IMPACT Wrestling LD for 10.20.11 (everyone read first post)

[klunderbunker]

Honest question and no one has ever given me good reason, but why?

I know you are from Kentucky which is near Tennessee but I have never seen the appeal of Storm. No one has ever been able to explain to me why Storm deserves a shot. To me, he comes off like Bradshaw's (before he became JBL) ******ed brother. That's not a World Champion to me. Tell me why I should invest in him as champion and why he will make TNA money as champion.

I'm not saying this to be an asshole, I really want to know what anyone sees in this guy.

Word of advice: if you ever come to Kentucky, don't imply that we like Tennessee. You might not make it back home.

As for why I like him better, he has some emotion when he talks. Roode is always talking about how he respects everyone and how he's gotten here and all that jazz. Storm is a jerk. He yells, he drinks, he swears, he's obnoxious and that makes him a much more interesting character. it gets boring having Roode be almost Bob Backlund from the early 90s with more muscles.

Storm shouldn't be champion yet, but he's a lot more interesting than Roode.

 

[shattered dreams]

I didn't read all of your post jj but my point was simply that you both get extremely caught up on what you believe should have happened. You have a hard time moving past that. A byproduct of that stubbornness is missing relatively obvious things like kayfabe Angle was fine and well rested against Roode but had just hobbled away from the match a few days ago going into this one. It is a solid story and BFG provided plenty of moments for those that purchased it. Remember the people that bought or watched in the past are barely half of the goal. You have to keep some things going. People that still believe it was because "Roode wasn't ready" are G ullible. Selective dirt sheet reasoning is never a good thing to base your point on.

 

[JJYanks121]

Word of advice: if you ever come to Kentucky, don't imply that we like Tennessee. You might not make it back home.

As for why I like him better, he has some emotion when he talks. Roode is always talking about how he respects everyone and how he's gotten here and all that jazz. Storm is a jerk. He yells, he drinks, he swears, he's obnoxious and that makes him a much more interesting character. it gets boring having Roode be almost Bob Backlund from the early 90s with more muscles.

Storm shouldn't be champion yet, but he's a lot more interesting than Roode.

To be fair, I went to UF so I don't like either

So if Storm is a jerk, shouldn't he be a bad guy? I can't understand what Storm says so emotion or not, he's a bad mic worker to me. I don't know, I just don't see the appeal. Midcard gimmick maybe, but main event? I don't buy it.

Still, you and I can agree that Rocky Top is a shitty song!

 

[klunderbunker]

Austin was a jerk. Rock was a jerk. Jericho was a jerk. They all worked as faces. It can be done.

You can't understand Storm? I didn't think he had that much of an accent.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Hey now. Tennessee is the college I almost went to.

 

[justinsayne]

So if Storm is a jerk, shouldn't he be a bad guy? I can't understand what Storm says so emotion or not, he's a bad mic worker to me. I don't know, I just don't see the appeal. Midcard gimmick maybe, but main event? I don't buy it.

Did you buy it when Stone Cold did/does it?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Every face has a bit of jerk in them.

 

[JJYanks121]

Austin was a jerk. Rock was a jerk. Jericho was a jerk. They all worked as faces. It can be done.

You can't understand Storm? I didn't think he had that much of an accent.

At UF there were plenty of southern accents. When LSU came to town, THOSE were thick accents. Storm is way closer to LSU than UF accent-wise. I feel that his accent hinders him a bit because it's just not universal. Austin had an accent too but he was VERY easy to understand, especially since most of his promos in his prime were just him saying he'll kick your ass.

 

[justinsayne]

Storm accent is not that hard to understand, I'm from South Dakota & I can understand every word he's says perfectly fine.

 

[JJYanks121]

So I assume JJ believe that every guy ever who deserves it and has worked hard should win at a PPV so the fans won't feel cheated?

