10 years on Montreal Screwjob

[Vince11]

Didn't Bret fuck up Michaels AND McMahon backstage? I know he hit McMahon but there was a big rumor about him and HBK getting into it.

Shawn's a prick. He straight up disrespected Hart. As did McMahon, as did Hebner.

I guess HHH did too, but I don't know the whole story because I wasn't too big into wrestling back then. So why is HHH brought into it?

 

[Slim Pickns]

Didn't Bret fuck up Michaels AND McMahon backstage? I know he hit McMahon but there was a big rumor about him and HBK getting into it.

Shawn's a prick. He straight up disrespected Hart. As did McMahon, as did Hebner.

I guess HHH did too, but I don't know the whole story because I wasn't too big into wrestling back then. So why is HHH brought into it?

You can go on youtube and see a few backstage videos from right after the screwjob. HHH was there because he is best friends with Michaels. I don't believe there is any truth to Hart hitting Michaels, though he did deck McMahon (not shown in the video). I would highly recommend you check it out anyways.

I have read the whole Dave Meltzer report like 100 times, watched Bret's interview on his side of the story, and watched Shawn and Vince's side. The only thing I don't understand is why Vince couldn't have Bret lose the belt to someone on RAW (Undertaker?) the next night or even a week after that. Bret's WCW contract didn't start until December 1st and WCW said they would push it back until the 8th so that Bret could drop the belt. That seemed fair to me, but I think Vince had this planned out for a while and was never going to change his mind.

I do believe that Vince also insisted that the fued be with Shawn simply because he knew Shawn would do it while someone like Taker would not.

 

[Emmet]

Bret states in his book that he and HBK had a bit of a hair grabbing fight a few weeks after the 'sunny days' comment in mid 1997. Bret says that he gave shawn one punch and then grabbed his hair and swung him around the dressing room, with no one standing up for HBK because none of them liked him.

HBK was a moron, Bottom line. Bret had every major player in his corner towards the end of his WWF Career. Austin, Taker, Shamrock, Rock, Foley etc. They all respected Bret. none of them respected HBK.

 

[hbk&triple h]

This could be argued for hours upon hours but I truly think it all goes to Vince on this one.

He basically was telling Bret to leave because of his age. Sure that is pretty messed up but Vince did what he wanted to do.

As of blaming this on Shawn, I don't think it was his fault.Sure he did some bad things and was only concerned about himself I don't think this was his fault.I just think he was happy with his job and wanted to keep it.Just like Paul said Vince knew Shawn would do it.But does that make him responsible?

No.It just makes him someone involved.Doesn't make him the mastermind because he clearly did not come up with the idea.

And for people saying he could still be around today, he had a stroke.That made it clearly unimaginable for a Bret Hart return. And maybe he could have dropped it the next night.

But to who? It probably would have went to Shawn anyways. They were planning for Austin to win at Wrestlemania and who better to win it from than the biggest heel.Why Undertaker?

If Steve were to win at Wrestlemania there would be no 15-0 streak.

 

[acma18]

Most of the guys respected shawn in the ring, at that point in his career, he didn't care how they felt about him outside of the ring.

I definitely don't understand how some people blame shawn more than they blame vince or even bret for that matter. What should he have done exactly? Bret would not lose because they were in Canada(which is bogus within itself) and because he was facing Shawn. It was personal both ways. He could have refused to do it, but that could have hurt his position within the company and its a bad business ending.

Everyone has their own opinion, but I think they all have to take blame for the situation.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

The situation was unavoidable. Someone was going to get blamed, and everyone was going to deny any blame put on himself. It was a title-change that needed to happen, and someone was going to "screwed." I think the real screwjob was that WCW had no idea how to effectively use Bret.

 

[reddevil69]

This could be argued for hours upon hours but I truly think it all goes to Vince on this one.

He basically was telling Bret to leave because of his age. Sure that is pretty messed up but Vince did what he wanted to do.

