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WWE New York, Round 1, Match 6: 28 Shelton Benjamin vs. #37. Brutus Beefcake

Benjamin vs. Beefcake

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If you are saying that being in a multiple man main event of one brand is a main event, then being a main eventer in this day and age means nothing. Tommy fucking Dreamer has been in the ECW main event on more than one occaision, is he a main eventer too?

Beefcake was in the most hyped up match on the card, Benjamin was in one of three hyped up matches on the card. Kendrick and the Miz also were on said cards.
 
I don't really have much to say. Big Sexy is talking poo.

Beefcake would have been an IC Champion if he hadn't broken his face.

Beefcake was a tag team champion.

Beefcake has been in plenty of main events. If you use the Unforgiven Scramble match argument. I'll go for the Money Inc. vs. Hogan & Beefcake mid carrd main event to negate it. I'll also point you to a real main event while we're at it it:-

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In reality, Beefcake should even give Randy Orton a run for his money in the next round.
 
I'm bored, so...

How can anyone vote for Beefcake?

Because he's better than Benjamin.

''Better Than Benjamin'' I like it. It's my new campaign slogan

He was a popular wrestler, but the only good person he ever beat was Mr Perfect.

Oh, I don't know about that.

The Beefcake WWF PPV Record​

WrestleMania 2 - w/ Greg Valentine vs. The British Bulldogs (Lost)

WrestleMania 3 - w/ Greg Valentine vs. The Fabulous Rougeaus (Won)

Survivor Series '87 - w/ Jim Duggan, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage & Jake Roberts vs. Harley Race, Honky Tonk Man, Ron Bass, Hercules Hernandez & Danny Davis (Won)

WrestleMania 4 - vs. Honky Tonk Man (Won)

Survivo Series '88 - w/ The Ultimate Warrior, Sam Houston, The Blue Blazer & Jim Brunzell vs. Honky Tonk Man, Greg Valentine, Bad News Brown, Ron Bass & Danny Davis (Won)

Royal Rumble '89 - (Lost)

WrestleMania 5 - vs. Ted Dibiase (Double Count Out)

Summer Slam '89 - w/ Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage & Zeus (Won)

Survivor Series '89 - w/ Dusty Rhodes, Terry Taylor & Tito Santana vs. Big Boss Man, Bad News Brown, Rick Martel & Honky Tonk Man (Won)

Royal Rumble '90 - vs. Lanny Poffo (Double DQ)

WrestleMania 6 - vs. Curt Henning (Won)

WrestleMania 9 - w/ Hulk Hogan vs. Money Inc. (Lost via DQ)

Matches - 12
Wins - 7
Losses - 3 (One by DQ, on Rumble match & one where his partner was pinned)
Double DQ/Count Out - 2​

He never won a singles title in any promotion,

So? Neither has Jake Roberts. Would you say that Jake Robers hasn't had a good career?

with the exception of a couple years in the WWE he was never anything more then a jobber to the stars.

Prime is the key here. It doesn't matter what he was like in WCW, nobody would seriously say he was at his best then.

Shelton on the other hand has held the IC title 3 times and the US title once.

Three times? I didn't know that. On a success scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate his title reigns? I'll call bullshit if you give them high or even moderate ratings.

He has victories over Triple H, Chris Jericho, Christian, Ric Flair, Randy Orton, and RVD.

Triple H? Fluke. Chris Jericho? Mid card rut at the time. Christian? Similar to Beefcake beating Ron Bass. Ric Flair? Everybody beats Flair. Orton? Lost the feud overall. RVD? Probably stoned.

Not all of those guys were in their prime when he beat them, but they are still impressive victories.

Not really, the only memorable one was Triple H. Fluke victories don't show how talented you are. It happened again a couple of weeks or months after. But since then Triple H has got him figured out.

Shelton is 6'2 248 and he is faster then most people his size.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe people his size are over without having to try and show off.

Even if everything you said was true it's not like Beefcake was fast, athletic, or very technically sound.

Same could be said for The Undertaker in the early 90's.


Benjamin defeated Brock Lesnar in an amateur wrestling match so he has more then enough strength to compete with Beefcake.

Where is Lesnar now and where was Lesnar in 2003 in comparison to Shelton?

