Whoa, whoa, whoa, slick...Who says TNA is signing RVD, Benoit, Sandman, Sabu, Dreamer? I mean it could be wishful thinking, but let's not get ahead of ourselves...
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, slick...Who says TNA is signing RVD, Benoit, Sandman, Sabu, Dreamer? I mean it could be wishful thinking, but let's not get ahead of ourselves...
If TNA continues to sign ex-WWE superstars, not only will they overshadow TNA's own homegrown stars (such as the X-division), but it will also continue to reinforce the idea that TNA is an "unofficial" brand of the WWE. TNA will not be thought of as an "alternative" or as viable competition. If they continue to do this, they will be making the same mistake WCW did by not pushing the younger, newer talents.
Everybody needs to understand the industry here. People are not rejects or "unofficial" versions of another company. People move from Microsoft to Apple, Yahoo to Google, Ford to GM and the like. People go from one company in a given industry to another all the time.
It's just that WWE is and for the most part is the dominant player. You really only had WCW as competition and now TNA is up and coming and we'll see what happens.
Of course people are going to move back fomr fourth between the two largest companies with the most opportunity. If a big name who's not that great, but still a big name is available of course TNA should sign them -- it helps spread the word.
Yes, you will prob see older guys come over here and at some point you'll probably see younger guys go over there.
It's just that WWE is and for the most part is the dominant player. You really only had WCW as competition and now TNA is up and coming and we'll see what happens.
Of course people are going to move back fomr fourth between the two largest companies with the most opportunity. If a big name who's not that great, but still a big name is available of course TNA should sign them -- it helps spread the word.
Yes, you will prob see older guys come over here and at some point you'll probably see younger guys go over there.
first off, anyone who pays money for Tommy Dreamer, RVD, Sabu or Sandman needs a check up from the neck up... I'd have Dreamer in the back as a talent agent or writter but the others arn't worth anything... I've been praying for RVD to get fired since ECW's recomseption... Sabu doesn't know WTF a mic is and Sandman... he has a cane... and a beer... *blinks* WTF is that?
TNA's ONLY reason to sign Hogan is for his name... if he wrestled, it would just make TNA look stupid...
Why would Beniot leave WWE unless to retire? He made a name for himself in WWE and I believe he's a big enough man to give WWE credit where credit is due... Angle is burning bridges and I can't see Beniot doing the same thing...
so, TNA isn't getting WWE's left overs... I was kinda POed that Cage has gone back to "Captain Chrasima" and has Tokomo in his corner again... let the dude do his own thing... I don't care if they're life partners or not... hell, where is Chris Kanyon at when I need an amen... *sighs*
Well if R.V.D. does decide to go to T.N.A. I think they should put him in the X-Division, the same with Benoit. Remember that the X-Division is'nt about weight limit's it's about no limit's. Joe weigh's more than R.V.D. and Benoit and he's a former X-Division champ.
NoUrRoll23
Pre-Show Stalwart
lol ok alot of these things r just rumors pple do u beleive every thing u hear? yes RVD might go to TNA when his contract is up n 2007 but u never no , SABU who cares if he goes to TNA hes washed up any way he cant even stay awake backstage WWE wont b losing much if he goes n TNA isnt getin much with him , for HOGAN i really doubt he well go to TNA if WWE hears he might b going there they will give HOGAN wat ever he wants to stay with them , Chris Beniot i havent even heard any thing bout him rumors or any thing so idk where u got that from but n my eyes i dont see him going to TNA in fact i dont see him in wrestling every much longer , Sandman , Tommy Dreamer again havent heard any thing bout them but with them i dont c WWE losing any thing big or TNA getin much
Why wouldn't RVD go to TNA? I mean angle is being paid $750,000 a year and has to work only 4 shows a month and anything after thoes events that he partcipates in he is paid for... Now why wouldn't RVD go there? I mean RVD could go there get either as much as Angle or alittle less. I mean to only work about 60-70 shows a year nad make big money like that is awesome, and it has always been said with RVD it has never been about the money.... So by July of 2007 RVD will be in TNA....
