Brock Lesnar Retires From MMA *KEEP IT ALL IN HERE*

[bingaring]

So, I just finished watching the Lesnar vs. Overeem UFC fight. Lesnar was hit hard in the gut (liver) and was TKO'd halfway through the first round. During his post fight interview he said that he was officially announcing his retirement from MMA. He stated that he promised his wife, kids, and family that if he won he would make his next match (a title match) his last, but if he lost, this would be his last. He lost, and now he is officially retired from UFC, and apparently retired from MMA.

The fact is that Lesnar had several inches of his colon removed last year due to diverticulitis. He said tonight that the last couple of years have been incredibly hard due to the disease. You have to respect this man, and his accomplishments. This was not the Brock Lesnar that taunts fans tonight. He was subdued, apologetic, and appreciative. He congratulated Overeem after the bout, thanked the Fertitta Brothers and Dana White, and then said thank you to the fans.

I have to believe this is a legitimate retirement, unlike many others. I still think Brock is a beast, and in a straight out fight, I believe he could kick just about anyone's ass. Face it, not many people would be dumb enough to pick a fight with him, period. I think his reasoning is legit, and I think that his disease and the weakness in his gut (colon and intestines), not his literal gut, are what brought this retirement on. Brock is a fighter with an incredible amount of pride, and the fact that he can't compete at the top level anymore is his reason for walking away. I respect him for going out on top, or as close as could to on top.

So, the entire point of all of this is very simple. Brock will no longer be bound by a UFC contract, and will no longer be intensely training for heavyweight MMA bouts. Do you think there is any chance that Vince McMahon will offer Lesnar enough money that it would be impossible to refuse a Wrestlemania appearance. Last year we were teased with the idea that Brock Lesnar or Sting could possibly be Undertaker's opponent at Wrestlemania.

Is it possible that WWE could pull off an almost impossible feat and make Lesnar the person behind the 1-2-12 promos? Never say never. For the right money, I wouldn't discount it as possible. Lesnar doesn't need to return full time. All he needs to do is come back and say that he is reclaiming his spot at the top, and he wants one more match to prove it, and that will be against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

I know it is a stretch, but his retirement, and the timing of the 1-2-12 date seem to fall in place together very well. It is possible, but highly unlikely that a deal was already done, and Brock intends to finish in WWE. I would say the more likely scenario is that Brock will get a call from Vince McMahon himself with an offer that Brock simply won't be able to refuse. I think Lesnar may very well appear at Wrestlemania as a one time attraction. The only detraction for WWE is that his appearance could very well overshadow Rock vs. Cena, especially if it was against The Undertaker.

I am no smark, and I have no insider knowledge. I am simply a fan. I don't necessarily believe any of what I have said will happen, but it is possible, and as a fan, I will remain hopeful until April 2nd in Miami.

Please, tell me what you think.

BTW, to the OPS, I apologize for duplication. I posted before I realized the thread existed. I literally wrote and posted immediately after the match.

 

[sharu7]

The only detraction for WWE is that his appearance could very well overshadow Rock vs. Cena, especially if it was against The Undertaker.

I am no smark, and I have no insider knowledge. I am simply a fan. I don't necessarily believe any of what I have said will happen, but it is possible, and as a fan, I will remain hopeful until April 2nd in Miami.

Please, tell me what you think.

I don't know why you guys have to think its going to overshadow another match. NO ITS NOT. It'll get us consumers our moneys worth, something consumers thrive for. It would make us say money well spent.

It doesn't have to overshadow it...It won't it can be one of the many main events and make it the best wrestlemania ever.

Imagine
Lesnar Vs Taker
Cena Vs Rock
Jericho Vs Punk

And the rest....

It would be amazing, I don`t know why the fuck some people think its going to overshadow Cena Vs Rock....Its not fucking boxing where people buy PPVS for ONE match, Like Fuck.

 

[Twocenter]

If Brock lesnar were to come to WWE, Royal Rumble would be the best time. 1-2-12 are not for him because there is no chance in hell that Vince would know if Lesnar was going to retire from MMA. He will come to WWE sooner or later. He will heal his problem and get back for a light schedule. Don't use him on house shows just do Raw or Smackdown. It'd be better for him.

 

[Richard Blonoff]

I don't wanna sound like the elitist MMA fan but it will probably come off that way.

