Another (less angry) TNA Rant (contains spoilers for March 3rd)

So bad in fact, the WWE was forced to turn a play-by-play guy heel. A fucking play-by-play guy got that much heat for..just being there. That's when you know you're fucking awful at what you do.

No, he's getting heat because he's a heel, and people boo heels unless you're a bad at being a heel.

He may not be a great PBP, but he's a great heel, and he's still in the position he's in because it's getting him all kinds of heat.
 
No, he's getting heat because he's a heel, and people boo heels unless you're a bad at being a heel.

I said he was turned heel because he was drawing heat. Heat that a guy in his position shouldn't be drawing in the first place. The only reason a play-by-play guy gets shat on is being terrible at what he does. The heat came before the turn, that's why they turned him.
 
I said he was turned heel because he was drawing heat. Heat that a guy in his position shouldn't be drawing in the first place. The only reason a play-by-play guy gets shat on is being terrible at what he does. The heat came before the turn, that's why they turned him.

He turned heel because of his obsession with The Miz on NXT, which I'm pretty sure wasn't meant to get to where it is today. Then he kept going with the anonymous GM angle, on top of his continuous obsession with The Miz.

If they wanted to capitalize on the reason he was getting heat, they'd make him become the next Mike Adamle.
 
He turned heel because of his obsession with The Miz on NXT, which I'm pretty sure wasn't meant to get to where it is today. Then he kept going with the anonymous GM angle, on top of his continuous obsession with The Miz.

It worked because he was already held in such low regard by most fans. I have been present at 3 PPV's and 1 episode of Raw over the last five years, and each time Cole makes his pre-show entrance, he's been boo'd out of the building. It started long before NXT, and if it hadn't, Cole wouldn't have been doing what he was doing with DB.
 
You've got to be kidding me Mozz, Cole was getting big heat LONG before NXT. And it wasn't because he was a heel. It was because the fans fucking hated him, before the heel turn, for his terrible commentary.

Enough with this revisionist history nonsense, he was turned heel to capitalize on the legit heat he already had as a commentator, not the other way around.
 
One thing about A.J. and/or Beer Money being overrated. I am not a big TNA mark at all. But I think A.J. has actually been getting better. In ring, he has always had it. But it seems he is getting a lot better on the mic. That is one thing I never thought would happen.

A lot of times when a guy is dubbed, "The Guy That Built So and So" they don't get any better. They continue to basically stay the same and try to use that as their building block, or reason they should be at the top in the first place.

But to my surprise, A.J. has gotten better on the mic. I really wonder if WWE would make him a joke or not. Part of me thinks he would go to WWE and do well. But then there is a part of me that also believes he would end up not being taken seriously and would never achieve anything until he left and returned to ROH (If TNA folded, that is).

I had the misfortune of turning TNA on last night an the AJ Flair confrontation was just plain awful. Why didn't AJ just put a chair through Hernandez the first time so he could beat Flair till he stroked out. Man Flair looks bad an everytime I see him he is a bloody mess, I think that he left the WWE so he could keep cutting himself. Doesn't he know that he can do that in the privacy of his own home? Course there he wouldn't have 15 people paying to see it. He isn't too far out from the home.
 
I've been echoing these sentiments exactly for a while now (not as intensely, though, I might add). It's WCW all over again, with a smaller roster and one show. I cannot believe, for the life of me, that there are people that still don't see it.

The main storylines contain too many already established stars that would be better off utilized very sparingly? Check. The main storylines being the ones mired in incoherency, chaos, and flat out stupidity? Check. Taking something that doesn't work and running it too long and beating it to death while something that could work changes in a week's time? Check.

How about the fact that it's all about an attempt at one, big "at that moment" pop w/no substance? I mean, if they do hit on something that could lead into better business, they don't go with it, they just seem to sit back and say "Awesome! They popped for that! Now what can I do next to "surprise, shock and awe" to get another quick, cheap pop?" It's almost like there is no thought to what happens after. They want something now, and if they do get a small "something" they want to immediately jump into something totally different and leave that thing hanging.

On a side note, Crimson was awesome. But they'll drop the ball w/him. I remember reading what's different about him and Morgan? Watch Morgan's punches. He is definitely very lackluster in believable offense. I've thought it before, but yesterday was horrible.

What are the things that TNA points to most? The talent. Certain guys that put forth a great match. Most of them, just like the WCW counterparts, are filler matches though, and don't have much to do with the main focus (save Fortune). Can they not focus on the product as a whole? Can they not have two or three compelling storylines for upper and mid-card and even lower card? No, because that would mean people might take notice of other talent besides the ones w/the biggest egos. Hence my moniker of the 3 egos of doom (sure, there's one or two more, but that refers to the biggest 3. Jarrett's number 4.)