As of blaming this on Shawn, I don't think it was his fault.Sure he did some bad things and was only concerned about himself I don't think this was his fault.I just think he was happy with his job and wanted to keep it.Just like Paul said Vince knew Shawn would do it.But does that make him responsible?

No.It just makes him someone involved.Doesn't make him the mastermind because he clearly did not come up with the idea.

And for people saying he could still be around today, he had a stroke.That made it clearly unimaginable for a Bret Hart return. And maybe he could have dropped it the next night.

But to who? It probably would have went to Shawn anyways. They were planning for Austin to win at Wrestlemania and who better to win it from than the biggest heel.Why Undertaker?

If Steve were to win at Wrestlemania there would be no 15-0 streak.

i don't think that Shawn was the biggest heel.....not in america anyways and that is where the WWE performs 95% of the time....Bret was the biggest heel at that point and was despised in the USA....the whole anti-american gimmick was super over with heel heat....bottom line is that Hart wanted to drop the belt to Austin and it would have been a much better match and would have had a much bigger buzz than Austin/HBK....especially when you consider that the previous mania Bret and Steve had that awesome I Quit match, that Steve never gave up in...they could have played that up and it would have been brilliant....there would have been no better way to launch Austin as a super babyface than to have him beat one of the all-time greats who was despised in America at that point....it would have saved Vince that $3 million that he shelled out for that fool Mike Tyson, they wouldn't have needed that lame 'guest ref' crap.....funny, Vince told Bret he wanted out of their contract because he could not afford to pay him and the company was in financial peril, yet 6 weeks after the screw job, Vince suddenly found $3 million dollars to hire Tyson to 'enforce' at mania?...i can assure you that none of the WWE wrestlers got that kind of a payout for WM that year....

 

[JadeShocker]

i don't think that Shawn was the biggest heel.....not in america anyways and that is where the WWE performs 95% of the time....Bret was the biggest heel at that point and was despised in the USA....the whole anti-american gimmick was super over with heel heat....bottom line is that Hart wanted to drop the belt to Austin and it would have been a much better match and would have had a much bigger buzz than Austin/HBK....especially when you consider that the previous mania Bret and Steve had that awesome I Quit match, that Steve never gave up in...they could have played that up and it would have been brilliant....there would have been no better way to launch Austin as a super babyface than to have him beat one of the all-time greats who was despised in America at that point....it would have saved Vince that $3 million that he shelled out for that fool Mike Tyson, they wouldn't have needed that lame 'guest ref' crap.....funny, Vince told Bret he wanted out of their contract because he could not afford to pay him and the company was in financial peril, yet 6 weeks after the screw job, Vince suddenly found $3 million dollars to hire Tyson to 'enforce' at mania?...i can assure you that none of the WWE wrestlers got that kind of a payout for WM that year....

Yeah, Vince had the money. But he wasn't willing to spend it on a washed up run of the mill everyday average guy. Bret didn't deserve that kind of money. The only reason WCW spent it was because they could. They wanted Bret until' they got him, and then realized that he had no place in the attitude era of pro-wrestling. Bret Hart was popular amongst children in the early 90's. But now we had Stone Cold Steve Austin, Sting, The Undertaker, Degeneration X.. WWE had HEELS that generated more merchandizing revenue than Bret Hart did as a face. And when they turned Bret heel.. He could barely generate heat. His best feud was with Shawn Michaels, and he ought to thank Shawn Michaels for keeping his career alive while he did. How was it that Shawn Michaels portrayed a heel character, and Bret was the one getting booed? I never really understood that feud. I suppose I've always been a little harsh on Bret.. But that's because I see him for what he truly is. Let me ask a question.. If Bret Hart came back today.. After the initial hype.. After his first match.. Would you still be so excited? Stop wishing him back. He's happy in Paris with his supermodel wife, and he has no interest in wrestling.. And anyone who has sense has no interest in seeing him come back anyway. The only Hart I want to see return is Owen.. And that's not gonna' happen. Peace

 

[Slim Pickns]

Most of the guys respected shawn in the ring, at that point in his career, he didn't care how they felt about him outside of the ring.

