CM Punk walks out

[DarksideEric]

How is paying a guy a lot of money and giving him big time matches treating him badly?

Have you not read much of what has been said or examples given of "big matches" being done wrong?

Example (again): Michaels vs. Hogan.

Giant match. Giant names.

Michaels was supposedly going to go over.

That didn't happen so...

"Giant match, lots of money, still done badly."

Or when Punk fought HHH.

Giant name that HHH.

Lots of money.

...HHH won. Why?

Austin vs. Lesnar didn't even happen.

Giant names. Lots of money.

Handled wrong.

 

[therockiswwf]

Punk didn't lose clean to HHH. Other examples not relevant to the situation.

Punk was given high profile matches and won, a lot. He never really got screwed out of anything ever since he became a main event guy.

 

[DarksideEric]

You seem to fail to grasp the difference between 'he can' and 'he should'. Fans will forgive him well because they are fans. Promoters, events people will say fk that cunt for being unprofessional but what can they do when that cunt is still a huge draw and try to pacify him.

I don't say walking out is what he should have done because I'm a fan.

I say walking out is what he should have done if he felt he was actually at the point of frustration.

If you feel you've been pushed to the point of frustration that walking out seems to be the only viable option, the employer hasn't exactly been that professional either and thus give up their right to claim the employee is being "unprofessional."

 

[ABMorales787]

My point is it is professional to give them a notice. I understand he has the right to quit whenever he wants. But just walking out is unprofessional.

If you owned a business and an important guy just quit, no notice or anything. Imagine how you would feel. I imagine you would not be very happy about it.

Yes. But at the same time, there's nothing I can do about it because he's free to leave. And me, as said business owner, must re-adjust accordingly.

You don't do things in a business because you "feel" that's how things should go. It's a matter of balance. Both parties need to feel they're getting something beneficial of their deal or else there's no point in maintaining it.

You seem to fail to grasp the difference between 'he can' and 'he should'. Fans will forgive him well because they are fans. Promoters, events people will say fk that cunt for being unprofessional but what can they do when that cunt is still a huge draw and try to pacify him.

He can and should do whatever the hell he wants. If he's fulfilled his responsibilities to the WWE then it's stupid to argue that he "has" to stick around just because YOU "feel" it's the right thing to do. There's no right or wrong here. He's done his business and it's up to WWE to see if they'll appeal to him or just go their own merry way.

 

[DarksideEric]

Punk didn't lose clean to HHH.

That doesn't matter if we're talking about "things not being handled well."

Other examples not relevant to the situation.

Yes they are. The situation is "person A thinks person B isn't doing things in the right manner despite high profile matches."

Punk was given high profile matches and won, a lot. He never really got screwed out of anything ever since he became a main event guy.

That still doesn't mean he thought they were doing things correctly. How many got damn times do I have to say it?

 

[therockiswwf]

I don't see what they were doing to him that caused him harm. He was frustrated by himself not by WWE. They gave him big money and a spotlight. He was mad cause he wanted the biggest spotlight. That is not the WWE's fault.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

Professionalism is a two-way street. Punk's should hardly be solely called into question considering the company he works for/with.

People are too inclined to stay with the employer because they have the advantage when they feel like something is unjust. Even if Punk isn't right in this case, what he is doing still absolutely is. If he feels that something is amiss or someone(s) are being misrepresented then he should demonstrate his dissatisfaction, just as he has.

But at the end of the day, I'm not a dirtsheet. I'm not going to pretend to know what the breakdown is due to. None of us know and likely will never have a true inkling until there's some sort of shoot or biographic DVD released. And even then, that's one person's opinion. Honestly, I wish more people would be like him. There's so many guys worse off like Kofi Kingston who's been an ambassador for the company and has never been given a shot at anything whilst others have come in and overtaken him. Zach Ryder who got himself over, and waited until management didn't like it so they made everyone forget him by making him a footnote in the Cena saga. If these guys stood up for being mistreated, the ridiculous creative and corporate structure would have to be reconsidered.

