Unforgiven: WHC Championship Scramble

[CaseyisBA52'sGFnow]

This takes alot away from the prestige of the World title. But i like the idea anyway my guess would be that JBL will score the first fall then Batista will score the next fall with around 5 minutes to go then Cm Punk will pin Kane with time almost run out. That's kinda scary because that would make Batista a 4 time world champion and CM Punk a 2 time world champion.And i think that they are counting the changes in the match as title wins because Mike Adamle said that the Championship is guranteed to change hands multiple times.

 

[jokerbateman86]

As far as the match goes, I think it's an interesting idea. It could be a good match, but we'll have to wait and see. But I agree with most people on here when they say that this match was made for Punk to win.

The problem they've been having with Punk's matches is that he doesn't look good wrestling against bigger opponents. They don't sell his moves that match and their wrestling styles are different. The powerhouse style does not mix that well with the technical style or run n gun style that Punk has. There are only a few wrestlers who can pull off these matches and none of them are feuding with Punk.

Jericho has beaten Punk twice this year (once after Wrestlemania and this past RAW) and both were clean victories. So why not have him in this type of match? Jericho is at his best with one on one matches. If this match had Jericho in it, it would be kind of cool, but Jericho is at his best in a singles match. And from what we have seen, he has some real good chemistry with Punk. I say you finish the HBK/Jericho feud at Unforgiven with Jericho going over and have Jericho face Punk (or Cena whoever wins the title from these two competitors) at No Mercy. If Kane wins it, he will be feuding against Rey or Batista and I highly doubt JBL is gonna win it. I do find it odd that Jericho has been, for many not all, one of the best things on RAW right now and they still don't have the World title around his waist. Of course I'm going to show my Jericho bias here, but he really deserves that title more than anyone else.

 

[Shocky]

So I'm personally calling out anyone that is bitching about this match. If you want to debate one on one, your on, and you'll lose.

Norcal put it best, you all bitch and piss and moan about the WWE being stale and uncreative, and low and behold, the WWE makes a new match, with a pretty interesting concept, and everyone can't wait to run to the keyboard to bash the shit out of it. Seriously, time to pull the heads out of the rear.

For starters, did no one listen to what Adamle said at all, or were you too busy pounding away on the keyboard to listen to what he said? He said that the title will indeed change multiple times, but only the person that walks away at the end will be a recognized champion. He said it plain as day, and how anyone missed that point is beyond me.

As far as the time limit, seems a bit odd, but I think it's done moreso for pacing. With only twenty minutes, it seems like the participants are going to be in more of a sense of chaos, so you're going to see a ton more hard hitting action then usual. The sense of urgency is going to be intense.

In this scenario, Punk could lose the title, and not lose any credibility. This, however, reeks of Armageddon 2000. Everyone thought that Angle was going to drop that belt in the Cell, and who would blame anyone for thinking that. In a match with HHH, Undertaker, Rock, and Austin, for Angle to walk out as champion was a pure shocker. Same thing applies to this match, CM Punk walks out with the gold.

Seriously people, you ask for creativity, and the WWE has been doing just that for six weeks, and you're still bitching. What do you want?

 

[HBK-aholic]

As far as the time limit, seems a bit odd, but I think it's done moreso for pacing. With only twenty minutes, it seems like the participants are going to be in more of a sense of chaos, so you're going to see a ton more hard hitting action then usual. The sense of urgency is going to be intense.

This is probably the reason it's done yeah. It just seems a little odd. Especially for the amount of men there is in it. Most Main events go on longer than this. And while I'm unsure if this will be the main event or not, I think they could easily get away with an extra 10 minutes. It will be incredibly urgent, but it would be with any time limit, within reason. I think with how good this is going to be, a little more time would be for the best.

 

[DeadmanFan]

Agreed. I was quite shocked at Armageddon 2000 myself, not quite believing that Angle was still the champion. I think this will be a very good match and the chaotic element will be breathing down everyone's necks. However, I do have one beef with it: Jericho should be added to it, especially now that he beat CM Punk cleanly in his hometown last night.

 

[Uncle Sam]

In this scenario, Punk could lose the title, and not lose any credibility. This, however, reeks of Armageddon 2000. Everyone thought that Angle was going to drop that belt in the Cell, and who would blame anyone for thinking that. In a match with HHH, Undertaker, Rock, and Austin, for Angle to walk out as champion was a pure shocker. Same thing applies to this match, CM Punk walks out with the gold.

