[UnOfficial] WWE vs. TNA Thread - New one active

[lapel8533]

Actually, toward the hind end of his WWE run he was pretty much over with the fans using his own methods. As opposed to WWE's brillaint f***ing strategy of having him throw tantrums and slap the ring. Yeah, creative genius in that one there. He had, and still has, some of the best mic work in the industry, and is just as capable a worker as most of the WWE's top talent. He's also loads better than guys like Cena. He was just denied a lengthy feud because he out-promo'd Cena and helped the fans to understand exactly how much of a goddamn joke Cena is. Once this stuff came out on Raw, he was summarily buried and conveniently dumped to Smackdown. Never outdo any of Vince's pet projects...he doesn't like that.

I never said he was not over with the fans I said he was not on top. As in wwe never did the necessary things to get the fans to like him as much as the typical main eventers. Everybody liked him, just not as much as they liked the other guys who were main eventers. Those were the guys who were on top of everyone else. And that's where christian wanted to be. But he never got there becuase the wwe kept rejecting his efforts to get there. For this he is a wwe reject. Then he went over to tna and complained to the audiance about how the wwe held him back. This is an admission that he is a reject. And they had reasons for holding him back and rejecting his efforts to get to the top. He is a reject.

 

[Kasey]

They are fed lines. Some people are better at reciting them than others. Instances like Gangrel's 1st mic attempt help to solidify this process. It's just the nature of the game. Big Show isn't any better than Andre was in the early eighties. Yet again, both were only where they were because of size. Not because of talent. Hell, Show was brought into the business so that Hogan could have another big fat guy to bodyslam in Detroit one more time. I've seen some old Cena matches...even some of his UPW stuff. He still sucks in my opinion. The average WWE fan typically likes whatever they're spoonfed by McMahon and company to like, typically without regard to a wrestler's ability, but more in line with his mic skills and gimmick. TNA has problems, for sure. Comparing each company strictly on workrate has TNA spanking them hands down, PPV after PPV. Hell, even TNA's lower-end PPVs are superior to WWE's premier offerings. This is the reason I don't pay for WWE PPVs anymore, but instead download them after the fact so that I can fast forward through it if need be. I never mind giving money to a company that's worth it. Titan isn't as of late. Wrestlemania 21 was the last time they bilked me out of money. $50 to watch Mysterio and Guererro in the opener and for Kane to stink up the Money in the Bank. Hell, the only reason I didn't call for a refund was thanks to Angle and Michaels. Too bad they weren't the main event.

 

[Ushiku]

I think you're being a little hard on Christian, trunksjmd. Stone Cold Steve Austin was considered "a reject" for most of his career and basically jobbed at WCW for the majority of his wrestling career. Only during the Attitude Era at WWE was he made into the fan favourite he is today, and that was only due to Triple H's involvement in the MSG incident, if that never happened Triple H would have won the King of the Ring and gone on to a WWE Championship push, there'd have been no Austin 3:16 speech and he'd probably still be the jobber he had been before King of the Ring.

 

[Ushiku]

TNA has a lot of potential because it has shown it can use wrestlers with talent in matches whether it be on TNA: Impact!, house shows or Pay Per Views. What they need to do is to get some good storylines, deals and marketing. They need to build upon the product they already have and make it better, two pages ago I wrote ways in which I think that would work, but the only way TNA will win this "war" is gradually, nothing can happen overnight, overnight sensations don't happen very often, it is more reliable to build a company up from the basics.