Actually when you think about it he hardly ever won. He lost a lot of matches to a lot of people, especially in WCW.

Not his prime years.

Beefcake feuded with big names because he was popular, but when it came to the matches he rarely won.

See my PPV listing.

You'd think that with all the time he spent wrestling he would be able to win at least one singles title, but he didn't.

Do you think Shelton would have got a singles title in WWE when there were only two?

Beefcake would keep it close but in the end Shelton's athleticism would be too much and he'd get the win after hitting Paydirt.

Athleticism, what does that actually mean when people refer to Shelton Benjamin?

Once again people make the argument that Shelton sucks because he doesn't ever make it to the main event with his pushes.

Fair enough, but Beefcake did.

It's not his fault the WWE always stops his pushes.

Kinda is. He's popular yet he puts forth no effort in his matches.

He always goes out and has great matches.

Like?

I'll only accept great matches, not good matches.

His mic skills might not be good but that means jack shit in a wrestling match.

No, but charisma is important in matches.

Shelton does everything in the ring better then Beefcake.

It's ironic. Beefcake uses a sleeper as a finishing move and Shelton puts people to sleep with his matches.

He's more athletic,

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN!!

he's quicker,

Counter point. He's sloppier.

he's stronger,

How do you work that one out?

he has more tenacity.

No he doesn't, it's why he's been in the same position for the past 5 years.

Shelton is flat out better then Beefcake and that is why he wins.

Oh yeah, because he's athletic.

Beefcake wins because he's got bigger pectorals. Counter that little nugget.

What did Beefcake do besides his one victory over Mr Perfect? Not shit.

It's a pretty big deal. Proving that one of the best gimmicks ever in wrestling is a total sham.

He never won anything.

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He was a jobber to the stars and Hogans lackey for the majority of his career.

His n.W.o. run wasn't the majority of his career.

Shelton at least has some wins over big name talent.

Fluke wins.

Main Eventer my ass. He was in the main event of 2 pay per views over his 8 years in the WWE; Summerslam 89 and Wrestlemania 9, and both of those were as Hogans partner. If it wasn't for Hogan Beefcake would have never even sniffed the main event.

So? That's still two main events. Excluding Royal Rumbles.

I don't know what your definition of "starred" is , but if it's one good match with Mr Perfect and one major tag match with Hogan then yes he "starred" on a few Wrestlemanias.

WrestleMania's are kind of a big deal. So is being in the main event of a SummerSlam, or at least it was. It's not now, I guess Benjamin will never know that feeling. That feeling of headlining an important show.

Yep you got me. It's because he's black.

I wasn't going to say it.

Ignore the title reigns and all the great matches he's has with the likes of Triple H, HBK, Chris Jericho, and Christian.

Yes, ignore the title reigns and the average matches.

He's better because he's black and Beefcake is white.

Equality. It's waht I'm preaching.

Great job making this into a race issue even though my argument never insinuated that at all.

I have no idea what this is relating to. I simply quoted all the negative Beefcake posters. I'll ignore it and move on.


Beefcake never decimated anyone in his whole career so there is no way he would decimate Benjamin.

Benjamin never decimated anyone in his whole career so there is no way he would decimate Beefcake.

See what I did there.



That doesn't change the fact that without his friendship with Hogan, Beefcake would never have been in those main events. You're basically telling me that you're voting for Beefcake because he had more famous friends.

Again, so? What does it matter. If backstage politics comes into this thing then you can say goodbye to most wrestlers.

When Shelton had his first major push as a face on RAW they could have put him with someone like HBK against two major heels and people would have bought it.

But they didn't, why is that?

But it's nearly impossible to compare because during the Hulkamania era anyone could have teamed with Hogan and they would have bought it. You could have put Jim Duggan, Koko B Ware, or any other face that was over with the fans and teamed him up with Hogan during that period and it would have worked.

Put anybody with Hogan now and it would work. The same could probably be said for Beefcake. Nostalgia pop or not.

Okay, fair point. How many championship belts has Beefcake held? He hasn't held any.

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Benjamin hasn't headlined a pay per view, and Beefcake hasn't held a title.

Oopsie.

I think that holding a championship is more significant than being in a main event.