I definitely don't understand how some people blame shawn more than they blame vince or even bret for that matter. What should he have done exactly? Bret would not lose because they were in Canada(which is bogus within itself) and because he was facing Shawn. It was personal both ways. He could have refused to do it, but that could have hurt his position within the company and its a bad business ending.

Everyone has their own opinion, but I think they all have to take blame for the situation.

It has been stated multiple times by Vince and Bret that losing in Canada was not a big deal. The main reason for the disagreement was Bret wanted to go out a hero (even if it wasn't with the belt), put over the company, and not put over Shawn clean (why job to someone who's not willing to do the job back?). Enough with the Bret Hart can't lose in Canada. Watch his DVD, he loses in Canada 1,000 times.

I still think its bs that Hart couldn't go out the way he wanted. He worked 10x harder than Michaels and 20x harder than HHH ever will, yet he doesn't deserve a last big moment, that my friends is the biggest pile of bullshit ever.

 

[Shocky]

Yeah, Vince had the money. But he wasn't willing to spend it on a washed up run of the mill everyday average guy. Bret didn't deserve that kind of money. The only reason WCW spent it was because they could. They wanted Bret until' they got him, and then realized that he had no place in the attitude era of pro-wrestling. Bret Hart was popular amongst children in the early 90's. But now we had Stone Cold Steve Austin, Sting, The Undertaker, Degeneration X.. WWE had HEELS that generated more merchandizing revenue than Bret Hart did as a face. And when they turned Bret heel.. He could barely generate heat. His best feud was with Shawn Michaels, and he ought to thank Shawn Michaels for keeping his career alive while he did. How was it that Shawn Michaels portrayed a heel character, and Bret was the one getting booed? I never really understood that feud. I suppose I've always been a little harsh on Bret.. But that's because I see him for what he truly is. Let me ask a question.. If Bret Hart came back today.. After the initial hype.. After his first match.. Would you still be so excited? Stop wishing him back. He's happy in Paris with his supermodel wife, and he has no interest in wrestling.. And anyone who has sense has no interest in seeing him come back anyway. The only Hart I want to see return is Owen.. And that's not gonna' happen. Peace

Wow wow wow, talk about revisionist history. Bret wasn't able to get over as heel? Bret single handedly kept the WWF afloat in 1997 with the Hart Foundation and being the focal point of the USA vs. Canada feud. Sure, the Undertaker was champ, but the midcard was kept afloat by the Hart Foundation vs. all of the up and coming stars in the company. Where was Shawn? Oh that's right, he lost his smile and had a "Knee Injury". Always funny how Michaels miraculously got injured every time he was scheduled to lie on his back for Bret during 1997.

I seem to remember Bret starting to get over as a face during the Michaels feud, because the crowd despised Michaels more then Hart. i seem to distinctively remember Bret getting cheered after verbally belittling Michaels and then taking time to look at the fans and say "Spare me your Cheers" to stay heel.

To say that Bret wasn't over in 1997 is just flat out wrong. Bret was the guy that kept that company afloat.

 

[acma18]

It has been stated multiple times by Vince and Bret that losing in Canada was not a big deal. The main reason for the disagreement was Bret wanted to go out a hero (even if it wasn't with the belt), put over the company, and not put over Shawn clean (why job to someone who's not willing to do the job back?). Enough with the Bret Hart can't lose in Canada. Watch his DVD, he loses in Canada 1,000 times.

I still think its bs that Hart couldn't go out the way he wanted. He worked 10x harder than Michaels and 20x harder than HHH ever will, yet he doesn't deserve a last big moment, that my friends is the biggest pile of bullshit ever.

Alright but thats my point. Shawn didn't set up this match, Vince did. Shawn was who they were going with. So why would shawn feel inclined to cater to Brets decision when it was personally against him and not one that vince wanted? The history was already there, they couldn't change it. I just want to know what people expected him to do. Bret would have left a hero in Canada even if he lost that match.

