WWE RAW LD 7/11/2011 - This Fire Burns

[16mikeytot]

Why? Because he said Colt Cabana? Because he talked about things the IWC cares about?

The fact is when he worked inside of kayfabe, he was mediocre like normal. The only time he was entertaining is when he got to talk outside of kayfabe, which is only entertaining because no one else gets to.

Punk was the weak link, no doubt.

Well luckily we all have our own opinions don't we

 

[justinsayne]

It fun watching people fall into Sly's lil' trap

 

[The Doctor]

"The majority of smarks love CM Punk, but they're the minority when compared to the WWE Audience. They think booing faces makes them cool."
"I'm going to hate CM Punk and defend the faces they boo, that'll show them."
"I'm so right, and no one else can see it. It's so cool being in the minority!"

And then John was a zombie.

 

[Sean Valjean]

Punk is a fucking god...great opening and ending. I can't wait for this Sunday and mitb, I'm wearing my punk new nexus shirt like him to work that day leading up to the ppv, fuck a dress code ill shoot on them punk style lol

I don't think you'll get a contract negotiation when they fire you, but more power to ya, bud.

 

[Serious Jones]

 

[Slyfox696]

No. Punk was fluid, emotive and got a reaction not just out of the IWC, but out of all the fans in attendance.

Oh yeah? Prove it. Because from what I saw and heard, it was only a fairly small percentage of males who were chanting at him.

So that's why WWE has been doing everything they can to get him to stay? Losing CM Punk is clearly a big deal to them.

I don't need to point out the obvious here, now do I?

If they were doing everything they could to get him to stay, then he'd already have a contract. It's the fact they're NOT doing everything he wants them (i.e. allow him to keep ownership of his name) to do that has prevented a new contract.

If he really doesn't have a contract, then they haven't done everything they can. Again, am I the only one with common sense in this thread tonight?

 

[FSWWE]

Drew McIntyre suffered an injury! I don't care about RAW anymore I don't care about MITB either, I'm just hopping that Big Daddy V shows up and destroys Henry and The Fart Show and give them a legitimate injury, to both of them

MITB is going to be epic!!
I hate that we have a Divas championship in the card and we don't have Dolph fucking Ziggler!!

 

[George Steele's Barber]

For those that asked the Boston Red Sox went years as the lovable underdog always losing to the NY Yankees. Bostonians identify with the underdog label and take pride in it. They started spending huge amounts of money to get the best players similar to what the Yankees have done for years. The Red Sox finally won a title after about 80 years in 2004. Since then they won another title and remain big spenders.

In other words, imagine if Manchester City won the Premiere League, they would no longer be Manchester U's bitch. This is my best attempt at a UK ananlogy, I don't know the Premiere League that well.

 

[Via Armbar]

Punk killed Cena and the fucking crowd proved it, why the fuck is this even an argument? Punk was getting bigger pops than Cena in Johns fucking hometown...

 

[Uncle Sam]

Again, am I the only one with common sense in this thread tonight?

Having your own brand of common sense is too ironic; it's misleading. You should just call it Sly Sense™.

 

[FSWWE]

If he really doesn't have a contract, then they haven't done everything they can. Again, am I the only one with common sense in this thread tonight?

Or maybe the one that needs to got o sleep??
So McMahon was better than CM Punk... I'm very surprised, Vince had a small promo to cut he botched CM Punk name and he even called him his real name, wow!!

CM Punk is one of the best actors in the WWE, if you were watching the promo you didn't understand if CM Punk was being a heel or a face, you wouldn't, because he was both and he showed it!!
So that is why you don't post in the Movies section... John Cena was pretty good to, really looked serious in the last part, I thought he had a real beef with CM Punk.

 

[mareek]

Punk was a god tonight, again

 

[Ming]

Sly is good at winding people up.

 

[mareek]

The reason why punk doesn't have a contract is because he doesn't want one. I'm pretty sure he's burned out and needs a break.

 

[Slyfox696]

Punk killed Cena and the fucking crowd proved it, why the fuck is this even an argument? Punk was getting bigger pops than Cena in Johns fucking hometown...

Which is hardly surprising, as Boston has always been a "smark" audience. Cena usually isn't well received in Boston. The fact it's his hometown means nothing, as it's always a smark heavy crowd.

Judging quality based upon who the fans cheered more in a smarky environment just doesn't work. Using that theory, RVD was 10x better than Cena at ONS, despite the fact Cena easily was the star of the match carried RVD to a good match.

 

[mr.ready]

No, Milenko is an imbecile. I'm just right.

Lmao just shit on him for no reason. Kinda like Josh Matthews did to Heath Slater on SD.

