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Why must Triple H always get involved?

HHH got involved with Punk so they could save us from what would have been a god aweful match and storyline between nash and punk. What we got was a great evenly matched contest. , which HHH won only because of outside interference. That's not a burial, or HHH not wanting to lay down. He put Punk over that night, but at the same time, they shifted the storyline. HHH's involvment saved that angle. Del Rio and Nash are the ones that killed the steam. HHH has wrestled 4 matches in two years. Get over it.

I would venture to say that Triple H's involvement is what started that god awful angle in the first place. Why else would a washed up wrestler with two bad knees and well past his prime be involved with Punk in the first place? Oh - that's right. Because Nash is HHH's buddy from the old days. Anyhting to keep the Cliq relevant.
 
All points considered but lets take this another direction....

What if triple h wins?

What difference does it make?

Here's the thing: there's more to wrestling than wins and losses, especially since everything is pre-determined. When Triple H went over CM Punk last summer, it didn't really matter. It's called a "rub." Just by being in the ring with Triple H, CM Punk's stock went up. Similarly, John Cena going against The Rock helped his stock (it was supposed to help Miz and R-Truth's too, but various balls were dropped afterwards).

With regards to HHH and Brock, the winner and loser ultimately don't matter because neither guy will lose any credibility. They're both part-timers. Their only purpose at this point is to put other guys over, either by losing to them or simply associating with them as rivals. Having a primetime rivalry with a legend is really no different than beating them.
 
The only possibility is that HHH hates me and he gets involved because he knows that will cause a lot of people to get on the internet and write some of the most ridiculous shit ever written and then I WILL SUFFER GREATLY FROM READING THROUGH IT.

Or maybe the guy is tremendously talented money maker who has a strong understanding of wrestling and the wrestling business. A guy who has enough power and money to never have to put his body at risk in the ring ever again but chooses to go out and still perform on occassions when the company needs a boost.

Nah, he personally hates me and is punishing me with his decisions.
 
Brock Lesnar just wrestled John Cena. Triple H is the next logical opponent.

It's as simple as that. The OP makes legitimate points about Lesnar and Punk, but the focal point of the equation is actually John Cena. In both cases, Triple H took over the program for him......and it's easy to understand why.

Cena is the undisputed #1 performer in WWE. To completely exhaust his dealings with Punk and Lesnar by having them engage in a series of matches right at the beginning would be counterproductive. Better to leave the fans clamoring for more than to wear things out at the outset. In the case of Lesnar, the company is plainly saving him for the latter stages of his one-year contract: specifically, WM29. With Punk, there's even less of a hurry because he's not going anywhere. Given that, why do Cena-Punk to death now?

Besides all that, John Cena's popularity and persona allow him to be used in so many other ways. Whether you like his ring repertoire or not, his flexibility is such that he could engage in a feud with a popcorn vendor in the arena and make it worth watching. Let's keep the other top guys away from him for awhile; it gives us things to look forward to.

So, who gets Punk and Lesnar after Cena? Obviously, putting them in feuds with Kofi Kingston or Heath Slater isn't going to get anyone excited; it has to be someone who is big enough in his own right to generate tons of heat.

Enter Triple H. He's still a huge name and people are excited to see him. Mainly, though, there's no decrease in interest when you move from Cena to Trips. He's big enough to fight guys like Lesnar and Punk, yet he's seen seldom in the ring and isn't wearing out his welcome.

Triple H no longer wants to be a full-time wrestler, but I'd certainly rather have him around as a "pick his spots" attraction than not at all.
 
HHH is still a top draw in the WWE. And he is a safe bet to make them money when it comes to someone like Brock Lesnar. Brock should not be a WWE title contender with his limited showings so the only logical option is for him to fight a big draw, who has no place in the title picture right now.

Those options are, John Cena, Orton, Undertaker, HHH and sadly that is it.
The whole HHH vs Nash thing kinda pissed me off....because that match was for CM punk....the story made it for CMpunk and he really owed him for costing him the title. I actually have no excuse for this, I dont know why WWE did this stupid mistake.
 