I don't believe for a second that he worked 10x harder than michaels(the kliq didn't have power) or HHH(would have gotten to the top with or without stephanie). I'm sure that is what Bret would tell you, but i don't think its true. Sure he deserved a last big moment, but that moment should not be him leaving as champion. Its not like the original plan was for him to win anyway, other than a DQ.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Alright but thats my point. Shawn didn't set up this match, Vince did. Shawn was who they were going with. So why would shawn feel inclined to cater to Brets decision when it was personally against him and not one that vince wanted? The history was already there, they couldn't change it. I just want to know what people expected him to do. Bret would have left a hero in Canada even if he lost that match.

I don't believe for a second that he worked 10x harder than michaels(the kliq didn't have power) or HHH(would have gotten to the top with or without stephanie). I'm sure that is what Bret would tell you, but i don't think its true. Sure he deserved a last big moment, but that moment should not be him leaving as champion. Its not like the original plan was for him to win anyway, other than a DQ.

He didn't have to leave with the belt, he just had to leave a hero. They could have done a DQ finish or screw Bret out of the belt in storyline instead of for real. Then he could tell the fans thank you, say how much he enjoyed his WWF run, then move on to WCW.

Anyone who didn't watch wrestling back then seems to always stick up for Shawn (I'm not directing this comment at you, I don't know when you started watching) because they love DX and have no idea what Bret did for WWF. The only reason I blame Shawn a little bit is because the whole locker room was pissed at this situation, while he was willing to do it because it made his character look good.

The way Shawn carried himself in the months after the screwjob were just disgusting. Hart has to be one of the most stand up guys ever, because had that been me Michaels was talking about that way, he would have gotten a punch twice as hard as McMahon.

Finally, until Shawn works a schedule even half as hard as Bret did, don't give him any credit on how hard he works. Bret workd twelve years missing only two dates. Shawn got fired multiple times and had a few "injuries" that kept him out of action. I will always stand by this statement that Shawn and HHH were comapany made where as Bret made himself.

 

[beetle717]

Ok...U must be from Canada cuz no one uses Kilos round here but thats cool i love the north..Dude i understand Calgary/Montreal not the same thing but lets not break balls here hometown, home country, my spot, your spot, gym spot, and my dog named spot whatever...... Who told Owen to go up there in the first place?? Wasn’t Owens idea i know that...hmmm?? Vince? Who likes big men and prob wouldn’t have pushed Davey boy otherwise??? Vince??? The man is scum u know it i know it the IWC knows it.. He didnt cut the wire or put the needle in the arm but he told to ring the bell.. he is sooooo responsible

I wasn't trying to bust your balls but that's like confusing Dallas Texas with New York, it just isn't done, and the site I looked up the distance on, cause I knew it was pretty far, was Canadian, but not me, I'm Pennsylvania born and bred. Davey boy and Owen could have refused the dumb stunt and roids respectivley. I guess I always lean towards more personal accountability for ones own situations rather than blaming others. I see your point but it had to be decision by the others to let it happen too.

To thisiscrazy619: You say HBK and HHH never worked as hard as Bret, but why is it that HBK and HHH are 100x more successful? They are the ones who spent time learning how to act and be entertaining rather than slow and boring like Bret was in his day. You talk about Bret getting cheers as a heel, isn't that a bad thing, doesn't that mean he couldn't cut it as a bad guy? Bottom line he wasn't doing his job then, and refused to do his job at Survivor Series, he has no one to blame but himself.

 

[Shocky]

I wasn't trying to bust your balls but that's like confusing Dallas Texas with New York, it just isn't done, and the site I looked up the distance on, cause I knew it was pretty far, was Canadian, but not me, I'm Pennsylvania born and bred. Davey boy and Owen could have refused the dumb stunt and roids respectivley. I guess I always lean towards more personal accountability for ones own situations rather than blaming others. I see your point but it had to be decision by the others to let it happen too.

To thisiscrazy619: You say HBK and HHH never worked as hard as Bret, but why is it that HBK and HHH are 100x more successful? They are the ones who spent time learning how to act and be entertaining rather than slow and boring like Bret was in his day. You talk about Bret getting cheers as a heel, isn't that a bad thing, doesn't that mean he couldn't cut it as a bad guy? Bottom line he wasn't doing his job then, and refused to do his job at Survivor Series, he has no one to blame but himself.

