CM Punk walks out

[Hard Hit Prince]

Professionalism is a two-way street. Punk's should hardly be solely called into question considering the company he works for/with.

People are too inclined to stay with the employer because they have the advantage when they feel like something is unjust. Even if Punk isn't right in this case, what he is doing still absolutely is. If he feels that something is amiss or someone(s) are being misrepresented then he should demonstrate his dissatisfaction, just as he has.

Yes, when you are unsatisfied you should tell your bosses that, there is no doubt about that - but what CM Punk did and he's the first to tell you, is going out there and working 50% of what he could do. That's not just the mature way of dealing with frustrations - I mean for what we know Vince is a ruthless boss but he's always open to talk with his superstars, specially main event ones.

We all knew CM Punk wanted the WrestleMania XXX main event spot and I'll be the first to tell you, after he returned as a babyface against Jericho where he had an helluva match and went on to feud with Lesnar and once again delivering like only he can, I was really expecting him to be able to win the Royal Rumble and go on for that spot. However after his feud with Lesnar, granted it's not anything great to work with Axel and Ryback, he instead of working hard he seemed to have just give up and gave us piss poor performances. He's been with injuries, as he ever said: "Hey I need some time off, I really do"? No. For all we know he is that type of guy that works while injured and agents never really knew and this is the WWE being worried and not trying to demote the guy.

He can't always have the spotlight on him as the same as sometimes even us have a break from John Cena (granted it's not too long, but still). Instead of sitting around and letting Daniel Bryan grow as much as he did, and letting Randy Orton turn into #1 heel he should have done something different to make the fans talk about him once again. He started to be like Del Rio in a way, I mean we all know he's there and that he's great in the ring, but what's there to root for? In CM Punk's case it's the fantastic past performances.

In one way I'm happy that the guy is going to take some time off, even if he goes on to try some UFC like he always wanted or to just simply get away from wrestling for a while. On the other hand I think he was completely immature about this situation and should have gone to WrestleMania for his payday and then saying: "What now?" - if they don't give him a better spot, you just go "I don't agree with it. I'm sorry. I think I need some time Vince." and in that case you are being a professional and showing that the company can trust you with better instead of being a whinny little bitch.

WWE has not been freaking fantastic, but has been putting out good television most of the time. We don't need to like everything, it's impossible, but it's been good for some time now. It's good to have someone so outspoken for the product as it shows interest, but it's not good when this "outspoken" person goes on to bitch and moan about everything instead of going out there and proving them wrong.

 

[Alastor]

Then why do you keep arguing that he did something wrong?

Because he did if the situation is true? In any walks of life if you packed your bags and leave the employer hanging with less than a day's notice when you are in the middle of a project it is unprofessional, so why is it so hard to see he did something wrong?

 

[DarksideEric]

What did the company push him into that the rest of the wrestlers wasn't subjected to? He has been booked almost Cena like for the past year. He has no leverage to get the spotlight he craves now that Bryan is the indie darling of the roster. Cena, Batista had leverage. Deal with it.

 

[DarksideEric]

Please tell me exactly how WWE wronged Punk. What did they do that was so bad that he had no other option but quitting? Should they never bring anyone back just to please Punk? Should anyone who works hard get the main event because they busted his ass with them all year? That is not the way it works. Punk is wrong to just leave. Not wrong in leaving, wrong in leaving without warning. Big difference.

I babysit sometimes, would it be fair for me to show up and go bye I am frustrated cause they wont listen? No.

Believe it or not I had a similar situation happened to me. I got injured for 2 years (destroyed my knee playing soccer for this coach), had to get multiple knee surgeries and had to rehab for a long time. I came back my varsity year (same coach) and was never given a chance (I used to play every minute of every game but that year I played a total of 15 minutes). I was mad and I told my coach that multiple times that I wanted to play. But one thing was I was NOT OWED playing time. I may have worked my ass off for 2 years and destroyed my knee playing for him, but that doesn't mean he was obligated to reward me.