Brock had two serious bouts with a life threatening illness. He hates cameras and is a devoted family man. He says he hates the travel schedule of pro wrestling and would probably never go back to the full time life. Many people who watch MMA full time know he had a lot of issues with the cameras and interviews and things like that and always hated getting asked about his WWE days, almost like he was trying to distance himself from it

That said I do see him making occasional appearances and would welcome that.

 

[trashboy]

I do find it weird how that fight went down and how Lesnar was acting leading up to it. Maybe the 1/2/12 promos have been for Lesnar all along...But still, it would be hard for Lesnar to look badass after he just lost 2 UFC fights in a row...Hopefully he does return to WWE though because I'm a huge fan of the guy and he needs to be on tv.

After the fight, I thought the same thing. He just happens to retire from UFC right before 1-2-12. And plus, the promos have said something about "a powerful force," and to me that doesn't sound like Jericho at all. I'd love it if it were Jericho, but I'd mark out big time if it was Brock Lesnar. In fact, I hope it is Lesnar, just so everyone that swears up and down it's Jericho would look foolish.

 

[ITALIAN NYC]

Maybe he was going to retire win or lose. Just saying.

I had a feeling Brock was behind the 1-2-12 promos for a while, hope it happens.

He said post fight if he won, he was going to go for the title, and then retire win or lose. It makes monday even more exciting, but the chance that the promos were for him are 0

 

[LegendK1ller]

Those promos are not for Brock. Though Brock is retired that does not mean he is not under contract with the UFC. Brock is still under contract. His contract does not run out for awhile, until then, don't expect him to be on Raw.

 

[leydier]

Yeah, there's no way that those promos are intended for Brock. Although, I would mark out huge if they were. And secretly, I might be crossing my fingers for that; however, let's not get false hope; there's simply no possible way the promos were ever intended for Brock.

Personally, the way Jericho has been acting on twitter has made me question whether or not it will be him on Monday. If it is, I feel that he would have a lot of explaining to do as to why he was such a douche on twitter. Although this is the WWE and stranger things have happened, and I'm sure Jericho is acting that way hoping to alleviate all the internet gossip spoiling his return.

Here's the thing though, who else could be arriving on January 2nd, 2012? There's really nobody else except Jericho. LaBar said it perfectly on Triblive, nobody else is a prime candidate other than Jericho. Although one could argue with Brock retiring and not having any heart in the fight against Overeem, was it planned all along? There's the curveball to ponder over the next couple days.

Brock Lesnar will return at some point to WWE, I think he will take a much deserved rest, and recooperation. He will also probably need to freshen his ring skills, which could take months. I would suspect Lesnar would be more attracted to WWE now, as he knows that's where his popularity arose, and where a lot of his true fans are.

Lesnar's not a celebrity, he strikes me as a humble man, that doesn't necessarily want to be in the limelight. Therefore, I don't see a full time return, but defiantly a Wrestlemania apperance or something along those lines.

I'm a big Lesnar fan so let's hope it happens.

 

[Pedigree1]

Brock retiring from MMA competition does not surprise me at all!! Clearly brock no 1 hates to get hit for real!! No way can he win against any kind of good striker junior cain alistair carwin if he decided to come into shape!! As far as him returning to the WWE didnt he not too long ago rip the company apart?? If he does return to the E against who? Undertaker i think brock shouldnt earn that spot yet hes been gone for what almost 8 years? The promos maybe all along have been for him!!! I kinda feel sorry for him he has been through alot in this year and a half!! He looked like he wanted out tonight he looked slow and afraid!! I have never seen Brock look scared of anyone alistair is a fucking beast!!

 

[CrossRhodes]

I do think that Brock will come back for one last Wrestlemania match if the deal is good enough for him to want to be involved, but I am positive that he will not be returning for 1/2/12. My reasoning?

1. He will obviously be wanted some resting and healing time after his match he had, Do you think he will want to jump right back into WWE after a couple of days?

2. He does have children with Sable. He also will probably want to spend some time with them now that he is retired.

3. What is in it for him? Does he REALLY have any reasoning to come back for anything apart for a big Wrestlemania match?

Say he does return, Which I think is unlikely, Sable is not going to be the girl in the video. As I said they do have children and it would be very odd if they wen't into a company like this with a high schedule while they have kids to care for.