Hit the brakes there, how in the world are Triple H and HBK more successful then Bret. Don't let WWE revisionist history tell you that these two are remotely as successful as Bret Hart.

Look at respectability amongst there peers, Bret Hart takes the cake. Bret was an overall better worker then these two combined. As said before, Bret never had an "Injury" when it was time to job to his main rival. Look at anything published or done outside the realm of the WWE's influence, and you'll have close to 90 percent or more of the boys in the locker room saying that Bret Hart was better then Shawn Michaels.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Hit the brakes there, how in the world are Triple H and HBK more successful then Bret. Don't let WWE revisionist history tell you that these two are remotely as successful as Bret Hart.

Look at respectability amongst there peers, Bret Hart takes the cake. Bret was an overall better worker then these two combined. As said before, Bret never had an "Injury" when it was time to job to his main rival. Look at anything published or done outside the realm of the WWE's influence, and you'll have close to 90 percent or more of the boys in the locker room saying that Bret Hart was better then Shawn Michaels.

Thank you Paul/Shocky, couldn't have said it better myself.

Bret Hart single handedly transitioned the WWF from the Hulk Hogan era. How in the hell is that even possible? Hulk Hogan was by far the biggest draw in the history of the company. But that doesn't define success I guess.

Bret Hart was the man for so long, he had everyone's respect. Then it was like all the sudden the WWF starting pooring tons of money into trying to make Shawn.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Thank you Paul/Shocky, couldn't have said it better myself.

Bret Hart single handedly transitioned the WWF from the Hulk Hogan era. How in the hell is that even possible? Hulk Hogan was by far the biggest draw in the history of the company. But that doesn't define success I guess.

Bret Hart was the man for so long, he had everyone's respect. Then it was like all the sudden the WWF starting pooring tons of money into trying to make Shawn.

The whole montreal situation came to play due to the fact that Vince already had one person going to wcw and throwing a title in the trash anyone remember the womens championship in all its glory getting dropped in the bin, it wasn't pretty.

I think bret and shawn where more big egos, they hated each other, ive read both shawn and brets biographies and both paint a very different picture, the whole issue that bret had was that he didn't want to job to Shawn, he wanted to leave on his own terms and vince couldn't of taken the chance.

as for shawn though i dont feel that he was totally blamless in the situation either if it happened the other way i think bret would have done the same thing.

 

[acma18]

He didn't have to leave with the belt, he just had to leave a hero. They could have done a DQ finish or screw Bret out of the belt in storyline instead of for real. Then he could tell the fans thank you, say how much he enjoyed his WWF run, then move on to WCW.

Anyone who didn't watch wrestling back then seems to always stick up for Shawn (I'm not directing this comment at you, I don't know when you started watching) because they love DX and have no idea what Bret did for WWF. The only reason I blame Shawn a little bit is because the whole locker room was pissed at this situation, while he was willing to do it because it made his character look good.

The way Shawn carried himself in the months after the screwjob were just disgusting. Hart has to be one of the most stand up guys ever, because had that been me Michaels was talking about that way, he would have gotten a punch twice as hard as McMahon.

Finally, until Shawn works a schedule even half as hard as Bret did, don't give him any credit on how hard he works. Bret workd twelve years missing only two dates. Shawn got fired multiple times and had a few "injuries" that kept him out of action. I will always stand by this statement that Shawn and HHH were comapany made where as Bret made himself.

Alright, i understand that. But i still want to know what you expected Shawn to do to change the outcome. You think that the situation made his charcter look good? I mean look at the hate that fans had and still have for his character because of it. Both him and Hunter looked at it more as a business decision than anything else. He even said that he knew there was no way going into that he was going to be anything but the bad guy.

DX were working as heels, of course they had to mention it. I'm not saying its right, but they would do anything for ratings.