That is the part you guys don't get. WWE don't owe Punk top billing. They don't owe him a main event at Wrestlemania. Yes I was frustrated by my lack of playing time just like Punk is frustrated by part timers taking spots up, but that my/his prerogative. The frustration was not the WWE's fault, why can't you get that? If Punk wants to quit, fine. But don't just quit out of nowhere, that is unprofessional.

Just because you are mad doesn't the world should stop to tend to your needs. Punk is being a baby. The fact that you guys continue to defend him is baffling to me. Grow up.

Your analogies are so bad that this is all I can do to convey an answer to you.

Not to mention the rest of your post.

 

[The Butcher]

I think a reasonable (not necessarily great, but work with me) comparison would be Jonathan Martin of the Miami Dolphins. He could have stuck around and tried to change his workplace for the better, but he was fed up, pissed off, and decided that he had had enough. He was under contract and had an obligation to the Dolphins, the NFL, and the fans. However, his mental health and well being was more valuable to him, so he decided to just walk out. It happens every day in most every business, I'm sure. When people reach a point where they've had enough, then there's nothing that can be done. Punk reached that point. We can debate whether it's right or wrong in our eyes, but for the individuals themselves, it's probably the right call. A nervous breakdown isn't worth fulfilling any business obligation.

 

[DarksideEric]

Because he did if the situation is true? In any walks of life if you packed your bags and leave the employer hanging with less than a day's notice when you are in the middle of a project it is unprofessional, so why is it so hard to see he did something wrong?

It's not unprofessional if he was felt pushed to the point of feeling that just walking out was the right option.

How are you not getting this?

Punk, seemingly, felt like things were continually going in the wrong direction, whether it was creatively for himself, creatively for others, injury rehabilitation or any number of other reasons that people can butt heads for in an industry such as theirs.

Get this through your head:

If a person in a relationship feels things are bad enough to the point where they feel walking out is the only option, something has gone wrong on both sides of the relationship, but the employer loses the ability to claim it to be "unprofessional" if they have not been acting professional themselves.

One more time:

Walking out on an employer is not wrong if the employee feels they have been pushed to their edge.

 

[Alastor]

I think a reasonable (not necessarily great, but work with me) comparison would be Jonathan Martin of the Miami Dolphins. He could have stuck around and tried to change his workplace for the better, but he was fed up, pissed off, and decided that he had had enough. He was under contract and had an obligation to the Dolphins, the NFL, and the fans. However, his mental health and well being was more valuable to him, so he decided to just walk out. It happens every day in most every business, I'm sure. When people reach a point where they've had enough, then there's nothing that can be done. Punk reached that point. We can debate whether it's right or wrong in our eyes, but for the individuals themselves, it's probably the right call. A nervous breakdown isn't worth any obligation, real or perceived.

Probably the most sensible post here.

 

[DarksideEric]

Probably the most sensible post here.

It's not like we've been telling you that over...

And over...

And over...

And over...

And over again or anything.

 

[The Butcher]

It's not like we've been telling you that over...

And over...

And over...

And over...

And over again or anything.

I just came in in the middle of this, so maybe I worded something differently. I edited the damn thing 3 times, so I hope one revision or another worked.

Personally, I left a good job in health care because of stressors outside of my control. I didn't walk out, but there were days. I can see both sides. There's no right or wrong here, I don't think.

 

[Alastor]

It's not like we've been telling you that over...

And over...

And over...

And over...

And over again or anything.

No you were saying CM Punk was not unprofessional and tried to defend it over and over and over again. There is a subtle difference. He can be unprofessional and doing something right for himself. He can be doing something right for himself but wrong to the company and production team.

At the end of the day he was doing something he felt was right for him and you trying to defend the action as if he was a saint or martyr is laughable.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Its always unprofessional to walk out on work unless they were asking Punk to do something really, really bad. He walked out on a show he was advertised on, that's unprofessional any way you spin it. Unless Vince asked him to rape someone there's no good reason to walk out in the manner he did. It wasn't because he had an emergency it was because he was upset. I just can't defend that.

