Daniel Bryan Released *GIVE OPINIONS*

[Fallen Angel 21.3]

Ah, parting is such sweet sorrow. Emphasis on the sweet.



In addition to not having the physical capabilities to perform wrestling moves, I don't think most 5 year olds have the mental capability to perform wrestling moves. They can't even read yet, and you expect them to mimic what they see on 3 seconds of television? Also, this has nothing to do with Daniel Bryan.



I think your kid should be smart enough to figure that out himself. Once again, this has nothing to do with Bryan Danielson.



Those kids were in high school. They were angry, misguided youth who were constantly being humiliated by their classmates. What they did was not because of video games, but because of gun culture in the United States and years of abuse. To insinuate that such a tragedy happened as a result of a video game is an insult to both the victims of the Comumbine shootings as well as the families affected by it. Oh, and this has nothing to do with Daniel Bryan. I'm starting to see a pattern.



Huh? What does this have to do with Bryan Danielson?



THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

I believe your original point was that Daniel Bryan should not have been fired because of a choke when most wrestlers get away with so much worse. That is a valid argument, but the counter argument is also valid, in that a choke his a very dangerous thing, and it wouldn't be very surprising if the WWE were trying to cut down on choking moves. The choking with the tie was malicious, and while it made for great TV, it should not be emulated at home, which is something the WWE has struggled to deal with, and therefore it makes sense the they would cut out the choke hold.

I agree with you that if this is the reason Danielson was fired, it's not fair and it's an irrational response to the incident, but I can still see the logic in it.

Everytime i try to leave these dumbass keep pulling me back in once again i am going to hit on a few points on your post other then the fact that you have used daniel bryan/bryan danielson names alot and that doesn't make u smart....
1. A five year old can do a closeline easy and then boom a kid gets hurt in his windpiple or falls back the wrong way and hurts his head, a kid grabs a stick and pretends its a lead pipe and hurts the other kid u are looking at possible rib damage or head damage depend on the size of the stick (I will get on topic in a couple of minutes)
2. those kids did play violent games, yeah they did and the one kid found his dad's gun collection he did go to school with those weapons and shoot up the place so it was a mixture of game violence, gun violence and those kids getting beating up at school. It was all mixed together.
3. Daniel Bryan's release was not fair to him because once again he was doing his job, The American Dragon was told before hand what to do and he went out there and did it and like i said before it was the guy's in the production trucks fault for letting that get on national telavision. If nobody would have saw that on t.v. then he would have been fine. Bryan Danielson should not have been released and now that he has I am most likey not going to watch any WWE programming until he comes back on. Danielson is hands down better then 80% of the roster. Though he should have to pay for his actions i think that termation of his contact was too extreme but he should have had a suspension at least

 

[sycro]

JTG may not know it's a work (if it is). I doubt that he would be high enough up on the food chain to be told these things. I would expect that even the NXT invasion was only on a need-to-know basis.

 

[xcalypsox]

Good point i doubt he would be told about it either. I just saw it and thought its weird that out of all the wrestlers with twitter acounts JTG and Cena were the only ones that mentioned Bryans release.

 

[dansaint]

My take on the Cena Tweet:

It could be Cena's true feeling and the true feelings of WWE.

Remember...it's been said that WWE DID NOT want to fire Danielson and were happy with his work but some outside source forced them into it.

It would make sense for Cena (as spokesperson for himself as well as the WWE, being the face and "golden goose") to give his support to Bryan and ask for a petition to show the "offended party" that Bryan is an intrigual part of the WWE's future and without him...they're upsetting a lot of their fanbase...or a fanbase they are trying to bring back into the WWE Universe (the IWC, which has lately, fallen out of favor with the WWE with the exception of the latest angle that Bryan was apart of)

So maybe this expedites Bryan's return to WWE...or this could all be an elaborate ruse and for that...I tip my cap and say..."Well done Vince...well done"

 

[Lee]

JR's mentioned it on twitter and his blog. TO be fair if the Danielson thing is a work, I would imagine all of the staff would know about it, it would be a poor relationship between performers and staff if they were lead to believe one of their colleagues was fired.