That doesn't mean it has to become WCW in 1999 with guaranteed contracts and guys making sure they get top pay for minimum work. It just means talent gets some sort of say. Guys in WWE today are so afraid that they can't go anywhere else and make money that, or that they are in the place they'd always dreamt of and it couldn't possibly not be all it promised,that they'll put up with anything. And will continue to. Sickening really. Wrestlers used to be all about having balls. Perhaps that's part of the reason people find it so hard to invest in many mid-card WWE guys, and so easy for Punk.

 

[ABMorales787]

I don't see what they were doing to him that caused him harm. He was frustrated by himself not by WWE. They gave him big money and a spotlight. He was mad cause he wanted the biggest spotlight. That is not the WWE's fault.

You sound as if you talked to the man, himself. Mind telling him he has a terrible taste in music and body art next time you discuss selfish desires?

 

[DarksideEric]

I don't see what they were doing to him that caused him harm. He was frustrated by himself not by WWE. They gave him big money and a spotlight. He was mad cause he wanted the biggest spotlight. That is not the WWE's fault.

 

[Alastor]

I don't say walking out is what he should have done because I'm a fan.

I say walking out is what he should have done if he felt he was actually at the point of frustration.

If you feel you've been pushed to the point of frustration that walking out seems to be the only viable option, the employer hasn't exactly been that professional either and thus give up their right to claim the employee is being "unprofessional."

So we are in agreement he was being unprofessional then with the counter you have for explaining his 'walk out' being tit for tat.

He can and should do whatever the hell he wants. If he's fulfilled his responsibilities to the WWE then it's stupid to argue that he "has" to stick around just because YOU "feel" it's the right thing to do. There's no right or wrong here. He's done his business and it's up to WWE to see if they'll appeal to him or just go their own merry way.

I am not saying he can't leave if he wants to. What he should have done is to at least finish his current programme built up in the Rumble. If there is no right or wrong here why the need to keep defending this action? In any other production it would be seen as being unprofessional why is it any different because it is 'wrestling'? Having said that, WWE can sweep everything under the carpet by letting him have a break sell the beating at the rumble and finish the stupid programme at EC with a match and both can part ways.

 

[therockiswwf]

Punk didn't think the WWE was doing stuff correctly (though Else than a Mania main event, Im not sure what he wanted). That is Punk's fault alone. He was a main eventer, the frustration was not caused by WWE. They treated him very well but he didn't feel like they did.

Anyways the point is he should have given them notice. He didn't. The frustration was not the WWE's fault.

They didn't force him out. I'm not sure why you thought the WWE pushed him out. They didn't.

 

[ABMorales787]

I am not saying he can't leave if he wants to. What he should have done is to at least finish his current programme built up in the Rumble. If there is no right or wrong here why the need to keep defending this action? In any other production it would be seen as being unprofessional why is it any different because it is 'wrestling'? Having said that, WWE can sweep everything under the carpet by letting him have a break sell the beating at the rumble and finish the stupid programme at EC with a match and both can part ways.

Punk didn't think the WWE was doing stuff correctly (though Else than a Mania main event, Im not sure what he wanted). That is Punk's fault alone. He was a main eventer, the frustration was not caused by WWE. They treated him very well but he didn't feel like they did.

Anyways the point is he should have given them notice. He didn't. The frustration was not the WWE's fault.

They didn't force him out. I'm not sure why you thought the WWE pushed him out. They didn't.

So neither one of you has a genuine claim to why Punk had to stay other than wishful desires, huh?

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

Punk didn't think the WWE was doing stuff correctly (though Else than a Mania main event, Im not sure what he wanted). That is Punk's fault alone. He was a main eventer, the frustration was not caused by WWE. They treated him very well but he didn't feel like they did.

