Why all the hate for Shannon Moore?

[It's Damn Real!]

Of all the things to hate in TNA, and granted there are numerous things that you all probably feel are worthy of hating in the company right now (I have to read them daily all all your incessant rants about how the company has gone to shit), the one constant that I've noticed and don't quite understand is the hate that Shannon Moore gets around here, and just how little credit he gets for being what IMO is a good worker, and an even better character in a new world order (no pun intended) of cookie cutter gym heads in professional wrestling these days. Characters like Moore are few and far between, and very few companies/wrestlers are willing to try things like Moore (as well as Hardy) do regarding their look.

It's not as though he's a bad wrestler by any means, he's not injury prone, over the age of 45 or washed up, and he can cut a promo very well (again IMO) so why all the hate for a guy who IMO adds a bit of intrigue to an otherwise very bland X Division right now? Is it the mohawk? Is it the face paint? The accent?

I'm curious, what do you think of Shannon Moore personally (both as a wrestler and a character), and if you don't like him or hate him, why?

 

[klunderbunker]

He sucks. I mean he sucks BAD.

Show me one time he's ever won a damn thing or had a kick ass match. I'll save you the time: they don't exist. Moore has a job because he's friends with the far more talented Hardy Boys. His gimmick isn't even a gimmick, he's never been intimidating, he's never had more than a decent match without another great worker, he takes up space, and he's not interesting. The guy is just a total waste of time and he's always around. He was a jobber forever in WWE and all of a sudden we're supposed to take him seriously? The DILLIGAF thing is idiotic to say the least as it's not even a gimmick. The whole Prince of Punk thing is stupid as no one gets the point to it. He looks like an idiot, isn't that good and has a job because of his friends.

I could go on but you get the idea.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

I don't hate him I just feel he's getting things easy for being Jeff's friend while someone like Christopher Daniels who's earned his way gets released. He's average at best in my opinion and the highlight of his career thus far is being Matt Hardy's follower during the Mattitude gimmick. He's decent enough to reach midcarder but that's it as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Probably because, despite an intresting look, he really is just another bland, talented but uninspiring X-Division wrestler.

He hasn't had a great match in nearly 10 years and you'd be hard pressed to recall who half the other wrestlers were in that ladder match. You couldn't name one signature Shannon Moore move and he's been around long enough to establish one.

Maybe people dislike him because he's getting a push in TNA over other guys, or more likely because he's another hiring that didn't need to be made. Petey Williams has more name value in TNA than Shannon Morre, but TNA got rid of him. Consequences Creed could do everything Shannon More could, TNA relesed him a week or so ago. And Jay Lethal has got more personality, he'll probably be next.

He's somebody TNA push as if he's important and as if he means something, but that's not the case.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I don't agree at all, KB.

Moore has always been a fan favorite because of his style and his look, and the Prince of Punk persona was pretty simple to get if you ask me. Not understanding that is like not understanding that the Undertaker is a goth-like figure.

Why does he have to be intimidating in order to be an effective wrestler or character? Is Amazing Red intimidating? What about Kazarian, Petey Williams, Jay Lethal, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelly or any of the other former (or even current) X Division stars not named Samoa Joe?

I thought a lot of his matches against his Carolina brethren were great, most notably with Matt and Jeff Hardy, and his matches when he wasn't being booked as Heyman's bitch on Smackdown (against Matt Morgan, Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, etc.) with guys like Paul London and Brian Kendrick were good matches.

Who gives a shit if he was a jobber, anyway? Brian Kendrick was a jobber too, does he suck because of that as well? Because I think otherwise. He's certainly not "intimidating" either.

 

[Phenomenal]

The guy is boring, he is the sort of guy that belongs in WWE and not TNA. To even put him in the X divison is a disgrace to their workers, he cant even wrestle the X style.

 

[INDYjon22]

I don't particularly mind Shannon Moore, but he really doesn't bring that much to the table and he really shouldn't have been booked ahead of the rest of the X-division guys. Shannon is poor on the mic and okay in the ring whereas guys like Jay Lethal can only get on Impact to job to Beer Money.