So Brock Lesnar WILL return. But later on in time. Maybe even as early as Wrestlemania 28.

 

[kor420]

Maybe he was going to retire win or lose. Just saying.

I had a feeling Brock was behind the 1-2-12 promos for a while, hope it happens.

Thats what he said after the fight that he was retiring even if he won and like you had an idea that brock was behind the 1-2-12 promos.. typical iwc response. Not trying to be an ass, i was waiting for someone to say that they knew that brock was behind 1-2-12 promos.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Well it kinda makes sense that it's Lesnar, he said that there's one more fight left in him, so does Taker.. So, maybe Taker v Lesnar for WM 28 (which is just a speculation).. But then again, people were saying Taker v Lesnar for WM 27 and looked what it turned out to be.. Brock looks for where he can make money, and at Wrestlemania, he could staple up what he wants.. Right now, this just makes Monday and NEW YEARS more exciting..

 

[trips22]

I think a lot of you guys have lost your minds if you ever were in your right mind in the first place. First off the promos aren't for Brock because if they were then think about how the gambling world would feel about Brock "losing" and then just coming back to WWE coinciding like that. I watched the fight and there is no way in hell that fight was rigged. He got his ass kicked period! Second, if I was Vince I wouldn't want Brock coming back right now as a dream he had is now over and it will take time for him to get over that. It has to hurt. I don't like Brock but I feel for him as I know that not being able to do what you love is hard to take. Third, I myself suffer from diverticulitis and although mine hasn't been bad enough to have the surgery to remove part of my colon I have been admitted twice to be fed via IV and given antibiotics via IV which make you extremely sick. diverticulitis is no fun and from what my doctor has told me eventually I will have to have a surgery to remove a portion of my colon and the worst part is that even removing part of the colon it can come back. Basically, you keep it for life. So that being said I am sure Brock will probably prefer to take it easy. He may show up again in the UFC or WWE at some point but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

 

[SPR*VLN]

Wait, look take Lesnars MMA record divide it by (blah!, blah!,blah!) you get 1-2-12 haha.

I understand some speculation that the 1-2-12 promos are Brock, but it shouldnt take a min to realize it isnt him. The odds of it being Lesnar is slim. If he won tonight there wouldnt be any talk. I highly doubt Brock just lost on purpose.

The promos are for someone else. I'm not saying its impossible, cuz anything is possible, but odds are it wont be Brock.

 

[Rising Savior]

I think you guys that are saying that the 1/2/12 promos are for Lesnar are crazy. If Lesnar would have beat Overeem he would have probably went on to face Junior Dos Santos for the ufc heavyweight title in a few months but that obviously didn't and won't be happening. Since coming back from that mysterious illness Lesnar suffered a couple of years ago he just hasn't been the same fighter that he was before. Obviously Lesnar can and probably will return to the wwe but right now I don't see any rush for him to just jump straight outta the octagon to the ring. If Lesnar returns to the wwe I don't expect to see him until at least a couple of months not like Lesnar needs the money or anything he got paid a good amount of cash during his time in the Ufc.

 

[Larry]

Well I'm glad that whole MMA charade is over, now we can get back to wrestling. Now you see what happens to people when they find out what it's really like to get hit. The reality and the dream are two entirely different things, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. This speaks to exactly why WWE wasn't such a bad deal for Brock Lesnar, he wasn't being publicly humiliated for his deficiencies, he was being built up for his attributes. So it seems an inevitable road that Brock will walk down leading him back to the WWE. In what capacity? Who knows.

I personally think if Lesnar was willing to put forth some real commitment to the company and they in-turn were flexible with his schedule, there is no reason Brock Lesnar at 34 years old couldn't stick around in the WWE for another 10+ years as an in-ring performer. He might even come to appreciate it and acquire a love for the business if things work a little differently. It's no secret that after his initial run in wrestling he developed a great distaste for it altogether. If the WWE were smart they would do their best to change his perception of the business and the WWE altogether, part of that would be having some flexibility which I'm sure they can accommodate him with.

Unlike many I am really not enthusiastic about a WM return to job out to the Undertaker. In fact, I am tired of everyone jobbing out to the Undertaker every year to defend "The Streak". Why not instead of having Lesnar come back for WrestleMania to lose to the Undertaker, you have him come back, break "the streak", let Mark Callaway ride off into the sunset for God sake finally, and place Lesnar back on top as your prize piece? This is considering he was willing to make a real commitment to the company this time.