 

[BRandonkin]

I think Kurt Angle was the type of move for TNA that Hulk Hogan was in 1994 for WCW. It took a couple more additional big moves to get them ready for primetime which included Randy Savage, and of course on the nitro debut Lex Luger. I think that the Big Show is going to be the next one to switch. I have been reading controversy creates cash and a lot of the older stars like Big Show, Rey Mysterio, and some of them that have been breaking their backs for the last 10-15 years are going to want to get out of the tough WWE travel schedule but not really retire. This is what happened for Hogan and others that eventually went to WCW and that led to them getting big. WWE stars are going to make the switch because TNA has an easy TV schedule, and minimal house shows. As time goes on I look for them to go live, and I really believe that by August of 2007 Eric Bischoff will be lured to TNA to help get them jump started on live tv. His contract ends in June or July and this all makes perfect sense, because by then they could very well have Rey, Kurt, and Big Show. Not to mention Joe, Nash, Jarrett, Sting, Abyss, and a slew of other talented performers. I also think it is a realistic possibility to lure Jericho in. If they do everything I just said I really think they can do what WCW did. And I think for those of you who haven't read CCC you should definitely check it out at the library if you don't want to buy it. But it has been an awesome page turner and a real inside look at what happened to WCW.

But I really do think the key person to wind up in TNA is going to be Bischoff. Think about the way McMahon put him in that dumpster and embarrassed him, you know that pissed him off. We have not seen the end of the real Bischoff vs McMahon, at least not in my opinion.

Yeah, but when WCW got big, they ended up doing just what they did not want to do. If TNA get big like WWE and WCW, then Angle not gonna get that rest that he claims he gets from TNA. He will not have that break. I think Big Show is gonna retire. He is in pain. And as long as he refuses to lose weight and take it easy he gonna suffer. I mean think about Undertake is the same height as him but in way better shape. Plus I think Rey is gonna get a legends contract and get that sporadic appearance to take it easy on his knee and what not. I doubt rey leaves when chris and chavo is in WWE. Plus like I say, if he wants a lighter schedule, then a company on the rise who want to tour will not be good for them. Bishoff might leave but he only had one good storyline being NWO. After that everything else was lame. Soon WCW was NWO.

 

[BRandonkin]

Most of what TNA has been doing in relation to pushing former WWE talent was so they could garner a spot on Spike TV in the first place (Christian, Rhino, Dudleys). It's also important for them to do this because if they have elevated WWE talent squaring off against their own guys and having even matches, then it makes the TNA boys look like they can go toe-to-toe. This is a lot of the same strategy WCW displayed back when they were having a mass exodus of talent from up north come down to Atlanta. TNA spent time doing what a lot of people are suggesting in terms of building their own stars and it got them a failed Fox Sports run and a show that was only broadcast on the internet for months, not a solid recipe for fiscal security. They did what they had to survive as they realized that some of their younger talent was a bit green in the character department and didn't hold up the personality aspect of things.

Sting was brought in as a short term ratings boots and to help him finish up his career with at least a morsel of dignity. Angle was brought in and pushed heavily because he should be. He's probably one of the best workers alive today and is also a successful character. He's had less than a handful of matches with victories over some TNA guys at the outset and people are spelling doom as Angle is the most selfish bastard in the business. If they would've brought him in and jobbed him, that would've damaged his credibility instantly. This is what McMahon did to the majority of the WCW and ECW stars he brought onboard in the last five years. They were buried and their viability was damaged as a result. In some cases, Vince was able to rebuild them, but in others he wasn't (especially with former ECW champion Rhino). I think that as long as TNA spends time trying to get people over and doing something fresh with regards to their approach (however disjointed it may be at times) they'll have an easier time of developing characters and finding stuff that works in the end.

Look at the X-division before Russo came on board. ZERO character except for the little bit Daniels, Styles, and Joe had. Sabin, Dutt, and the rest were bland and weren't really over to a point where the audience cared for them as much as they did A.J. and the others. Russo is having to rebuild the X-divison from the ground up, as well as the tag division by doing the intelligent thing and splitting Daniels and Styles after he ran their angle to its finish at BFG. Most of his booking and roster decisions I've been okay with. I'm still on the fence and waiting for some things to come to pass within the next six months before I can make a complete judgment as to whether or not he's done good or failed miserably in his role. Whether or not TNA can make a run at WWE in the near future is very hard to determine at this stage. For all intents and purposes TNA is still a promotion in its infancy. It doesn't have the years and years of legacy to go from as it's pretty much a new entity. WWE has loads of legacy to build from as they've been around for ages and are undeniably the most established name in American pro-wrestling.