Think about it, he buries the wrestlers and ratings go down, he steps in and ratings go up and he looks like the savior of the company. I'm tired of his ego. Either be a wrestler or a front office guy dont do both. I'm not saying HHH isn't fun to watch or can't wrestle or anything like that because I enjoy his work but enough is enough. Let some other guys get the spotlight.
 
I immediately have to roll my eyes anytime I see someone fail to acknowlege HHH derailing Punk last year. Debate all you want, but he killed that guy's momentum early. That feud was supposed to build up to a boil and then Punk hopefully going over at least once in their feud. Instead HHH had to wrestle (and pin him) months early and then....that's it. Even worse, he teamed up with him right afterwards like they were buddies. Don't give me that crap that Punk got a rub. Punk came off like a crybaby who couldn't get it done.
 
I immediately have to roll my eyes anytime I see someone fail to acknowlege HHH derailing Punk last year. Debate all you want, but he killed that guy's momentum early. That feud was supposed to build up to a boil and then Punk hopefully going over at least once in their feud. Instead HHH had to wrestle (and pin him) months early and then....that's it. Even worse, he teamed up with him right afterwards like they were buddies. Don't give me that crap that Punk got a rub. Punk came off like a crybaby who couldn't get it done.

This all day long. And then the REAL kick in the dick about it is that Punk was riding high on an anti establishment platform in that feud with the match being a "must win or HHH is fired" but HHH makes him do the job KNOWING that the very next night he would be removed ANYFUCKINGWAY. It made ZERO sense for Punk to job.
 
I've talked to some people who haven't watched WWE in about 6 years and yet they are clamoring to watch this match. So apparently it all depends on who you talk to. This match is huge for WWE & Summerslam. And whether you want to admit it or not Triple H can still deliver a great performance.

So what if Triple H wins? Yes he's a part timer nowadays, but he'll be around more next year than Lesnar will be. So god forbid WWE gives the win to someone they can rely on in the future. WWE doesn't owe Lesnar a damn thing. He bailed on them years ago, so they have every right to have put others over during his BRIEF return.



And as far as Triple H killing Punk's momentum... Punk returning as a face is what derailed "the Summer of Punk" He went from fighting the system to joining it. And that slowed him down. But his on again off again feud with Nash did him no favors. And the only reason Hunter was injected into the match was because Nash wasn't cleared to compete. And to get the fans involved in such short notice they put Hunter's job on the line. So of coarse he had to win.
 
I immediately have to roll my eyes anytime I see someone fail to acknowlege HHH derailing Punk last year. Debate all you want, but he killed that guy's momentum early. That feud was supposed to build up to a boil and then Punk hopefully going over at least once in their feud. Instead HHH had to wrestle (and pin him) months early and then....that's it. Even worse, he teamed up with him right afterwards like they were buddies. Don't give me that crap that Punk got a rub. Punk came off like a crybaby who couldn't get it done.

This all day long. And then the REAL kick in the dick about it is that Punk was riding high on an anti establishment platform in that feud with the match being a "must win or HHH is fired" but HHH makes him do the job KNOWING that the very next night he would be removed ANYFUCKINGWAY. It made ZERO sense for Punk to job.

That feud got de-railed because of Kevin Nash's injury. That much is common knowledge at this point. So, yeah, maybe you could argue that Punk should have won that match (I thought he should have, too), but the fact is that none of us have any clue how the rest of that were going to play out (you say it was "supposed to" go a certain way like you were helping write the script). Most feuds have a series of matches and re-matches, but that one they were never able to see through because of all the concerns about Nash's health. So eventually they rushed the HHH/Nash match because there was far more history there than Nash/Punk, even though that may have been what was going on at the time. That angle was hugely flawed, but it wasn't because HHH came in wielding a bunch of power and deliberately crushed Punk's momentum.

Plus, if you recall, Punk had just renewed his contract and in that process been given some level of creative control. He had a say in matters too. Yeah, HHH's say is almost always going to carry more weight, but I have a really hard time believing that, as the ink on his new contract was drying, HHH was plying ways of bringing down their new investment.

And of course, they turned right around and threw the title on him for seven months and running. So any momentum that HHH might have stolen was given right back. (And please, let's not go down the "yeah, but now he's the mid-card champion" route. A year ago people were clamoring for more wrestling and for Punk to be champion and both of those things have happened. Now we have to complain because he wrestles at 9:30 instead of 10:30? I'm as big of a Punk fan as the next guy, but the relentless inability to be pleased with anything is exhausting.)
 