He can still be the future of the company, he's not too old by any means. He'd have to bulk back up a bit I think, but he could easily come back to the WWE as the dominating shit kicker that he was before and carry that on for years to come. Look at Shawn Michaels from 2002-2011, Lesnar could work that same kind of schedule and be there "Full-Time" technically. He simply does more appearances than matches, and they reserve the matches mostly for PPV's. TV matches are negotiable, let's say there's 52 weeks in a year and thus 52 shows(for the example) maybe he can agree to 20 matches on TV and all the PPV's. Chalk it up to the tune of $1.5-3.5 million a year, that averages out to about 46,000 a match. Not Bad. The other option would be a 10 year $15 million dollar contract, and we're in there like swimwear.

 

[XXJJ]

Just read that Dana White said in his press conference that Brock retired but still remains under contract. And would only be free to go to another company if he and Brock can agree to terms.

So I do think he will probably come back to the WWE as a part-time wrestler. But I dont think it happens right away.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

If all the jizz in here amounted to babies, we'd call this thread China.

Everyone here should be excited and should not be let down even if it is Snitsky returning on Monday. The Road to WM is always exciting and Brock's sudden MMA (not UFC mind you) demise could be a exhibitional asset for WWE. God knows Dixie must pursing her snatch over this.

A WM match does seem likely, couldn't care less if he's behind the promos. But if he goes over a groomed, built talent like Punk in a one-off match, ugh.

 

[JJ15776]

A couple things.

First, obviously, the 1-2-12 promos are NOT for Brock Lesnar. If Brock had won the fight he was going to fight JDS for the Heavyweight title and then retire after that. And, no, he sure as hell didn't throw the fight tonight so he could leave. (but it was funny for Jericho to suggest it) And, no, the WWE would not have had a series of promos without being sure who it was for, or waiting until 3 days before the show to figure out who it would be for.

Second, slow the F down. Brock will NOT return full time. He didn't retire because he didn't want to be an MMA fighter anymore - he retired because he's been dealing with a VERY serious medical condition for more than two years and the WWE isn't going to be make that any easier than MMA was. He retired because he told his family he would. And let's remember that a big reason Brock left the WWE before was because of the travel, which is worse than it is in MMA (obviously), and he didn't like the travel when he didn't even have a family. He's damn sure not going to like it now.

But it is weird that this happened right after I posted in the Undertaker 20-0 thread that, if I could choose anybody, I'd pick Brock Lesnar...at the time that seemed pretty unrealistic, now it's quite possible. But I would add to what I said in that post, IF Brock agrees to return full time(which seems near impossible, but if...), then I would have him beat Undertaker. He's the one person, besides Cena, that has earned it but can still truly benefit from it...the benefit for him, of course, is re-establishing him as a threat in the ring.

I would absolutely love to see it happen more than anything. He's got a history with Undertaker, on screen and off. He's got more mainstream appeal than anybody not named The Rock, so he's going to bring in a lot of fans. And he solves the WWE's biggest problem, which I talked about at length in my Undertaker post, in that he's the most believable threat to the streak that's available since Cena already has a match. If I'm the WWE, I do whatever I can to bring him in for this match.

But, unfortunately, I don't see it happening this year. I don't think he's going to come right back to the WWE after this loss. WrestleMania 30 is a more realistic expectation, IMO.

 

[QBall111]

Well we know it's still not Lesnar for the 1/2/12 promos and at this time probably wouldn't be a good thing considering he had a horrible loss... I think crowd reaction would be 50/50 on it... But who knows... Vince has a plan for whoever is at 1/2 but after this retirement, Vince might take this as a golden opportunity.

 

[RKO920]

My first thought when Brock announced his retirement was he would be on Raw Monday night. But there's just no possible way Vince wouldn't go and do all this promotion for 1/2/12 without having a sure thing that this person was going to show up. If Brock won the fight he was 100% going after Dos Santos for the title and then retire after that fight. He will eventually make it back to the WWE, maybe Wrestlemania. But as for Monday its Jericho, his tweet was just deflecting the spotlight off of him and in another direction. I do think that it looked like Brock threw the fight, the reaction was delayed from when he was kicked to when he went down.