I can see the appeal of some aspects of TNA, I really can. It's not like I don't like certain aspects of it myself. But that doesn't mean I'm blind to what's going on or the fact that what I like usually is secondary to the convoluted bullshit that they spew on a weekly basis. Am I wrong for wanting them to put out a better product instead of tolerating what they do pander? Hell, no I'm not. And that's what a lot of the TNA defenders (not all) don't seem to get. I was reading the thread about 3-3-11 with the banter between newer additions to the forum and it made my damn head hurt. It amazed me that people could make points and not curse, swear, or insult, and then the rebuttal would be "Oh, yeah! Fuck you! That's right! TNA, baby! We rule, we got Sting! Fuck WWE, fuck their fans, fuck the ones that even like both products! It's TNA, all or nothing!" and so on, and so on, and so on...

For fuck's sake, is a simple thought process so hard to have w/out throwing out grade school insults, pointing and laughing, or just backing up your reasons w/out filler garbage trying to push buttons? That's one thing I don't get. There are some good posters that actually put thought into their defense, opinion, or whatever, but I see a lot of defensiveness.

And that's just what it is, defensiveness. They are defensive, just like TNA itself is defensive. I can just see Bischoff or Russo or Hogan talking to somebody saying "What are you talking about? TNA's the best! No, fuck WWE!" and then the person talking to them says back "But, um, I asked you why you continue to over-promote and do things that doesn't take the company to the next level. I didn't say anything about WWE..."

So, yeah, the thing is that people are taking offense to "wrestling fans". Not TNA fans, not WWE fans, wrestling fans that are passionate about the product, mostly their whole life, and just want a little more attention given to the product/sport that they love. Is it too much to ask for some improvements? Of course not. There are things that I would like to see tweaked in WWE also, but for the most part they are doing exactly what they need to do w/their current direction and product goals. Is everybody happy w/it? No, but it's working more than TNA's direction.

I don't mind the PG era in WWE. It makes it more family accessible, and that's what got the mainstream WWF professional wrestling ball rolling back in the 80's. Is there a market for a family oriented product and an edgier one? Sure there is. The problem is not about being more edgy, say PG-13 or TV-14 or whatever, the problem is the manner in which the product is delivered. The creative aspect is not there. If it was there, it could very well work. Don't go too far, but don't do too little.

Don't over-promote yourself because that just shows you're begging for people to look at you. It's the equivalent of somebody sitting in the cafeteria at lunch, sticking a spoon on their nose, and yelling "Hey! Hey! Hey, everybody, look at me! I'm funny, huh? This is funny, isn't it? Isn't this funny?" Sure, you'll get a chuckle or two, but the majority of people will think you're an idiot and you're starved for attention.

I like certain things about TNA. Mostly talent-wise. The members of Fortune, Anderson (mostly. Something about him lately has been making me wonder though), Gen Me, MCMG, Crimson, hell, even Eric Young and O.J. aren't too bad of a Santino/Kozlov comedy thing (although they're not booked properly. They could use polishing too. And no, polishing is not a pun aimed at Orlando). The problem is the stories, sometimes the storytelling, and the lack of consistency. At least there's kind of a flow to WWE.

I think I'd better stop now. Definitely overstayed my welcome in this post and rambled way too long. But I think you get my point.

I know, I know TL;DR Good thing I spaced it out. lol
 
You've got to be kidding me Mozz, Cole was getting big heat LONG before NXT. And it wasn't because he was a heel. It was because the fans fucking hated him, before the heel turn, for his terrible commentary.

Enough with this revisionist history nonsense, he was turned heel to capitalize on the legit heat he already had as a commentator, not the other way around.

It's not revisionist history man, it's just things that I noticed (or thought I noticed) while watching wrestling over the past 11 or so years. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I never noticed Cole getting booed for any reason while he was strictly doing PBP before NXT. I've never heard him get booed at live events either, but maybe that's just Miami/Ft. Lauderdale. If he has, then fine, I'm not going to sit here and say you're wrong. It's just something I haven't personally noticed.

And if he WAS getting booed because his commentary was awful, why capitalize on that heat by doing something completely different with it? Shitting on Daniel Bryan, being obsessed with the Miz, and being a dick to King has nothing to do with why you guys are saying he got heat in the first place.
 
Why Cole sucks. In the past, it was because he was an overselling screw-up who was apparently blind because he's never seen anything before. Today, because HE DOESN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP. I get it. He's a heel. People say Cena was shoved down people's throats. Well watch Cole shove himself down your throat. 2 hours a day, 2 to 3 times a week.

Say it with me. OVERKILL.
 
And if he WAS getting booed because his commentary was awful, why capitalize on that heat by doing something completely different with it? Shitting on Daniel Bryan, being obsessed with the Miz, and being a dick to King has nothing to do with why you guys are saying he got heat in the first place.