There are just other guys who should be ahead of Moore and I do realize it isn't like Moore came in saying put me in the title picture or I won't come to TNA but there needs to be some sort of pecking order and he shouldn't be at the top. There are just to many better talents then him currently and he shouldn't be ahead of them, especially after the shit he pulled during his first go around with TNA. But I don't mind him in TNA at all.

 

[Suneeboy]

What can I contribute to this thread that those above me haven’t already mentioned in their posts? Not very much or anything of major interest, which is an exact consequence of the person that we are discussing. Shannon Moore is not an interesting wrestler or character. He doesn’t bring anything to the table that I can’t get anywhere else. “Hate” may be a strong word, but there definitely is a little bit of annoyance in regards to Moore. I don’t care to see him, and if he was to leave professional wrestling tomorrow never to be heard of again, he will surely not be missed.

Plus he’s getting a push over guys much more popular and better at telling a story than he is.

Until he does something noteworthy with his character or has a great match, I’ll only know him for being a WWE Jobber who is affiliated with the Hardys. Maybe the question should be, what is there really to like about Shannon Moore?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

The guy is boring, he is the sort of guy that belongs in WWE and not TNA. To even put him in the X divison is a disgrace to their workers, he cant even wrestle the X style.

What "X" style? Last I checked, as TNA notes themselves, the X division was about "no limits", so because he doesn't do triple back-flips he doesn't belong there? Talk about being an elitist snob...

I suppose Doug(las) Williams doesn't belong there either, huh? By that accord, Matt Bentley and Johnny Devine didn't belong either, and neither did Shark Boy.

Why is he boring? I continue to read the same slights against him, but no one (but KB) has actually elaborated on it. No one says "he's boring because X, Y, Z". All I hear is "he's boring".

 

[Judah's Lion]

shannon who?

i bet that sums up what everyone else is thinking when reading this thread.

the best decision he ever made was to introduce himself to two brothers from NC.

otherwise he'd be asking us if we wanted fries with that order.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Probably because, despite an intresting look, he really is just another bland, talented but uninspiring X-Division wrestler.

He hasn't had a great match in nearly 10 years and you'd be hard pressed to recall who half the other wrestlers were in that ladder match. You couldn't name one signature Shannon Moore move and he's been around long enough to establish one.

Maybe people dislike him because he's getting a push in TNA over other guys, or more likely because he's another hiring that didn't need to be made. Petey Williams has more name value in TNA than Shannon Morre, but TNA got rid of him. Consequences Creed could do everything Shannon More could, TNA relesed him a week or so ago. And Jay Lethal has got more personality, he'll probably be next.

He's somebody TNA push as if he's important and as if he means something, but that's not the case.

You think Moore is boring, but Consequences Creed isn't? Moore has a no personality and a bad gimmick, but some third-rate Apollo Creed character with a bitch-tone voice isn't?

I never wanted Petey Williams gone, and I've always been a mark for Lethal, but why is it them or Moore? Why can't Moore simply be a part of the X Division just like them? You think guys like Amazing Red or Shark Boy are better options?

By the way, signature Shannon Moore moves: Moore Bomb, Halo and Mooregasm.

 

[Suneeboy]

Why is he boring? I continue to read the same slights against him, but no one (but KB) has actually elaborated on it. No one says "he's boring because X, Y, Z". All I hear is "he's boring".

Very well posed question Real, and another good thread to start a worthy conversation on. In my sheer boredom of the Shannon Moore character and career I couldn’t elaborate without putting myself to sleep in front of my computer.

The Look: The Retro 80s Indy Punk look just won’t get over to establish him as a long term player in TNA or professional wrestling for that matter. He is a decent worker, and will always have work, but he will never become a game changing person on the roster, and is too much of a bore to develop a strong fan base that can carry him in the long term. In laymen terms, the crowd doesn’t give two shits about the guy and neither do I. He needs something we haven’t seen before.

The Moves: He does a sick as hurricanrana but other than that he doesn’t do anything that I get out of my seat for. Kurt Angle’s moonsault is better than the guys whole repertoire. But if Kurt Angle is too big of a name, what does he bring to the table that Amazing Red doesn’t bring to the table? He has never had a noteworthy match, and I can’t honestly think of a match that he was in other than squashes and uneventful cruiserweight bouts. The guy is ho-hum average in the ring.