I feel you sort of, but dig this. It is like the Rock said, it not about wrestling but the chracter. DIg this, as great of a wrestler as Kurt is, the invincibilty and superhero type feel they are putting on him is lame. I watch his matches to see him lose. This is why I don't think he has made at Championship run yet. Because does not want to lose. Hell he could lose by interference and being screwed. But people are not interfering til after he wins. He just seems to incredible. Like I was happy when DX lost. WWE had Shawn lose in singles and HHH lose in singles, to show some vulnerabity, but angle has none.

 

[alfrog]

i, like 31 others said no, tna is pathetic the best star they have is kurt angle and whats all this its damn real crap its so stupid, and VKN who do they think they are they want to be dx but theyre crap they had a traffic cone for a megaphone wwe aren't gonna care tna pisses me off and too think thats what got me back into wrestling

 

[lapel8533]

I never said I didn't like christian, I just said he is a wwe reject.Fact. I actually love christian but he is a wwe reject.

 

[showtyme27]

so your telling me that all the great mic work by HHH, Chris Jericho, Christain, The Rock, Stone Cold, Mick Foley, and many more are fed lines? don't get me wrong the writers may come up with the base subject but the wrestlers personality and skill on the mic puts the promo over which means they know what they basicly have to say but they improvise, don't you thing if they could stick a ear piece on Batista and get him over on the mic like The Rock they would I mean lets get real being great on the mic is a skill otherwise every wrestler would be great on the mic you either got or you don't that's just the way it is, Andre the giant is better compared to Khaili the Big show actually has talent and is great for his size, Andre didn't have a talented bone in his body he could barely move let alone wrestle, damn you know your stuff UPW not many people know about that I have to respect your wrestling knowledge but I just can't agree with you Cena is a increible talent and will shine a little brighter in the future, as far as workrate i'd have to disagree again TNA has much lighter work dates than WWE, so when you watch impact the TNA guys slept in their beds and are fully rested but WWE guys have been traveling all over the world and are wore out so with that in mind WWE has TNA beat hands down, TNA's PPV's are good but not that good some not all of their PPV's are on par with WWE's and in some cases better but not to the extreme you are saying I love TNA and WWE and will continue to buy both PPV's I just enjoy watching, and I truly hope TNA gets bigger stronger and better quickly so all us wrestling fans can enjoy.

 

[Dark_Blue]

Isn't a reject someone the company didn't want? Christian turned down WWE's new contract so he rejected them.

Basically people go to WWE for money, and people go to TNA after being mis-used & ignored while other "talent" who aren't as talented as Funaki's left testicle gets the push lol

 

[lapel8533]

No. It's not "just" that. Had you actually read my other post on this subject you would of realized what else a reject is.

 

[Dyren]

Why did Jeff go to WWE?
1. Money
2. Reunite with matt
3. easy push. (WWE has no decent tag teams, so jeff and matt will be tag champs within the next few weeks.promise.)
4. TNA didnt want him anymore

I hate WWE, and i've always hated Jeff Hardy. Hardy's just one less piece of crap i have to put up with on tna...

now if only theyd get rid of Smiley..

 

[Catlmutln187]

TNA YOU FUCKING SUCK, TNA WILL BE DESTROYED BY MR. Vincent McMahon one day!

wow, i liked how you backed up your opinions. I understand if you wanna watch the same show week after week but damn dude, keep it to yourself.

BOT, Jeff Hardy is the most overated wrestler of 2006 i beleive. Everyone thought he like died or something when he was in TNA. Then he comes back and hes the most loved thing in the world. In TNA, he was also ridicolously overated and even more untalented. Hes just this short guy that does some crazy spots occasionaly. TNA already had way more hardcore wrestling in Abyss who is def a lot better then the washed up Hardy imo.

