Uncle Phatso
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I can just see him now with his red hair slicked back clubbing paparazzi yelling "Eh Fella".
Another (less angry) TNA Rant (contains spoilers for March 3rd)
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I can just see him now with his red hair slicked back clubbing paparazzi yelling "Eh Fella".
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Or worse yet, Hardy/Sting/Anderson at LD with Hardy of all people going over clean.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Only 5%? In the week leading up to 2/21, I agree only a small percentage of morons still believed Sting was going to show up. But, after the first video was shown back on January 31st, I think that number was probably higher.
Yeah. I think it was about 99.9% to be exact. Booker and Nash showing up didn't help ease minds either.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Shush, guys. It's a rant.
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Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Among general fans? I don't think it was very high among those who don't check the internet sites, but I'm sure it was higher than 5% at the height of the mystery.
DirtyJosé;2885095 said:
Right on. I actually agree with nearly all of what he said.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Really? I'm thinking no. Why in the world would it be Sting? How many people knew he was in TNA, left TNA? How many people knew Taker was gone from WWE? How many people knew that it was a Johnny Cash song that was used in Taker vs. Shawn videos last year? How many people knew it was talking about a grave which Taker was last seen going into? How many people knew that it was Taker when they showed his chest?
See what I mean? There were reasons to think it was Taker. Sting was circumstantial at best and no one ever offically said it was even a possibility.
See what I mean? There were reasons to think it was Taker. Sting was circumstantial at best and no one ever offically said it was even a possibility.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Why would it be The Undertaker? After watching that video a few times, Taker popped into my head, but it didn't make sense to me. First of all, he wasn't a Raw superstar, and he had a ready-made feud waiting for him with Wade Barrett on Smackdown. When Taker makes his semi-annual return (in the last few years, anyway), it's usually the same thing, not much variety. *Lights go out, lightning strikes, bells ring, etc.*
With WrestleMania right around the corner and its being in Atlanta, I thought Sting was at least a possibility. And judging by the activity on this forum, I wasn't alone. Vince wanted a big name, and Sting fits that bill. Not to mention the black trenchcoat and black boots
I've used this example before, and I'll use it again; after watching Bret Hart return to Raw just over a year ago, anything is possible, including Sting joining WWE.
He was, and I think people were getting carried away, especially after the Johnny Cash song, not mention actually seeing Taker in the third video.
Also, keep in mind I said the number was larger than 5% right after the first video, not the second or third.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
The coat, Wrestlemania time, he comes back every year, the grave stuff, the western looking theme, he's been gone awhile, he's had return videos before etc.
Neither is Alberto and how many Raws in a row has he been on?
If WWE can make Edge and Christian stop being brothers and can let Orton and Cena be the Superfriends after Orton repeatedly tried to murder Cena, I think forgetting Barrett for a few months is ok.
What better time to change it up than when it gets predictable?
Possible and realistic are two different things.
This forum represents a strange group of people that aren't the average WWE fan. Also the majority of the people here aren't that smart.
Vince wanted a big name, and Sting fits that bill. Not to mention the black trenchcoat and black boots
So does Taker.
Yep I said taht already.
And before the first one.
We've been after the first video for weeks. That tape was made at the latest after the second video. WWE fans already knew it wasn't Sting. The rational ones at least.
Pepe Silvia
Occasional Pre-Show
DirtyJosé;2885095 said:
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Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Come on KB, you know what I meant. He's been on Smackdown for years now, and he didn't have an already set feud waiting for him on Raw. Last time we saw him, Barrett and Nexus buried him.
I'm not saying WWE is doing anything wrong, that wasn't my point. I'm not talking about continuity. The first video didn't seem to fit the mold of a recent Taker return.
Fine, great. Change it up, I love it. But thinking this could have been Sting, a big debut and all, is not stupid.
True, but I'm guessing a rather large amount of fans at least know about the main page (or sites like this one) and saw the speculation.
Again, I had good reason to believe it might not be Taker.