I agree with Y2Jake. RVD could easily just go to the X-division. The addition of RVD wouldn't overshadow the X-division it would help it evolve. It would be considered a big win if some of the younger X-division stars were able to beat RVD. Therefore, their homegrown talent would become big stars in TNA.
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im not sure about what im going to ask u. i mean, im not going to go through 48 pages to see if its been asked, but how do u think they will figure out the outcome of the possible VKM vs DX match? im sure both sides will want to win. what do u think will happen? just a flat out brawl?
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
TNA would be better off with bringing in RVD or Benoit. Both still have some talent and a few good years left in them. The rest, especially Hogan, aren't necessary. I love Tommy Dreamer, but he's getting up there in age and hasn't taken good enough care of his body to work like he used to. Sabu isn't a necessity because he can only function in an extreme capacity, so if they had a hardcore division, then I'd say yes, otherwise he doesn't have all of the tools necessary to help carry anything viable with the company. Besides, he was already there before and didn't do much to elevate the product. TNA needs to avoid Hogan's dumb ass like the bubonic plague, as he's a cancer that'd eat TNA alive from the inside out inside of two years. I don't feel the additions of a couple of these guys would do anything except give TNA more stability in the long term for the heavyweight division or X-division. Besides, there are wrestlers on the TNA roster that really should go down the road anyway because they don't have any reason to be there. Norman Smiley...I'm looking right at you.
xxmonsterpimpxx
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lmao chosen rated r is rightr again who the hell is scared of tna wwe has been using the same formula and it always get better and better sure TNA will get better and better but WWE will be getting more better as TNA IS.
what if we think outside the box... let's pretend (for conversational sake) that Hogan was brought in to work with Russo and write... he wouldn't get any TV time (there comes to pretending... Hogan loves the cameras... I'm pretty sure he Tivo's his own show...) would Hogan be a good talent off camera? even here, I say no... Most of the nWo wasn't his idea... it was Bishoff and Terry Taylor (Red Rooster du what? LOL) but I think Dreamer could really help write the X Division better... I think Russo loves the X Division but isn't sure what to do with it... Dreamer could be that fresh air they need... Sandman and Sabu need to just go home... I've become torn with RVD over the past few days... I've been looking through videos and stuff (free time at work rawks) and have seen a lot of RVD's stuff... I'm torn... I just don't think he'd mesh well with the X Division...
NoUrRoll23
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lonedog80 - Most of the nWo wasn't his idea... it was Bishoff and Terry Taylor (Red Rooster du what? LOL)............dont no where u heard it was terry taylor idea but most of the idea's did come from bishoff some from scott hall and mostly KEIVN NASH get eric bishoff's book and he says it n there him self ive never heard or saw any thing about taylor
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Hogan would have a bloated contract with creative control ala WCW. McMahon's sandbox is the only place Hogan can go where he can't do everything he wants, mainly because Vince rules with an iron fist. I don't think Hogan is honestly in touch with the kind of athleticism that TNA has to offer and thus I think he'd be way beyond useless in that deparment. Dreamer would be a hell of an agent as he's been in the thick of working with various types of talent over the years and can wrestle a creative match when he's not based out of Stamford. I do agree that Sandman and Sabu should both retire. Sabu's last TNA stint didn't do anything really groundbreaking (although I did like the Barbed Wire Massacre) and Sandman was never the same after his time in WCW, which pretty much took his ability down three notches from his original ECW runs. RVD would have to shape up his game and get his ass back into shape, but I think he still has the tools necessary to do good business with some talented performers. The big issue is if he can get used to working very deep spots into a match instead of relying on the limited WWE working style. If he can revert to his more talented self, then I say bring him down to Orlando.
showtyme27
The New Mr.WWE, Beat Me if You can!