Now what I don't get regarding the rumour of Justin Roberts, surely Danielson would have told Roberts before hand, not a spur of the moment thing. This would have been planned with whoever wrote the angle and of course between Danielson and Roberts. Now if Roberts didn't know and Danielson decided spur of the moment to do that then the firing is justified, you don't choke non wrestling staff as a spur of the moment. However if Roberts said yeah go ahead do it, then Roberts should be penalised as well.

Work or not, it's got us all talking!

 

[sycro]

My guess is that it is not a work, that he was legitimetly released. I think they will try to play it into the story some way, by saying that he was forced out in an attempt to stop the rookies. That he was viewed as the leader and WWE had filed a restraining order or something that would ensure he didn't show up.

Then in a few months when whomever complained has forgotten all about it, Bryan Danielson will suddenly appear counter to the other NXT rookies as a secret weapon to take them out, brought in by Vince or Bret Hart or someone.

 

[Blue Chipper]

I'm largely thinking this isn't a work. If WWE intended this to be a work, then most of their audience won't get it as they are said to not typically visit "smarky" sites, nor get on the internet in general. Also, it seemingly serves no purpose. I don't see an angle coming out of this.

I do find this semi-ridiculous if it isn't a work. I think a civil discussion of the wrongs that Bryan did would suffice, instead of taking the pretty huge action of firing him. He was a fairly essential component in a strong storyline that will play out, and they fire him.

Whilst I'm incredibly indifferent to Bryan, I have no idea why WWE fired him for a very trivial action.

 

[xcalypsox]

My bad i forgot JR talked about it also and what i meant by JTG not knowing if it is a work or not is people mentioned that even some of the people at ringside for the invasion didnt know that was going to happen to make it seem more real. So maybe the wwe didnt want to tell everyone about this to make it more real.


But i think its real not a work and its sad but at least they said they want to work with him in the future when it blows over and he has alot of fans and some wrestlers on his side so i think he'll be back soon.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Here is my second thought on what could happen tom. concerning Bryan Danielson. You could have Cena start the show by addressing the universe of this situation. Have him say that Danielson was held back for the majority of his time in WWE. Have him ask his Cnation if Bryan deserves a second chance then Bret comes out and goes on about second chances and how he was given a second chance in the WWE. Then, have Bret announce next week that if Bryan defeats Cena he will be given a contract to the Raw Brand.

 

[1ofThePeeps]

It's not a work. He's gone. Stop being delusional. He was only well known and over with 5-10% of the WWE fanbase. They don't even need to do anything "kayfabe" to bring it into the storyline. Most fans won't even notice that he isn't there.

You can't choke people with shit in the WWE anymore. This is a different kind of wrestling. Heath Slater thought about choking Cena with the ring rope, and it was pretty obvious someone (be it Cena or someone else in the ring) told him not to do it.

I'd guess Danielson got lost in the moment, and is used to wrestling everywhere else in the world where something like choking someone isn't a big deal at all. Unfortunately this is the WWE, and whether we like it or not, they hold their product to a different standard.

Maybe he'll be back, maybe he won't. Even if they did want him back, maybe this incident is an example of how wrestlers like Danielson don't fit in the current WWE product. I think it'd be better for both parties if he didn't come back. Danielson could go back to being the amazing worker that he is, wrestling all over the world.. and WWE can continue to be PG programming for kids and fans that don't care how good you are in the ring.

 

[RatedRPiedmont]

Lets Play a game I like to call ODDSMAKERS!!

Ok, there has been a lot of rather odd circumstances around Bryan Danielson's (i refuse to call him anything else) release. He was released Friday after a week of what WZ.com is reporting that his fate had been decided. We have some odd circumstances with "Cena's" tweet, as he is usually a suck up and is not known for speaking out against anything. On top of that he was in the beginning of what appears to be a major storyline.

This is stuff we all know. I am asking this:

What are the odds Bryan Danielson will wrestle for the WWE again?