 

[BASSER911414]

Wow most of u are seriously the biggest dumbasses on this website.... Brock Lesnar is a sore loser in a sport where the skilled guy wins unlike pro wrestling. So he lost his second fight in a row. He got his ass handed to him BIG TIME in both. BIG DEAL... Swallow it up and try again.

I sincerely hope that brock lesnar does not return and start destroying every bit of talent in the wwe right now. Because that sure as shit is what will happen.

On another note. Lesnar was less than shit on the mic and only decent in the ring. Hes an amateur wrestler which is different than pro wrestling. Although i never really liked him compared to fighters like dos santos, mir, couture, carwin he was doing OK in the ufc.

That being said, 1/2/12. ARE U SERIOUS !!!!!!!!!!!!! Firstly maybe most of u havent noticed but those promos are way to dark to be lesnar and imo jericho either. Im 60% sure theyre for the undertaker... And what if lesnar won the fight ?? Then hed be going on the face junior dos santos for the heavyweight title. Then what was he magically supposed to appear on RAW while being under contract by dana white which he still is.

Im probably the only one who thinks he should stick with MMA. He was way better at it than pro wrestling. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt know shit about MMA or is plain out ******ed... Stick with MMA Brock. WWE is looking OK right now.

Im surprised people can hate the rock for leaving but not brock lesnar who was in the wwe for JUST 2 YEARS !!!!!! called the wwe fake (which i guess it is) and also filed a lawsuit against it. And lets not forget leaving without so much as a goodbye right after wrestlemania and participating in the crappiest match of all wrestlemanias.

Biased much ???

 

[Rayne]

I entirely expect to see Brock Lesnar perform again for the WWE, and the sooner the better for him. He's still a hot number right now, with a lot of people talking about him. He'll sell more tickets to this year's WrestleMania then he would next year. (Another thing I expect to see, is a post in the TNA section wondering if Brock will sign with TNA/IW now.)

He won't be the 1/2/12 person, because that would be about as clear a case of contractural tampering that you could find without Vince claiming "I tampered with Brock Lesnar's contract with the UFC". If any air of legitimacy were given to the idea that Lesnar took a dive against Overeem so that he could pursue WWE money, the backlash against UFC and the WWE would be ferocious. (Especially considering people bet on UFC as a competitive sport- why do you think they hold so many cards in Vegas?) I am sure that people here could make justifications- the kind that sound good to professional wrestling fans wanting to have a good excuse to have a person contracturally bound to one organization to appear in theirs- but there aren't any justifications that would fly in front of a judge.

The key factor here is in the retirement clause in Lesnar's contract, which none of us know. It's extremely unlikely that his contract is entirely voided in the event of his retirement. What's more likely is that his retirement triggers a sunset clause in his contract, agreeing that he won't perform for a competitor of UFC for (so many days). Then you'd have to answer the question of whether the UFC and the WWE are competition. Irony of ironies, the last time this question was settled also involved the UFC, the WWE, and Brock Lesnar, as the WWE wished to maintain their contractural hold over Lesnar after he had left their organization to attempt the NFL, but they would not expressly claim that they were in competition with the UFC. Without being able- or willing to say- that they were in competition with the UFC, they couldn't claim Lesnar was in violation of the no-compete clause in his WWE contract. (Shorter answer: Lesnar's UFC contract isn't over just because he said he's retired. Will the UFC cockblock the WWE in the same way the WWE had cockblocked the UFC? Stay tuned.)

 

[BTLion1990]

This is perfect. It works for the WWE on so many levels. If it is just a happy coincidence, the speculation could draw more fans to watch. If it was planned, then up until now, nobody saw it coming really, with the main speculation being Jericho and Taker, and we get Lesnar back.

Just like last year with Sting's contract negotiations with TNA, WWE have lucked out into happy coincidences such as this, and the ''Sting'' promos.

I personally still feel it's Y2J, but I guess we will all see Monday. Either way, whether it be Lesnar, Taker or Y2J, I can see all three possibly back for Mania or atleast 2/3.

 

[Dr. IaN]

Wow. I can see him coming to WWE, not this Monday though. The guy would need to relax before he goes back and starts doing stuff again, after all, he is quite a family man. I think he'll come back at a vocal point, maybe when Taker does his return promo. I don't think we'd be seeing him in the rumble though, that would crap considering someone would most likely eliminate him.