Who are you to say if anybody is a "True Wrestling Fan"? The point of this thread is to have a good conversion about TNA versus WWE with someone who doesn't share your opinion about either the companies standings, me and other guys on this site have gone back and forth on this thread and I enjoy seeing things from their standpoint because some of the times it makes me understand/realize things I may have missed, I do watch both shows I love wrestling anyway I can get it but their is still a lot of things about TNA v.s. WWE that need to be discussed and that's what we're doing.
To Kasey: I thing we're going to have to agree to disagree while I agree with almost everything you said I still believe that the wrestler and not the writer has more to do with the writing, style, and feel of a good promo/interview segment, don't get me wrong WWE proably edits what they want to say and even add things but I think the wrestler has the overall impact on the mic,and on a different note Christain and Jericho are incredible of the mic but i'd have to say Cena is just as good as they are I don't think they would totaly outmatch him on the mic but it would be intresting to let them totally shoot on all of their segments.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Sounds cool. I will admit, even for as much as I loathe Cena, listening to his first impression on the mic of HHH almost made me piss my pants laughing. The impression was spot-on and I could tell HHH knew it, because the fans sure did.
showtyme27
The New Mr.WWE, Beat Me if You can!
Damn Kasey, it seems like since me and you stop going back and forth on our views of the state of wrestling this thread has finally died down.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
I've been trying to keep some of these threads alive, but my guess is that everyone is too busy with the holidays, or something.
Thats juts the problem. WWE has been using the same formula for what seems to be forever. No company stays on top of any industry by staying the same. A company must be at the edge of innovation in order to survive let alone thrive. WWE is in a rut. And when you're in a rut, it is hard as hell to get out of it. As far as Vince is concerned WWE is doing nothing wrong. As an insider, as the man behind it all, he is blind to what the fans see evry week. There is a major major whole in the current product. WWE needs a new direction, they need some new ideas, some new heads and most of all they need to hire writers with a mind for the business. These Hollywood writers they incessantly pursue have no clue.
It is the fact that they are using the same formula that is preventing them from getting out of the ditch they slowly crept into. It is this mindset that is holding them back. This mindset is the reason why they are continuously pushign the wrong guys, why some of the most talented guys can't get their breaks, why nothing on WWE TV shocks us anymore, why there are no surprises anymore, why the product is so predictable, why the product is so "cartoonish", why outside of WM (where they pick up the pace for one night only) the in-ring wrestling is slow and boring, why we still have to deal with stupid gimmicks and why they ruin great promos by dragging them out for 20 minutes.
WWE needs change and the worst part is they don't even know it.
Thats doesn't mean that TNA is perfect. They need more variety in characters (i.e. Sabu, Monty Brown and Jeff Hardy were huge losses due simply to them being different), they need to work on some of their promos and they need to slow things down a notch. But they are also really pissing me off lately. Where I would once tune in and witness at least 30 minutes of wrestling in a 42 minute show, last week there was a total of 7 minutes of in-ring action.
Now I won't complain, coz the truth is that Russo IS making things a hell of a lot more interesting, but the price we must pay is huge. TNA needs that second hour. It would allow them to slow down, to get more wrestlers (guys like RVD, Sabu, Super Dragon, American Dragon, Nigel McGuinnes, The Briscoes etc. would add so much to the product), to have more time for wrestling (assuming they spend the same amount of time on segmenst and not double-up on it) and so on.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Amen. The writers don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to properly matching up two guys in the ring. They think in terms of gimmick first, and wrestling a VERY distant second. Sometimes they get lucky, but on the average they know dick when it comes to booking decisions. Hell, I've run across posts in here by teenagers who have a better mind for creating solid, bankable matchups than the d*ckheads running the WWE creative squad.
Again, amen. It's irritating as hell for me to see this on a weekly basis when I know they have a company that is chock full of talent on each show and the booking decisions are so stupidly run that it defies all logic. Why keep the best matchups from taking place by stashing guys on the same show for years on end (HHH)? Why avoid having two wrestlers start a feud when they both can work well when they try (HBK and RVD). I've seen so many missed or blown opportunities in the last four years to fill a dumptruck to the brim. It breaks my hard because I have a genuine love for the company's past work that is some of the best examples of a well-constructed promotion.