Am I the only one that was 100% damn sure that Rikishi was going to be walking out champion? No?

Seriously people, you ask for creativity, and the WWE has been doing just that for six weeks, and you're still bitching. What do you want?

To be fair, although this easily couldn't be the case, just because someone was asking for originality and got originality, it doesn't mean they have to like it. Obviously, it may not be the type of originality they want. Setting JR on fire would have been original... Wait, no, they actually did that before, didn't they? That was meant to be some sort of bizarre example and then half way through I realised. Hilarious. OK, splitting the world title in tag team titles would be original, although people wouldn't necessarily like it, even if they were asking for originality.

As for me, I don't see much originality in the concept at all, but like it. It seems like those Hardcore title matches they'd used to have years ago. Punk'll walk out champion, I'm sure of it. It'll be entertaining enough though, and I expect the title to "change hands" several times.

 

[Joaquim Akaem]

I like the idea of this match, altough I think the announcement was about a month too late. After Raw a few weeks ago when all these 5 men were in the ring brawling after a tag match, I was crying out for a 5 way at Summerslam, and I still believe that there should have been one, considering that JBL looks a lot weaker having lost to Punk twice already, Kane seems to be too involved with other things now when before he was brawling with Batista, Cena is now comming off of two huge ppv losses and looks considerably weaker as a contender, Batista and Punk also have some unfinished business because neither of their title matches had a clean end, but this seems to have been forgotten about for a number of weeks.

I was a big fan of the hardcore time limit title fight back at 'mania 16, but this time its for the heavyweight championship with 4 of the top comtenders involved. Im sure its gonna be great. It seems that twice since Adamles reign as GM, he has used the drama of a counting down clock in matches, I hope he makes it his trademark from now on, Beat the clock sprints, iron man matches and crazy stipulations, i'm definatley in favour of this.

 

[AFC1986]

I am looking forward to this match as I feel 4 of them have a strong chance of winning the belt. This match could help to hide CM Punk's negatives in the ring, but he could easily retain the belt as he is being booked in the same way Mysterio was when he was champ, and that is getting beat down and pulling out a miraculous win. JBL could easily win the belt as he has been in the title match for the second straight PPV and usually a heel wins the rematch. I can see him stealing the win after capatalising on someone doing their finisher and then throwing that person out of the ring. Batista is on fire at the moment and I think . Cena could win but I don't see it happening as he has lost at the last 3 PPV events and it would be stupid if he were to win after losing so many matches. Kane for me id favourite to win as he is being given a huge push at the moment and I think it would be interesting to see him carry on his disturbed character as world champion

 

[Starchild]

This match is very intriguing in my book. If nothing else, it can't be denied that this match is different. Yea, we saw it for the hardcore title...8 years ago!
And with the guys in this match, I expect for some good action and tons of nice spots. I agree that we will see title changes, I'd venture to say everyone gets at least one. In the end though, I see Punk getting a GTS out of nowhere, likely on JBL, in the waining seconds to remain champ. Doesn't make anyone look weak in the process, but I think it does make Punk look a bit stronger. I mean, he is clearly the underdog and there are some big names here, but even if it does seem predictable, a win is a win.

Now, as for Jericho being in. I think he gets a shot on Raw and Michaels interferes setting up and I Quit match or something between those 2 at Unforgiven to end that feud. I then see Jericho entering into a program with Punk that I think has potential to be great, and easily more entertaining than JBL in the title picture. Then Jericho takes the title at either Cyber Sunday or Survivor Series.

 

[TThomas6128]

IMO this has clusterfuck written all over it. This is so stupid. As if the WHC needs to lose more credibility. This match will help it lose tons

 

[oneandonly]

I don't see why people are complaining about the twenty minute time limit. Sure Punk,Cena, and Batista are capable of wrestling for this period of time but it was 30 or 40 minutes JBL might just pass out in the middle of the ring. This should be a great match. Wish Jericho was in it instead of JBL.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

So I'm personally calling out anyone that is bitching about this match. If you want to debate one on one, your on, and you'll lose.