The Push: Why is he on television? What has he done to establish himself as a worthy contender? He was embarrassed by Williams at Destination X, Kaz is the Number One Contender, yet he is still involved in the title picture in some capacity? What happened to the so called ranking system of TNA? I smell kayfabe foul play, and I am taking it out on the bore that is the Shannon Moore character. He’s over exposed all the while bringing nothing of interest to the program he is in.

So with that said, I’ll close this post with ZoMG i dun like Shannon Moore, he SUkzz!!!!1!1!1!!!

 

[shattered dreams]

I don't particularly mind Shannon Moore, but he really doesn't bring that much to the table and he really shouldn't have been booked ahead of the rest of the X-division guys. Shannon is poor on the mic and okay in the ring whereas guys like Jay Lethal can only get on Impact to job to Beer Money.

There are just other guys who should be ahead of Moore and I do realize it isn't like Moore came in saying put me in the title picture or I won't come to TNA but there needs to be some sort of pecking order and he shouldn't be at the top. There are just to many better talents then him currently and he shouldn't be ahead of them, especially after the shit he pulled during his first go around with TNA. But I don't mind him in TNA at all.

Umm. Lethal won that match so I am not sure how that is jobbing. Lethal is not going anywhere in spite of all the chicken little comments surrounding TNA. I suspect the "problem" with Moore is that his wrestling style of cruiserweight wrestling is not what TNA fans like out of X division guys. I suspect many think he is not special enough since his spots are not as crazy as many of the other guys. Moore is a solid worker though. I do not really see who he is holding down anyway. His promo work is a little uneven although as a total package at the moment I find him much more interesting than Kaz(who seems like he has lost a step in the ring). I suspect many TNA fans have unfairly put their distaste for the changing of the x-division onto Moore's face since he is an outsider. I do think Moore has limitations that would prevent him from even being a decent midcarder in singles at least.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I don't particularly mind Shannon Moore, but he really doesn't bring that much to the table and he really shouldn't have been booked ahead of the rest of the X-division guys. Shannon is poor on the mic and okay in the ring whereas guys like Jay Lethal can only get on Impact to job to Beer Money.

There are just other guys who should be ahead of Moore and I do realize it isn't like Moore came in saying put me in the title picture or I won't come to TNA but there needs to be some sort of pecking order and he shouldn't be at the top. There are just to many better talents then him currently and he shouldn't be ahead of them, especially after the shit he pulled during his first go around with TNA. But I don't mind him in TNA at all.

He didn't pull any shit with his first TNA run, man. Such a misconception. TNA are the morons who decided to let him wrestle without a contract, but it's Moore's fault when he's offered more money to go back to the WWE with an actual wrestling contract, and somehow he screwed TNA in the process? If they thought he was that important, they should have given him his contract outright, and not continued to pay him per appearance in the hopes that he wouldn't up and leave for a guaranteed contract elsewhere.

 

[themiz937]

time to stand out

shannon could work well in wwe were his not another face (unless his lose in the shuffle)
but give him a good push and good opponents

 

[hatehabsforever]

I don't agree at all, KB.

Moore has always been a fan favorite because of his style and his look, and the Prince of Punk persona was pretty simple to get if you ask me. Not understanding that is like not understanding that the Undertaker is a goth-like figure.

Why does he have to be intimidating in order to be an effective wrestler or character? Is Amazing Red intimidating? What about Kazarian, Petey Williams, Jay Lethal, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelly or any of the other former (or even current) X Division stars not named Samoa Joe?

I thought a lot of his matches against his Carolina brethren were great, most notably with Matt and Jeff Hardy, and his matches when he wasn't being booked as Heyman's bitch on Smackdown (against Matt Morgan, Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, etc.) with guys like Paul London and Brian Kendrick were good matches.

Who gives a shit if he was a jobber, anyway? Brian Kendrick was a jobber too, does he suck because of that as well? Because I think otherwise. He's certainly not "intimidating" either.

If Shannon Moore is such a fan fovorite as you claim, why does he continually get released everywhere he goes? Someone somewhere in one of the companies would have to recognize this supposed over-ness, and he'd stick around and possibly even get a push. This never happens because he's average at best, and that's a stretch in my opinion.