 

[jefferson411]

Well from my memory ever hung off his nuts when he was in TNA like he was the best thing that ever happened then when he jumped to WWE everyone is like he was never that good, he was over rated, he sucks so on and so forth. I think if any guy jumped from WWE to TNA they would sweat him but as soon as one goes from TNA to WWE he is no big deal, was never good and all that jazz.

My example is everyone bashes HHH but if he wanted to jump to TNA would you really say no? You might say that you would say that but I don't think if the oppurtunity really presened itself that anyone would turn him down.

 

[Dark_Blue]

You can argue which organization is better but it won't solve anything in this situation. Both companies have stars who left & joined the other company. Each reason for each superstar is different to their own advantage. Whether it's money, a push, more freedom, creative control, etc.

WWE offered more money than TNA, & had his brother Matt. That's why Jeff left.

 

[ErkBono23]

theres really no argument as to which organization is better..its clearly WWE...the ratings show it..the audience shows it...the arenas they travel to show it..everything they do shows it..that is from a business stand point and that is all that matters...not who can wrestler better...clearly there is a reason for wwe being ontop and tna having kurt angle and still not bein shit

 

[Xtreme Animals]

I have read some of the posts that been posted already. I haven't read them all yet! Let's face it it's alot already and all I wanted to do is put in my two cents here. Please don't hate but would like feedback.

This is how the battle looks to me as a wrestling fan. I grew up watching WCW and WWF and I must say I enjoy both no matter even when they had bad matches or bad gimmicks. I've been looking back at some of the old shows and PPV's and really looking how bad those matches really were. Back then they didn't have too many talented guys like they do now so it was hard to judge. I think once WCW got closed down and a lot of the smaller guys went to the Indies it help the to develop little bit more then WCW did. This was during the whole Invasion which could've been way much better no matter what the wrestlers they had to use. They could've gotten more or better but they didn't want to. Vince had the money and power to do whatever he wanted to do. We all knew though that WWE was going to win the war it just to help some of the guys get over or beaten up. Either way Vince screwed the Invasion up and could've gotten way much money if he really thought it over more but that's old news. Now back to the Indy scenes there was a lot developing there was a lot that I was watching for different reasons like Pro Wrestling Guerrilla, Ring of Honor, World Wrestling All-Stars, and Xtreme Pro Wrestling. Then of course TNA finally also develop. Of course it wasn't the best or biggest stars but it was very interesting to watch. As a fan it was something new and I liked it because WWE was typical and nothing exciting as much as it should've been. There were still feuds that haven't been done yet. Of course WWE doesn't give us the fans what we want all the time even though sometimes Vince does say he does but not really. Also matches that was built up to be on PPV's you can already seen it on TV or there will be a rematch to be shown on TV. So, why bother paying more then $30 bucks to watch something that can be seen on PPV. I barely buy any more WWE PPV's because it's just cheaper sometime to buy then order it. With TNA it has been different and yeah they have changed there prices a few times but it's been worth it. I get to see more wrestling then Interviews and entertainment unlike WWE shows. There's not much wrong with that because it is good and funny at times but true fans or believe in wrestling more then Interviews and entertainment/sketches aren't everything.

If I had to pick which promotion I like better then I would have to go with TNA because of the youth and it's better to watch. The only reason I would consider WWE at this point would because of the reunite of the Hardy Boyz and of course I'm going to say it D-X. That's not much for me to pick WWE over TNA. They do have more talents on there roster without including OVW/DSW talents. This is how I see it I may miss a few people on both sides but it's sort of accurate I think! WWE has a total of 114 talents and TNA has a total of 54 talents right now. As you can see WWE has 60 talents more then TNA but if you really think about those 60 people probably not even that good or just jobbers in most of ours eyes as wrestling fans. If we break it down between Wrestlers, Divas, and Teams this is what I came up with. Starting with WWE and then it will be TNA side. Here we go WWE: 93 Wrestlers, 21 Divas, and 15 Tag Teams & TNA: 49 Wrestlers, 5 Knockouts, and 7 Tag Teams. What I am about to do is break it down and picking the guys are the heart of WWE and see how many names I get. Then I am going to put them against TNA talents. Like I mention before I may have miss a few people or teams are no longer together. Here we go and I will also discuss my theory on which side my come out on top. Don't get mad if I leave some people out or don't match them up right. On another side note I have been a fan for the past 14 years of my life. Don't believe just ask my family!