I believe in THIS instance that the story was about how hard the guy worked and how far he's come and everything so in this case the payoff was Roode winning. If you build to that the way it was, the moment would have been great and the fans who paid for the show would have closed the show feeling good. As it stands, it was a cheap finish to the biggest show of the year. I didn't like it when WWE did it and I don't like it now.

 

[JJYanks121]

I didn't read all of your post jj but my point was simply that you both get extremely caught up on what you believe should have happened. You have a hard time moving past that. A byproduct of that stubbornness is missing relatively obvious things like kayfabe Angle was fine and well rested against Roode but had just hobbled away from the match a few days ago going into this one. It is a solid story and BFG provided plenty of moments for those that purchased it. Remember the people that bought or watched in the past are barely half of the goal. You have to keep some things going. People that still believe it was because "Roode wasn't ready" are G ullible. Selective dirt sheet reasoning is never a good thing to base your point on.

It's also stupid to think that this was the plan "all along". In what warped world would you have a finish like that planned after the months of build only to give the title away in a 2 minute match to a guy who wasn't even on the BFG card? You talk like TNA always knows what they are doing and always have a plan and are geniuses the likes than no one outside you can understand. It's the opposite.

There's no way this was the plan and you are quite gullible for buying the Hogan and Bischoff tweets of "this being the bigger picture". You are buying everything they are selling even if it's steamy, smelly bullshit. This line of events doesn't make a ton of sense no matter how you slice it. I know "kayfabe" that coming off a long, tough match, Kurt would be hurting. However, he limped to the match at BFG and everyone could see it so it's not as though every fan is blind. It was not the greatest way to change a title and that's all there is to it. I still wouldn't be for it, but if you gave me 15 minutes or even 10 and did a finish where Kurt tried to cheat again but Roode took his feet off the ropes, I'd buy it. That would have been fitting and I'd dig it. I still wouldn't like Storm but at least it would make some sense. The events of tonight didn't make sense the way they went down and I stand by that. If you are fulfilled by your guy getting his first title in a 1 minute farce of a match, that's fine. I personally would like to see a better display.

 

[Slyfox696]

It's also stupid to think that this was the plan "all along". In what warped world would you have a finish like that planned after the months of build only to give the title away in a 2 minute match to a guy who wasn't even on the BFG card? You talk like TNA always knows what they are doing and always have a plan and are geniuses the likes than no one outside you can understand. It's the opposite.

There's no way this was the plan and you are quite gullible for buying the Hogan and Bischoff tweets of "this being the bigger picture". You are buying everything they are selling even if it's steamy, smelly bullshit. This line of events doesn't make a ton of sense no matter how you slice it. I know "kayfabe" that coming off a long, tough match, Kurt would be hurting. However, he limped to the match at BFG and everyone could see it so it's not as though every fan is blind. It was not the greatest way to change a title and that's all there is to it. I still wouldn't be for it, but if you gave me 15 minutes or even 10 and did a finish where Kurt tried to cheat again but Roode took his feet off the ropes, I'd buy it. That would have been fitting and I'd dig it. I still wouldn't like Storm but at least it would make some sense. The events of tonight didn't make sense the way they went down and I stand by that. If you are fulfilled by your guy getting his first title in a 1 minute farce of a match, that's fine. I personally would like to see a better display.

Unless you consider the possibility Angle was able to work last night, became injured to the point he can no longer work, and TNA needed to take the title off the guy because is going to be out for a while.

Once a match is going on, you're not going to change the booking of it. Which would explain Roode's loss. But if Angle became injured during BFG main-event (not just hurt), then it makes sense what we saw tonight. Which means there really is nothing TNA could have done about it.

Right now, that's what I'm leaning towards.

 

[JJYanks121]

Storm accent is not that hard to understand, I'm from South Dakota & I can understand every word he's says perfectly fine.

It's all opinion. I find him a little hard to understand and that hinders my enjoyment of his character and his promos. Thus, I have a hard time getting behind his character. I've always found him a bit silly too, as Roode seemed like the cerebral competitor of the group while Storm was the goofball sidekick.

