Why Aren't You Going To Vote For Dagger?

[The Doctor]

You were a failed mod in the wrestling sections. I'm not trying to rile you up, just point out the facts. There was nothing wrong with your work in the graphics section but are we really suggesting that means much? You celebrated the glory of the wrestling sections even though you didn't like the section anymore and I called you out on that at the time. Shortly after you quit because I was right. There isn't anything wrong with it but you thought you could do it and you weren't cut out for it. You could just as easily be wrong here again about what it takes.

This is a fair assessment, though I actually did pretty well with the WWE section for a few months as cleanup mod and just lost interest in the end. I felt I wasn't pulling my weight and no matter what I did could not muster up the effort needed. I actually offered to step down completely, as my philosophy was always "Don't hog a spot if you aren't willing to put in the work". Sly, however, decided to only put me back in Graphics, and the rest of the story is known.

I say that I don't feel Dagger is cut out for it because of the reasons Coco stated. I see myself in him, the bad parts. Eagerness is a good trait to have, but in moderation. There is such a thing as being TOO eager, especially when someone like Dagger has no real idea of the expectations of someone on the mod team. All the mods had to start somewhere, and they all made mistakes with the rulebook when starting off. Dagger, however, has been making those mistakes for a very long time in his reported posts and no amount of redirection has changed him.

Again - I want to be wrong. But Dagger's done nothing to prove to me that I am.

 

[shattered dreams]

I think the desire is all you need. If Nate can do a passable job then anyone can. Dagger has the desire and you didn't. I'd be much more likely to peg Crock as having the desire for the wrong reasons.

 

[Gelgarin]

I really think insufficient weight is being given to the fact that Dagger is a massive tool.

 

[Coco]

So Habs doesn't think Dagger is a challenge and LSN gets a broner at the thought of modding alongside me. Is that the kind of unity Habs has been waxing on about?

 

[DirtyJosé]

Dagger strikes me as the kind of guy that should be focusing on getting his life somewhere more stable. I see him talk about offering to read the forums online on his breaks at work, just to give that little extra, and all I can think about is how he should probably take that ambition and dedication and put it to use elsewhere in his life. Finally, if one can't tell the difference between Coco using the report button incorrectly in jest and Dagger dickriding the button in seriousness, you should probably just leave this conversation and go back to the kid's table.

 

[shattered dreams]

The rules are the rules Bastion. If we want to get into the why then I don't think that favors Coco either. It is much easier to learn the rules than it is to change your instinct. Intentionally breaking the rules for your own amusement hardly seems like something to be celebrated. I think if Coco gets elected we would have a somewhat entertaining couple of weeks until he got fired. Is that really worth it to me? Possibly.

It does amuse me the difference in reaction between when genericposter1231924&*$@ debates if something was spam/abuse of power or not and when mods and other supposed respected posters do.

 

[D-Man]

Since when do you need to be a mod to "generate discussion"? Mods responsibilities should consist of enforcing the rules (which according to JGlass he doesn't even understand), & keep their section clean of spam.

Not all of this is true.

SEE: Jack-Hammer

Also when was the last time Dagger generated an discussion?

This is a point that should be listened to.

 

[Harthan]

This is a point that should be listened to.

Relevant to this point is one I made in JGlass's thread. The man who would be WWE mod has made four WWE threads in the last seven months.

 

[shattered dreams]

Relevant to this point is one I made in JGlass's thread. The man who would be WWE mod has made four WWE threads in the last seven months.

Twice as many as Crock.

 

[D-Man]

I posted this in another thread but it seems more relevant in here:

Encouraging other posters to post more using green rep (which, in the grand scheme of things, green rep is meaningless but) can be beneficial. However, the recipients of the encouragement should look at the sender as being worthy of such encouragement. Sure, newer members see Dagger's post count and 2008 arrival date and assume he's someone who knows his shit, inside and out, whether they're right or wrong.

Now, Dagger is smart in spreading this to newer members since he's left a bad taste in the mouths of our veteran members. New members are constantly created on here and the law of large numbers will eventually prevail in terms of newer posters versus veteran posters. However, the staff knows that there is MUCH more to modding than popularity. So, although skewed, I understand Dagger's intentions.

All that being said, I can't help but back up JGlass on all of his other negative claims towards Dagger. Regardless of what you guys think, Dagger is nowhere near ready to moderate Wrestlezone forums. The examples JGlass gave in the other Dagger thread are all 100% true. As a matter of fact, I've had to PM Dagger on more than one occasion on behalf of the staff, telling him to cool his jets on his awful judgment and demeanor.

And his excessive and unimportant Video Games threads are almost laughable. It's like every thought that pops in his head in regards to a video game needs to be put on paper in the form of a simple thread. They draw little to no interest or traffic. And if his self-proclaimed "expertise" is in the VG&T section, why is he lobbying to moderate the Wrestling sections?

Sorry, Dagger... It's just a bad case of a nice guy finishing last. Only this time, it's deserved.

 

[D-Man]

Twice as many as Crock.

I guess we should write them BOTH off then, shouldn't we?