Keep in to consideration:

- He made a BIG no-no in the Dubya Dubya E (Sheamus quote). While in my humble opinion it added so much to the destruction the caused, you cant choke like that anymore.

- Danielson seems like the guy who has a lot of pride in himself, and may be too (i wish the was a better word) stubborn to return after his sudden release.

- He is said to be well liked, and there are several reports of WWE's interest in rehiring him back ASAP

- They devoted so much time to his development. Realize it or not, NXT was the Daniel Bryan show. He was eliminated the first week of eliminations and still appeared every week after until the finale.

- The offers will be pouring in. I mean flooding. He has been successful everywhere else, and wasnt given much of a chance in the E.

So what do you think the odds are of Danielson coming back to WWE someday?

My personal opinion is 80%. I do believe Danielson has many other options and he will explore them, but as we so often see, if the WWE wants you, sooner or later it is bound to happen.

What are your thoughts?

 

[ABMorales787]

First thing is I admit I was wrong about the Danielson/WWE crap. Damn.

Spoiler

Wrestlezone.com:

According to a source within WWE, Bryan Danielson's release from the company did not raise many backstage eye brows following last week's NXT invasion angle on Raw. According to what I was told, immediately after the incident where Danielson choked ring announcer Justin Roberts occurred, the WWE creative team knew there would be ramifications to Danielson's actions as what he did is not allowed in the company.

I was told that it is well known amongst wrestlers and employees in WWE that blatant choke holds with weapons or the ring ropes are not allowed in WWE, and the reason why is directly because of the events which occurred during the Chris Benoit tragedy.

I was told that Vince McMahon himself called Danielson directly on Friday night and informed him of his WWE release. Immediately after, Stephanie McMahon informed the rest of the WWE employees and talent that Danielson was no longer with the company.

Many online reports are suggesting that Danielson was thrown under the bus, so to speak, with this firing and from what I was told that is generally true. The source I spoke with gave me the impression that Danielson will be re-hired on the "91st day," which is a reference to his 90 day no-compete clause. Of course this is NOT a confirmation that Danielson will indeed be hired back, but the impression I was given is that Danielson's firing was something that WWE had to do to make sure they followed protocol, and not necessarily something that WWE wanted to do.

They allowed it. They fucking allowed it. Fuck, they even filmed it and re-aired it. Now they gotta hope Danielson doesn't run away thinking his bosses are morons. My God! What hell was going on in the production truck? Were they having orgasms about the segment and forgot about the rule? Damn!

Cena Tweets On Danielson's Release


Heat On Cena Over Tweet

Then we have John Cena. Who goes out of his way to defend the man and request him back. Why not? Cena was high on the guy. Everyone was. Bryan was just doing what he was told. Somehow it pissed everyone off now. Why? You morons allowed it to happen in the first place. No. This isn't a conspiracy. Its a moronic mistake. WWE knew it, The NXT kids didn't. They were just given the ball to run with it but were never given any ground rules. We get PM with the Forum Rules when we first join. Apparently the workers don't get a manual.

Lastly we have us. The IWC. Who were gullible enough to think this was a work. Or that he was fired because he made Triple H's kids cry. Self included. We are honestly more gullible than the kid fans WWE caters to. That is fucking embarrassing.

Who were the bigger dumbasses here? My pick? WWE. They were moronic enough to film it and re-air it.

 

[Hawkeye]

I give 'em 90%.They've been working with him for years now and I know if this isn't a work they will sit down with DB/BD and iron out the details of what happened and come to an agreement that(and this is my opinion) he was told to make it look as vicious as possible and that he made a mistake in choking Justin with his tie.I know there's more than a large fraction of WWE brass that didn't want to go trough with this release and they probably have a plan in place like they had with Helms,but this time will succeed because Bryan's never been in legal trouble

 

[Kayoh]

Bryan Danielson has accomplished everything (and more) that there is to accomplish on the independent circuit. All he has left to do is conquer mainstream wrestling/SE and he can call it a career. I don't see any reason as to why he would possibly refuse a return to the WWE. I'm gonna be in the minority when I say 100%.