WWE (40) vs TNA (40)

Raw Side (13), Smackdown! Side (16), and ECW Side (11) vs TNA (40)

Batista vs Kurt Angle
Bobby Lashley vs Rhino
Booker T vs Jeff Jarrett
Brian Kendrick vs Jay Lethal
Carlito Cool vs Chase Stevens
Charlie Haas vs Eric Young
Chavo Guerrero vs Jerry Lynn
Chris Benoit vs Samoa Joe
CM Punk vs Chris Harris
Edge vs Christian Cage
Eugene vs Robert Roode
Gregory Helms vs Senshi
Hardcore Holly vs James Storm
Jamie Noble vs David Young
Jeff Hardy vs Homicide
Jimmy Wang-Yang vs Elix Skipper
John Cena vs Ron Killings
John Layfield vs Raven
Johnny Nitro vs Shark Boy
Kane vs Abyss
Ken Kennedy vs Sonjay Dutt
Matt Hardy vs Maverick Matt
Paul London vs Petey Williams
Randy Orton vs Kevin Nash or Scott Steiner
Rey Mysterio vs Christopher Daniels
Ric Flair vs Austin Starr
Rob Van Dam vs AJ Styles
Sabu vs Alex Shelley
Shannon Moore vs Frankie Kazarian
Shawn Michaels vs Kip James
Shelton Benjamin vs Chris Sabin
Stevie Richards vs Cassidy Riley
Super Crazy vs Johnny Devine
Test vs Lance Hoyt
The Big Show vs Brother Ray
The Sandman vs Brother Devon
The Undertaker vs Sting
Tommy Dreamer vs Brother Runt
Triple H vs B.G. James
William Regal vs Andy Douglas

Now this may not be the best way to put TNA against WWE in singles competition. I may have chose the wrong people for stupid reasons. I didn't think it would be this hard to pick 40 guys vs 40 guys. Maybe some of you guys can do better or at least tell me would you would different. I'll be looking forward to you guys opinion on this.


WWE Divas (11) vs TNA Knockouts (5)

Ashley Massaro vs Christy Hemme
Beth Phoenix vs Gail Kim
Candice Michelle vs Miss Brooks
Jazz vs Gail Kim
Lilian Garcia vs So Cal Val
Melina Perez vs Jackie Gayda
Michelle McCool vs Jackie Gayda
Mickie James vs Gail Kim
Torrie Wilson vs Christy Hemme
Trinity vs Gail Kim
Victoria vs Gail Kim

WWE do have more Divas then TNA Knockouts. WWE would win this battle because they have more wrestlers but if it was on looks and bikini type contest. It will come very close for both sides. I will say WWE would still win because most of the Divas have been on WWE more then TNA uses there Knockouts. It would be interesting if TNA just had a really true wrestler besides Gail then TNA might win but Gail would have to do most of the fighting. She shouldn't be able to last to long if it was Stable type match but in singles who knows.


WWE Tag Teams (11) vs TNA Tag Teams (7/11)

Brothers of Destruction vs Team 3-D
Cryme Tyme vs Hoyt & Killings
Degeneration-X vs Voodoo Kin Mafia
Hardy Boyz vs Daniels & Styles
Paul London & Brian Kendrick vs Sabin & Lethal
Team Rated RKO vs America's Most Wanted
Test & Mike Knox vs Latin American eXchange
The FBI vs Kazarian & Bentley
The Basham Brothers vs The Naturals
Tommy Dreamer & The Sandman vs Raven & Rhino
William Regal & Dave Taylor vs Alex Shelley & Austin Starr

Without saying much about the tag teams. Just by looking at all of them and even the ones that were together thoughout 2006 and now. TNA has the better tag team division now going against WWE would be interesting to see. The reason I go with TNA hands down is that most of the teams have youth and are really great together. Now for the sake of WWE bringing back some old teams which is what TNA has got as well. TNA still will come out on top for many different reasons. I just really like TNA but only teams WWE really got that would draw me back is Brothers of Destruction, Degeneration-X, Hardy Boyz, and Paul London & Brian Kendrick. That's not enough for me unlike TNA they got it all if they wanted to.