I can respect if people like Storm, especially if they have reasons. The world of wrestling is about choosing who you like and don't like. My gripes for tonight is more about execution than my disdain for the new champ. I can live with Storm as it's a whole lot better than RVD who did nothing for me as champ. If people like Storm, so be it. I just think the way he was given the title wasn't so great.

 

[shattered dreams]

Once again jj I only skimmed this most recent post. Too tired to read all but there are various levels of plan. I think the plan before BFG was for Storm to beat Angle at some point after Angle beat Roode by suspect measures. Was a short match always the plan? Don't know, don't care but probably not. But if that is your main issue then get some perspective on injuries. People getting injured isn't bad booking.

 

[JJYanks121]

Unless you consider the possibility Angle was able to work last night, became injured to the point he can no longer work, and TNA needed to take the title off the guy because is going to be out for a while.

Once a match is going on, you're not going to change the booking of it. Which would explain Roode's loss. But if Angle became injured during BFG main-event (not just hurt), then it makes sense what we saw tonight. Which means there really is nothing TNA could have done about it.

Right now, that's what I'm leaning towards.

I could buy this and if that's the case so be it. It sucks short term but hopefully things can pick up long term. What I can't buy is when SD tells me I'm an idiot for not seeing that this is the big picture "all along" when the only evidence of such are the tweets and the belief that TNA can do no wrong.

I could believe that MAYBE Kurt was planned to win though I struggle with that one. Even so, making that decision most certainly did NOT come with the idea beforehand of dropping the title in less than 2 minutes to Storm at the next show. That is a new development and there's no way to believe it's not. If there's an injury at play, fine. It doesn't look great, but injuries happen. Gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Slyfox696]

I could buy this and if that's the case so be it. It sucks short term but hopefully things can pick up long term. What I can't buy is when SD tells me I'm an idiot for not seeing that this is the big picture "all along" when the only evidence of such are the tweets and the belief that TNA can do no wrong.

I could believe that MAYBE Kurt was planned to win though I struggle with that one. Even so, making that decision most certainly did NOT come with the idea beforehand of dropping the title in less than 2 minutes to Storm at the next show. That is a new development and there's no way to believe it's not. If there's an injury at play, fine. It doesn't look great, but injuries happen. Gotta do what you gotta do.

I agree, I don't think TNA wanted Angle to lose the title on the very next show in 2 minutes. Any promotion would want their main-event title match to at least go 8 minutes. The fact they didn't, definitely suggests injury.

I agree though, Storm was not planned to win the title in 2 minutes. Maybe he was to win tonight, but no way in such a short amount of time. But I really do think tonight's booking indicates an Angle injury.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm with Sly on the injury thing. Even for TNA that makes no sense. Angle hammered him down in the corner and literally that's all he did. he was legit injured coming into BFG and landed on his feet off the top in that match which probably didn't help anything.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm with Sly on the injury thing. Even for TNA that makes no sense. Angle hammered him down in the corner and literally that's all he did. he was legit injured coming into BFG and landed on his feet off the top in that match which probably didn't help anything.

There's an old sports saying, "Are you hurt or are you injured?"

My guess is Angle came into Bound For Glory hurt, and left Bound For Glory injured.

 

[JJYanks121]

This kind of goes with what I've been saying since last July. Upon attending the infamous TNA house show in Brooklyn, I got to see Angle quite up close and personal. He walked right by me after the show when I was talking to Brian Kendrick and my heart literally dropped. The way he walks is not normal and it's not healthy. I said to my friend as we were leaving "man, that guy needs to hang it up unless he wants to end up like Dynamite Kid or worse".

Here we are over a year later and while Angle's abilities haven't declined, his health has. He keeps saying he has 3 years and I just wouldn't recommend it. I can't imagine his doctors would either. So I get that he probably got hurt worse in that title match and that the short match was a result of that, but I have to question his long term plan. How many injuries are enough?