So what if Triple H wins? Yes he's a part timer nowadays, but he'll be around more next year than Lesnar will be. So god forbid WWE gives the win to someone they can rely on in the future. WWE doesn't owe Lesnar a damn thing. He bailed on them years ago, so they have every right to have put others over during his BRIEF return.

But the thing is this isn't about putting anyone over. Both of these guys are over. It's not about who will be around next year, because these wins don't actually mean anything. We all know the result is scripted, so it's not like after Brock is gone HHH will have a real sense of pride in beating Brock. Not a valid one anyway. It just comes down to story, and for me to take Brock seriously as a competitor in the next feud, he can't keep losing every match. Especially when he's already lost to one of WWE's top superstars and HHH is up next. I'm just gonna keep expecting him to lose.
 
I knew it right when he came out in that suit the night after MITB last year....him being a suit meant he would still be on screen 8-10 months a year and would help DRAW with 2-3 matches a year during Mania and during some of the down times of the year for WWE (i.e., Vengeance, TLC last year, August this year)....

Personally I love it. He's an all time great who is elite on the mic and still has something left in the tank when he puts on the trunks.
 
Okay, quick (alleged) history lesson: booked finish to No Way Out - the match itself went exactly as laid out, the aftermath... not so much. Cena was to have been stretchered out as the valiant never say die victor, while Lesnar walked out defeated but looking anything but; in the same design as Taker and Hunter played it last year at WrestleMania to lay the foundation for this year's event. Word has it that Brock was, therefore, extremely pissed when John broke from this and cut a promo after the match, didn't sell the discomfort of the beating he received and walked out easily.

Now, should the above be true, I can fully understand Triple H's current involvement. Brock would be looking appeased and what better way to do that than feed him the one guy that shirked him in his initial WWF run?

Paul Levesque has been accused of many underhanded moves in the past, but I think this is him actually falling on his sword for the good of the company. As such, he needs commended not condemned.
 
I immediately have to roll my eyes anytime I see someone fail to acknowlege HHH derailing Punk last year. Debate all you want, but he killed that guy's momentum early. That feud was supposed to build up to a boil and then Punk hopefully going over at least once in their feud. Instead HHH had to wrestle (and pin him) months early and then....that's it. Even worse, he teamed up with him right afterwards like they were buddies. Don't give me that crap that Punk got a rub. Punk came off like a crybaby who couldn't get it done.

It wasnt Triple H´s decision to work with punk at night of champions.....Kevin Nash confirmed that HE was supposed to go against Punk that night and HHH Punk was supposed to happen at Survivor Series, but since he couldnt wrestler VINCE MADE THE DECISION TO HAVE THE MATCH EARLY, NOT HHH...... PUNK CAME OFF AS THE GUY WHO HAD TO TAKE OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE, A JACKNIFE POWERBOMB AND 3 PEDIGREES TO GO DOWN......
 
This all day long. And then the REAL kick in the dick about it is that Punk was riding high on an anti establishment platform in that feud with the match being a "must win or HHH is fired" but HHH makes him do the job KNOWING that the very next night he would be removed ANYFUCKINGWAY. It made ZERO sense for Punk to job.

he wasnt removed the next night... he was removed almost 2 months later after the walk out happened and Vince removed him from his duties per order of the Board of Directors.....
 
But the thing is this isn't about putting anyone over. Both of these guys are over. It's not about who will be around next year, because these wins don't actually mean anything. We all know the result is scripted, so it's not like after Brock is gone HHH will have a real sense of pride in beating Brock. Not a valid one anyway. It just comes down to story, and for me to take Brock seriously as a competitor in the next feud, he can't keep losing every match. Especially when he's already lost to one of WWE's top superstars and HHH is up next. I'm just gonna keep expecting him to lose.

