Ty Burna's All Hip Hop Thread

I'd have to go with Method Man, Better lyrics,deeper song was apart of Wu-Tang-Clan. DMX was just a bunch of talk and just had random lyrics where he would just shout. Never really felt his music. Gonna have to go with Meth.
 
As a Wu Tang superfan, I have no choice but to pick Meth. Imo Meth is easily one of the best rhyme slangers of all time, he's got some of the slickest wordplay, he's fucking hillarious, and his flow is one of the best. And like jmt said, he's consistent, he's been killing tracks since Enter the 36 Chambers and hasn't stopped yet.

DMX was really good, but now he's just garbage, and even when he was really good, some of his songs fuckin' sucked. I've yet to hear a song I legitamately don't like from Meth, I've heard tons of songs by DMX that were just awful.

So yea, I love DMX, especially his old shit like Damien, and Crime Story and shit like that, but Meth is that dude.
 
Not a knock on DMX at all, but I'm going to have to go with Meth. I'm a huge Wu fan (actually, they're one of the only groups I've got all of their albums as a physical copy) and he was always my favourite member along with GFK in the past. Thinking of all the tracks he's done, I can't really think of any that I've actually disliked, I think he's got a voice that just works with the style of music he does.

That said, DMX is a good choice too. I wouldn't argue against anyone voting for him. Whenever I think of tracks like Ruff Ryders' Anthem and We Right Here, I always think of an energy that he brings that I want to see in more modern day rappers. The way he shout and barks over thumping beats is always something that will get me pumped up.

I guess a good case could be put forward for both of them. At the end though, I'd be lying to myself if I didn't go for Method Man in this battle. The deciding thing for me was the song Method Man. As much as I have enjoyed his solo stuff, whenever I think of 36 Chambers, that's the song I think of first, before C.R.E.A.M. or anything else and I'd say that's probably due to him. Meth it is.
 
I'm wondering if any of you guys think Pusha T canmake it as a solo artist? I don't know if many of you have listened to him but he's a phenomenal artist. He's signed to Kanye West's G.O.O.D. Music record label. He may be known as one half of the duo, The Clipse. He appeared in Kanye West’s Runaway and various of other tracks on Kanye’s latest album My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Fear of God feature svery top notch producing like Kanye West, Nottz and the almighty Neptunes. sSome tracks I like from the mix tape include My God, Feelin' Myself and his free style over Soulja Boy's Speakers Going Hammer.

My God
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Feelin' Myself
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Speakers Going Hammer Freestyle
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Good or not?
 
Judging by Hamlertainment's post, this whole Weekly Rap Battle Discussion might need to be done in a subthread so things aren't clouded.
 
I'm wondering if any of you guys think Pusha T canmake it as a solo artist?


Judging by the songs you posted, I will say he will have some moderate commercial success for a rapper. Mainly because most rap all kinda sounds the same because it sells and/or it is "credible." I don't mind the Neptunes (they did an awesome remix of a BSB song I love :p), but if it wasn't for Will.I.Am's ego and Fergie, I really couldn't tell the two sounds apart.


I haven't heard much sampling these days outside of Nicki Minaj, but everyone but me hates her music. Maybe this will get my point across better. :p
 
Finishing up last week's battle, here's my two cents, followed by our next battle.

I'm going to look at it this way, do I take the absolute monstrosity of X's prime, or do I take the consistency of Method Man? Method is certainly the better lyricist, but you can't deny the emotion and passion that X always put into his music, so I'm going to take DMX here by the slimmest of margins. I don't think it's nearly as cut and dry as many put it here, but to each their own, that's why we're here right? I love Method Man, don't get me wrong. I'm a lot like jmt where I grew up listening to X, and now in my more maturing years I'm finding myself listening to Method Man. However that being said, DMX's first 3 albums were on my all time favorites list for quite sometime, in fact I still think they may just be in the top 15 without going into an official listing for those. I certainly appreciate Method's work, but his albums haven't reached my all time list. That can always change, but like I said I'm going with X just on the premise that he was the one that really dragged me into hip hop and got it hooked in my brain.

However, I saw far more support for Method Man, so I'm going to give him the victory in our first battle. Now let's take a look at the second battle.

Ice Cube


Vs.