 

[drobs85]

Chances are 100%. WWE doesn't hardly have any credible small guys etc. They need a guy like Daniels or Danielson whatever his name is. He seems to be a very good wrestler for his size. Secondly if the choking roberts with the tie was cause for him to be fired why wasn't that scene edited out of nxt and smackdown when they replayed that segment for those who missed raw? Thirdly you mean to tell me as scripted as the WWE is, they didnt tell Danielson to go out there and do that, bull****. Daniels went out there and did that on his own. I guess they didn't tell Otunga to punch the ref in his face either.

 

[The Prod1gy]

This whole situation is bullshit in the first place if you ask me. Why the fuck wouldn't the WWE tell them what they can do and what they can't do. Also I cannot believe this rule in the first place, they are so called basing it around the fact Chris Benoit hung himself and choked his wife and son to death which is bullshit! No one would find the comparison when watching that, and the fact the E take away choking and etc. because of something some roided up delirious guy did to his family just makes us remember the event more,if they won't us to forget about it. Stop doing shit like this! Well know I have gotten severely off topic and will probably get in troble for this post so I better get back to the subject. I say 70%, why is because I am not sure but aren't Bryan and Nigel McGuiness friends? If so he probably would of seen how well they treated him and Cross The Line. That may even be the Major surprise Dixie has being hyping up wouldn't that be a shocker.

 

[TheCureAndrewHeller]

one thing that really irkes me about the whole choking thing is that choking isnt really allowed anymore because of the whole chris benoit thing. But if i remember, a year ago and somewhat Shawn micheals was using the crippler crossface in alot of his matches. Guess what we think of as soon as he puts that move on someone....CHRIS BENOIT. Even if shawn is a veteran guy, mcmahon allowed him to use that move. And also, i think i remember john cena choked out randy orton with handcuffs at bragging rights last year. Not really fair

 

[Macskye]

When I first heard the news I was gutted, I had only really heard of Bryan Danielson when he came to WWE, and all I heard about was how Bryan Danielson was one of the best wrestlers in the industry today, so I went online and watched some of his matches and thought he was amazing. Since the news of his release came out on Friday there's been loads of speculation; It's part of a storyline, it's legit, he'll never be back in WWE, he'll be back after his 90 day no compete clause. Personally I would love to see him back ASAP.

After reading all the news, rumours and the tweets. I give Daniel Bryan a 85% chance that'll he'll be back in the WWE sooner or later, maybe after his 90 day no compete clause unless he's so unhappy about his release, but I'm sure he'd understand that it was something that could not be avoided, if not I'm sure he'll appear again somewhere down the line.

 

[Stormlor]

I'm going to give it less than 20% chance that he will be back in WWE. There are many reasons why. One is that WWE doesn't want / need small wrestlers. Two the cause (while stupid) would cause Dixie to go grab him seeing that TNA now is the independent wrestling capital. He would have great matches with RVD, AJ, Kaz and many more of the famous X division.

 

[jccool420]

I'm going to have to say 90 percent, because I'm still not sure if this is a work or not...

I mean, with the whole name change thing he did on twitter just a few hours before the announced firing and the "Winds of change" comment and Cena actually taking up for him... I think WWE is really trying to blur the lines of kayfabe...

Someone in these forums actually mentioned the idea of a storyline where Cena would try to get BD rehired so that he could get his on screen revenge on him for the attack and that seems to me where they are headed... I mean, Cena mentioned something about Carlito getting fired on his Twitter but he didn't mention anything about wanting him back...

If this is all real, then I honestly hope he doesn't go back to the E... I would love to see him in TNA...

 

[Random_Dude]

Some other things to take into consideration:
-Vince never wanted to fire Danielson he along with steph were very pleased in where the storyline was going, Vince had a sponsor in his ear telling him action needs to be taken because what danielson was doing was "violent", considering that same sponsor is probably making Vince millions of dollars, Vince really didnt have a choice, I think its evident too when Vince personally made the call to Danielson to tell him of his release

I see the chances @ 70 percent chance of Danielson returning with WWE giving him a bigger paycheck and a sympathy push , if not then its back to ROH i really dont see him in TNA

 

[jmyers19]

I really, really want to say 100% but I think that there is an 85-90% chance of him resigning once this whole fiasco blows over. Of course TNA are going to target Danielson, who the hell wouldn't once his no compete clause runs out? But only one person knows where they're going to end up and that's Bryan Danielson.