 

[klunderbunker]

There's an old sports saying, "Are you hurt or are you injured?"

My guess is Angle came into Bound For Glory hurt, and left Bound For Glory injured.

I'd buy that.

However, this brings up the questionable booking of BFG. Let's say for argument's sake that the plan all along was for Angle to retain. As in that's been the plan since Roode was named #1 contender.

How wise is it to put the title on a guy that will be 43 at the end of the year, has had two major neck surgeries, has potential legal issues coming up, has had multiple legal issues this year alone, is injury prone due to the style he works, and booking an ending that was going to cause complaints no matter how many ways you can make it work from a logical standpoint (which I'd still question a lot)? They had I believe 12 guys to pick from for the tournament and about 3 months to pick which guy they had and at the end of the day, they decided that Angle is the best choice? I'm not sure how much sense that makes.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'd buy that.

However, this brings up the questionable booking of BFG. Let's say for argument's sake that the plan all along was for Angle to retain. As in that's been the plan since Roode was named #1 contender.

How wise is it to put the title on a guy that will be 43 at the end of the year, has had two major neck surgeries, has potential legal issues coming up, has had multiple legal issues this year alone, is injury prone due to the style he works, and booking an ending that was going to cause complaints no matter how many ways you can make it work from a logical standpoint (which I'd still question a lot)? They had I believe 12 guys to pick from for the tournament and about 3 months to pick which guy they had and at the end of the day, they decided that Angle is the best choice? I'm not sure how much sense that makes.

I've covered that in the Bobby Roode thread in the TNA section.

 

[klunderbunker]

Any one specific post?

 

[Slyfox696]

Any one specific post?

A couple of different times...not sure if I specifically addressed it, otherwise I'd just quote it for you.

The basics are TNA likely knew they wanted RVD vs. Lynn and Styles vs. Daniels to come out of the BFG Series. They also didn't want Ray or Steiner in the main-event. Joe and Pope have both flopped over the last couple of years.

So those 12 guys narrowed very quickly. I believe they likely REALLY wanted Matt Morgan in Roode's position, but he got hurt. I think the point was to really build up Morgan. I think they feel Crimson is too green to be the champion. So they were kind of handcuffed by what they had left.

They pushed on with the BFG Series, hoping one of the other guys would really get themselves over, but it never really got to mega heat, so they went with Angle.

 

[JJYanks121]

I believe they likely REALLY wanted Matt Morgan in Roode's position, but he got hurt. I think the point was to really build up Morgan

See that I could believe and dig. Again, personal feelings coming in here, but if anyone was "ready" and deserved to be champ, it's Morgan. I hope somehow he gets into the title picture soon. Much rather have Morgan than either Roode or Storm as champ. Plus, that belt would look so good on Morgan.

 

[klunderbunker]

A couple of different times...not sure if I specifically addressed it, otherwise I'd just quote it for you.

The basics are TNA likely knew they wanted RVD vs. Lynn and Styles vs. Daniels to come out of the BFG Series. They also didn't want Ray or Steiner in the main-event. Joe and Pope have both flopped over the last couple of years.

So those 12 guys narrowed very quickly. I believe they likely REALLY wanted Matt Morgan in Roode's position, but he got hurt. I think the point was to really build up Morgan. I think they feel Crimson is too green to be the champion. So they were kind of handcuffed by what they had left.

They pushed on with the BFG Series, hoping one of the other guys would really get themselves over, but it never really got to mega heat, so they went with Angle.

I would buy that, but the problem is you can book around it. Morgan was back in the ring by No Surrender. There were ways in the tournament to lose points, so Morgan could have still made it in. Now I can accept that that was their plan, but there were ways to put other people in the main event. Also, it comes off as stupid booking to put a pair of midcard matches that we've seen before over the main event in priorities.