It was a long time ago, so i can't sit here and talk like i remember everything that went down, although i did consitantly watch wrestling at that point. Sure, Bret had no Injuries, but he also had steroids to possibly help him with that (and i'm basing this off my knowledge of steroids in Baseball so i could be wrong) Plus Shawn was a bad guy in those times, i'm not saying he wasn't. I'm not trying to defend shawn like he was innocent or right, I just want people to acknowledge that Bret is partly to blame for all this and Vince, more than Shawn, is to blame for it as well.

 

[Emmet]

Alright but thats my point. Shawn didn't set up this match, Vince did. Shawn was who they were going with. So why would shawn feel inclined to cater to Brets decision when it was personally against him and not one that vince wanted? The history was already there, they couldn't change it. I just want to know what people expected him to do. Bret would have left a hero in Canada even if he lost that match.

I don't believe for a second that he worked 10x harder than michaels(the kliq didn't have power) or HHH(would have gotten to the top with or without stephanie). I'm sure that is what Bret would tell you, but i don't think its true. Sure he deserved a last big moment, but that moment should not be him leaving as champion. Its not like the original plan was for him to win anyway, other than a DQ.

Actually I think you'll find that the kliq had alot of power, throughout 1995 the kliq owned the WWF, Nash was champ, HBK and Hall were IC Champs throughout the whole year, they also pushed Bret down to mid card status. Its funny though how Bret states in his book that back in 1994 Nash, Hall and HBK all wanted BRET to be the leader of their kliq, Bret refused.

How can anyone actually say HHH was more successful to Bret Hart? HHH doesnt hold a candle to Bret, hes not even remotely close. Bret drew more money for Vince outside of the USA than anyone else for in the 1990s. Defintely more than the kliq, combined.

Bret Hart is the most standup guy in pro wrestling IMO, not many people have bad words to say about him. He is loved by the most respected (Taker, Austin, Rock, Foley, Race, Funks, Sammartino) wrestlers about. Can HBK or HHH claim that? No chance.

 

[beetle717]

Hit the brakes there, how in the world are Triple H and HBK more successful then Bret. Don't let WWE revisionist history tell you that these two are remotely as successful as Bret Hart.

Look at respectability amongst there peers, Bret Hart takes the cake. Bret was an overall better worker then these two combined. As said before, Bret never had an "Injury" when it was time to job to his main rival. Look at anything published or done outside the realm of the WWE's influence, and you'll have close to 90 percent or more of the boys in the locker room saying that Bret Hart was better then Shawn Michaels.

I agree Bret is more respected by the wrestlers but look at marketability and merchandising, the numbers there tell the story of financial successes and failures, Are you telling me that Bret sold more merchandise then HBK or HHH. And to be fair, people buy the tshirts and other crap for the guy that they came to see, not somebody else.

What was done in Montreal was the result of dispicable and childish actions by Bret and Vince, I really think Shawn was just along for the ride and did as told, not that, that in and of itself excuses his actions, but he need to make a living.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Alright, i understand that. But i still want to know what you expected Shawn to do to change the outcome. You think that the situation made his charcter look good? I mean look at the hate that fans had and still have for his character because of it. Both him and Hunter looked at it more as a business decision than anything else. He even said that he knew there was no way going into that he was going to be anything but the bad guy.

DX were working as heels, of course they had to mention it. I'm not saying its right, but they would do anything for ratings.

It was a long time ago, so i can't sit here and talk like i remember everything that went down, although i did consitantly watch wrestling at that point. Sure, Bret had no Injuries, but he also had steroids to possibly help him with that (and i'm basing this off my knowledge of steroids in Baseball so i could be wrong) Plus Shawn was a bad guy in those times, i'm not saying he wasn't. I'm not trying to defend shawn like he was innocent or right, I just want people to acknowledge that Bret is partly to blame for all this and Vince, more than Shawn, is to blame for it as well.

I not saying Shawn looked good as a person, but the screwjob made HBK the character look bad ass. After the screwjob Shawn tells Bret he had nothing to do with it, than as soon as Bret leaves for Nitro, Shawn is in the ring running his mouth about Bret and his family. Shawn was the big heel to the rising Steve Austin and he used the screwjob to look better.