I love Punk, he's phenomenal, I harbor no ill will towards him, if he was unhappy then he should quit but this just wasn't the way to handle this situation, my opinion.

 

[therockiswwf]

Please answer me this, what did WWE do that forced Punk to become so stressed that he had to quit? Or answer me with a facepalm. What he did was unprofessional. He left, with no warning, because he was didn't get his way. Tell me how that is excusable. Please tell me.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Am I the only one who is just bummed out? I don't really give a shit who's fault it is, Punk was one of my favorites. This sucks dick.

 

[The Warlord]

Im calling work.

No way someone the calibur of a CM Punk isnt getting a top match and huge payday for Mania.
I can see this leading to the rumored HHH match at Mania.
Afterall, it was the "doofus son-in-law" that he quoted in his pipe bomb during his last "walk out" he threatened the WWE with.
We could actually have some great writing and good storytelling for once.

We shall see

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Am I the only one who is just bummed out? I don't really give a shit who's fault it is, Punk was one of my favorites. This sucks dick.

I'm waiting to see if its a work. I'm still in the denial step.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Im calling work.

So basically you're admitting to being an idiot? Good. Nice to see people on here acknowledge their indescrepencies.

 

[nightmare]

Am I the only one who is just bummed out? I don't really give a shit who's fault it is, Punk was one of my favorites. This sucks dick.

Nate wins.

I know this just happened but I am already tired of people freaking out over who did what & why. Punk was awesome & now I dont get to see him wrestle anymore. (for the time being)


For everyone saying he was wrong for whatever reason he chose: If you were him & felt the same, would you honestly stay somewhere you disliked being -or go home & chill with your large bank account?


Im sure he didnt want to disappoint his fans, but damn - obviously the guy just wanted to go home because he was tired of the bullshit. It sucks for me as a fan but I get it.

 

[The Butcher]

Am I the only one who is just bummed out? I don't really give a shit who's fault it is, Punk was one of my favorites. This sucks dick.

I was there last night. When I first caught word that Punk walked out at a house show, I was thinking that it was just storyline. When the confirmation came from F4WOnline, I came here and started this thread because no one here or on the main page was saying anything about it. Didn't even think to make a non-spam thread or anything (h/t to NorCal). Then Alvarez or Meltzer tweeted that they'd be doing a special radio show for the breaking news, and inside I knew Punk was done. Now that the news is almost 24 hours old to me, I've just accepted it. It licks smegma, but I've rolled with worse punches.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

First time since Austin where I'm actually going to miss someone who quit/got canned.

 

[WhiskeyTango]

Am I the only one who is just bummed out?

You are not the only one.

 

[Ty Burna]

Am I the only one who is just bummed out? I don't really give a shit who's fault it is, Punk was one of my favorites. This sucks dick.

^

This is how I am right now as well. I don't care about the who did what or why, all I care about is that one of my favorite wrestlers is gone now.

I'm just deflated now with wrestling as the moment. I got NXT on right now, and typically I look forward to it, but I just can't get excited to watch it at all.

 

[DarksideEric]

No you were saying CM Punk was not unprofessional and tried to defend it over and over and over again. There is a subtle difference. He can be unprofessional and doing something right for himself. He can be doing something right for himself but wrong to the company and production team.

At the end of the day he was doing something he felt was right for him and you trying to defend the action as if he was a saint or martyr is laughable.

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[DarksideEric]

^

This is how I am right now as well. I don't care about the who did what or why, all I care about is that one of my favorite wrestlers is gone now.

I'm just deflated now with wrestling as the moment. I got NXT on right now, and typically I look forward to it, but I just can't get excited to watch it at all.

I'll probably watch a little while more, maybe still get the WWE Network for the backlog, but other than that I think I might be back to just checking in from time to time.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

SO Punk is gone, Batista/Orton is prolly the ME, and now Bryan faces Hunter at Mania.


Well the Holidays are well and truly over...

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Dave Meltzer is now reporting that Punk will be played by Hunico.