Norcal put it best, you all bitch and piss and moan about the WWE being stale and uncreative, and low and behold, the WWE makes a new match, with a pretty interesting concept, and everyone can't wait to run to the keyboard to bash the shit out of it. Seriously, time to pull the heads out of the rear.

For starters, did no one listen to what Adamle said at all, or were you too busy pounding away on the keyboard to listen to what he said? He said that the title will indeed change multiple times, but only the person that walks away at the end will be a recognized champion. He said it plain as day, and how anyone missed that point is beyond me.

As far as the time limit, seems a bit odd, but I think it's done moreso for pacing. With only twenty minutes, it seems like the participants are going to be in more of a sense of chaos, so you're going to see a ton more hard hitting action then usual. The sense of urgency is going to be intense.

In this scenario, Punk could lose the title, and not lose any credibility. This, however, reeks of Armageddon 2000. Everyone thought that Angle was going to drop that belt in the Cell, and who would blame anyone for thinking that. In a match with HHH, Undertaker, Rock, and Austin, for Angle to walk out as champion was a pure shocker. Same thing applies to this match, CM Punk walks out with the gold.

Seriously people, you ask for creativity, and the WWE has been doing just that for six weeks, and you're still bitching. What do you want?

Well said. Rep coming your way.

I missed the Adamle segment, so I didn't hear about whether or not the titles would be recognized, but man is that a breath of fresh air to hear that it won't. I didn't want JBL to win it for 30 seconds or something and then have the announcers call him a 2-time world champion and so forth.

Honestly, though, I think Punk is going to retain throughout this. Its a little too early for Cena as champ...Kane is going to be jobbing on Raw to Mysterio so he can't win this...Batista, I just can't see it happening...and JBL? Give me a break. Punk is likely to retain here and drop it to Orton or Jericho a little while from now.

 

[D.I.S 202]

Although I rather have all five men compete in some type of elimination match with the last man standing being the champion, I like this championship scramble concept because the match is always going to be fast paced with all five men fighting at the same time. Even though I think there will be a new champion crowned at Unforgiven it wouldn't surprise me if Punk retains the title and I can also see Cena or Batista winning the match as well. With the different options I not too confident who will win so that adds a new element to the match.

 

[wwefan49]

I think Jericho will come out next Monday and demand to be in the match. Then HBK will come back and say no you have unfinished buisiness with me. Which will setup Jericho vs Micheals at Unforgiven in maybe an I Quit match. I think Punk will walk out champ after pciking up the win at the end. Cena will pin Batista after an FU about 8 minutes in. Then Punk will pin JBL after a GTS while Batista and Kane are busy with each other and Cena is taken out by a chair shot from JBL. Punk will have taken out all his contendors and in his eyes proven his worth as a champion. JBL will say how he stole it at the end and Cena will be upset because he was gonna be champion again if he'd held on a little longer. Since Punk will have eliminated all his challengers. Jericho will challenge him at No Mercy.

 

[jokerbateman86]

This reminds me alot of No Way Out this year. The whole two elimination chambers for number one contenders, but of course, these matches are for the titles and have a different gimmick, but it seems to me that they are putting all their eggs in one basket for Unforgiven. It will be very interesting to say the least and now that The Brian Kendrick (love this guy) and MVP are a part of it, it should get even more interesting.

P.S. Just thought I should mention this, but No Way Out was the best PPV so far this year.

 

[valon10]

Look,I know for one I don't want John Cena to win he had a long title reign last time he held it.JBL will feud either with John Cena or Batista but, those feuds have been played out done before in other words.Anyway what's the point of having this match?CM Punk winning it and dropping the title to Chris Jericho down the road.This match could go either way if you think about look at participants in match most of them have feuds going on at the moment.Kane would be a decent champion even though his ECW title reign sucked in the end but,he's feuding with Rey Mysterio and how can some people say Kane is jobbing to Rey?Does anyone have prove that he is jobbing to him?What makes you think Kane won't win if they have a match?I see Randy Orton feuding with Chris Jericho now that's a match, one of them have to turn face though or you can maybe have two heels fight for the title.I, don't see how that makes sense anyway!

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

Why, is everyone saying that having this ''Championship Scramble'' match at Unforgiven puts the WHC at the same caliber as the Hardcore Title? First of all, the Hardocre Title had the 24/7 rule and even if the Championship Scramble match has every pin count as an official reign, it's only one frickin time. So PLEASE don't compare the World Heavyweight Championship and the Hardcore Championship... THEY ARE NOTHIN ALIKE. With that being said, I can see any 5 of the particpants winning and think I know why the WWE would decide to have any of the win. Let's start with...

