But he's not World Champ.
Wrestlemania 31 main event confirmed....
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OYDK
King Of The Ring
Dude, WHO CARES? A grander scale and rarity of presence has NOTHING to do with in ring ability. How many times Swagger or Henry or Cena has been dominated has NOTHING to do with in-ring ability. Do you have a fucking comprehension problem?
Because it doesn't give an explanantion of Lesnar's in ring prowess at all? All it says is Lensar says what he's going to do and than does it. How does that relate to Lesnar's wrestling ability?
Um, I wasn't the guy that said a story is everything... That was that Live Maz guy soooo....
WHAT? No man. What you're talking about is mic skills, which ONCE AGAIN have nothing to do with in-ring WRESTLING ability. So because Heyman can cut the best promo in the world and get cheered for it, that makes him a great in-ring competitor?
Yup. Why do you think people say John Cena sucks as a wrestler? Because he does the same 4 moves every match (much like Lesnar). The fact that Ziggler has a vast repertoire of moves IS what makes him a great wrestler, along with some other aspects. Young Bucks are TEN TIMES better wrestlers than the LOD were. I think you're crossing the lines between kayfabe and reality here. Yes in a way LOD were better "wrestlers" because they had more championships and are in the top 3 teams of all time. But in the ring, wrestling wise, The Young Bucks are far more talented than the LOD ever were.
Austin was a better in ring wrestler than Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero? You're friggin mucked kid.
Again, MUCKED.
Just because the crowd pops for everything that Ziggler does, does not make every move in his matches a "spot". The fact that the crowd is always electric when Zigglers in a match makes him better.
No, when Brock Lesnar makes an appearance for 5 minutes, his presence is what gets him over. When Brock Lesnars music hits before a match, his presence is in full shine. Once the match starts, presence wears off and ability takes over which is why his matches are considerably more quiet than when Lesnar makes an appearance on Raw. Comprende?
Not an in-ring story. Yeah you have a comprehension problem.
The fuck is an in-ring story?
#hamler
That's all folks.
But... HE KNOWS MORE MOVES.
#hamler
That's all folks.
I was gonna reply, but then I saw this....
...which ultimately discredits every statement you'll ever make again.
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
LOD was a great tag team. One of the greatest in history next to the steiners.
But seperately, they weren't good wrestlers. As single competitors.
I have to agree, the young bucks were better wrestlers than LOD. But the young bucks will probably never achieved the success as LOD.
LOD are more successful than young bucks.
But arent better wrestlers.
But seperately, they weren't good wrestlers. As single competitors.
I have to agree, the young bucks were better wrestlers than LOD. But the young bucks will probably never achieved the success as LOD.
LOD are more successful than young bucks.
But arent better wrestlers.
OYDK
King Of The Ring
Dude, you said Austin had more in-ring ability than Guerrero, Benoit, and Jericho and said Cena was a better wrestler than Ziggler. THAT discredits everyhting you'll ever say.
And obviously you can't comprehend the basics of which I'm saying. A CASUAL fan would know what in-ring ability is but obviously you have no clue.
Btw LOD were garbage wrestlers. You have no clue what you're saying.
OYDK
King Of The Ring
Story being told in the ring during a match? Have you never heard of this? (Serious question, no douchey motives)
That's called working the crowd. There's no story told in matches. Just methods to get a crowd to care about a match.
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
Ring ability, Ziggler wrestles better than 90% of the roster except for a rare few. Ziggler overselling is good. Rock, rvd and others oversold just like ziggler but no one says shit about them.
Ziggler has the potential to be a top player in wwe, if given a chance. He isn't bad on the mic, if you let him be himself.
Cena is a garbage wrestler. A disgrace to the sport.
austin can wrestler. But not as good as jericho, benoit and malenko. Austin used to be one of the top technical wrestlers before he get hurt.
Ziggler has the potential to be a top player in wwe, if given a chance. He isn't bad on the mic, if you let him be himself.
Cena is a garbage wrestler. A disgrace to the sport.
austin can wrestler. But not as good as jericho, benoit and malenko. Austin used to be one of the top technical wrestlers before he get hurt.
Must be why Cena makes so much money for the company, right? He breaks PPV records yearly, more requested than anyone for appearances, mild crossover success in film and music, lasted longer than Steve Austin or The Rock as a top star, has a laundry list of incredible matches, he must fucking suck.
#hamler
That's all folks.
Except that wrestling is all about invoking an emotional response from a crowd during your performances. It's not about the moves you do, not even a little bit.
You're saying Ziggler is better at doing movez than Brock Lesnar. I think that's pretty obvious. You're just not grasping the concept of what a wrestler really is.
Once again, lol.
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
Must be why Cena makes so much money for the company, right? He breaks PPV records yearly, more requested than anyone for appearances, mild crossover success in film and music, lasted longer than Steve Austin or The Rock as a top star, has a laundry list of incredible matches, he must fucking suck.
Here we go
He is making money in an era where wrestling isn't as popular and relevant now.
He lasted longer than austin and rock. But isn't as successful as austin and rock.
cena movies and music arent good.
Cena IMO his matches aren't good or incredible. their decent at best.
Cena gets carried by anyone he is with. Only time cena carried someone was against an out of shape rock at wrestlemania. But rock improved since then.
Wow. John Cena must be the luckiest motherfucker in history if he's been carried by wrestlers for 10 years of pure success. It's clear your opinion is as accurate as your piss poor spelling. Your opinion in if his matches are good or not is irrelevant. They were, are and will be successful and you're just gonna have to suck eggs for being dumb.Here we go
He is making money in an era where wrestling isn't as popular and relevant now.
He lasted longer than austin and rock. But isn't as successful as austin and rock.
cena movies and music arent good.