It really wasn't crazy to think Sting was a possibility, that's all I'm saying. And with speculation running wild, on every wrestling website known to man, I think more than 5% of fans thought it was possible.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
And Nexus is on Raw right? Also, where would you have Taker return? Raw or Smackdown, if you wanted the bigger audience?
The fact that he's had enough returns to warrant having a recent period of them would indicate to me that he's likely going to have a big return.
After about the second video, yes it would have been stupid. By the time the actual return happened, only those people that think fish can be used as hats would think that.
And I'd guess the vast majority of fans go to WWE.com and that more or less ends their wrestling interest on the internet.
Most of those sites were moronic as hell.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
I want a fish hat.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Because he is.
How? I have yet to see him actually make a point in an argument beyond "well, the other company does it, so it must be OK!"
That doesn't fucking excuse TNA for doing it! If it was stupid when other companies did something bad for no reason, why the hell would it not be stupid when they do it? And for that matter, why does TNA seem to be using stories and ideas that failed before, and failed badly, I might add?
Oh, I know! Because Hogan and Bischoff seem to think that they can do any story better than anyone else, even if the story was a miserable pile of crap. Which leads back to the "WWE did it before so it's OK" defence. No, it's not OK, because it sucked when they did it. Why anyone thinks it'll be different this time is beyond me.
And while I'm at it, why is it that almost every TNA fan in the LDs use the "if you don't like it, don't watch it" line?! THAT'S NOT A FUCKING EXCUSE EITHER! Don't automatically assume that we'll hate anything TNA puts out! Assume that we hate it because it fucking sucks! Then actually come up with a proper fucking defence for why your product is sucking! And furthermore, if people actually listened to that idea, then TNA would be in the shithole! Less people watching means less money made, which would eventually lead to TNA going out of business. Kind of goes against what these fans want.
And now I await the "blind troll" remarks in place of an actual argument.
That doesn't fucking excuse TNA for doing it! If it was stupid when other companies did something bad for no reason, why the hell would it not be stupid when they do it? And for that matter, why does TNA seem to be using stories and ideas that failed before, and failed badly, I might add?
Oh, I know! Because Hogan and Bischoff seem to think that they can do any story better than anyone else, even if the story was a miserable pile of crap. Which leads back to the "WWE did it before so it's OK" defence. No, it's not OK, because it sucked when they did it. Why anyone thinks it'll be different this time is beyond me.
And while I'm at it, why is it that almost every TNA fan in the LDs use the "if you don't like it, don't watch it" line?! THAT'S NOT A FUCKING EXCUSE EITHER! Don't automatically assume that we'll hate anything TNA puts out! Assume that we hate it because it fucking sucks! Then actually come up with a proper fucking defence for why your product is sucking! And furthermore, if people actually listened to that idea, then TNA would be in the shithole! Less people watching means less money made, which would eventually lead to TNA going out of business. Kind of goes against what these fans want.
And now I await the "blind troll" remarks in place of an actual argument.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Got to admit I'm one of the fucking morons; I really thought he was coming to WWE. But given the way things went, I wonder whether Sting wasn't in negotiations with both companies up until the last minute. After all, if TNA had him signed, why wouldn't they blow WWE's 2-21-11 boat out of the water by telling everyone that Sting wasn't going to Vince-land? Maybe TNA was being smart (for once) and not making any announcements until they had Sting's signature on the contract.
Or maybe Steve Borden told TNA he'd sign with them only if they instantly make him their champion.
But no; TNA wouldn't agree to that, would they?
KB is right in that regard; everyone on the roster got shoved down a notch in a nod to the AARP.
Weirdly, that thought actually went through my head. Then I saw this:
It's like what happened 14 years ago, but worse. Genius.
Why is it so hard to believe that some people are so sick of WWE that they'll stick to something else? While I admit to liking some aspects of WWE like Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk and at times The Miz, I can't stomach full episodes. And these days, Michael Cole doesn't help. At all. Enter TNA. The other televised wrestling company with a rather unique set of younger stars and some of the old figures you grew up with and wondered where the hell they went. Ah, and the Hardy Bros.