Wins and Losses dont matter between these 2 because like you said both guys are over, but to the casual fan who still cheer for babyfaces and boo heels, HHH winning is the LOGICAL choice, why? cause the babyface has to win at the end right? brock assaulted hhh, therefore when hhh comes back he has to get revenge?
I also understand that having lesnar lose might cause people not believing he will win his next feud.... I ask why?... out of everybody in wwe right now, lesnar is the only legitimate guy who everyone knows is a badass, 90% of the roster dont even deserve to be in the ring with him, so he really doesnt NEED wins in order to be viewed as legitimate.

finally, why would HHH needs to job to a guy who past wrestlemania wont be here? Lesnar has no love for the wwe, hes currently at home getting paid to do nothing while every month he recieves a part of his 5 million dollars..... why would you invest something in a guy like that, if anything use his star power to boost EVERYONE in your company that will stay in it after Lesnar´s deal expires in 9 months.
 
I don't know if anyone has already answered the question, but Trips' involvement with both Punk and Lesnar has been down to his position in the company now. He's an authority figure who is still that damn good in the ring and is still a draw.

Lesnar pummeled the be-jesus out of Cena, it seems they might be saving Taker for Mania (though I think that could be a horrible match) and it'd be hard to buy little Punk withstanding as much of a beating as Cena could. Orton could have been an option if it hadn't been for his suspension, so HHH is the best choice. He's still an authority figure, is renowned for his mean streak and can give as good as he gets.

So long story short, Trips' is the go to guy, because he's that damn good.
 
Wins and Losses dont matter between these 2 because like you said both guys are over, but to the casual fan who still cheer for babyfaces and boo heels, HHH winning is the LOGICAL choice, why? cause the babyface has to win at the end right? brock assaulted hhh, therefore when hhh comes back he has to get revenge?
I also understand that having lesnar lose might cause people not believing he will win his next feud.... I ask why?... out of everybody in wwe right now, lesnar is the only legitimate guy who everyone knows is a badass, 90% of the roster dont even deserve to be in the ring with him, so he really doesnt NEED wins in order to be viewed as legitimate.

finally, why would HHH needs to job to a guy who past wrestlemania wont be here? Lesnar has no love for the wwe, hes currently at home getting paid to do nothing while every month he recieves a part of his 5 million dollars..... why would you invest something in a guy like that, if anything use his star power to boost EVERYONE in your company that will stay in it after Lesnar´s deal expires in 9 months.


THANK YOU, I agree 100%. Ever since Cena won I have been crying out that this exact point. It was the right decision! That one victory solidified that a WWE superstar can hang with the best of the UFC. And I for one don't give a crap if Lesnar wins any of his matches. Milk that cow and send him on his way.
 
But the thing is this isn't about putting anyone over. Both of these guys are over. It's not about who will be around next year, because these wins don't actually mean anything. We all know the result is scripted, so it's not like after Brock is gone HHH will have a real sense of pride in beating Brock. Not a valid one anyway. It just comes down to story, and for me to take Brock seriously as a competitor in the next feud, he can't keep losing every match. Especially when he's already lost to one of WWE's top superstars and HHH is up next. I'm just gonna keep expecting him to lose.

Totally agree. I really think that Lesnar will not win a single PPV match in his current run. Vince is still pissed at how he left WWE hanging out to dry in 2004.

Lesnar has a huge legacy in WWE. He won the WWE title, Royal Rumble, the last (legit) King of the Ring, and main evented Wrestlemania all in his first year.
And now that he's back I think Vince wants to bury the fucking shit out of him. Its not smart from a business perspective but hey, its Vince. And I dont think Lesnar cares. He's getting 5 million for 24 appearances.
 
Right so last year we had the great 'Summer of Punk' thing going on that was exciting and fun to watch but Triple H stuck his big nose in and it suddenly went from
Punk being the focal point of the show to HHH.

Then we have the 'End of a Era' match at WM against taker where HHH lost. Now I thought this was a great time for him to bow out and they certainly made it same like that was what was happening then...

LESNAR RETURNED! Everyone was talking and enjoying it. Sure they killed a lot of buzz with cena's win but people still wanted to see Lesnar. Then once again HHH got involved despite zero history between the two and no need for a feud. There is many guys on that roster who could use this as a chance for a rub and creating something fresh and new but no we get the same old HHH WANTS TO FIGHT!