And comparing him to Brian Kendrick is nothing to get overly excited about either. Outside of the IWC, he's pretty much nothing either. Bouncing around from company to company, getting released and re-hired like a hot potato. Kendrick is not intimidating either as you said, he's a jobber, he always has been, and likely always will be. Maybe these guys have talent, I've never seen it if they do, but fact of the matter is they don't have the skills, the work ethic, or the look to make it in either TNA or WWE.

Shannon Moore gets the "hate" simply because he leap-frogged over several more deserving existing TNA guys. When he debuted this last time in TNA, he came out to the ring like he was something special, but if the announcers hadn't identified him I don't think I even would have known who the hell he was. WWE fans don't like Moore because they likely don't watch TNA anyway. TNA fans are probably pissed off that yet another undeserving former WWE guy has replaced a longer term and more deserving TNA guy. That's OK when the former WWE guy is RVD, Jeff Hardy, or even Ken Anderson, but when its Shannon freakin' Moore, that's a tough pill to swallow for TNA wrestlers or fans.

 

[Harrison101]

I have little respect for Shannon Moore, mainly because his work ethic is far from good. He's never really had a stable prolific role in any major organisation, and he's no better than most of the guys in the X-Division, just with a slightly more obvious gimmick.

He does nothing to benefit the Division, or TNA in general. Christopher Daniels and Austin Creed are released, yet Shannon stays? Odd, as I think they're both better.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

If Shannon Moore is such a fan fovorite as you claim, why does he continually get released everywhere he goes? Someone somewhere in one of the companies would have to recognize this supposed over-ness, and he'd stick around and possibly even get a push. This never happens because he's average at best, and that's a stretch in my opinion.

And comparing him to Brian Kendrick is nothing to get overly excited about either. Outside of the IWC, he's pretty much nothing either. Bouncing around from company to company, getting released and re-hired like a hot potato. Kendrick is not intimidating either as you said, he's a jobber, he always has been, and likely always will be. Maybe these guys have talent, I've never seen it if they do, but fact of the matter is they don't have the skills, the work ethic, or the look to make it in either TNA or WWE.

Shannon Moore gets the "hate" simply because he leap-frogged over several more deserving existing TNA guys. When he debuted this last time in TNA, he came out to the ring like he was something special, but if the announcers hadn't identified him I don't think I even would have known who the hell he was. WWE fans don't like Moore because they likely don't watch TNA anyway. TNA fans are probably pissed off that yet another undeserving former WWE guy has replaced a longer term and more deserving TNA guy. That's OK when the former WWE guy is RVD, Jeff Hardy, or even Ken Anderson, but when its Shannon freakin' Moore, that's a tough pill to swallow for TNA wrestlers or fans.

Actually, it's not OK when it's Ken Anderson or even Jeff Hardy as both received monumental amounts of criticism (still do). The only one who walked in without so much as a tweak of the eye was RVD, and that's because he's an IWC sensation.

I do agree Moore leap-frogged "more deserving" X Division caliber stars, but my point isn't in how he's being booked. If people don't like him because of how he's being booked, how am I supposed to buy the argument that Creed was a better option? Creed got a Cena push when he came in, and guess why? Because he was boys with AJ Styles. Friends push friends in the business, man – get over it. If the only reason Moore has a job is [Jeff] Hardy, then the only reason Creed ever did was because of Styles, so why is Creed acceptable, but Moore isn't?

 

[thebromm]

The problem I have in alot of these posts is everyone calls them WWE guys. First of all, they are professional wrestlers. Second, its not always their fault they get misused and mishandled whether it be TNA or WWE. Third, these guys get released and what are they supposed to do? Pack it in and go home and wait for WWE call up and say "Hey, we have something for you. We want you in Boston to run around in a fuckin' chicken suit!" C'mon guys. These guys whether you like them or not follow a dream. If WWE cancels their part ofthe dream, then they look elsewhere and TNA, sadly, is the next 'best' thing. I use best very loosely.

So, just because you don't like Moore TNA shouldnt hire him OR for that matter try to feed him and get him over with the fans? Thats just plain moronic! Anybody can be a big star with mic work and the right direction. At least TNA tries. Fail as they may. But they try. Can you say that with WWE? No. You can't.