Anyways the point is he should have given them notice. He didn't. The frustration was not the WWE's fault.

They didn't force him out. I'm not sure why you thought the WWE pushed him out. They didn't.

Why is this guy still talking like he and Punk had lunch earlier today?

 

[DarksideEric]

So we are in agreement he was being unprofessional then with the counter you have for explaining his 'walk out' being tit for tat.

No, the point is if the company pushes you to a far enough point, it no longer becomes "unprofessional" to walk out without leave. They've done something to push you to such a frustrated point that professionalism really doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Alastor]

So neither one of you has a genuine claim to why Punk had to stay other than wishful desires, huh?

Fulfilling his obligations to the production (the whole damn team that depend on performers like him) is my only claim. Other than that he can do whatever the hell he pleases.

 

[ABMorales787]

Fulfilling his obligations to the production (the whole damn team that depend on performers like him) is my only claim. Other than that he can do whatever the hell he pleases.

Well he did fulfill his obligations. Now he's doing whatever the hell he pleases.

 

[Alastor]

Well he did fulfill his obligations. Now he's doing whatever the hell he pleases.

He did not and you saying he did doesn't make it true.

 

[ABMorales787]

He did not and you saying he did doesn't make it true.

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ. Did he breach his contract? Well, did he?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Uh, probably? Why would you think he didn't?

 

[Alastor]

No, the point is if the company pushes you to a far enough point, it no longer becomes "unprofessional" to walk out without leave. They've done something to push you to such a frustrated point that professionalism really doesn't matter anymore.

What did the company push him into that the rest of the wrestlers wasn't subjected to? He has been booked almost Cena like for the past year. He has no leverage to get the spotlight he craves now that Bryan is the indie darling of the roster. Cena, Batista had leverage. Deal with it.

 

[Alastor]

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ. Did he breach his contract? Well, did he?

No.

 

[ABMorales787]

Uh, probably? Why would you think he didn't?

Then his contract would be have been terminated and WWE.com would be wishing him the best in his future endeavors already while pressing for breach of contract.

No.

Then why do you keep arguing that he did something wrong?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Then his contract would be have been terminated and WWE.com would be wishing him the best in his future endeavors already.

He was contracted through July. If he refuses to work, he's breaching his contract. Maybe they're still trying to work it out.

 

[therockiswwf]

Please tell me exactly how WWE wronged Punk. What did they do that was so bad that he had no other option but quitting? Should they never bring anyone back just to please Punk? Should anyone who works hard get the main event because they busted his ass with them all year? That is not the way it works. Punk is wrong to just leave. Not wrong in leaving, wrong in leaving without warning. Big difference.

I babysit sometimes, would it be fair for me to show up and go bye I am frustrated cause they wont listen? No.

Believe it or not I had a similar situation happened to me. I got injured for 2 years (destroyed my knee playing soccer for this coach), had to get multiple knee surgeries and had to rehab for a long time. I came back my varsity year (same coach) and was never given a chance (I used to play every minute of every game but that year I played a total of 15 minutes). I was mad and I told my coach that multiple times that I wanted to play. But one thing was I was NOT OWED playing time. I may have worked my ass off for 2 years and destroyed my knee playing for him, but that doesn't mean he was obligated to reward me.

That is the part you guys don't get. WWE don't owe Punk top billing. They don't owe him a main event at Wrestlemania. Yes I was frustrated by my lack of playing time just like Punk is frustrated by part timers taking spots up, but that my/his prerogative. The frustration was not the WWE's fault, why can't you get that? If Punk wants to quit, fine. But don't just quit out of nowhere, that is unprofessional.

Just because you are mad doesn't the world should stop to tend to your needs. Punk is being a baby. The fact that you guys continue to defend him is baffling to me. Grow up.

 

[therockiswwf]

Oh he didn't fulfill his obligations. They advertised him for shows he will now miss and is still under contract. If his contract ran out then he would have fulfilled his obligations.