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I managed to read through this entire thread and I actually had to sign-up to be able to ask about the 90-day no compete clause that people are talking about. I know WWE puts that into the wrestler's contracts so they don't show up the next day in TNA/ROH what have you, and capitalize off of their WWE fame. They want any visibility around them to die down before they go to another company. So why, and forgive me if this is common knowledge, would WWE have to wait 90-days to rehire Danielson? The contract was between Danielson and WWE. If both parties agreed, couldn't they waive the 90 day clause? It makes no sense that it would apply in this case.
 
I am really not liking these news reports coming out. We are supposed to believe that the decision was taken as soon as Raw was finished, despite the whole weekend it being reported that everyone was happy with how the angle went, and it took some pressure from sponsors before they decided to take action?

The fact that there are so many conflicting reports on the 'why', it realy is leaning towards this being a work IMO. Usually in the case of a firing, there is an initial report of why someone has been released and later on further details are announced that fill in the details of the story. The fact that every news report since this story broke seems to point the blame at someone different each time means that even the reporters have no clue, and are just purely speculating like all of us here.

Cena's tweet I suspect is fully in character, so I think we should what he reveals there with a pinch ofsalt. Danielson's though is his own. If he is fired there is nothing to stop him giving full details on what has happened and what his plans are, buth he is being really coy with what he says, just dribbling enough that makes the whole IWC explode in a fit of anger and frustration.

I have gone through this whole Danielson situation in my head time and time again, and I always seem to get to a point where I get stuck, mostly because the people who are directy involved in the WWE and this situation, are being incredibly vague. There really is nothing we can do apart from wait to see what happens on Raw tonight, and over the next couple of weeks.
 
For Gods sake! Its not a work! WWE scheduled to have the NXT Kids come out and destroy Raw.. But they forgot to explain the rules. Bryan, being an indy wrestler, knows how to improvise. So he choked Justin Roberts to add a little more flavor to the segment. WWE loved it. Which is why we saw every second of the choking live and re-aired during the week. However they forgot it was prohibited. The Network execs didn't however. Because of that WWE was forced to fire Bryan Danielson in order to let the network know that the wrestlers that break the rules are punished. Even though its WWE's fault in the first place. Now WWE needs to wait 90 days and hope Danielson doesn't say no to take him back.


IT WAS A STUPIDITY IMPULSE BY WWE!
 
All signs point to a work for in my opinion. If it was such a big deal for when Danielson simulated choking Justin Roberts on camera my guess is that Danielson would have been fired within 12 hours, not 4-5 days later. When Danielson got eliminated he even said that you probably have seen the last of "Daniel Bryan" but you may see the return of Bryan Danielson, which makes me think he will come back as Brian Danielson a little while down the road.

If by some weird circumstances that this is legitimate (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) then the WWE have some of the stupidest motherfuckers on the face of this planet working for there because there is NO WAY (and the Rock means NO WAY) that what happened Monday can justify Danielson being released. I can see a fine, but not a release. All in all though I assume the WWE is smarter then that so I'll go with it all being a work.
 
All signs point to a work for in my opinion. If it was such a big deal for when Danielson simulated choking Justin Roberts on camera my guess is that Danielson would have been fired within 12 hours, not 4-5 days later. When Danielson got eliminated he even said that you probably have seen the last of "Daniel Bryan" but you may see the return of Bryan Danielson, which makes me think he will come back as Brian Danielson a little while down the road.

If by some weird circumstances that this is legitimate (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) then the WWE have some of the stupidest motherfuckers on the face of this planet working for there because there is NO WAY (and the Rock means NO WAY) that what happened Monday can justify Danielson being released. I can see a fine, but not a release. All in all though I assume the WWE is smarter then that so I'll go with it all being a work.

So NBC execs have Vince on speed dial or something? Its not a work. WWE was seriously that stupid. All fingers point to it. John Cena has a massive egg on his face for being a part of it and having this moronic result to show for it. CM Punk, who was also involved, is making jokes about it. Why? Because it was a stupid move on the WWE exec's part. They overlooked a minor detail and then had to pay with Bryan's contract. Is that really so hard to believe? Or is WWE really going through such an elaborate and hairbrained scheme to make us look like idiots?
 