The champion C.M. Punk. Just like everyone else, I think that if the WWE would decide to make Punk retain once again, it would be to have him finally get that huge win that the man needs to make his non-believers realize that his World Title win wasn't a fluke and he is a credible champ. I also think that Punk will get the pin, most likely on J.B.L. again, with only a few seconds left to retain, but the only problem with that would be that is that Punk will most likely lose the gold at No Mercy.

Batista. If Batista wins the WHC at Unforgiven, it will be because it was just like last year at Unforgiven in which he had many, many title shots during the year and then he finally wins it at Unforgiven. I also see him not winning for the same reason. Now, if Batista does win the WHC, it will clearly mean that he will have a pretty long title reign, which will probably end at WM 25, when Cena makes him tap out to the STFU.

That brings me to John Cena. I would very well LOVE to see another Cena title reign, and believe he deserves it. If Cena were to get the win and the World Heavyweight Championship it will still involve Batista. Except if Cena does win, he will also have a pretty long reign and defend against Batista at WM 25, retain, and then says he was the better man.

J.B.L. I think he is the least likely and least deserving to win the WHC. He's already lost to the champ on 2 occasions and I simply don't see why he's in this match. If J.B.L. were to win the title, I'm almost 100% sure that he will will win it by either Batista or Cena knocked out in the ring and a groogy Punk groggily performs the GTS, causing him to land on the wrestler on the ground whether it's Batista or Cena and win the title.

Last, but not least Kane. If Kane, were to win the title (which likely won't happen), he will probably lose the title at the next ppv, No Mercy. I say that because he's all caught up in his storyline with Rey Mysterio, with Batista butting in. So as much as I would love to see Kane as champ, I don't see him winning it yet, but if he did he would probably chokeslam someone, probably Cena within a minute left.

That leaves me to the X-Factor named... Chris Jericho. Now, if he is not added to the match, DON'T MOAN about it. He will likely challenge for the title soon and maybe win it, but I can't see a Punk/Jericho feud would be any good unless both were faces, but oh well.
So, I have given you my very logical predictions on how the ending of the match will end up.

 

[jokerbateman86]

"That leaves me to the X-Factor named... Chris Jericho. Now, if he is not added to the match, DON'T MOAN about it. He will likely challenge for the title soon and maybe win it, but I can't see a Punk/Jericho feud would be any good unless both were faces, but oh well."

I do not agree with this part one bit. Jericho/Punk feud would only work with Jericho as the heel and Punk as the face. In case you haven't noticed, Jericho as a heel has worked marvelous for RAW since Orton's absence, so why bother having him go back to face to feud with Punk. Plus, I don't know about other people here, but I'm sick of seeing the face vs. face feuds for the title.

 

[DeadmanInc.]

This has been done before with the Hardcore Title. It worked for that because the title was worthless AND it was already defended 24/7 anyways. Seriously, playing hot potato with the top prize in the business is going to make that title less credible. I hope they don't count each title change as official because that's just a stupid way to make someone a multi-time champion.

The way I hope this match works out is that Punk holds onto the belt the entire match only to lose it in the last few seconds. That way, Punk doesn't look weaker than he already is and there won't be multiple meaningless reigns. From my perspective, I think John Cena is most likely to walk out with the belt. Batista and Kane are probably going to be feuding after that incident on RAW, and JBL has already lost twice to CM Punk. There's no way anyone will take him seriously as a champion.

 

[simpsons_fanatic742]

Here's my breakdown of RAW's Championship Scramble:

Kane - I don't see Kane winning this match because he's involved in a program with Rey Mysterio. I don't think that the WWE is going to have Kane have a feud with Rey involving the title.

J.B.L - I can't see him winning because he's had his chance and I think he works better when he's chasing the champion, but honestly they could make him win.

Batista - He could very well win the title in this match because he has so much momentum right now. He's beaten Cena, been screwed twice against Punk and has been dominating RAW since being drafted.

John Cena - Again, he could win just as much as Batista. He's lost alot recently, but he is always hanging in their. He was never made to look bad in the matches he lost and winning this match could further increase the competition between him and Batista.