Hopefully the reports of Russo being given the command the chill out on the segments aren't exxagerated because I'm in total agreeance with you. I was initially happy with TNA for the wrestling, not the segments.
Great ideas all around. I think that the time of Sting is coming to a close and I think that a lot of the wrestlers have finally been given a chance to run with some character development for once that actually has some punch and flavor to it for once. All of the guys you listed would be a tremendous plus to TNA as a company.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
I just would like to see the second hour of the show come in so they could marry the original amount and quality of in-ring competition with the story ability that Russo has. For example, the X-divisioners could have the original amounts of time to tell a story in the ring, but also get segments to get their characters. Just a balance, I guess, so it doesn't seem so a$$-backwards and lopsided in favor of story over ring work.
Tough question. For what I'd want to do, it'd have to be geared around youth, so a lot of the WWE main-eventers would be out. CM Punk would be a gimmie. Randy Orton definitely. Edge if he got himself back into his best shape. Kennedy as well as I feel he has the tools to be one of the greats. For a fifth, I don't know. I'll have to think about it some more.
In reference to the question of which five guys, I'd have to agree with Kasey. It has to be geared around youth to be worth anything to TNA. CM Punk would be a top priority as far as I'm concerned. He is one of the better wrestlers to come along in a while (in the same league as Joe, Danielson and Nigel - and even Homicide from a hardcore angle) and he has the most refreshing gimmick and promo style since early-day Raven.
Again I agree with Kasey. Edge and Randy Orton would be my second and third choices respectively. But as far as Kennedy goes - unlike most people who tend to think this guy is the absolute shit - for some reason I just never warmed to him. I think he is very overrated.
Now my pick for fourth is questionable - even in my own mind. But given the leaps and bounds rate of improvement in this kid, I can just begin to imagine how good he could be one day. And this man is Johnny Nitro. I'll be the first to admit, when I first saw Nitro in the ring as a part of MNM, he was clealry in the second-fiddle role to his partner Mercury. Joey was just sooo much better, and it was obvious this was the case. But even before MNM broke up we could see the evolution of Nitro beginning to take shape. And then BAM!! he is the IC champion with a great gimmick (although slightly overdone) and is providing MOTN every Monday night. Given, he had a more than competent opponent in Hardy - but his contributions could nto be ignored.
My pick for fifth has to be Shelton Benjamin. And this guy might as well be the first on this list. He has talent and skills like nobody else in the entire WWE. And yet he is consistently held back. Bad booking decisions, spontaneous gimmick changes, and the like have just made him a mess. Everytime the crowd start responding to him, he is thrown off of TV, or given a new direction. He could be headlining RAW one week and be the first match on Heat the next. Granted, Shelton lacks mic skills, but he has seldom been given an opportunity to speak. How is he expected to refine his skills on the mic when he isn't given the opportunity. Does nobody remember the first time they heard Batista speak??!! This man could not cut a promo to save his life. But NOW!!! Vince persisted with him and he got better. Why isn't Shleton given the same chance?
Other worthy mentions include: Carlito, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy (granted that he stayed in check like he seems to be doing in the WWE), Charlie Haas, Gregory Helms, Shannon Moore (under contract this time), and Elijah Burke.
Outside of the youth policy: RVD, Sabu, Chris Benoit, Super Crazy, and Booker T.
Again I agree with Kasey. Edge and Randy Orton would be my second and third choices respectively. But as far as Kennedy goes - unlike most people who tend to think this guy is the absolute shit - for some reason I just never warmed to him. I think he is very overrated.