 

[ScreaminNormanSmiley]

i dont like moores gimmick because i think the book of dilligaf is one of the worst ideas there is but atleast hes trying to show some personality, and he can wrestle well. thats y i dont mind moore getting a title fued push despite kazarian being the number one contender. kaz is one of the most bland wrestlers there is.

sure i would prefer lethal or homicide (and either shelley or sabin if they werent busy in the tag division) above moore getting title shots but thats no reason to want moore to go away, hes had one title match and probably will get a second, ill only get mad if he starts consantly being in the title picture with others not getting a legitimate spot.

 

[ABMorales787]

I have no problem with Shannon Moore. He's a good worker. He has a simple gimmick (except for the Book of Whatchamacallit). The dude is just flat out uncharismatic. There's just an air about him that just isn't popular. The guy is basically the Matt Hardy to Shane Helms' Jeff Hardy. I have no problem seeing him go after the X Division belt. Especially when he, Kaz and Douglas are actually giving a well needed reconstruction to the division. People overreact a bit because they see Jeff coming in as well and believe Jeff asked for the favor. If I remember correctly, it was the other way around. When Shannon showed interest in TNA, Jeff decided to tag along. Wouldn't you sign an average wrestler if it mean that the most popular wrestler of the previous 3 years was thinking of joining him? I sure as hell would. Its business. Depth for the X Division with an average worker + Jeff "Freaking" Hardy = A good business deal for TNA.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Actually, it's not OK when it's Ken Anderson or even Jeff Hardy as both received monumental amounts of criticism (still do). The only one who walked in without so much as a tweak of the eye was RVD, and that's because he's an IWC sensation.

I do agree Moore leap-frogged "more deserving" X Division caliber stars, but my point isn't in how he's being booked. If people don't like him because of how he's being booked, how am I supposed to buy the argument that Creed was a better option? Creed got a Cena push when he came in, and guess why? Because he was boys with AJ Styles. Friends push friends in the business, man – get over it. If the only reason Moore has a job is [Jeff] Hardy, then the only reason Creed ever did was because of Styles, so why is Creed acceptable, but Moore isn't?

It's OK to say that friends push friends and to get over it, man, but the question posed was why do you think he gets so much hate? And that is why. It may be the way it is, it may be the way it always has been, and that's even outside the world of pro wrestling. It's not what you know, but who you know, as the old expression goes. But the fans won't like it, they likely won't get over it, and that's why he gets the hate. When some devout TNA fan has to watch someone like Jay Lethal get pushed aside and lose his place in the company to a virtual no one like Moore, that's tough. Maybe that's business, maybe that's the way it is, but I don't like it and apparently a lot of other people feel the same way, if not, he would be getting the "hate" you speak of.

The Creed analogy is flawed. He got a Cena-like push but at least he was "home-grown," in that he was not a WWE reject (sorry I know you hate that expression). Pushing him over someone like Lethal is not as bad, rather than seeing a no one from the WWE cast him aside.

And I say it's OK when it happens with people like Anderson, Hardy, or RVD because they are well established superstar names. I'm not a big fan of Anderson, never have been, but he was well known in WWE and so I can understand him coming over to TNA with a lot of hooplah. It's just that Shannon Moore doesn't bring the big star moniker, the hooplah, so that makes it a little harder to accept.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

It's OK to say that friends push friends and to get over it, man, but the question posed was why do you think he gets so much hate? And that is why. It may be the way it is, it may be the way it always has been, and that's even outside the world of pro wrestling. It's not what you know, but who you know, as the old expression goes. But the fans won't like it, they likely won't get over it, and that's why he gets the hate. When some devout TNA fan has to watch someone like Jay Lethal get pushed aside and lose his place in the company to a virtual no one like Moore, that's tough. Maybe that's business, maybe that's the way it is, but I don't like it and apparently a lot of other people feel the same way, if not, he would be getting the "hate" you speak of.

The Creed analogy is flawed. He got a Cena-like push but at least he was "home-grown," in that he was not a WWE reject (sorry I know you hate that expression). Pushing him over someone like Lethal is not as bad, rather than seeing a no one from the WWE cast him aside.