Why Its a Work:

- When someone is fired there is usually a speculation article, followed by a confirmed source, this is then confirmed by all followign articles

Example: Mickie James

- Backstage Problems , attitude issues , moved to smackdown
- fired for missing bus as a "last straw" for elongated backstage attitude problems
- No conflicting reports


Dainel Bryan has had MULTIPLE different accounts, from they were happy, then not happy, then a mysterious un-named super powerful corprate executive decided he didn't like the complaints and made them fire bryan, who if they were to make a scapegoat out of somebody they would have logically used someone who is paid a lot less, most likely some grunt in the creative department, saying he came up with the idea for bryan choking justin roberts.. But they didn't they fired bryan.

nobody can get there story straight, but they all have one thing in common they are "high up " wwe executives, and every story they tell is a little bit different, because they are all making it up. It's pretty easy to get your highest paid, most loyal employees to spread false rumours to the key Internet Dirt-sheet writers. The problem is when people aren't telling the truth there storys tend to differ a little bit, leading to all these conflicting reports.

If you start out with something that isn't legit, none of the story's, or explantions around it are going to add up. I'm not saying " I KNOW ITS A WORK BECAUSE IM SO SMART" , but right now I would say if I had to bet my house on one option or the other I would bet its a work
 
So NBC execs have Vince on speed dial or something? Its not a work. WWE was seriously that stupid. All fingers point to it. John Cena has a massive egg on his face for being a part of it and having this moronic result to show for it. CM Punk, who was also involved, is making jokes about it. Why? Because it was a stupid move on the WWE exec's part. They overlooked a minor detail and then had to pay with Bryan's contract. Is that really so hard to believe? Or is WWE really going through such an elaborate and hairbrained scheme to make us look like idiots?

The WWE has went threw great lengths to make us look like idiots before, so no its not that far-fetched. WWE isn't on NBC, so why would NBC execs have anything to do with this. Now I can see WWE being under the radar considering they are a publicly traded company (obviously certain things will be taboo when this happens, thats a given), but the fact of the matter is they won't make all the decisions for the WWE. Whats USA going to do, pull RAW if they didn't fire Danielson, YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE, get rid of your top rated show because Danielson choked Justin Roberts. Now they may have gotten heat for what happened, but to fire a worker like Danielson because the WWE fucked up seems quite ******ed, and I believe the WWE is smarter than that. Now because of the incident I can see the WWE saying he was released and telling Danielson to LAY LOW for a while.

If you are right (and I'm not saying you aren't, like I said Publicly traded companies can be a bitch sometimes and what your saying has plenty of merit, I'll give you that), then Danielson will be back in 91 days and if thats the case no big deal, but it would be a bad business move on the WWE's part to let OTHERS make decisions for them when it comes to running their company. They have to listen, but they don't have to grobble and bow to everyone else, they're big enough on their own.
 
If you are right (and I'm not saying you aren't, like I said Publicly traded companies can be a bitch sometimes and what your saying has plenty of merit, I'll give you that), then Danielson will be back in 91 days and if thats the case no big deal, but it would be a bad business move on the WWE's part to let OTHERS make decisions for them when it comes to running their company. They have to listen, but they don't have to grobble and bow to everyone else, they're big enough on their own.

NBC owns USA dude. And so if Vince is told that Bryan is fired or that RAW isn't going on the air, Vince is going to fire Bryan. I doubt it went down as simple as that, but the point is the same. If this is something that can set them up for lawsuits, or even worse legal problems, throwing Bryan under the bus is probably the best business decision WWE could make (of course, assuming this is all legit).
 
Doesn't USA have Law and Order on right on after Raw which is 100% of the time about rape and murder? I highly highly doubt it was NBC. I'm sorry if this is spam but that's all I have to say about the USA/NBC allegations.
 
Doesn't USA have Law and Order on right on after Raw which is 100% of the time about rape and murder? I highly highly doubt it was NBC. I'm sorry if this is spam but that's all I have to say about the USA/NBC allegations.

You are correct in that USA does feature violent dramas. However, those shows don't claim to be TV-PG. Those shows also aren't watched by a large child audience. WWE is watched by children, has had problems in the past with children being harmed or killed replicating what was seen on their programming, and is marketed as TV-PG. This is why the USA/NBC speculation is valid.
 
The TV-PG rating wasn't done by USA/NBC it was done by WWE. USA got HUGE ratings when WWE was TV-14. The ratings have just been ok with WWE in TV-PG. I don't think NBC Universal gives a dick about any pending lawsuits against WWE for dumb little brats hurting each other with moves because none of those cases hold any water anymore. All NBC cares about is ratings ratings ratings and I believe that angle got the highest ratings of the show and the highest ratings of the year for carry over past 11 p.m. est.
 
The reports seem oddly conflicting. Once second they say Vince was forced to fire him by a sponsor now they're saying that the decision was made immediately after Raw. It's hard to make an opinion on something when it doesn't seem that all the facts are there.
If the decision was made right after RAW, then why was the choking incident left in the west coast feed? (They have made edits/changes in the western feed to cover up something that aired in the eastern feed - Lita's "nip slip" comes to mind.)