 

[The Crock]

Except for, you know, I never masqueraded as a guy who would generate miles and miles of discussion. I do my fair share of posting, I just don't start many threads. That doesn't mean I never have, though.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I still don't get Jack-Hammer. Seems like a nice enough guy, fairly intelligent, but he's just sort of there. What use is there in discussing wrestling if we're not going to try to add some pizazz?

 

[Coco]

The rules are the rules Bastion. If we want to get into the why then I don't think that favors Coco either. It is much easier to learn the rules than it is to change your instinct. Intentionally breaking the rules for your own amusement hardly seems like something to be celebrated. I think if Coco gets elected we would have a somewhat entertaining couple of weeks until he got fired. Is that really worth it to me? Possibly.

IC25 once banned me as part of a practical joke. D-Man got hot one day and banned Zeven just because he could. Slyfox has been known to use his power to fuck with people when he gets bored. Unless my opposition is going to get up in arm about the instincts of these guys, I'm not going to take another word knocking my own instincts seriously.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Ah, that ritual of signing up and finding out this place and thinking that Dagger is some sort of respected poster only to learn the awful truth in time. It's like waking up Christmas morning to find a load of wet shit in your stocking.

 

[D-Man]

I still don't get Jack-Hammer. Seems like a nice enough guy, fairly intelligent, but he's just sort of there. What use is there in discussing wrestling if we're not going to try to add some pizazz?

Jack-Hammer is probably THE best thread starter on Wrestlezone. He doesn't need pizazz. He has ideas, he formulates them perfectly, follows our rules, and constantly contributes to both his own wrestling threads and just about every other one on the forum. That's enough for me.

 

[DirtyJosé]

IC25 once banned me as part of a practical joke. D-Man got hot one day and banned Zeven just because he could. Slyfox has been known to use his power to fuck with people when he gets bored. Unless my opposition is going to get up in arm about the instincts of these guys, I'm not going to take another word knocking my own instincts seriously.

Don't forget klunderbunker putting dudes in Prison just for the lulz.

 

[shattered dreams]

I guess we should write them BOTH off then, shouldn't we?

I suppose that is an option but if you read what he wrote he clearly stated non-spam WWE wasn't his whole agenda and he has started 60 non-spam non-wrestling threads.

I see you said something about popularity not equating to a good mod. Seems plausible but then you might want to work on that board room solidarity because Sly made it very clear this IS a popularity contest. If he wanted to let you groupthink gargoyles pick a mod then I am sure he would have just done that. Save your ivory tower politics for those situations. I didn't have much interest in Dagger until I saw who was saying what about him. Now I am intrigued.

 

[The Crock]

I suppose that is an option but if you read what he wrote he clearly stated non-spam WWE wasn't his whole agenda and he has started 60 non-spam non-wrestling threads.

I see you said something about popularity not equating to a good mod. Seems plausible but then you might want to work on that board room solidarity because Sly made it very clear this IS a popularity contest. If he wanted to let you groupthink gargoyles pick a mod then I am sure he would have just done that. Save your ivory tower politics for those situations. I didn't have much interest in Dagger until I saw who was saying what about him. Now I am intrigued.

He still said he wants to be WWE mod, though, which is fine, but then he said he wanted to drive discussion. Nate's a mod, rarely starts threads, but he doesn't pretend he's going to drive discussion either.

Hell, if we're going to start counting threads in every section, I'm pretty sure I have a solid 40 waiting to be cashed in throughout the archives, out of the Old School section alone.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Popularity contest? Ok, I can live with that.

However, I want to point out that Dagger's tactics are like the creepy loser dropout hanging out with guys (and fucking girls) much MUCH younger than he is; he does it because they don't fucking know any better. It's like Deexter but worse. Just pm noobs and promise them rep and a dick sucking. Fuck that. You really want to let nobodies like that determine who wins this?

 

[Coco]

Save your ivory tower politics for those situations. I didn't have much interest in Dagger until I saw who was saying what about him. Now I am intrigued.

Do I really not have the anarchist section of the population on lockdown? If so, this is the closest I've come to feeling disappointment about WrestleZone in a long time.

 

[shattered dreams]

I don't care who wins this and I see nothing wrong with someone working the whole site instead of just pandering to the old guard. That would seem to be the intelligent way of doing things actually.

Do I really not have the anarchist section of the population on lockdown? If so, this is the closest I've come to feeling disappointment about WrestleZone in a long time.

Look at who supports you and who doesn't. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[D-Man]

I see you said something about popularity not equating to a good mod. Seems plausible but then you might want to work on that board room solidarity because Sly made it very clear this IS a popularity contest. If he wanted to let you groupthink gargoyles pick a mod then I am sure he would have just done that. Save your ivory tower politics for those situations. I didn't have much interest in Dagger until I saw who was saying what about him. Now I am intrigued.

This is a popularity contest up until someone wins. Then, the staff makes the final decision. So, you're both right and wrong here.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Also when was the last time Dagger generated an discussion?

To be fair, Division Blade vs. The World was a WZ Award-nominated "topic of discussion."

 

[D-Man]

I don't care who wins this and I see nothing wrong with someone working the whole site instead of just pandering to the old guard. That would seem to be the intelligent way of doing things actually.

Not to sound like a dick, but then why are you even involved here? Either you care or you don't. Be a part of the solution or a part of the problem.