klunderbunker
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I tend to go with their primes (which can be very debatable) but there's no rule saying otherwise.
2016 WrestleZone Tournament Live Draw
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I tend to go with their primes (which can be very debatable) but there's no rule saying otherwise.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
No. No it didn't. Embarrassing is the Mountie defeating someone to win the tournament. Shawn Michaels is one of the best of all time and has won this thing before, twice beating Brock before. It was not an embarrassment, no matter how much you've built it up in your mind and been offended by it.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Moment of brilliance here.....
Why not conscript some people to help? Per region or some such?
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Well it was, and the majority of us agreed on that, including you admitting you wouldn't like it were you not the perpetrator.
But what's done is done. Let's figure out the best way to do this. I think returning it to an air of seriousness instead of it being a source of people jacking off is a good start. I mean that towards anyone who feels the shoe fits, not really you specifically
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
That's starting next year. We're at least making things simpler.
Indeed.
Indeed the sequel.
Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
Embarrassment would be doing the list, dropping four off the list who made it in and then dropping someone 88 places.
But you wouldn't do that, would you?
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
the torches and pitchforks are out living their usefullness.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
No I get it.
But now it's down to you and others saying he did it on purpose, and him claiming it was mere fuck up due to overwelming numbers.
There is no next step. It's bound to go round in circles now.
But now it's down to you and others saying he did it on purpose, and him claiming it was mere fuck up due to overwelming numbers.
There is no next step. It's bound to go round in circles now.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Honestly, I want the tournament to work, be good and be fair.
If you used a spreadsheet, it wouldn't make it harder to make the seed, it would make it harder to make all the threads but the seed is no more difficult than collating the lists for this tournament. It makes the middle of the bracket more interesting and the outside of the bracket more boring. It's a compromise either way really
Unfortunately, your behaviour last year has led to this conclusion being much easier to draw. Like I said in like January or whatever, I don't care that Michaels won, I like him more than Lesnar and in truth would have probably voted for him had I not seen what you were up to. It's not the result that grates, it's how it was achieved and I think you know that.
I'm happy to accept that you didn't do it on purpose this year but the main criticisms people had were:-
Perfect is too low
Goldust is too high
Richards shouldn't be in it
There's a bias towards the recent history
The first is your fault, along with Boss Man being too high, Triple H too low and everyone else being off by a bit. I accept this was a mistake, but you should probably admit that here.
I've explained why Goldust is where he is earlier.
Stevie is on Lee and him being low on mine and Sam's list. He has given his reasons, but if you want to avoid this kind of thing, only accept wrestlers named by 5 people.
The bias thing is a combination of factors - Gelgarin didn't submit a list, for which you know why, you don't appear to have used Echelon's and we had a long conversation in the All Stars where the consensus was to move away from old school. I should say that I also forgot to put Antonino Rocca on my list and he would have also got in if I did. You also didn't include the Road Warriors and Stan Hansen despite them having more than enough votes, another simple mistake I'm sure, but again this is a combination of factors.
What I'm saying and have been saying is that you are as responsible or more responsible for some of the things that people are complaining about that and I think you should take your fair share of the blame rather than blaming us. It felt a bit like a vendetta for being the ones who were so vocal after last year's fiasco.
I was quick to accuse you of malice this time around, but equally quick to retract that. In truth Sam and particularly Lee have probably gone a bit overly defensive - something I've said to both of them in private - but your attitude isn't helping and I think you owe it to the participants to admit your errors in the set up here rather than scapegoating the list givers.
Ultimately we all want the tournament to be a success, but that is far more likely to happen if people are respectful and admit their culpability rather than pointing fingers, and that includes both sides of the argument.
If you used a spreadsheet, it wouldn't make it harder to make the seed, it would make it harder to make all the threads but the seed is no more difficult than collating the lists for this tournament. It makes the middle of the bracket more interesting and the outside of the bracket more boring. It's a compromise either way really
Unfortunately, your behaviour last year has led to this conclusion being much easier to draw. Like I said in like January or whatever, I don't care that Michaels won, I like him more than Lesnar and in truth would have probably voted for him had I not seen what you were up to. It's not the result that grates, it's how it was achieved and I think you know that.
I'm happy to accept that you didn't do it on purpose this year but the main criticisms people had were:-
Perfect is too low
Goldust is too high
Richards shouldn't be in it
There's a bias towards the recent history
The first is your fault, along with Boss Man being too high, Triple H too low and everyone else being off by a bit. I accept this was a mistake, but you should probably admit that here.
I've explained why Goldust is where he is earlier.
Stevie is on Lee and him being low on mine and Sam's list. He has given his reasons, but if you want to avoid this kind of thing, only accept wrestlers named by 5 people.
The bias thing is a combination of factors - Gelgarin didn't submit a list, for which you know why, you don't appear to have used Echelon's and we had a long conversation in the All Stars where the consensus was to move away from old school. I should say that I also forgot to put Antonino Rocca on my list and he would have also got in if I did. You also didn't include the Road Warriors and Stan Hansen despite them having more than enough votes, another simple mistake I'm sure, but again this is a combination of factors.
What I'm saying and have been saying is that you are as responsible or more responsible for some of the things that people are complaining about that and I think you should take your fair share of the blame rather than blaming us. It felt a bit like a vendetta for being the ones who were so vocal after last year's fiasco.
I was quick to accuse you of malice this time around, but equally quick to retract that. In truth Sam and particularly Lee have probably gone a bit overly defensive - something I've said to both of them in private - but your attitude isn't helping and I think you owe it to the participants to admit your errors in the set up here rather than scapegoating the list givers.
Ultimately we all want the tournament to be a success, but that is far more likely to happen if people are respectful and admit their culpability rather than pointing fingers, and that includes both sides of the argument.
Jeff Deliverer of Mail
Money for nothin, chicks for free
This is my first experience in the tourney. I had it come down to Stone Cold Steve Austin vs The Immortal Hulk Hogan. With Hogan winning, now that is The 80's Immortal Hulk Hogan right? If it is then it's correct as he was pretty unbeatable in those times. The tournament churned up some good matches along the way for me, Flair made it far and I sat there with a Bret Hart vs HBK match, I wanted to pick Bret but HBK advanced.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
I agree.
I'm also not going to have anything else to do with the rest of this, period.
This is actually not a bad idea. Or, if there's only 115 on 5 lists, then go with the top guys who appeared on 4, and so on.
It's based on whatever you want it to be based on. Regarding Hogan, since you named him as an example, most people do use his time in WWF to base their arguments. Some use his '95-'98 run as Hollywood Hogan and the politics he played. It all depends on what you want to base it on, and how you argue it against the rest of the forums.
Jeff Deliverer of Mail
Money for nothin, chicks for free
Omg lol. PN News.
The only fat rapper guy that had his theme music playing while he did his special move. So lame.Omg lol. PN News.
New Jack is strangely similar...
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
???
Brotha.
The torunament is a full forum debate with voting. Sorta like the EOY awards. The matches havent been put up yet.
This is on me lol Jeff is fairly new to the forums, and is mostly active in the e-fed. I just broke it down for him there.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
The tournament hasn't started yet. The predictions are just part of the appetizers along with the campaigns and the bracket analyses.
When do these start? It's been a few years since I've been active this time of year lol
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
In KB's defense, he just had his American wedding this weekend, so that could be the cause for the delay.
Jeff Deliverer of Mail
Money for nothin, chicks for free
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
Don't make me come back. Don't you dare do it.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
Douche. I'm going to put cat food under the guest bed next time you come over to ensure Motley keeps you awake the entire night.
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