Now my pick for fourth is questionable - even in my own mind. But given the leaps and bounds rate of improvement in this kid, I can just begin to imagine how good he could be one day. And this man is Johnny Nitro. I'll be the first to admit, when I first saw Nitro in the ring as a part of MNM, he was clealry in the second-fiddle role to his partner Mercury. Joey was just sooo much better, and it was obvious this was the case. But even before MNM broke up we could see the evolution of Nitro beginning to take shape. And then BAM!! he is the IC champion with a great gimmick (although slightly overdone) and is providing MOTN every Monday night. Given, he had a more than competent opponent in Hardy - but his contributions could nto be ignored.
My pick for fifth has to be Shelton Benjamin. And this guy might as well be the first on this list. He has talent and skills like nobody else in the entire WWE. And yet he is consistently held back. Bad booking decisions, spontaneous gimmick changes, and the like have just made him a mess. Everytime the crowd start responding to him, he is thrown off of TV, or given a new direction. He could be headlining RAW one week and be the first match on Heat the next. Granted, Shelton lacks mic skills, but he has seldom been given an opportunity to speak. How is he expected to refine his skills on the mic when he isn't given the opportunity. Does nobody remember the first time they heard Batista speak??!! This man could not cut a promo to save his life. But NOW!!! Vince persisted with him and he got better. Why isn't Shleton given the same chance?
Other worthy mentions include: Carlito, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy (granted that he stayed in check like he seems to be doing in the WWE), Charlie Haas, Gregory Helms, Shannon Moore (under contract this time), and Elijah Burke.
Outside of the youth policy: RVD, Sabu, Chris Benoit, Super Crazy, and Booker T.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
^It's cool that you don't like Kennedy that much. It's not necessarily that I see him as being the greatest, but his rudiments are all in place for him to take it to the next level...if he works at it is all. He has a problem with match pacing and controlling the audience once he's off of the mic, but if he had some seriously credible guys to help him in matches, I think he could be developed fairly well.
I definitely agree with you on Shelton and Nitro. Shelton would fit right into TNA's ability-base and would shine like a diamond against guys like A.J., Joe, and Angle and a number of other TNA perennials. Nitro I agree is developing into one of the best around. Anyone who can make Cena's moves look good definitely deserves a large pay-raise, and Nitro is definitely in that small group as he makes even Cena's clotheslines look like something Taz would've done.
I'd also forgot about some of the other choices as well. Super Crazy is definitely one I'd go with, as well as Benoit and Book if the opportunity came about.
I definitely agree with you on Shelton and Nitro. Shelton would fit right into TNA's ability-base and would shine like a diamond against guys like A.J., Joe, and Angle and a number of other TNA perennials. Nitro I agree is developing into one of the best around. Anyone who can make Cena's moves look good definitely deserves a large pay-raise, and Nitro is definitely in that small group as he makes even Cena's clotheslines look like something Taz would've done.
I'd also forgot about some of the other choices as well. Super Crazy is definitely one I'd go with, as well as Benoit and Book if the opportunity came about.
cmiller9291
Getting Noticed By Management
those are some good choices. also i think for a 5th guy maybe carlito. he has pretty good mic skills and great wrestling talent. i've heard that before wwe he had an amazing moveset(i still think he does now). hes only about 27 or 28. i agree with u on the others.
Yea this is all good, but for quick boost, people like The undertaker would bring MILLIONS of fans to TNA (including me), and I think that is the reason they want Hulk Hogan. Balance is the most important thing, personally I would rather have
CM punk and The undertaker than
CM punk and Kennedy
The reason is, very simple I don't believe any wrestler needs much talent to be one of the best (HOGAN); people can be shaped into anyone they want to be, through experience, etc, right story lines, gimmicks, connection with the fans.
Building a future and keeping the present alive is one and the same thing.
CM punk and The undertaker than
CM punk and Kennedy
The reason is, very simple I don't believe any wrestler needs much talent to be one of the best (HOGAN); people can be shaped into anyone they want to be, through experience, etc, right story lines, gimmicks, connection with the fans.
Building a future and keeping the present alive is one and the same thing.
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