So are people excited about this feud? Do they want to see it? Do people even want to see HHH in this type of programme anymore? And why do you think WWE sees him as the guy for these feuds when there is potentially other guys more suited to be in that progeamme

As mentioned, what other competition would Lesnar have? CM Punk and Sheamus haven't built up a large enough name yet to face someone like Lesnar, and John Cena has already faced him. Triple H and Lesnar has been anticipated since Wrestlemania 21.

Undertaker literally annihilated Triple H at Wrestlemania, so I don't think that necessarily counts, but who else was the Undertaker going to face? It had to be someone from his era in order for the match to count as relevant. It wouldn't have had nearly the hype if he would have faced someone like Daniel Bryan.

Totally agree. I really think that Lesnar will not win a single PPV match in his current run. Vince is still pissed at how he left WWE hanging out to dry in 2004.

Lesnar has a huge legacy in WWE. He won the WWE title, Royal Rumble, the last (legit) King of the Ring, and main evented Wrestlemania all in his first year.
And now that he's back I think Vince wants to bury the fucking shit out of him. Its not smart from a business perspective but hey, its Vince. And I dont think Lesnar cares. He's getting 5 million for 24 appearances.

Lesnar is not scheduled to win a single match in the WWE. He's even supposed to lose at Wrestlemania against the Rock.
 
WWE has Brock Lesnar for an extremely limited amount of time. What we know about his contract is that he's booked for a match at WrestleMania and SummerSlam, and has limited appearances between those two events. There's a chance he doesn't even show up between SummerSlam and the Road to WrestleMania, simply because he doesn't have to! Knowing that Lesnar only has three, possibly four matches in him before he fades into obscurity, what would you do?

A) Book him against a mid-card or upper-mid-card talent that needs a huge push. This could have gone to somebody like Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Zack Ryder, etc etc. But two things definitely come out of this situation: 1) they're going to lose the match, and it's going to look painful, and 2) Brock isn't going to be happy about facing ANYBODY put a top star.

B) Book him against your top draws and milk as much $$ out of his limited appearances as humanly possible. John Cena handled the first match, beating out Brock in an Extreme Rules match I'm glad to say I was in the audience for. So who's left? He's going to face a legend or Hall of Famer at WrestleMania. Probably the Rock, maybe Steve Austin, a long-shot the Undertaker. SO with one or two spots open to face Brock Lesnar, you've got Sheamus, Randy Orton, Triple H, CM Punk and (Maybe) Chris Jericho as your top faces that could get the job done.

The money match is Triple H, and it's as easy as that. The OP may have no interest in seeing Brock Lesnar vs Triple H, but there are a LOT of fans who are dying to see it happen. I personally don't want to see CM Punk take that kind of fall right now, and the idea of Sheamus or Jericho bores me to death. And Randy Orton? Not sure that management is super high on him right about now...

But this thread wasn't completely about Brock Lesnar/HHH, even though it devolved into that. It's about why Triple H keeps coming back and "sticking his big nose in everything". Well, the simplest answer is that he's a professional wrestler. Yes, he's a part of management and a big cog in the machine backstage, but he's also one of the best damn in-ring talents and promo guys pro wrestling has ever seen. He's also still a good draw for both TV ratings and PPV buys, and instantly legitimizes most of the segments he's inserted into.

Vs. Brock Lesnar: Lesnar and Heyman are filing suit against the WWE, and have been causing a general amount of chaos. Is it not the new COO's job to come out, as a boss AND as a wrestler, and straighten things out? I'm not getting into this too much (see: above), but it does make sense from a storyline perspective.

Vs. The Undertaker: HHH returned to face the Undertaker at WrestleMania. This was booked, not surprisingly, as the Deadman calling out the now-business executive and COO Triple H, rather than the previous year's flipped situation. Not only was the build-up to this one of the best things about Raw every single week, but their match was incredible and told one hell of a story. Go ahead and complain that he was taking time away from the young guys on the card, you're an idiot. Probably.

