WWE New York, Round 1, Match 6: 28 Shelton Benjamin vs. #37. Brutus Beefcake
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klunderbunker
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This is a tough one. Love him or hate him, Beefcake was an interesting case. He hardly ever lost when you think about it. he's also a big guy at 275. The power game is there for him. I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I think I'm going with the Barber. Shelton is solid, but his US title reign was terrible and i on't think he's ever won a really big match. He's lost quite a few though. The barber it is.
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I love Shelton's athleticism but besides that he's got nothing. Beefcake was the first to pin Hennig in a televised match and had a good feud with Hogan in WCW. The only noticeable win Shelton can claim is beating HHH numerous times in 2004. I thought he was on the rise when he had that match with HBK in 2005 but hasn't done anything since that's memorable. Beefcake will use his power to overcome Benjamin.
I hopeto God that Jake's backing of Beefcake stops this from being a rout. Benjamin is the darling of WrestleZone, and I can't understand why. He's athletic, but he's hardly very fast, and considering he was slated to go to the olympics he isn't as good technically as he should be.
Beefcake tended to get the job done, and although he doesn't have the championships that Benjamin does, but he was scheduled to win the IC title twice, but bad luck prevented him from doing so. Benjamin had a few fluke wins over HHH but he never really capitalised on them, whereas Bruti spent most of his career feuding with people like Savage, and Mr. Perfect who he became the first person to beat.
Beefcake tended to get the job done, and although he doesn't have the championships that Benjamin does, but he was scheduled to win the IC title twice, but bad luck prevented him from doing so. Benjamin had a few fluke wins over HHH but he never really capitalised on them, whereas Bruti spent most of his career feuding with people like Savage, and Mr. Perfect who he became the first person to beat.
How can anyone vote for Beefcake? He was a popular wrestler, but the only good person he ever beat was Mr Perfect. He never won a singles title in any promotion, with the exception of a couple years in the WWE he was never anything more then a jobber to the stars.
Shelton on the other hand has held the IC title 3 times and the US title once. He has victories over Triple H, Chris Jericho, Christian, Ric Flair, Randy Orton, and RVD. Not all of those guys were in their prime when he beat them, but they are still impressive victories.
Shelton is 6'2 248 and he is faster then most people his size. Even if everything you said was true it's not like Beefcake was fast, athletic, or very technically sound.
Benjamin defeated Brock Lesnar in an amateur wrestling match so he has more then enough strength to compete with Beefcake.
Actually when you think about it he hardly ever won. He lost a lot of matches to a lot of people, especially in WCW.
Beefcake feuded with big names because he was popular, but when it came to the matches he rarely won. You'd think that with all the time he spent wrestling he would be able to win at least one singles title, but he didn't. Beefcake would keep it close but in the end Shelton's athleticism would be too much and he'd get the win after hitting Paydirt.
Shelton on the other hand has held the IC title 3 times and the US title once. He has victories over Triple H, Chris Jericho, Christian, Ric Flair, Randy Orton, and RVD. Not all of those guys were in their prime when he beat them, but they are still impressive victories.
Shelton is 6'2 248 and he is faster then most people his size. Even if everything you said was true it's not like Beefcake was fast, athletic, or very technically sound.
Benjamin defeated Brock Lesnar in an amateur wrestling match so he has more then enough strength to compete with Beefcake.
Actually when you think about it he hardly ever won. He lost a lot of matches to a lot of people, especially in WCW.
Beefcake feuded with big names because he was popular, but when it came to the matches he rarely won. You'd think that with all the time he spent wrestling he would be able to win at least one singles title, but he didn't. Beefcake would keep it close but in the end Shelton's athleticism would be too much and he'd get the win after hitting Paydirt.
Lee
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Ah Shelton, Shelton, Shelton! One of the worst US Champs ever, rarely defended it was. One of the most over rated individuals to ever step in the ring, he impresses me once a year in MiTB and a three month gap five years ago, apart from that nothing. An amateur win over Lesnar is squat compared to a kayfabe pro loss to Beefcake.I always wonder how much love Benjamin would get if he was white, I mean if you had a wrestler who had wasted as many pushes as Benjamin in the past five years who was white he'd have been released, kind of reverse racism really if you ask me.
Once again people make the argument that Shelton sucks because he doesn't ever make it to the main event with his pushes. It's not his fault the WWE always stops his pushes. He always goes out and has great matches. His mic skills might not be good but that means jack shit in a wrestling match. Shelton does everything in the ring better then Beefcake. He's more athletic, he's quicker, he's stronger, he has more tenacity. Shelton is flat out better then Beefcake and that is why he wins.