-- Don
 
If the decision was made right after RAW, then why was the choking incident left in the west coast feed? (They have made edits/changes in the western feed to cover up something that aired in the eastern feed - Lita's "nip slip" comes to mind.)

-- Don

thats kind of the point, the story is changing so much it seems like they are trying to make up a beilevable story on the go.. like the told there staff to purposely leak false info to play around with there viewers,

and you can't say vince wouldn't care enough about the IWC to do this, because dainel bryans character is MARKTED to the IWC, so it makes perfect sense for them to pull something like this invovling him.

It really makes this whole situation look like a big elaborate work, to play the IWC. While it may not be a major market, it is a market and they obviously market tohere product somewhat to the "smark " viewers, because NXT basically revolves around the IWC.
 
NBC owns USA dude. And so if Vince is told that Bryan is fired or that RAW isn't going on the air, Vince is going to fire Bryan. I doubt it went down as simple as that, but the point is the same. If this is something that can set them up for lawsuits, or even worse legal problems, throwing Bryan under the bus is probably the best business decision WWE could make (of course, assuming this is all legit).

I didn't know that USA was owned by NBC (USA ain't a canadian network so I'm not going to know that), but with that said do you REALLY think USA (or NBC for that matter) would cancel one of their highest rated shows because Danielson choked Justin Roberts on National TV? As gorilla monsoon would say, HIGHLY UNLIKELY (that would just be dumb business sense). I can see them getting pissed at WWE for it (and likewise I can see them punishing Danielson in some way), but they aren't going to cancel RAW because of that, if RAW makes the station enough money (and we all know it does) then they ain't going to cancel it, simple as that. USA tried their hardest to get HBK and HHH off the air in '97 but it didn't quite work out that way did it (and back in those days I'm pretty sure WWF had a PG rating. They only changed it after they decided to go Attitude Era, not before), or how about the Pillman/Austin angle? Did USA cancel RAW? No, they got PISSED about it, they let the WWE know their stance, but Pillman didn't get fired and Austin didn't get fired, and WWE was on the network the next week. As with this case, they aren't going to cancel WWE for showing Danielson choking Justin Roberts, WWE's just too popular on the network to get canceled. Not only that why would NBC want Danielson fired, they're smart enough to know it was the WWE's decision, so firing Danielson wouldn't really help matters, if anyone would get fired it would be the producers of the show, the people who showed that incident on TV.
 
I didn't know that USA was owned by NBC (USA ain't a canadian network so I'm not going to know that), but with that said do you REALLY think USA (or NBC for that matter) would cancel one of their highest rated shows because Danielson choked Justin Roberts on National TV? As gorilla monsoon would say, HIGHLY UNLIKELY (that would just be dumb business sense). I can see them getting pissed at WWE for it (and likewise I can see them punishing Danielson in some way), but they aren't going to cancel RAW because of that, if RAW makes the station enough money (and we all know it does) then they ain't going to cancel it, simple as that. USA tried their hardest to get HBK and HHH off the air in '97 but it didn't quite work out that way did it (and back in those days I'm pretty sure WWF had a PG rating. They only changed it after they decided to go Attitude Era, not before), or how about the Pillman/Austin angle? Did USA cancel RAW? No, they got PISSED about it, they let the WWE know their stance, but Pillman didn't get fired and Austin didn't get fired, and WWE was on the network the next week. As with this case, they aren't going to cancel WWE for showing Danielson choking Justin Roberts, WWE's just too popular on the network to get canceled. Not only that why would NBC want Danielson fired, they're smart enough to know it was the WWE's decision, so firing Danielson wouldn't really help matters, if anyone would get fired it would be the producers of the show, the people who showed that incident on TV.

But in nothing WWE has done before and caught trouble with did any one come close to doing something that could result in a dead child, besides the Pillman angle (which they caught massive shit for). WWE Raw is a diamond in USA's crown, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't pull Raw if it could possibly cost them millions in lawsuits. I'm not saying that there was such a threat, or even that it's likely at all, but it is a possibility.
 
But in none of the situations you've provided did any one come close to doing something that could result in a dead child, besides the Pillman angle (which they caught massive shit for). WWE Raw is a diamond in USA's crown, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't pull Raw if it could possibly cost them millions in lawsuits. I'm not saying that there was such a threat, or even that it's likely at all, but it is a possibility.