I think holding an important title is more more important than holding a worthless one.

Besides, wasn't Benjamin in the SmackDown Main Event at Unforgiven? The scramble?

That match that happened in the middle of the card? Yes, yes he was.

He has technically been in a main event at a pay per view, though. What did they say on SmackDown prior to Unforgiven? They called it their Main Event, which is true.

True, but false. The main event is the match that sells the card. The would have been the Scramble concept. But out of the Scramble matches it was the Raw one with all of the superstars. Also, HBK/Jericho had a higher profile.

He was in his brand's most important match of the night.

But what was the most important Smackdown moment of the night? I'll put forth my vote for Big Show knocking out the Undertaker.

Brutus does have the edge in main events, but he still never did win a title.

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He had opportunity for Tag (In WWF and WCW), Intercontinental, WWF Heavyweight, United States, and the WCW Heavyweight. That's quite a few opportunities to win a title.

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When he was a face there were a lot of people who liked Shelton, but as a heel you are right no one ever got behind him like other major heels ie: Edge and Jericho.

Edge & Jericho are head and shoulders above Benjamin in every conceivable way. That might be one reason.

That's probably because to draw heat as a heel you have to be able to talk.

I'll say no to that. You can have heel mannerisms without opening your mouth.

As we all know Benjamin isn't a great talker and he doesn't get many opportunities to talk.

I've heard his speak quite a lot over the past 5 years. It must just be you.

Beefcake was always over as a face because he had a gimmick that people liked.

He does Benjamin's hair you know.

It's the same reason that guys like Duggan, Koko, JYD, and Hillbilly Jim were over.

A cockatoo could be just the thing for Shelton's career.

But with the exception of JYD I don't think any of those guys could beat Benjamin.

The only one he could beat is Koko.

The WWE also appealed to a different type of fan back when Beefcake was around.

So?

If a guy was given a good gimmick and could interact well with the fans then he would be popular.

Shelton should still be able to interact with the fans as it is.

If the scramble doesn't count then Beefcakes Wrestlemania 9 tag match doesn't count as a main event.

Naturally, nobody really counts mid card matches as main events.

So that still gives Beefcake one main event, but that doesn't mean he would beat Shelton.

Think it does. Would Shelton beat Savage or even Zeus? Thought not.

Please don't compare Beefcake to Austin, Hogan, Triple H, and HBK.

But, but, I didn't.

Yes everyone needs help to make it to the main event, but Beefcake was in ONE main event. Those other guys have been main eventers for years.

Beefcake was a main eventer before The Rock, Triple H & Austin. FACT.



Consistent performance and consistent losing when he wasn't teaming with Hogan.

False.
 
I didn't know that Beefcake held the tag titles. I might not have been alive. Who knows?

Y 2 Jake said:
I think holding an important title is more more important than holding a worthless one.

So a tag championship is important in this tournament? Because that's all Beefcake won. If it is important, I give you this:

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Benjamin was a two-time (I think.) tag-team champion.

Shelton Benjamin is a three-time winner of the Intercontinental Championship, the very same championship that was around in Beefcake's day which he failed to win.
 
I didn't know that Beefcake held the tag titles. I might not have been alive. Who knows?

In 1986, if that helps.

So a tag championship is important in this tournament? Because that's all Beefcake won.

No. A tag team title won when tag team wrestling and the titles meant something is more important than winning a secondary tag belt when tag wrestling means nothing.

Benjamin was a two-time (I think.) tag-team champion.

Right. But there was never been a proper stacked tag division when Benjamin held the titles. Beefcake was a champion when the division was stacked.

Shelton Benjamin is a three-time winner of the Intercontinental Championship, the very same championship that was around in Beefcake's day which he failed to win.

WWE had two men's singles titles at that time. During the career of Shelton Benjamin there has been the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, ECW World Heavyweight Championship, United States Championship, Intercontinental Championship & the Cruiserweight Championship.

You've got to be a total loser not to win one. Are you saying Beefcake wouldn't have held a title were he around in this age? Or are you saying that Benjamin would have been an IC Champion if he was around at the same time as Beefcake?
 
Triple H? Fluke. Chris Jericho? Mid card rut at the time. Christian? Similar to Beefcake beating Ron Bass. Ric Flair? Everybody beats Flair. Orton? Lost the feud overall. RVD? Probably stoned.