Why do it? To justify the heat. The other alternative would be to get rid of him, I guess. He's just not very good, he wasn't the slightest bit entertaining before this, etc. If he's already a heat magnet, why not move forward with it? I think it's kind of pathetic, but unless you'e going to fire him, why not use what's already there?
 
Can anyone actually point out anywhere that says there's even a play-by-play guy on Raw? They don't advertise him as one. They don't even use the term anywhere on their webpage for Cole. I'm lost as to how you guys keep sticking to that point when it's entirely irrelevant.
 
Why Cole sucks. In the past, it was because he was an overselling screw-up who was apparently blind because he's never seen anything before. Today, because HE DOESN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP. I get it. He's a heel. People say Cena was shoved down people's throats. Well watch Cole shove himself down your throat. 2 hours a day, 2 to 3 times a week.

Say it with me. OVERKILL.

Cole's overexposure is one of the worst things about WWE's commentary right now. If they are gonna have someone that shits on everything then at least have someone to counteract that and the only person close to that is Booker T.
Also the worst thing about Cole is that he actually exposes peoples weaknesses live such as poor mic skills which should NOT be done ever.
 
DirtyJosé;2886470 said:
Can anyone actually point out anywhere that says there's even a play-by-play guy on Raw? They don't advertise him as one. They don't even use the term anywhere on their webpage for Cole. I'm lost as to how you guys keep sticking to that point when it's entirely irrelevant.

I'm confused as to who you're agreeing with here? Or if you're agreeing with anyone at all.
 
Not taking a side. I dig Cole's thing, but I can get why others don't. I just keep seeing the "play-by-play" thing come up, and for the last year I've never gotten an answer why.
 
DirtyJosé;2886687 said:
I dig Cole's thing, but I can get why others don't.

I dig it too, kind of. It's made Cole more interesting than I ever imagined he could be. That's not to say he's not terribly annoying, but it works.

DirtyJosé;2886687 said:
I just keep seeing the "play-by-play" thing come up, and for the last year I've never gotten an answer why.

He took the seat of Jim Ross, that's why. On Smackdown, he's an analyst. But on Raw, unless Lawler leaves and Matthews comes in, he's still the PBP guy.
 
But that's our expectation of him, not the reality. He isn't referred to as one. They dropped the title after JR left, as they've clearly wanted to take the announcers in a different direction. On Smackdown, his title is Lead Announcer, not analyst or pbp. I'm not saying that missing dedicated PBP is or isn't a good/bad thing, I'm just asking why people keep projecting a role on to him that isn't actually his at all.
 
One of the biggest reasons I hate Cole back in 2005/6 was when anything relatively surprising happened, he'd scream OH MYYYY at the top of his lungs like a pasty white Sulu
 
So a thread entitled Another (less angry) TNA Rant (contains spoilers for March 3rd) has suddenly become a thread all about Michael Cole. That man draws heat.

Also, Michael Cole's comments about Jerry's mother aren't that bad at all, especially having lived through the Bossman/Show feud and SmackDown circa 2006.
 
I know we've moved on but Mr. 50-posts-a-page here has something he wants to say. Both Vickie and Cole's heel heat seem to be primarily based on repeating an annoying catchphrase and, as such, they perhaps shouldn't be as revered as the master heels that they often are.
 
The 3/3/11 video on youtube is a damn battlefield. It has comments such as:
Coarse Language ahead BTW.

You guys got the Rock until Wrestlemania and his new promos are boring and watered down versions of the classics. You got Booker T doing wrestlings worst commentry in wrestling history, Kevin Nash was a one nighter

TNA > WWE !!! And it's not gonna go anywhere, anytime soon. Learn to fuckin' love it!!!! To all the TNA haters out there: Grow up or continue to watch this PG-shit. Let's face it. TNA is here to stay.

3/311 is just fucking ridiculous, shows how TNA cant make something original themselves & there creative team is a bunch of 5th graders/years. They always have to copy WWE, Bash on WWE, Be Jealous on WWE.

Its true, WWE dont mention TNA. thats how professional & mature WWE are.

My personal favourite:

3.3.11= BULLSHIT. GET SOME ORIGINAL SHIT YOU DUMB ASSES. ARE YOU THAT DESPERATE TO GET VIEWERS? LOOKS LIKE 541PEOPLE WON'T BE WATCHING TNA THIS THURSDAY. BUNCH. OF. BULL. SHIT. FUCK YOU TNA! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU HOGAN! FUCK YOU BITCHOFF! AND FUCK YOU RUSSO FOR BEING A STUPID ASS FUCK! NO WONDER TNA IS GOING DOWN. R.I.P TNA. R.I.P
 
TNA > WWE !!! And it's not gonna go anywhere, anytime soon. Learn to fuckin' love it!!!! To all the TNA haters out there: Grow up or continue to watch this PG-shit. Let's face it. TNA is here to stay.

Somebody should take Bischoff's YouTube account away.
 

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