Not that it matters but I thought Benoit killed his kid by smothering him with a pillow, not strangling him (just saying). I understand what you are saying (it may not sound like it but I do), but even if everything you said was true who would be the ones getting fired, Danielson, or the writers and producers who decided it was a good idea to put that on TV. I understand what you're saying about the lawsuits, but WWE is just a show, if another PG show showed that, the actor/actress who did it wouldn't be the ones getting fired, it would be the writers and producers (like if CSI was PG and Gary Sinise decided to choke someone, Gary Sinise would not be the one getting fired), the same thing applies in wrestling, WWE hasn't improvised really anything for a long, long, time, so personally I just don't see NBC wanting Danielson gone, I can see them wanting the producers gone, maybe even the writers, but they would be smart enough to know that Danielson was just doing what he was told, WWE is a dangerous job and very physically demanding (I would say pre-determined but certainly not fake), but at the end of the day from a NETWORK point of view, they are nothing but actors, the writers were the decision makers, they are the ones who thought it was a good idea to show that, therefore they would be the ones getting punished, not Danielson.
 
Not that it matters but I thought Benoit killed his kid by smothering him with a pillow, not strangling him (just saying). I understand what you are saying (it may not sound like it but I do), but even if everything you said was true who would be the ones getting fired, Danielson, or the writers and producers who decided it was a good idea to put that on TV. I understand what you're saying about the lawsuits, but WWE is just a show, if another PG show showed that, the actor/actress who did it wouldn't be the ones getting fired, it would be the writers and producers (like if CSI was PG and Gary Sinise decided to choke someone, Gary Sinise would not be the one getting fired), the same thing applies in wrestling, WWE hasn't improvised really anything for a long, long, time, so personally I just don't see NBC wanting Danielson gone, I can see them wanting the producers gone, maybe even the writers, but they would be smart enough to know that Danielson was just doing what he was told, WWE is a dangerous job and very physically demanding (I would say pre-determined but certainly not fake), but at the end of the day from a NETWORK point of view, they are nothing but actors, the writers were the decision makers, they are the ones who thought it was a good idea to show that, therefore they would be the ones getting punished, not Danielson.

I'm of the mind that the segment was scripted, but it's not confirmed one way or another, so it's possible that the choking was improv by Bryan that WWE let fly until someone else got upset about it. I know what you are saying, but you are arguing on the basis of what is fair, and usually business like this is seldom done with fairness in mind. We aren't privy to what went down yet (we might never be), or what was said in the meeting that led to the decision. This is hardly the first time in entertainment, or even in business, where someone not really at fault was thrown under the bus.

BTW, thank you for not sucking and being able to have a conversation like an adult. I appreciate it.
 
I'm of the mind that the segment was scripted, but it's not confirmed one way or another, so it's possible that the choking was improv by Bryan that WWE let fly until someone else got upset about it. I know what you are saying, but you are arguing on the basis of what is fair, and usually business like this is seldom done with fairness in mind. We aren't privy to what went down yet (we might never be), or what was said in the meeting that led to the decision. This is hardly the first time in entertainment, or even in business, where someone not really at fault was thrown under the bus.

BTW, thank you for not sucking and being able to have a conversation like an adult. I appreciate it.

Fair enough, business is seldom fair. Unfortunately we're probably never going to know who's idea it was (it could of been Danielsons to be fair) or how it all went down, but I still think the writers should be punished, not Danielson.

PS. No worries, I totally agree with you, just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to be douche bags about it, and I also appreciate that you can talk about this in a civilized manner as well, I got to say you did make some good points.
 
Wow, some of you still think this is a work? You literally have the internet infront of you, you can't take five minutes to check on just about any dirtsheet to read some of the reports? If Meltzer is reporting it's legit, it's legit. The reason he was fired has to do with a WWE ban on any kind of choking with ropes/wires/etc since the Benoit murders. Absolutely ******ed policy, no doubt, but apparently that's why he was let go.

I'd have to rank this among the stupidest decisions in the history of this company. That awesome NXT invasion angle that's been setting the world on fire this past week? Yeah, it's fucking dead and irrelevant without Bryan. Who the fuck are we supposed to take seriously in that group now? We've got Wade Barrett...and a whole bunch of nobodies who can't talk, can't work, and no one gives a fuck about. Bryan was basically THE key to the entire NXT thing working, it's no surprise he was the main one the camera kept focusing on during the beat down, as well as focusing on him yelling at Cena in the ring and spitting in his face. Without Bryan, this angle is D-E-A-D in the water before it's even started. Congrats WWE, another major failure to put down in the record books. You've got one of the most talented people in the business on the verge of stardom in the middle of the ring putting a beat down on John Cena...and now he just disappears.