WWE Stables (1) vs TNA Stables (1)

Spirit Squad (Mitch, Kenny, Mikey, Johnny, and Nicky) vs Team TNA (Chris Sabin, Sonjay Dutt, Jay Lethal, Alex Shelley, and Elix Skipper)

Spirit Squad isn't worthy TNA's best now the guys that I did pick are great but come on Styles, Daniels, Jarrett, Lynn, and etc would kill them. I guess we should spice it up even more by putting in Petey Williams or Eric Young or Brother Runt or Cassidy Riley or David Young. Either way I can see TNA totally dominate this match.


If would really break it down with the Single, Tag Team, and Stable and everyone only gets to wrestle once. TNA could pull out the victory because of there wrestling ability. With teams that can work well with each others and of course managers could come into place. I'll go for TNA but then again WWE do have the most experience on there side especially if Chris Jericho, Steve Austin, and even The Rock came back. Now if we were going by entertainment and interviews instead of matches wise then WWE can win. I'm not saying TNA doesn't have any one good to work the mic but people just consider it to WWE without any questions about it. If this could really happen and all gloves were off. Meaning retired wrestlers came out of the wood works, indy wrestlers, and foreign stars were legal and the thing is money can't be in place for them to pick which side to go to. Any former TNA stars that were in WWE can go to TNA side the same way for WWE. Of course if that would be the case then half of TNA roster is almost WWE former stars.


If I really truly honestly pick a side just by these names or if they can bring in people all over the world. I would say TNA would still win the battle. Some of the guys don't like WWE and some of the foreign as already been in TNA and really enjoy it. WWE already don't like or even give some of the guys another chance if they wanted to. Speaking of a few foreign names like maybe Taka M, Mr. Aguila, Juvi, and Psicosis to list a few names. There are a lot more of course! It would be interesting if ROH, Mexico, and Japan really did come into place especially if they were on the TNA side. If that did happen WWE would get beaten because of sooo many young experience wrestlers.


That's all I'm going to say please let me know what you guys think of this and don't be to harsh though. Later everyone!


G

 

[Uncle Sam]

People say that Jeff Hardy is this super athletic, "extreme", risk-taking guy. I'll just say this: watch Hardy's match with Abyss (Full Metal Mayhem), then watch AJ Styles' match with Abyss (Six Sides of Steel). The only guy in WWE that can measure up to the X division is Shelton Benjamin and just look what's happening to him.

 

[ErkBono23]

yea thats cuz shelton sucks at promos and doesnt know how to bring out the full character within himself like hhh would portray for example..u cant only have good wrestling and expect to make it...IT DOESNT ONLY TAKE WRESTLING..which is y he is being used the way he is

 

[jefferson411]

yea thats cuz shelton sucks at promos and doesnt know how to bring out the full character within himself like hhh would portray for example..u cant only have good wrestling and expect to make it...IT DOESNT ONLY TAKE WRESTLING..which is y he is being used the way he is

Furthermore, this is why a guy like Benoit isn't winning titles, he has no charisma. Everyone knows he is most likely the most talented wrestler on the WWE roster, but he doesn't win the title. Not because WWE hates him but becuase to make it anywhere you need promo skills. TNA fans ignore this and jump on WWE for not pushing good wrestlers, but there is more to wrestling than just wrestling, something TNA is learning right now apparently from the way they are getting more and more gimmicky (Bikini matches?).