Vs. CM Punk: Why did HHH return to "mess up" Punk's hot streak? In storyline, Punk had taken the WWE Championship, left the company, and in the process had Vince McMahon relieved of his on-screen duties. Triple H, the actual behind-the-scenes guy taking over for VKM, was appointed his successor, which makes perfect sense. Triple H actually put over Punk by giving him a title match against Cena, refereeing the match, and counting his pinfall however invalid it may have been. And then yes, Triple H beat Punk in a match at a PPV, but his job was on the line! Plus, how many people interfered in that match? That match wasn't SUPPOSED to be Triple H "burying" Punk, it was supposed to be them setting up a Punk/Nash match, which simply never happened because of injury and schedule conflicts (thank god). Do you want to know what ruined Punk's run? It wasn't Triple H, it was whoever decided that Alberto del Rio needed to be added to the mix, flip-flopping the title between Punk, ADR and Cena for several months. That's what killed it... Plus, if you'll notice, PUnk isn't dead. He's been WWE Champion since Novemeber, so quit your bitching.

Before this he returned to face the Undertaker for the first (technically second) time, and before that he PUT SHEAMUS OVER and remained out for the better part of a year. Now, somebody please tell me how Triple H has ruined everything ever, and is the root of all of WWE's problems in 2012. I'm begging you.
 
I liked Triple H, for me he will always be the Cerebral Assassin, but honestly, I don't get the whole: "I'm am the C.O.O., but I want to fight!" thing. Is it really necessary? Was it necessary to have him in a ladder match with Kevin Nash? Was it really necessary of him facing CM Punk when Punk was on a roll? Was it really necessary to fight The Undertaker for the second time? Is it really necessary to fight Brock Lesnar right now? I mean you're supposed to be the C.O.O., yet you come in and show up and talk like a regular wrestler. So what's the point of the whole C.O.O. thing? It makes it look ridiculous...
 
I liked Triple H, for me he will always be the Cerebral Assassin, but honestly, I don't get the whole: "I'm am the C.O.O., but I want to fight!" thing. Is it really necessary? Was it necessary to have him in a ladder match with Kevin Nash? Was it really necessary of him facing CM Punk when Punk was on a roll? Was it really necessary to fight The Undertaker for the second time? Is it really necessary to fight Brock Lesnar right now? I mean you're supposed to be the C.O.O., yet you come in and show up and talk like a regular wrestler. So what's the point of the whole C.O.O. thing? It makes it look ridiculous...

Is it really any different than when Vince McMahon was getting in the ring...? Yeah I guess it is, cause Triple H can actually put on a great performance.

I believe WWE has come to terms with the fact that everyone knows Triple H is part of the office now. So rather than hide it, they've chosen to embrace it. Plus this gives Hunter an excuse to only wrestle two/three times a year at this stage of his career.
 
Ill-informed Triple H haters in here. As for the question at hand, he most certainly does not "get involved" all that often anymore. He's only had a handful of appearances throughout the past few years, often around Wrestlemania. Storyline-wise, he's certainly not around that much and not heavily involved in stories anymore, more like a special attraction who appears every one in a while. So to say he's "always involved" is just ludicrous- he's hardly around anymore, and he hardly wrestles.

On top of that, business-wise, it makes absolute sense to have him around as much as possible. If anything, they could and should be using him more due to the lack of top-tier talent in the WWE right now, but he's actually "getting involved" less and less. Again, just the facts.

I also find it funny that so many people attribute Triple H with stopping Punk's "run". I mean, are you kidding me? One loss and that's it? All his steam is gone? You can't be that much of a mark, I mean, c'mon. One loss is just one loss, against a 12-time world champ nonetheless. It doesn't hurt his credibility, nor is he "buried". He was still on top. Blame Punk for him "cooling down", no one else, because it's on him and no one else. But Punk fans find it easier to place the blame elsewhere, and they're flat-out wrong.

Triple H doesn't get involved all that much anymore, and the WWE could use him around more often, but he only limits himself to making special appearances so other guys can develop and have the spotlight. If he comes back every once and a while and beats someone, don't freak out, it's fine. He lets plenty of people go over him, too, such as 'Taker, Sheamus, etc. in the past few years. It's not a problem at all, and it just stems from the blind and unwarranted Triple H hate from people who think they know more than they really do.

Triple H name, avatar and signature. You sound extremely objective.

None of what you said resembles reality. In fact it's pretty much the opposite in reality. Actually, are we sure this isn't Triple H right here, on the forum?
 

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