Congrats WWE, just when I think "Man they're finally starting to understand how to make new stars and build for the future", they go and fuck that up immediately. If this legit keeps Bryan out of the WWE, wow, just lost almost all respect I had for whoever the fuck is running things into the ground these days at WWE headquarters.

Unbelievable. You just shot yourself in the foot WWE, good job at killing a future star AND the biggest angle you've come up with in years over a fucking choke-hold. :disappointed:

I give up man. I just give up.
 
Wow, some of you still think this is a work? You literally have the internet infront of you, you can't take five minutes to check on just about any dirtsheet to read some of the reports? If Meltzer is reporting it's legit, it's legit. The reason he was fired has to do with a WWE ban on any kind of choking with ropes/wires/etc since the Benoit murders. Absolutely ******ed policy, no doubt, but apparently that's why he was let go.

I'd have to rank this among the stupidest decisions in the history of this company. That awesome NXT invasion angle that's been setting the world on fire this past week? Yeah, it's fucking dead and irrelevant without Bryan. Who the fuck are we supposed to take seriously in that group now? We've got Wade Barrett...and a whole bunch of nobodies who can't talk, can't work, and no one gives a fuck about. Bryan was basically THE key to the entire NXT thing working, it's no surprise he was the main one the camera kept focusing on during the beat down, as well as focusing on him yelling at Cena in the ring and spitting in his face. Without Bryan, this angle is D-E-A-D in the water before it's even started. Congrats WWE, another major failure to put down in the record books. You've got one of the most talented people in the business on the verge of stardom in the middle of the ring putting a beat down on John Cena...and now he just disappears.

Congrats WWE, just when I think "Man they're finally starting to understand how to make new stars and build for the future", they go and fuck that up immediately. If this legit keeps Bryan out of the WWE, wow, just lost almost all respect I had for whoever the fuck is running things into the ground these days at WWE headquarters.

Unbelievable. You just shot yourself in the foot WWE, good job at killing a future star AND the biggest angle you've come up with in years over a fucking choke-hold. :disappointed:

I give up man. I just give up.

The ban is obviously in place for a reason and I don't care if it is stupid. It's in place and he broke it thus deserving what he got. I wonder when specifically did they put the ban in place because four or five months after Benoit died, JBL was choking Jericho.

I noticed during that attack that Slater tried to choke Cena with the ropes but didn't. I don't know if he knew about the ban and stopped before he tried to do it or just couldn't do it.
 
Wow, some of you still think this is a work? You literally have the internet infront of you, you can't take five minutes to check on just about any dirtsheet to read some of the reports?

It wasn't the dirtsheets that made me go from work => shoot. It was Cena's Twitter. But the effect is the same. Stuff that's come out of the woodwork online should be more than enough to make any same person come out and say "this is legit. Danielson is really gone from WWE" If they can't admit that, they're delusional.

If Meltzer is reporting it's legit, it's legit.

I treat Meltzer with the same level of trust i treat any other dirtsheet writer. Which would be to take what he says with a pinch of salt and a shot of tequila.

The reason he was fired has to do with a WWE ban on any kind of choking with ropes/wires/etc since the Benoit murders.

Seems like it.

Absolutely ******ed policy, no doubt, but apparently that's why he was let go.

In the words of Funaki, "Indeed".

I'd have to rank this among the stupidest decisions in the history of this company.

Really? I'm fairly sure I can name a few stupider ones. Luckily you're not saying it's the stupidest. However, this is one that may be ******ed from a booking perspective, but from a buisness perspective it's not stupid at all. Allegedly it was losing Mattel, or losing Danielson. Mattel is worth more than AmDrag. I'm sorry X, they just are.

That awesome NXT invasion angle that's been setting the world on fire this past week? Yeah, it's fucking dead and irrelevant without Bryan.

Hardly. FOr a start the angle was allegedly a vehicle for Barrett (who was the de facto leader) who is apparently going to feud with Cena over the WWE title. Danielson getting a rub too is gravy. It'll do fine without him, and then when this has blown over, he can feud with an authority figure who (kayfabe) fired him.

Who the fuck are we supposed to take seriously in that group now? We've got Wade Barrett...and a whole bunch of nobodies who can't talk, can't work, and no one gives a fuck about.

Who outside of the IWC took Bryan seriously before last week? He had won exactly two matches, and one of them was over Santino Marella. And Barrett's the one who should be getting taken seriously, given that he's the head honcho and will be fighting over the WWE title soon.

Bryan was basically THE key to the entire NXT thing working, it's no surprise he was the main one the camera kept focusing on during the beat down, as well as focusing on him yelling at Cena in the ring and spitting in his face.