Cena IMO his matches aren't good or incredible. their decent at best.
Cena gets carried by anyone he is with. Only time cena carried someone was against an out of shape rock at wrestlemania. But rock improved since then.
Good Golly It's Ollie
Magical Girl
Here we go
He is making money in an era where wrestling isn't as popular and relevant now.
He lasted longer than austin and rock. But isn't as successful as austin and rock.
cena movies and music arent good.
Cena IMO his matches aren't good or incredible. their decent at best.
Cena gets carried by anyone he is with. Only time cena carried someone was against an out of shape rock at wrestlemania. But rock improved since then.
Hello there friend
I like your skilled use of smileys, very inventive
Also I am amused by how you seem to think that because wrestling generally is less popular than in 1999, that means Cena specifically is instinctively worse than Austin or Rock. While your assessment that Cena is objectively an inferior actor to an actor who's been to drama school and knows method and shit definitely holds water, I fail to see how that is relevant to a discussion about wrestling - an area in which Cena performs most admirably.You seem to believe that wrestling is worse therefore the top dog is worse when in truth there is little correlation between the two. Also I'm fairly certain Cena is a proportionally bigger draw compared to the roster of his time when measured against the draw of Austin and the awesome midcard mainstream roster of his own time.
Cena has a new colour of t-shirt every six months whereas Steve just had a bunch of skulls and stuff. I'm sure you can imagine which the families that WWE caters to now prefer.In an earlier post in this thread you assert that "Cena is a garbage wrestler" but I have the suspicion that in the PG era, there are fewer hardcore/gimmick matches than there were in the Attitude Era.
I would remind you that to a lot of people, "garbage wrestler" means "one who predominantly participates in deathmatches or similar" such as Mick Foley or those CZW guys, rather than "a shit wrestler". You are most welcome that I have endeavoured to clarify this for you.I'm sure you must have missed Cena vs. Punk at Money in the Bank 2011, because that match is one I consider incredible. Due to Cena as much as Punk. It takes two to tango after all.
It was wonderful to have the opportunity to reply to a great poster like yourself
Have a nice day!Good Golly It's Ollie
Magical Girl
Okay mate, while I am a fan of Dolph Ziggler, invested in his character and abilities, and believe him to be underrated by the WZ userbase at large, I am not so certain of myself as to think that his matches are more exciting than anything involving the main-event caliber superstars. While at one time it was possible Dolph could have ascended to that level, I believe that time is past and it's not worth getting into discussions with people about it any more. He's a utility wrestler from here on most likely.
Lesnar however has a "legit tough ass mothafucka" vibe, if you'll pardon the crude terminology. He is more over than Dolph and the majority of the fanbase would be more interested in a main event involving him. It's just how it is.
Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from, but you can't argue with the bigger draw really.
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
I find this thread hilarious lol
I state my opinion lol And get bashed. I find it funny
Not in a English class lol spelling and grammar irrelevant.
Its all good.
lol so many wwe marks on this thread.
Just laughing
I state my opinion lol And get bashed. I find it funny
Not in a English class lol spelling and grammar irrelevant.
Its all good.
lol so many wwe marks on this thread.
Just laughing
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
Hello there friend
I like your skilled use of smileys, very inventive
You seem to believe that wrestling is worse therefore the top dog is worse when in truth there is little correlation between the two. Also I'm fairly certain Cena is a proportionally bigger draw compared to the roster of his time when measured against the draw of Austin and the awesome midcard mainstream roster of his own time.
In an earlier post in this thread you assert that "Cena is a garbage wrestler" but I have the suspicion that in the PG era, there are fewer hardcore/gimmick matches than there were in the Attitude Era.
I'm sure you must have missed Cena vs. Punk at Money in the Bank 2011, because that match is one I consider incredible. Due to Cena as much as Punk. It takes two to tango after all.
It was wonderful to have the opportunity to reply to a great poster like yourself
if u say soI find this hilarious lol
Typical wwe mark lol
#hamler
That's all folks.
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
Good Golly It's Ollie
Magical Girl
I find this thread hilarious lol
I state my opinion lol And get bashed. I find it funny
Not in a English class lol spelling and grammar irrelevant.
Its all good.
lol so many wwe marks on this thread.
Just laughing
Me too matey, me too. Isn't it great that we can disagree about what makes good wrestling yet still get on so well? Have a can of coke buddy, you deserve it. Also just to let you know, bashing opinions is what happens on the internet. You say something, I happen to disagree and explain why, then I say something and you disagree. But as you put it, it's all good. It's how we learn to reason after all
Also, I freely admit to being a WWE mark. After all, it is the best and most prolific wrestling company in the world. Have I also mentioned that I am a massive fan of Randy Orton, Triple H and Vince McMahon?
It's great that you're so understanding.
Do you laugh out loud at everything you read? You must be awkward in public.I find this thread hilarious lol
Because opinions can be wrong.
If you want to make your point come off seriously and you want to be seen as smart, then yes, grammar is relevant.
If you say so.
So many twits that use the word "mark" as if it were bad. And out of proper context too.
We get it, you're a hyena.
FromGlasgow
Championship Contender
Wrestlemania 31 will be
Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar
Sting vs Triple H
Dean Ambrose vs Seth Rollins vs Roman Reigns
Hulk Hogan doing something with Rusev
Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar
Sting vs Triple H
Dean Ambrose vs Seth Rollins vs Roman Reigns
Hulk Hogan doing something with Rusev
Darkshadow1234
Pre-Show Stalwart
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
This was a fun read. I have to give some credit - there are probably a solid 10,000 or so fans who buy Ziggler over Lesnar... and all of those idiots will be at WrestleMania... watching Lesnar main event against someone not named Ziggler.
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