Bear in mind though the WWE actually wanted to bring him up to the main roster in late 2009 yet Danielson wanted to go to development because he felt rusty. So perhaps the amount of faith WWE put him in will show him they really do want him around and with the push of Bourne on the rise it'll put faith in Danielson in knowing they'll push smaller wrestlers so he'll know he'll be used properly upon his return. And its been said as well how Vince and Steph praised the angle and have been happy with his work and he has a positive attitude backstage, someone even said he's the type you'd want in your locker room. But I heard the complaints were rolling in and someone else was wanting Danielson gone so Vince had no other choice but to release Danielson, which he even did personally but was given the impression he would be allowed back.

Again though, this could be a work and he could very well appear on Raw, much like how Hardy done in 2005 and has been doing recently on SD in a rogue state. Last year they 'fired' Jericho, was 'future endeavoured' for about a week but that was announced on WWE.com, but the WWE.com corporate website, http://corporate.wwe.com/news/releases_2010.jsp doesn't even have it on that Danielson has been released, yet they announced that Carlito was released on the 21st of May. So some more things to throw in on the side of this could be a work arguement.

 

[AttitudeAJM]

The reports seem oddly conflicting. Once second they say Vince was forced to fire him by a sponsor now they're saying that the decision was made immediately after Raw. It's hard to make an opinion on something when it doesn't seem that all the facts are there.

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

He was the best new thing in WWE...this will hurt the NXT invasion angle a lot..although it doesn't have a leader...he is considered the best..IMO....

This is legit..and wwe have done it so they can lose some heat....after it has boiled over...he will return and wwe will talk about it like it was a work...

 

[varney]

I'm going to have to say 70 / 30 it's a WORK. First off every single report is conflicting, you have one report saying it took a little while for the ball to be rolling and Vince was actually very pleased with the angle. You have another report saying Vince was pist right away "and all the boys knew he was in trouble."

If in fact Vince was legitimately pissed Dragon would of been out of a job by Tuesday afternoon not 4 days later. Dragon also wouldn't of had the opportunity to work the FCW show Wednesday..which he did.

Dragon's twitter about "winds of change" is also a key factor. It makes me believe that Daniel Bryan the character was fired and not Bryan Danielson the person. I do know that the WWE page says Daniel Bryan (Bryan Danielson). But I think it is the ending of Daniel Bryan the character who happens to be Bryan Danielson the person and we will witness the START of Bryan Danielson the character.

John Cena is 100% a company guy, we've all read reports how he is a company guy. He has never complained against something ever. Cena has never worked Amdrag in the indies, he worked a dark match with him like seven years ago. I also will go on a limb and say John Cena and Bryan Danielson are not the best of friends. Danielson has been constantly moving around America and Japan going from show to show for the last ten years almost always with the same group of people (Aries, Cabana, Hero, Richards, etc.) Where does this Cena Danielson relationship start, while he was hussling around the indies? When he was in the WWE for a few months? John Cena is 100% behind WWE in what ever it does. HE HAS TO, he's the top dog. So why would Cena bash Vince and his company, the company he is the face of, personally online in the public domain in regards to Bryan Danielson. I could understand if they maybe trained together and grew as wrestlers together...but they didn't. I have never read a report saying Cena and Dragon hang out all the time and are best friends. This whole Cena tweet makes it seem like it's a huge work.

Remember people wars have been won through disinformation.

P.S.


- CM Punk seemed to make light of Daniel Bryan’s release at the Smackdown live event last night in Hampton, Virginia, before his match with Kane. Punk entered the ring and cornered announcer Tony Chimel, grabbed his tie and held it while looking back and forth between the tie and Tony’s face, threatening him.