People always want to think TNA's not making a profit. They just sold out a TV event this week. Without giving off free tickets. That's the opposite of what happened to WCW. TNA is in fact growing. Yes, the behavior may be chaotic, but to say it's as chaotic and inmate ran as WCW is pretty far off.
So TNA makes some dumb decisions on a monthly basis. Meanwhile WWE gives us underwhelming feuds, pushes cut short and 2/21/11. All while getting a bone like The Rock thrown once in a while. Face it. WWE is shit. So is TNA. And so is the rest of the wrestling biz.
But I'm not gonna sit here and watch you bitch and moan about what fans like. I can like whatever the fuck I want and I don't need you criticizing me for it. You think TNA's shit, fine. But pointing to it's fans because you have nothing constructive to say and just feel like being a "jerk" (failing at it too), you can just kiss my hairy ass. I've always felt like criticizing WWE fans for pretty much jizzing at such stupid things as Michael Cole's character, The Nexus, Sheamus and Wade Barrett, but I refrain from it. Because I ain't daddy to tell them what to like and what not to like.
You clearly misunderstood. I wasn't calling out TNA fans for liking their product, I was calling them out for not properly defending it when needed. And I wasn't even calling out all TNA fans, just the ones that can't seem to come up with a proper defence.
You prefer TNA over WWE? Fine, whatever, but if I call you out on some part of it that I think was awful, then give your own thoughts on the actual matter at hand. If you think that part was bad too, say so. If not, explain why you think it wasn't and let's discuss it. Don't hide behind bad excuses like "WWE does it too".
Let me give you an example. You mentioned Michael Cole as a reason why you hate WWE. For the record, I agree with you. I find Cole to just be incredibly annoying and not interesting at all. It's actually a similar problem I have with Vickie Guerrero. I don't find either of them to be unique heels in any regard, but just purposely annoying. It's like Vince has forgotten how to make a proper heel that doesn't wrestle, and instead relies on cheap heat to make these people hated. Yes, they get booed, but maybe fans are just sick of the character and want them off their TV. It's why I mute my TV whenever I watch RAW now, just so I don't have to listen to Cole.
Another example is with the 2/21/11 thing. I agree with you, it was disappointing. However, I think that's more the fault of the fans than WWE. They were the ones to pick apart an obvious video, thinking that there was something new and that maybe Sting was going to show up. When I first saw that video, the first thought I had was "Undertaker". Wrestlemania is coming up, he hasn't been seen in a while, the video was predictably creepy. It just had Undertaker written all over it, and the fans got worked up over something completely different. Should Triple H have come back at the same time and "challenge" Undertaker? No, but again, it's more the fault of the fans for expecting something else entirely.
See? I took two points you gave me and gave my thoughts on them. In one case I agreed with you, and the other I slightly disagreed, and I explained why. Why is that so much to ask?
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Why does anyone need to defend why they enjoy something? Most all of you take this shit way too seriously. It's a fucking show.
Serious Mozzarella
Special Victims Unit
You know, I get what you're trying to say.
Really, I do. You think Cole and Vickie are uninteresting and not-unique? Fine. I can live that.
But you people who bag on Cole and Vickie all the time completely miss the point of what a heel is supposed to be. They're supposed to annoy you and make you hate them, and the best way to do that, is to do exactly what they're doing right now. And it's working.
If you find them annoying, then they are doing their jobs.
Heels aren't supposed to be like Randy Orton, who has a hard time getting heat, or Kane, who also had a hard time getting heat. They're supposed to get booed out of the fucking building, kind of like Vickie and Cole. The days of the "cool heel" are over, man.
Personally, I find it more of a problem that someone like CM Punk, Nexus, or Alberto Del Rio can't generate more heat then Cole or Vickie.
The modern heel has to rely on a simple formula in order to generate an absolute minimal amount of heat, JUST so the viewer knows who the good guy and the bad guy is.
1. Have an ego.
2. Insult the fans
3. Cheat
I don't know why people hate Cole and Vickie. They don't rely on a tired, old formula and because of that, they respectively get more heat than every heel on the roster combined. And people see this as a bad thing, and it baffles me.