They were focussing on him because he was the one actually doing sometihng worth focussing on. If Heath Slater had been throttling Justin Roberts, the camera would have focused on him and he'd have gotten his future endevours.

Without Bryan, this angle is D-E-A-D in the water before it's even started.

No it isn't. It's lost a bit of steam, but it's not a tragic loss that can't be overcome.

Congrats WWE, another major failure to put down in the record books. You've got one of the most talented people in the business on the verge of stardom in the middle of the ring putting a beat down on John Cena...and now he just disappears.

Who would you rather lose X, A corporate sponsor who makes the company millions of dollars; or Bryan Danielson, the second or third most over rookie of the NXT bunch who, while tallented is not a million dollar draw (yet). Not to mention that he'll be back before too long anyway (possibly before it's over, though that's being insanely optimistic).

Congrats WWE, just when I think "Man they're finally starting to understand how to make new stars and build for the future", they go and fuck that up immediately.

Because Danielson was the only star of the bunch, right? It's not like Barrett isn't getting one hell of a push through this angle, or David Otunga won't be a star after he learns to wrestle, right?

If this legit keeps Bryan out of the WWE, wow, just lost almost all respect I had for whoever the fuck is running things into the ground these days at WWE headquarters.

Mattel or Danielson X. THat's the choice WWE apparently had. They made the right call. And apparently they parted on good terms and the door is hpen for his return once the heat's off.

Unbelievable. You just shot yourself in the foot WWE, good job at killing a future star AND the biggest angle you've come up with in years over a fucking choke-hold. :disappointed:

Vince's hands were tied man. He made the call, but it wasn't one he would have made if he had another choice.

I give up man. I just give up.

Don't yet. Let's see how WWE adapts. I maintain that Danielson is no more indispensible than Justin Gabriel (a lot more tallented though), and his shots were simply the best available.

He will be back though. TNA might want him, but I don't see him going there.
 
I treat Meltzer with the same level of trust i treat any other dirtsheet writer. Which would be to take what he says with a pinch of salt and a shot of tequila.

You should treat his word with a hell of a lot more respect than that, because he's almost never wrong. As someone who's been reading the Observer and listening to Figure Four radio for quite a few years now, I can count on one hand the amount of times Meltzer has been wrong about something and still have fingers left-over. He's not a "dirtsheet" writer like these guys like Nick Pagliano are, he's a genuine journalist with better sources and more connections than any other writer in the business.

I'm really getting tired of people shitting on Meltzer when the man is the single most reliable source of information in the wrestling industry and has been for about 20 years now.


Really? I'm fairly sure I can name a few stupider ones. Luckily you're not saying it's the stupidest. However, this is one that may be ******ed from a booking perspective, but from a buisness perspective it's not stupid at all. Allegedly it was losing Mattel, or losing Danielson. Mattel is worth more than AmDrag. I'm sorry X, they just are.

Honestly I haven't heard shit about Mattel being involved in this. What does Mattel have to do with this? This is news to me man, why would Mattel cut all ties with the WWE over this? I don't buy that for one second. I doubt the Mattel execs even watch Raw.

Hardly. FOr a start the angle was allegedly a vehicle for Barrett (who was the de facto leader) who is apparently going to feud with Cena over the WWE title. Danielson getting a rub too is gravy. It'll do fine without him, and then when this has blown over, he can feud with an authority figure who (kayfabe) fired him.

It absolutely is dead. The entire angle was going to be focused on Wade Barrett and Daniel Bryan because those were the only two guys the WWE felt were ready to carry an angle like this with maybe a third guy like Justin Gabriel getting a rub as well. Everyone else was just part of the background for those two. Notice the entire beat down focused on Daniel's beatdown of Cena?

Without Daniel, all we're left with is Wade Barrett and a group of nobodies. The angle is already dead in the water. Who are we supposed to take seriously in that group? Michael Tarver? Heath Slater?

Without Bryan, the angle is worthless.

Who outside of the IWC took Bryan seriously before last week? He had won exactly two matches, and one of them was over Santino Marella. And Barrett's the one who should be getting taken seriously, given that he's the head honcho and will be fighting over the WWE title soon.

Huh? Bryan was BY FAR the most over person on the NXT roster Remix. I'm not even sure how that's arguable. He's consistently been given by far the most camera time (atleast twice that of Wade Barrett), he was over as a face before this whole NXT heel turn, and the guy beat The Miz clean in a matter of minutes, something we haven't seen since what, Cena last summer? Not to mention the match with Batista on Raw a few weeks back where Bryan stretched Batista out all over the ring and almost beat one of the biggest stars in the industry in a solid match. Bryan was BY FAR the biggest "threat" there Remix. If it wasn't for his British accent I actually doubt Barrett would have even made it this far, that and Jericho are literally the only reasons the guy hasn't been a flop.