 

[shattered dreams]

I suppose you could make a case for Sly's cenagoggles viewpoint tonight. The crowd may have been so starved for a phrase they understood that they went into a frenzy once he started talking about ice cream.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Lmao just shit on him for no reason. Kinda like Josh Matthews did to Heath Slater on SD.

Na, Milenko always deserves it.

 

[mareek]

Which is hardly surprising, as Boston has always been a "smark" audience. Cena usually isn't well received in Boston. The fact it's his hometown means nothing, as it's always a smark heavy crowd.

Judging quality based upon who the fans cheered more in a smarky environment just doesn't work. Using that theory, RVD was 10x better than Cena at ONS, despite the fact Cena easily was the star of the match carried RVD to a good match.

What??? Cena got booed everywhere he went in 2006 while RVD was hot as shit. And cena def did not carry van dam in that match.

 

[Slyfox696]

CM Punk is one of the best actors in the WWE

Not really.

if you were watching the promo you didn't understand if CM Punk was being a heel or a face, you wouldn't, because he was both and he showed it!!

Being ambiguous in face/heel disposition is a good thing now?

So that is why you don't post in the Movies section

Uhh...what?

 

[Jay Sherman]

RAW MVP: Micheal Mcguilicutiy

 

[Daniel]

Oh yeah? Prove it. Because from what I saw and heard, it was only a fairly small percentage of males who were chanting at him.

Then your hearing is a bit off.

I don't need to point out the obvious here, now do I?

If they were doing everything they could to get him to stay, then he'd already have a contract. It's the fact they're NOT doing everything he wants them (i.e. allow him to keep ownership of his name) to do that has prevented a new contract.

If he really doesn't have a contract, then they haven't done everything they can.

It's my understanding that the main reason Punk is leaving because he is burnt out. No amount of perks are going to make someone not feel that way.

Everywhere I read, it says that WWE see signing Punk as essential. Hell, and looking at the roster, it sure looks that way. Like it or not, Punk has star power. And after losing Jericho, Batista, Michaels, Undertaker, Triple H in the past year or so, getting a bona fide main eventer to re-sign should be - and probably is a top priority for WWE when it comes to talent relations.

Again, am I the only one with common sense in this thread tonight?

There you go again, not being right.

 

[Slyfox696]

What??? Cena got booed everywhere he went in 2006 while RVD was hot as shit. And cena def did not carry van dam in that match.

Okay, you're not very smart in the first place, and you obviously don't understand wrestling.

My suggestion? Walk away quickly, before I decide to actually expose your stupidity to everyone else. If they haven't already noticed.

 

[X]

If money isn't important, then why was the major sticking point reportedly his name?

Because it's his creation. He created the CM Punk character, name, everything. More than that it's pretty much who he is. Why exactly should he sign away all rights to his biggest and most important creation, one that literally defines his entire life and existence? I don't know, seems pretty easy to understand why someone like CM Punk wouldn't want to sign away all the rights to his name and identity. For fuck's sake Sly, he has the word "Punk" in his name. That should key you into his thoughts on selling out his identity to a multi-million dollar corporation.

That's the part I'm saying is silly. CM Punk was reported to not re-sign with the WWE because the WWE wants him to sign over his name. Why not sign it over, because of "personal principles"? No, you don't sign it over for monetary reasons.

No, it seems like if anything it would clearly be because of his personal principles and not money.

Successful companies sell themselves to make a profit, not to become underlings. Unless they're like TNA and need the revenue to stay alive.

Umm, no, successful and profitable companies sell themselves all the time for larger amounts of money. Take Google buying YouTube. Or really anything that Google's bought. Your point that because ROH was recently sold as a company is evidence that they're bleeding money as you say is totally invalid because successful and profitable companies sell themselves all the time for a larger payday. Seriously man, do I really need to tell you this?

WCW is proof of what happens when you don't control your own destiny. And if you really think ROH sold out for any reason other because they needed cash, you're just being willfully ignorant.

I'm not saying I know shit about ROH's fiscal situation right now. What I'm saying is you sure as fuck don't either, and your attempt to "prove" that they're losing money because they sold their company is totally faulty and invalid.

I mean, what's the benefit for ROH to sell out, if not for revenue?

I don't know. Neither do you. If you've got insider info on ROH's state as a company, do share.


So anyways, I went to a friend's and am now back to watch the rest of RAW that I missed. Anything good happen?

 

[FSWWE]

Not really.

Name me one better, please...

Being ambiguous in face/heel disposition is a good thing now?

You are damn sure it is, if made Dolph Ziggler cut that promo people would be quiet, not booing and cheering, like they do with CM Punk....

I know you are the boss here, but man in your standards Evan Bourne was better than CM Punk cutting a promo