think Hardy winning the Rumble, regardless of being from entry #1-#30, would be shocking in itself.
 
Some decent discussion going on here. I think that it is arguable whether he is ready right yet, but he is WELL on his way. If you had asked me a year ago if Hardy would ever be main event status I would have said spotty at best, but after hearing some of the pops he is getting lately and seeing some of the matchwork he has been doing it is very tough to think he is a fluke. He will wear a World Title belt sooner than later.
 
It really is a weird case. Hardy's been doing pretty well ever since he came back and is just now being pushed upwards. I'm not sure if their objective with the Orton storyline was to be a place holder, to test out a potential Hardy push or both.

Whatever the case may be - the storyline, and Jeff Hardy's support, went way more over than they apparently expected and there were even reports of people campaigning to give him the belt. Nevertheless they stuck to their loose plans of having Orton keep the belt warm for Cena, but now they know they've potentially got something in a Hardy push that they could utilize down the line.

And the way the program was done and how the finish at the Rumble was booked leaves it open for a potential Orton/Hardy rivalry down the line and gives them some sense of security that they could give him a title run without it being a complete bust. Orton beating Hardy at the Rumble left both guys, IMO, stronger and primed for more matches since Hardy had him beat, but Orton quick reversed the Twist of Fate and spiked him into the mat.

I think it's a given that he'll get a title run down the line, but when.. I don't know. Hopefully he does and proves to be a draw as well.

IMO, it's pretty cool that both Hardy brothers are just on the brink of pushing themselves up into upper card and main event territory. Matt has the excellent program with MVP and Jeff had that entire run up to the Royal Rumble - both also had a stellar 2007 as far as their work is concerned, and they're both just a career-making feud away from getting that kind of credibility.
 
How does he have any of that? Better in ring chemistry? He's working with mostly different people, I'd hope it was different. Better move execution? He's been in the business longer, I'd hope he'd have learned as he went along. Better crowd play and control? What do you mean by this?

It may be different people, but he is beginning to be that veteran in the ring. In his younger matches you could see the stall or the hold up, the delay with what to do next. Now there is a better flow.

And I am just pointing out the move execution. He has been in the business longer, which means he has improved with time, which is what is suppose to happen.

Crowd play and control. Just the way he gets them involved, plays to the crowd, gets them going, gestures to them, etc.


So THATS what everyone else has been doing wrong, when they wanted a title shot. So, next week, Cena's gonna leap off a cage? Since when is showing that you'd risk your body, for no other reason than to get down quicker, a sign that you want a W.W.E. Championship match?

Hmm. Emmitt Smith playing with a dislocated shoulder and killing the Giants? Curt Schilling and the bloody sock. Kirk Gibson and two bad knees. Willis Reed and the Knicks. See my polint?


That WAS the story. A moron risking his own life, to ultimately fail. It'll end up on the lifetime channel in about a month.

See above. And we don't know how the story ends yet.


And the hand signal was the dumbest thing Hardy did. He completely made the angle and injury seem fake. Think about it, if YOU were being helped away, would you suddenly think in your head.. "shit, better hold up my catch phrase so people know I'm okay." NO, you wouldn't.

Have you ever seen a sports injury? Players always sign to the crowd when being carried off the field, letting the fans know, they are okay, they will return.


They're a huge difference because he seriously NEVER got mic time before. When prior to his T.N.A. stay, do you ever remember him talking on the mic.. at least more than once every couple of monthes?

Is it not an improvement though? What else do you want him to do?


Seriously, did you just quote what I said.. and claim it as your own? I said this very same thing not that long ago. And my point is, he had to completely squash Orton IN that match, still, for people to believe he had a legit shot.


Thats the ONLY reason he's over. There isn't anything else. If there is, then what?

See my previous post. His underdog attitude, girls love his looks, etc.


YES, to everything. The title was made to look like a joke. Kane has NEVER had a legit run because of that moment, along with the fact he sucks. And it made Kane look incredibly weak to drop it so soon.. as it would if Hardy was in that position.

Kane was still in the ME scene for years after that and was fighting for titles into the next century. And that belt didn't lose anything, it was still the stongest title in professional wrestling.
 

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