Lee
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How is it WWEs fault that Benjamin can not make the step? Really...delusions of grandeur. Ignore his alleged athelticism which very rarely see and what do you have? Nothing. Beefcake was consistent something Benjamin is not, mic skills have fuck all to do with it, or else I'd be backing Santino Marella to win this tournament.
How is Benjamin flat out better than Beefcake?
Beefcake at his peak would decimate Benjamin at his 3 month peak in 2004....you mock Beefcake for being a tag wrestler, when Benjamin should have stayed in said division.
How is Benjamin flat out better than Beefcake?
Beefcake at his peak would decimate Benjamin at his 3 month peak in 2004....you mock Beefcake for being a tag wrestler, when Benjamin should have stayed in said division.
Mighty NorCal
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No, Shelton sucks becuase he sucks. I cant count HOW many times Ive said "wow they ALMOST pulled off the sickest spot ever, but it got fucked up" after a high spot Benjamin match. What has he EVER done of note?? Nothing. Id say right now is his overall prime. Long US title reighn, and the best overall he has ever been.
Beefcake on the other hand, was a Main Eventer during the golden age of Hulkamania. He starred on numerous Wrestlemania's. He holds victories over Mr.Perfect. There is a very very small amount of guys I would vote Shelton over in this match, and Beefcake isnt one of them.
Beefcake on the other hand, was a Main Eventer during the golden age of Hulkamania. He starred on numerous Wrestlemania's. He holds victories over Mr.Perfect. There is a very very small amount of guys I would vote Shelton over in this match, and Beefcake isnt one of them.
What did Beefcake do besides his one victory over Mr Perfect? Not shit. He never won anything. He was a jobber to the stars and Hogans lackey for the majority of his career. Shelton at least has some wins over big name talent.
Main Eventer my ass. He was in the main event of 2 pay per views over his 8 years in the WWE; Summerslam 89 and Wrestlemania 9, and both of those were as Hogans partner. If it wasn't for Hogan Beefcake would have never even sniffed the main event.
I don't know what your definition of "starred" is , but if it's one good match with Mr Perfect and one major tag match with Hogan then yes he "starred" on a few Wrestlemanias.
Yep you got me. It's because he's black. Ignore the title reigns and all the great matches he's has with the likes of Triple H, HBK, Chris Jericho, and Christian. He's better because he's black and Beefcake is white. Great job making this into a race issue even though my argument never insinuated that at all.
Beefcake never decimated anyone in his whole career so there is no way he would decimate Benjamin.
Main Eventer my ass. He was in the main event of 2 pay per views over his 8 years in the WWE; Summerslam 89 and Wrestlemania 9, and both of those were as Hogans partner. If it wasn't for Hogan Beefcake would have never even sniffed the main event.
I don't know what your definition of "starred" is , but if it's one good match with Mr Perfect and one major tag match with Hogan then yes he "starred" on a few Wrestlemanias.
Yep you got me. It's because he's black. Ignore the title reigns and all the great matches he's has with the likes of Triple H, HBK, Chris Jericho, and Christian. He's better because he's black and Beefcake is white. Great job making this into a race issue even though my argument never insinuated that at all.
Beefcake never decimated anyone in his whole career so there is no way he would decimate Benjamin.
Mighty NorCal
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hm...how many main events has Shelton been in on PPV?? Oh yea zero. Funny that. When Beefcake was involved in them, it was back when there was only 2 or 3 PPV shows a year. Which makes it an even bigger descrepency between what the two have accomplished.
Mighty NorCal
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It also doesnt change the fact that everyone totally bought it.
Now could Shelton tag With John Cena Vs Big Show and Jericho and have everyone buy it?? Fuck no he couldt. So the point is irrelevant.
Now could Shelton tag With John Cena Vs Big Show and Jericho and have everyone buy it?? Fuck no he couldt. So the point is irrelevant.
When Shelton had his first major push as a face on RAW they could have put him with someone like HBK against two major heels and people would have bought it. But it's nearly impossible to compare because during the Hulkamania era anyone could have teamed with Hogan and they would have bought it. You could have put Jim Duggan, Koko B Ware, or any other face that was over with the fans and teamed him up with Hogan during that period and it would have worked.
Mighty NorCal
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Well, both of those guys could work the crowd ten times better than benjamin could.
And as a tag team in the ME of SummerSlam?? Hardly.
IF Shelton is so great, then tell me, why is it no one gives a fuck about him? And The Beefster received resounding pops regardless of the year or event??
Okay, fair point. How many championship belts has Beefcake held? He hasn't held any. Benjamin hasn't headlined a pay per view, and Beefcake hasn't held a title. I think that holding a championship is more significant than being in a main event. Besides, wasn't Benjamin in the SmackDown Main Event at Unforgiven? The scramble?