Bryan was CLEARLY going to be the star out of that group Remix. He was the original intended winner for season one incase you've forgotten. Wade will be squashed in a title match and spend the next five years in the midcard most likely, whereas Bryan could have been atleast on the level of someone like a Kofi Kingston or Christian by year's end.

They were focussing on him because he was the one actually doing sometihng worth focussing on. If Heath Slater had been throttling Justin Roberts, the camera would have focused on him and he'd have gotten his future endevours.

And why do you think he was chosen to do those things Remix, instead of Barrett, the "leader"? Because he was obviously going to be the guy to get the breakout push from this. Like they might as well have written in giant letters on Bryan's forehead "I'M GETTING PUSHED" it was so obvious.

No it isn't. It's lost a bit of steam, but it's not a tragic loss that can't be overcome.

It's lost all of it's steam in one week man. It doesn't help that the WWE did absolutely nothing to advance the storyline on NXT or Smackdown this week, but now with Bryan, the only person that was actually over and ready for this kind of push is gone, the angle is dead in the water. You really think Wade Barrett alone can carry this angle? I don't. And the rest of the NXT guys won't because they're so green RVD might mistake them for a bag of weed and try to smoke them.

Who would you rather lose X, A corporate sponsor who makes the company millions of dollars; or Bryan Danielson, the second or third most over rookie of the NXT bunch who, while tallented is not a million dollar draw (yet). Not to mention that he'll be back before too long anyway (possibly before it's over, though that's being insanely optimistic).

1) Where is this Mattel stuff coming from? First I've heard of it honestly, though I haven't been online much the last few days.

2) Bryan was by far the most over person on NXT. How you could even pretend otherwise is a bit strange.


Because Danielson was the only star of the bunch, right? It's not like Barrett isn't getting one hell of a push through this angle, or David Otunga won't be a star after he learns to wrestle, right?

It won't matter, because without Bryan, the angle is dead. David Otunga, a star? Why? Because he fucks a celebrity? I'd put more stock in Zach Ryder as a future WWE champion before David Otunga Remix, the guy is atrocious inside of the ring and the only reason he's even made it this far is because of who he's sleeping with.

Danielson was by far the most talented of the NXT guys. The WWE had solid gold in it's hand, and they threw it out.
 
I wish I had more time on my hands these days! Cuz If I did: I'd be searching youtube & everywhere else for matches where wrestlers got choked by other wrestlers, after the "beniot tragedy" & absolutely nothing happend to them! I cant say with 100%- because that would be stupid- but I'd have to say I could 96% guarantee that this "choking" has happend numerous times since beniot went postal on his family. Im not talking sleeper holds or choke-slams. Im talking about choking with a actual "forgein object".

I still must absolutely refuse to believe this is anything but a hard-core work! It just doesnt make any sense to me! Screw it! Im goin to Youtube rightnow to see if I can quickly find anything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWbLOOAWyow&feature=related
I'd rather be choked with my own tie, then have my throat stepped on by a 275 pound Animal. Whos also using the ropes to his choking advantage!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGObswm2leg&feature=related
More blatent choking inside the ring. Once with the ropes (yes I know-his arms protect his throat. NOT the point) Then again by a foot- also using the ropes for choking leverage

OK- I found both of those in like 30 seconds on Youtube. While It may not be a tie they are using... It is a foot and ring ropes! Why werent these 2 guys fired?? Also- This isnt even mentioning JBL- dragging Jericho around for 10 minutes,by the neck with a bull-rope. Didnt that last like 10 mintues? Also- the handcuff choke someone else mentioned long ago in this thread. I believe it was orton V cena.

This is a fucking JOKE!! I got nothing else
 
You should treat his word with a hell of a lot more respect than that, because he's almost never wrong. As someone who's been reading the Observer and listening to Figure Four radio for quite a few years now, I can count on one hand the amount of times Meltzer has been wrong about something and still have fingers left-over. He's not a "dirtsheet" writer like these guys like Nick Pagliano are, he's a genuine journalist with better sources and more connections than any other writer in the business.

I'm really getting tired of people shitting on Meltzer when the man is the single most reliable source of information in the wrestling industry and has been for about 20 years now.




Honestly I haven't heard shit about Mattel being involved in this. What does Mattel have to do with this? This is news to me man, why would Mattel cut all ties with the WWE over this? I don't buy that for one second. I doubt the Mattel execs even watch Raw.