You can come up with all the excuses you want but a win is a win, and Benjamin has way more quality wins then Beefcake.
Not really, the only memorable one was Triple H. Fluke victories don't show how talented you are. It happened again a couple of weeks or months after. But since then Triple H has got him figured out.

Shelton beat Triple H 3 times. One might be a fluke but it's hard to get three fluke victories over the same guy.

See my PPV listing.

All I see from your pay per view listing is that Beefcake won matches when he was teaming with Hogan or when he was on a survivor series team. Of his 7 wins only 2 came in singles matches.

Fair enough, but Beefcake did.

Being in one main event on one pay per view because you're friends with Hulk Hogan doesn't really impress me all that much.

I'll only accept great matches, not good matches.

His match with HBK on RAW was great. His triple threat match against Nitro and Carlito was great. He has stolen the show in every money in the bank he's been in. And by the way how many great matches has Beefcake been in. I'll only accept great not good matches.

Benjamin never decimated anyone in his whole career so there is no way he would decimate Beefcake.

See what I did there.

I never said Benjamin would decimate Beefcake so no I don't see what you did there.

Edge & Jericho are head and shoulders above Benjamin in every conceivable way. That might be one reason

That's true but it doesn't change the fact that Benjamin would beat Beefcake.

Think it does. Would Shelton beat Savage or even Zeus? Thought not.

Would Beefcake beat them without Hogan? Nope.
Beefcake was a main eventer before The Rock, Triple H & Austin. FACT.

Could that be because Beefcake is about 10 to 15 years older then those guys?


True. Benjamin is better then Beefcake. More quality matches, more quality wins, more titles.
 
I'm going with Beefcake, because Shelton is a waste. His most memorable moments are losing to HBK, losing 2 MiTBs, and being Kurt Angle's bitch. That never got Hawkins or Ryder anywhere with Edge.

Beefcake is powerful, and will wear down Shelton, before locking in the sleeperhold, and cutting Shleton's hair...Or, trying to.
 
I'm going with Beefcake, because Shelton is a waste. His most memorable moments are losing to HBK, losing 2 MiTBs, and being Kurt Angle's bitch. That never got Hawkins or Ryder anywhere with Edge.

Beefcake is powerful, and will wear down Shelton, before locking in the sleeperhold, and cutting Shleton's hair...Or, trying to.

This would make me very happy, Sheltons hair is annoying, Brutus takes this in a match I don't really give a fuck about, Shelton has plenty of athletic ability and potential yet he always seems to drop the ball whenever they give him something to work with
 
You can come up with all the excuses you want but a win is a win, and Benjamin has way more quality wins then Beefcake.

Nobody would seriously rate the superstars of today better than they would the wrestlers from the Hogan or even Attitude Era.


Shelton beat Triple H 3 times. One might be a fluke but it's hard to get three fluke victories over the same guy.

But he did it.



All I see from your pay per view listing is that Beefcake won matches when he was teaming with Hogan or when he was on a survivor series team. Of his 7 wins only 2 came in singles matches.

I could do a Shelton Benjamin one if you'd like. It'd point to the fact that he won a couple of matches in 2004 and the rest were in tag team matches.



Being in one main event on one pay per view because you're friends with Hulk Hogan doesn't really impress me all that much.

''Because he's friends with Hogan'' is a shit excuse.



His match with HBK on RAW was great. His triple threat match against Nitro and Carlito was great. He has stolen the show in every money in the bank he's been in.

You have a very low standard when it comes to great.

And by the way how many great matches has Beefcake been in. I'll only accept great not good matches.

HaHa fooled you. What has match quality got to do with anything?



I never said Benjamin would decimate Beefcake so no I don't see what you did there.

It was a direct quote from you, but Beefcake swapped with Benjamin.



That's true but it doesn't change the fact that Benjamin would beat Beefcake.

How?



Would Beefcake beat them without Hogan? Nope.

Course. He had an even match with Dibiase, so it's not inconceivable he'd beat IRS, the lesser member of the team.



Could that be because Beefcake is about 10 to 15 years older then those guys?

That only works in relation to your original post.