 

[Kazarian]

If you think about the impact that TNA has had in the short space of time it has been around and they are now starting to have more and more talent from the old WWE stars who are well from over and th ones who are unhappy then think about the legnth of time WWE has been around and that it is causing unrest especially with the whole situation with Heyman then it is only a matter of time when TNA will challenge WWE for popularity majority

 

[showtyme27]

You guys are horribly bashing on Jeff Hardy, I do believe Jeff is a little overrated but he's still a incredible talent and enjoyible to watch in the ring, i'm also going to say this again WWE's roster is far superior to TNA's roster even through WWE mis-uses most of it's talent they still have the best roster in wrestling, one more thing everybody keeps talking about how great AJ Styles is but to me he's just as overrated as Jeff Hardy They both are limited on the mic but they are increduble ahtletes and entertaining to watch in the ring, as far as people in WWE measuring up to the X-Division there are so many superstars on the WWE roster that would be incredible in that division let's not get to far out of hand most of TNA's roster would be low card jobbers because of the fact they can't get it done on the mic, you TNA marks are fooling yourselves into believeing TNA has the superiour roster/show when that's just not true WWE don't need to worry about TNA until they start getting at least a 2.0 rating every week even the great Paul Heyman and his rabid ECW fans couldn't achive that, I think you guys are seeing more than what is actually there TNA can't compete with WWE right now they are severly outmatched.

 

[WWEfan_316]

I used to be a WWE fan alone and hated TNA but now that I see RAW with Cena and Umaga in the title scene and DX being lamer each week I see TNA as being the better place to go for wrestling which is why I watch WWE anyways. TNA is becoming slowly better and if Vince doesn't start to respond to them soon he will be in trouble later down the line and this is coming from a former WWE loyalist.

 

[Kasey]

Furthermore, this is why a guy like Benoit isn't winning titles, he has no charisma. Everyone knows he is most likely the most talented wrestler on the WWE roster, but he doesn't win the title. Not because WWE hates him but becuase to make it anywhere you need promo skills. TNA fans ignore this and jump on WWE for not pushing good wrestlers, but there is more to wrestling than just wrestling, something TNA is learning right now apparently from the way they are getting more and more gimmicky (Bikini matches?).

Benoit has no charisma? Bullshit to the Nth degree. Charisma doesn't just involve kiping cheap pops from an audience and using catch-phrases to get over. He was so over going into Wrestlemania 20 that it was beyond apparent the fans worshipped him, seeing as he helped carry the best match of that entire card (a 40 minute clinic, no less). He's never needed the gimmickry as he's been more over than most of main-eventers in any company since 1997. Hey, if the WWE's current strategy of promos over wrestling is so ingenious, why have the ratings taken a nosedive in the last few years? The WWF had a great recipe that worked like a charm, as wrestling was pushed as much as the gimmickry. They disregarded that and left the most important ingredient out of the mix...and here we are. $hit wrestling and a live soap opera as the backbone of the product? No thanks.

 

[Kasey]

yea thats cuz shelton sucks at promos and doesnt know how to bring out the full character within himself like hhh would portray for example..u cant only have good wrestling and expect to make it...IT DOESNT ONLY TAKE WRESTLING..which is y he is being used the way he is

HHH's character is so deep. It involves hogging airtime telling everyone how great your are in a horrible monotone voice whilst sporting a Wyatt Earp mustache. If that's the recipe for success, I'm not buying. He got over because he perpetually had a title stapled to his ass by his new daddy since he began schlepping the princess. Shelton was extremely over upon his entry to Raw because of how good he was in the ring (hence the huge pops when he'd slap the piss out of HHH). Instead of focusing on that, they tried to push him into interviews he wasn't ready for. THEY damaged his credibility. They needed to understand that some guys can get over simply by working their ass off in the ring and impressing the fans with their ability. Instead, they tried to slap the "E" all over him and they shot themselves in the foot with it. Shelton needed a character "enhancement" at that point like he needed a good case of The Clap.