It absolutely is dead. The entire angle was going to be focused on Wade Barrett and Daniel Bryan because those were the only two guys the WWE felt were ready to carry an angle like this with maybe a third guy like Justin Gabriel getting a rub as well. Everyone else was just part of the background for those two. Notice the entire beat down focused on Daniel's beatdown of Cena?

Without Daniel, all we're left with is Wade Barrett and a group of nobodies. The angle is already dead in the water. Who are we supposed to take seriously in that group? Michael Tarver? Heath Slater?

Without Bryan, the angle is worthless.



Huh? Bryan was BY FAR the most over person on the NXT roster Remix. I'm not even sure how that's arguable. He's consistently been given by far the most camera time (atleast twice that of Wade Barrett), he was over as a face before this whole NXT heel turn, and the guy beat The Miz clean in a matter of minutes, something we haven't seen since what, Cena last summer? Not to mention the match with Batista on Raw a few weeks back where Bryan stretched Batista out all over the ring and almost beat one of the biggest stars in the industry in a solid match. Bryan was BY FAR the biggest "threat" there Remix. If it wasn't for his British accent I actually doubt Barrett would have even made it this far, that and Jericho are literally the only reasons the guy hasn't been a flop.

Bryan was CLEARLY going to be the star out of that group Remix. He was the original intended winner for season one incase you've forgotten. Wade will be squashed in a title match and spend the next five years in the midcard most likely, whereas Bryan could have been atleast on the level of someone like a Kofi Kingston or Christian by year's end.



And why do you think he was chosen to do those things Remix, instead of Barrett, the "leader"? Because he was obviously going to be the guy to get the breakout push from this. Like they might as well have written in giant letters on Bryan's forehead "I'M GETTING PUSHED" it was so obvious.



It's lost all of it's steam in one week man. It doesn't help that the WWE did absolutely nothing to advance the storyline on NXT or Smackdown this week, but now with Bryan, the only person that was actually over and ready for this kind of push is gone, the angle is dead in the water. You really think Wade Barrett alone can carry this angle? I don't. And the rest of the NXT guys won't because they're so green RVD might mistake them for a bag of weed and try to smoke them.



1) Where is this Mattel stuff coming from? First I've heard of it honestly, though I haven't been online much the last few days.

2) Bryan was by far the most over person on NXT. How you could even pretend otherwise is a bit strange.




It won't matter, because without Bryan, the angle is dead. David Otunga, a star? Why? Because he fucks a celebrity? I'd put more stock in Zach Ryder as a future WWE champion before David Otunga Remix, the guy is atrocious inside of the ring and the only reason he's even made it this far is because of who he's sleeping with.

Danielson was by far the most talented of the NXT guys. The WWE had solid gold in it's hand, and they threw it out.

It would be a whole lot different if it was Barrett who was leading the invasion got the axe but he didn't. It would be a whole lot different if Bryan actually won NXT but he didn't. Barrett obviously is getting pushed a hell of a lot more and I see no reason why this angle is dead when he can continue attacking Cena and go after the WWE title. I believe the reason they didn't attack on Smackdown is because Barrett wants to go after the best and the best is Cena. I believe Danielson will be back before this whole angle comes into an end which will be later rather than sooner.
 
It would be a whole lot different if it was Barrett who was leading the invasion got the axe but he didn't.

This has what to do with anything said in my post?

It would be a whole lot different if Bryan actually won NXT but he didn't.

Right, because the WWE decided to cut NXT's season in half and they no longer had the proper time to lay out the whole underdog coming from behind to win the season angle with Bryan. That is literally the only reason why Barrett won NXT.

Barrett obviously is getting pushed a hell of a lot more and I see no reason why this angle is dead when he can continue attacking Cena and go after the WWE title.[/quote]

Except no one really gives a fuck about Wade Barrett. Or any of the other NXT rookies. But they did care about Daniel Bryan. I don't recall ever having heard any "Wade Barrett" chants, but I recall hearing quite a few "Daniel Bryan" chants every week on NXT.

If you think Wade Barrett is ready to single-handedly carry a main event angle with John Cena...well, as usual, I have no idea what the fuck you're thinking Jerry. You seem to be forgetting that all of the NXT rookies besides Danielson were actually just that---rookies. They have VERY little in-ring and on-mic experience, and it will be years before most of them are ready to even be midcarders. Danielson on the other hand was about a breath away from being given the US title within a few months of being in the company, because he's got more experience than just about all of the rookies combined.

No offense, but was there a point to you responding to my post? Besides upping your post count that is?
 

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