Your steroid comment cannot be taken seriously. There is no evidence that he roided during those days. Bret was the guy the company turned to so they could shed that image. Also if you're going to say Bret could have possibly been roiding, what makes you think Shawn was clean?

 

[beetle717]

I not saying Shawn looked good as a person, but the screwjob made HBK the character look bad ass. After the screwjob Shawn tells Bret he had nothing to do with it, than as soon as Bret leaves for Nitro, Shawn is in the ring running his mouth about Bret and his family. Shawn was the big heel to the rising Steve Austin and he used the screwjob to look better.

Your steroid comment cannot be taken seriously. There is no evidence that he roided during those days. Bret was the guy the company turned to so they could shed that image. Also if you're going to say Bret could have possibly been roiding, what makes you think Shawn was clean?

Actually that's a good point about the drugs. But Bret has come out and said recently himself in an interview that the Roids helped with not sustaining injuries and he thinks they should be legal, so it's concivable that he was on them at that point, but it could be that every guy on the roster, except taka was on them. And if Taka Michinoku was on them, he did them wrong...

 

[mattitude_03]

I wouldnt blame Shawn for it he was just youngster with no much experience at the top of the WWE who was just plain and simply used by Mchmahon to make this fiasco happen. I dont think Shawn really expected it to be as bad as it was either. And i think Vince thought that maybe when he screwed over Bret that perhaps Breat would change his mind about wrestling and going to WCW. Vince just did it out of spite maybe? I dont think well ever know.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I agree Bret is more respected by the wrestlers but look at marketability and merchandising, the numbers there tell the story of financial successes and failures, Are you telling me that Bret sold more merchandise then HBK or HHH. And to be fair, people buy the tshirts and other crap for the guy that they came to see, not somebody else.

What was done in Montreal was the result of dispicable and childish actions by Bret and Vince, I really think Shawn was just along for the ride and did as told, not that, that in and of itself excuses his actions, but he need to make a living.

Sorry, but I disagree. Merchandise sales are not the only source of revenue. Just because you go to a WWE event and by a DX shirt doesn't make them better than Bret Hart or John Cena or anyone else.

I don't think Shawn was just along for the ride either. Look at how many superstars were pissed off threatening to quit after that incident. Do you think any of them would have done what Shawn did? The reason Michaels was in the ring is because he was the only one who would do that. Its not a good thing like the WWE would want you to believe, its a bad thing.

Oh, and do you know who told those superstars not to quit the WWF? It was Bret "the Hitman" Hart.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I wouldnt blame Shawn for it he was just youngster with no much experience at the top of the WWE who was just plain and simply used by Mchmahon to make this fiasco happen. I dont think Shawn really expected it to be as bad as it was either. And i think Vince thought that maybe when he screwed over Bret that perhaps Breat would change his mind about wrestling and going to WCW. Vince just did it out of spite maybe? I dont think well ever know.

Are you kidding me? HBK had already won the WWF Title a Wrestlemania from Bret Hart (who willingly put him over, only for Shawn to not return the favor the next year, imagine that), so to say he was a youngster with not much experience is just wrong. He wasn't used by McMahon, he wanted Hart out of there more than anyone. He had the same mentality about his competition that HHH has, hold then down because you want to look like the best. Shawn knew exactly what he was getting into.

 

[acma18]

Bret Hart is the most standup guy in pro wrestling IMO, not many people have bad words to say about him. He is loved by the most respected (Taker, Austin, Rock, Foley, Race, Funks, Sammartino) wrestlers about. Can HBK or HHH claim that? No chance.

Repected outside of the ring? You're right. But inside of the ring, both Taker and Foley have credit Shawn as being the opponent of one of, if not the, best match of their career.

Bret admitted to steroids. Its not like i assumed and placed it on him. Shawn said that Vince respected him because he hadn't, which i choose to take at face value. He's lied before, but with multiple wrestlers having already admiting to it, i don't see why he would.