CM Punk - I would like to see Punk win this match actually. If he did, he would lose all of that "undeserving and transitional" champion stuff. I honestly hope he walks away from this match the champion still.

Prediction: I would not be surprised at all if at the end of the match, 2 people had a pin and they both won at the same time. In result they can either have a sudden death fall between the two or set up a match at the next PPV. Either this or CM Punk retains.


Uncle Shocky Edit, the rest is spoilers.
Here's my breakdown of Smackdown!'s Championship Scramble:

The Brian Kendrick - Honestly, I see him as a filler because of lack of talent at the moment. It could very well be true that WWE thinks he's ready, but I don'th think so. Having said that, I don't see him winning this match.

M.V.P - For some reason I could see him winning off of some fluke. I would actually prefer that M.V.P wins this match. I don't mind him at all and I think it would be a good change for SD!.

Shelton Benjamin - Unless he loses the U.S. Championship before this match, I don't see him winning either. I don't think the WWE is ready to give him the big title just yet.

Jeff Hardy - The dark horse of the match and probably the second most likely to win this match. Again, right now I don't see Hardy winning the title just yet.

Triple H - I definitely see him winning this match. I don't think he's going to drop the title to this competitors before dropping it to someone like Edge or the Undertaker, but as they say, anything can happen.

Prediction: I see Triple H winning this match and Hardy coming very close to winning.


***100th POST***

 

[PWAQfan]

i dont know wether you people are being supportive or not of this?
personally i see it as a good change and leaves more options open of what can happen then the typical one on ones where we see the same routines played out all the time.
also. i think this makes it that bit more challenging and exciting pins can be coming from everywhere...if you dont like it, please explain to me why?

 

[justinsayne]

Ok I'm really getting tired of sitting here and and reading a bunch of dumbass post about how this match will make the title less credible, or how it will damage the prestige of the title, THE TITLE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PROP, IT IS NOT REAL, SO HOW IN THE FUCK IS THIS MATCH GOING TO MAKE THE TITLE LESS CREDIBLE?!?, I mean seriously you guys are complaining that this match is going to take away prestige from a fake title, do you all realize how utterly ******ed that fucking sounds?!?, just once I'd like to a promotion do something without the entire fucking IWC immediately turning around a shitting all over it, why the fuck do you people even watch wrestling anyway, you apparently don't like anything they do anyways seeing as how you bitch and complain about every fucking thing constantly

 

[PWAQfan]

Am I the only one that was 100% damn sure that Rikishi was going to be walking out champion? No?



To be fair, although this easily couldn't be the case, just because someone was asking for originality and got originality, it doesn't mean they have to like it. Obviously, it may not be the type of originality they want. Setting JR on fire would have been original... Wait, no, they actually did that before, didn't they? That was meant to be some sort of bizarre example and then half way through I realised. Hilarious. OK, splitting the world title in tag team titles would be original, although people wouldn't necessarily like it, even if they were asking for originality.

As for me, I don't see much originality in the concept at all, but like it. It seems like those Hardcore title matches they'd used to have years ago. Punk'll walk out champion, I'm sure of it. It'll be entertaining enough though, and I expect the title to "change hands" several times.

hasn't this already been done? the freebird rule?
where a title or a tag title can be represented by more then just one person.
i like the idea, but you would get people doing that "it's just another weak version of the freebird rule rah rah rah"

 

[Medallion]

How does the scramble actually work, if they are pinned, are they gone? or can they still try again. I think maybe Kane but get first win then maybe Rey comes out and lets Batista win it.

 

[Big Sexy]

How does the scramble actually work, if they are pinned, are they gone? or can they still try again. I think maybe Kane but get first win then maybe Rey comes out and lets Batista win it.

All five guys stay in the match the whole 20 minutes and whoever is the champ after the time is up is the new champion and that is the only official decision (so if you get 2 pinfalls during the match you dont get 2 title reigns only the person with the belt at the end gets credited.)

Although the scramble on RAW has the bigger names, I think the Smackdown one will be a better match. It will also be interesting to see how The Biran Kendrick performs in the match and if his bodyguard Big Zeke helps him out at all. There will definitely be a lot more high spots in the Smackdown match with guys like Benjamin, Kendrick, and Hardy. At the end of the day I think that both Champions will retain their titles in their respective matches