Mighty NorCal
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1. and HOW many titles are there now??? as opposed to then?? 100 to 3??
2. Main event as in the REAL main event. Last match f the night. Thought you were slick on that one eh??
...that match was also contested after the rosters had been split, with 6 guys in it, including Brian Kendrick. Itll be rough sailing if you would like to base arguments off the scramble matchHe has technically been in a main event at a pay per view, though. What did they say on SmackDown prior to Unforgiven? They called it their Main Event, which is true. He was in his brand's most important match of the night. Brutus does have the edge in main events, but he still never did win a title. He had opportunity for Tag (In WWF and WCW), Intercontinental, WWF Heavyweight, United States, and the WCW Heavyweight. That's quite a few opportunities to win a title.
When he was a face there were a lot of people who liked Shelton, but as a heel you are right no one ever got behind him like other major heels ie: Edge and Jericho. That's probably because to draw heat as a heel you have to be able to talk. As we all know Benjamin isn't a great talker and he doesn't get many opportunities to talk.
Beefcake was always over as a face because he had a gimmick that people liked. It's the same reason that guys like Duggan, Koko, JYD, and Hillbilly Jim were over. But with the exception of JYD I don't think any of those guys could beat Benjamin. The WWE also appealed to a different type of fan back when Beefcake was around. If a guy was given a good gimmick and could interact well with the fans then he would be popular.
Mighty NorCal
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Like I says. Different times. So your trying to tell me the third to last match at unforgiven is of the same prestige as ME when there was 3 PPVs a year??
and I dont want technicality. I dont give a shit what they said on SD. It wasnt the Main event of the show (the PPV)
Lee
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You can't class Benjamin being in the scramble as a ME...there was the Raw scramble as the ME, heck even the Divas title was after the SD Scramble. That's right the WWE DIVAS TITLE WAS MORE OF A MAIN EVENT THAN THE SD! MAIN TITLE!!! Benjamin was one of only two not to make a pin in that match, the other having a losing streak gimmick, who incidentally beat Benjamin for the US title last week...not looking good!
Friends with Hogan or not, its irrelevant. Are you seriously implying that we ignore all backstage alliances and so on. If that's the case, don't think about voting for Shawn Michaels. Or Triple H. Or Steve Austin. Or Hulk Hogan. In fact, just don't bother voting because everyone has had their pushed for a reason, usually it has something to do with politics behind the curtain.
Every single wrestler in history if given a push that takes off, has been carried onwards and upwards. Take somebody like Mankind. He was a career midcarder, but the whole Socko ere thing took off, and then he became world champion. They give you an inch, and if you do well they give you a mile.
Shelton Benjamin has ceased to amaze during every single one of his pushes so far. There are people saying he will win MITB this year, but it won't happen because he cannot generate heat better than anyone else in the match. As a result his pushes have essentially involved giving him the title, then taking it off him a bit later with nothing in between.
If Benjamin was working to the capacity of his physical abilities, I'd put him over here, but he isn't and never does because he is a lazy performer. Benjamin loses here because even in his prime, you wouldn't know which one was going to turn up, the lazy Shelton or the athletic one. With Brutus, you got consistant performances always.
Every single wrestler in history if given a push that takes off, has been carried onwards and upwards. Take somebody like Mankind. He was a career midcarder, but the whole Socko ere thing took off, and then he became world champion. They give you an inch, and if you do well they give you a mile.
Shelton Benjamin has ceased to amaze during every single one of his pushes so far. There are people saying he will win MITB this year, but it won't happen because he cannot generate heat better than anyone else in the match. As a result his pushes have essentially involved giving him the title, then taking it off him a bit later with nothing in between.
If Benjamin was working to the capacity of his physical abilities, I'd put him over here, but he isn't and never does because he is a lazy performer. Benjamin loses here because even in his prime, you wouldn't know which one was going to turn up, the lazy Shelton or the athletic one. With Brutus, you got consistant performances always.
Please don't compare Beefcake to Austin, Hogan, Triple H, and HBK. Yes everyone needs help to make it to the main event, but Beefcake was in ONE main event. Those other guys have been main eventers for years.
Consistent performance and consistent losing when he wasn't teaming with Hogan.
Mighty NorCal
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he won at Wrestlemania, in singles competition.
Has Shelton ever done that?? Also, as I said before, The Beefster was insanely over. No one gives a flying rats ass about Shelton benjamin. If they wouldve allowed him a motorcycle entrance as I suggested so long ago, then it might be different. Alas, its not. Beefcake FTW
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