True. Benjamin is better then Beefcake. More quality matches, more quality wins, more titles.

#1 Match quality isn't important.

#2 He doesn't have more wins. In the 80's they were ion the road more, Beefcake was one of the top stars. How do you work that out?

#3 He's won worthless titles, done nothing with them and there are 4 times as many as there were 20 years ago.
 
Shelton Benjamin, god's gift to pure wrestling and potential, alas both of those things mean jack shit inside of the squared circle. Shelton Benjamin, if I had a nickle for every time I've read the word under rated and his name in the same sentence, I'd be a millionaire. The guy is not under rated, the guy just underwhelms. For a Black Man, he's about as Vanilla as anyone I've ever watched.

Beefcake, the guy doesn't lose. He's beaten solid competition, and was over as no other in his prime. Is Benjamin a better athlete, you bet, is he a better "wrestler" you bet, but that means nothing in this match.
 
LOLZ!! howze can u not bizzack Benjamin..... oh wait i remember why, because although he had three wins against triple h, other than that he's done jack shit all, because he lost to HBK, got kicked in the chest while trying to fly if i remember, he's remember in a money in the bank match, because he run's and jumps of ladders, He's like Jeff Hardy, minus the actual charisma. But wait, he's so athletic, and as Jake says what the hell does that actually mean. I guess that means he can jump of shit really well, but wait, if Hardy did that, you'd call him a spot monkey, so wheres the difference.

From checking out what Beefcake has done in his career he'd easily outpower Shelton, and then hopefully shave off that horrible gold hair.

A vote for Benjamin is a vote for mediocraty
 
Shelton Benjamin has never won a big match in his life. I think this is a pretty even matchup, but Shelton's atleticism can't save him when he is shitting his pants during crunch time. Beefcake is a actually quite underrated, and should move on
 
At least Beefcake was interesting for parts of his career. The same cannot be said for Shelton Benjamin, who has been a total bore since the moment he first stepped foot inside a wrestling ring. I don't care how athletic he is, or how many flips he can do, the fact of the matter is, he's shit.

In his prime Beefcake rarely lost, so this gives him a huge advantage. Nighty night Shelton Benjamin, it's time for a haircut.
 
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I've been backing Shelton since his Team Angle days. But as much as I like him, I don't think he would be Brutus. It kills to vote against Shelton, but it has to be done. Shelton does some good stuff in the ring, but he has little to no charisma. Yeah he can be exciting in the ring and is great for some OMG spots, but he hasn't lived up to his potential. I remember when he got drafted to Raw, WWE magazine came out with an article and it talked about who could be the next big up and comers and could be WWE mainstays for a while and possible main event Mania. It listed two guys, Benjamin and Orton. Orton has lived up to that hype, Benjamin has not and he is on a push by push basis. It would be a good match, but Brutus gets the W.
 
I used to love Beefcake when I was a kid, but now I'm not so hot on him. In hindsight, he was all right, and the only real highlight of his career was beating Mr. Perfect at WM VI. Man, this is a tough one, as I actually think Shelton Benjamin is better. But, in his prime, Beefcake hardly ever lost, and I don't think his prime would fail him in this instance.

Pick: Beefcake
 
this is an easy one: Beefcake...shelton benjamin is downright terrible...hes never main evented a PPV........let alone Summerslam or Starrcade....he blows on the microphone...the man dyes his hair and is STILL NOTHING....beefcake ended Perfect's winning streak...benjamin? he'll continue his MITB losing streak. beefcake wins.
 
One of the most overrated versus one of the most underrated. Brutus Beefcake is an absolutely awful, just plain God awful. Beefcake did absolutely nothing with his career with the exception of a WWF Tag Team Championship reign with Greg Valentine. Benjamin has had reigns as IC champ, US champ and WWE tag champ. I admit that those reigns aren't as prestigious as they once would have been, but it's not Benjamin's fault that the WWE devotes almost all of it's effort to promoting the WWE and World Championships. Benjamin is a great athlete, has legitimate wrestling skill and still has great potential. Benjamin's legacy, in my view, will ultimately be one of those tremendous athletes with great potential but never really got his chance to shine. Still, that's better than being another no talent backstage and real life flunky to Hulk Hogan.
 
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