And I say it's OK when it happens with people like Anderson, Hardy, or RVD because they are well established superstar names. I'm not a big fan of Anderson, never have been, but he was well known in WWE and so I can understand him coming over to TNA with a lot of hooplah. It's just that Shannon Moore doesn't bring the big star moniker, the hooplah, so that makes it a little harder to accept.

And I'm sure the WWE should have pushed Matt Hardy over Chris Jericho too, seeing as Jericho was a WCW reject.

As one of the users noted above, the sell was Jeff Hardy. Hardy didn't come to TNA and drag Moore with him, Moore came back to TNA, and Hardy jumped with him. I'll take a guy like Shannon Moore on the roster for the most over wrestler in the world any day.

If Stone Cold Steve Austin circa 1999's best friend was Eugene, you wouldn't hire Eugene to get Austin?

This home grown shit is getting ridiculous. No one was "grown" by TNA. They all wrestled elsewhere prior to getting their break in TNA, including AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Christopher Daniels.

 

[Greenlight13]

I have no problem with his wrestling, he is as you said a very good worker. The reason I hate him is the way he carries himself in TNA. In WWE he had the reigns on him and now I've seen him let loose I'm glad that he did.

He just comes across as obnoxious and self-important in his promos and the whole book of DILLIGAF thing is a little bit sad if you ask me. A reviewer on 411 pointed out that he is confusing glam rock and punk rock to be one and the same, and I agree with that sentiment, because though it seems he lives his gimmick a little bit out of the ring, he's deluded if he does in fact think they're the same thing.

I don't know if anyone saw it or not, but on the latest Spin Cycle with Gen Me and MCMG he walked on in the middle of it in a clearly unplanned fashion and proceeded to trash Generation ME.

If you've seen any of my posts talking about the Young Bucks you'll know that this is quite an ironic complaint. If you haven't, I'll catch you up: I think they're a solid team but they're also very overrated because they wrestle the same match every time.

So with that in mind, note that my complaint is utterly unbiased. He labelled them as Hardy Boyz rip-offs, something that has been done by the Guns on TV before, but in a scripted promo war. I'm sure they didn't go home and cry about it as they've heard it dozens of times, but the way he just walked on the set in the middle of the taping, insulted them to their faces and then walked off made him seem a complete dick.

I get the impression that he acts the way he does because of his friendship with Jeff Hardy. Jeff is clearly given a lot more freedom in TNA than he was in the WWE, with all his painting (why the hell was he wearing what looked like an orange version of one of his wristbands over his face?) and aloof antics. Back on January 4th Jeff was in half a dozen segments, painting, kissing a teenage girl and making her nearly pass out, and just wandering around like he's a major celebrity. Fair enough, he's a bigger name than some of the TNA guys, but truth be told he is not a great artist, but they are pushing him as if he's some sort of genius. Shannon gets to ride those coat-tails and it seems the two of them wander around the Impact Zone like they're above everyone.

Shannon is a good wrestler and he got underused in the WWE, but he is not good enough to be the premier face of the X-Division, not enough of a draw for PPV hype, and not a big enough star to get away with being a prick to other wrestlers.

 

[nahbrah]

Shannon Moore had some great, and some say "Match of the Night" matches on the Hulkamania tour in Australia.

Shannon Moore/Jimmy Wang Yang vs Miz/Morrison fued was freakin awesome!! Great, exciting matches!!

Just because WWE didn't wanna let him really work and have the match he's capable of, doesn't mean he isn't good. Matt Morgan looked like one of the weakest "Big Guys" in some time during his WWE stint, but nobody has a problem with him. The Pope also wasn't made to look like anything special in WWE, but you're all fine with his World Title push, as am I.

And then you all say his character is so boring, but are all about Jay Lethal, whom I enjoy, but has been doing a Macho Man gimmick for 2 years now!

The bottom line is, the people at TNA see something in guys like Shannon Moore, Brian Kendrick, Matt Morgan and the Pope that WWE didn't, and they know better than you, or me for that matter. BUT JUST BECAUSE WWE WANTED TO BURY THEM AND NOT MAKE THEM STARS, DOES NOT MEAN AT ALL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE POTETIAL TO BE.

My favorite thing about TNA is that they take guys like the above mentioned, and let them show the world what they are really capable of.