Nas


Yes sir, we're going with some old school East Coast vs. West Coast here. Ice Cube, one of the leaders of the gangsta rap movement, NWA alumni, actually one of the more politically outspoken rappers (before everyone jumped on the Obama bandwagon a couple years back). Here's a man who helped create the controversy and the legend of NWA, before breaking out onto his own and really carving out his own legend in the hip hop game. His diss tracks towards Eazy and NWA were absolutely killer, the storytelling, the flow, you know Ice Cube. Would you say Ice Cube is a top notch lyricist? I'll let y'all discuss that one. I know Cube has been trying to reinvent his gangsta rap image with his last two albums, unfortunately I Am The West was not as good as advertised. That being said I believe you can count AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted as a classic hip hop album which more than makes up for it. You can also throw in him cleaning his image up at one point with the kids movies and TV shows he was working on. You can't hate on him, gotta make your money somehow.

On the other hand you have Nas who is the closest thing to a hip hop poet we've had since 2pac. There's no denying Nas' incredible ability on the microphone, hell some look to him as the best in the game today (I am certainly not one to argue against that, I may bring up a few names but I'd be just fine as Nas being crowned best rapper alive). But don't let those arguments deter you. He has had some down spots in his career, Nastradamus was rushed and failed expectations. After that album, Nas did fall off for a moment before the feud with Jay-Z and the release of Stillmatic. He's been on a roll ever since including dropping an album with Damien Marley, a highly rated album in my books.

I open the floor to y'all. Are you in a New York State of Mind, or are you connected to the Westside?
 
I'd like to start by saying Ice Cube is a beast. From NWA, to his solo work, to Westside Connection, he has always been great and is one of the rawest guys to ever pick up a mic. That said, the answer to this question is Nas and I really don't know if it's all that debatable.

Nas is a top 5 rapper of all time and put out arguably the best hip hop album ever in "Illmatic." Lyrically there is almost no one who can match him. He has a ton of classic songs and even just recently showed he is just as good as ever with the release of his song "Nasty." No disrespect at all to Cube, he just happens to be going against a superior rapper.
 
This is hard, I like both Ice Cube and Nas as rappers but right now I'm feeling Nas more, Nas is the closest thing we've had the next 2Pac other then Eminem. He has a wide subject range, and his lyricism on key. Same with Cube but at the same time alot of Cube's song was simply gangsta rap and against America. I have to go with Nas here simply due to more variety and out of personal preference.
 
Well, I am gonna go with Cube. I live nearer the left coast, so I grew up with much more Cube. His NWA years were intense and Rick Ross wishes he could be such an intense angry fat black man like Cube :)p, still like Rick tho). But I think more importantly, Cube's music has more universal appeal because he was very blunt in is flow and a lot of songs people remember of Cube were catchy. Exhibit A, B and C:

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I also think that Cube's ability to work with just about anyone or beat without it sounding forced or out of place should be looked at. Nas had a very laid back flow for the most part, which really limited itself to working with certain elements I think. Sorry if this sounds weird, so hopefully someone understands and can explain it better. :p
 
Fuck, that is a hard one. I love both guys - They'd both be in my top 10.

You've got the hard hitting delivery of Ice Cube or the perfect flow of Nas.

I'm going to pick Nas. I like songs with good beats and Nas has used some of the best ones ever. Song's like Thief's Theme & Hip Hop is Dead. The main thing that gives him the win IMO is his collaboration with Damien Marley. It shows me that musically, he is the better rapper.
 
Ice Cube without a doubt. Nas is one of the best lyricists in the game and still holding it down to this day but often I find myself confused by him spitting a bunch of incomprehensible, metaphorical non-sense. Ice Cube's style is a lot simpler and doesn't need a refreshed brain to understand what he's talking about and he also has a great discography with only one or two duds whereas Nas dropped the super weak Nastradamus and I wasn't feeling Street's Disciple or the Marley album either. Cube was only slipping on the two War & Peace albums.

Besides, I'm a much bigger gangsta rap fan than New York "lyrical rap", so there you got it. Not to mention, N.W.A is my favorite group ever right below Geto Boys and tied with Public Enemy & Beastie Boys.

Answer: ICE CUBE!
 
But I think more importantly, Cube's music has more universal appeal because he was very blunt in is flow and a lot of songs people remember of Cube were catchy. Exhibit A, B and C:

Nas has just as much universal appeal if not more then Ice Cube does. Cube has put out 9 solo albums with 4 going platinum, 1 double platinum, 2 gold, and 2 with no certification. Nas has also put out 9 with 5 going platinum, 2 double platinum, and 2 gold. When it comes to singles Nas has also had some great universal successes with songs like Street Dreams, I Can, and One Mic.

I also think that Cube's ability to work with just about anyone or beat without it sounding forced or out of place should be looked at. Nas had a very laid back flow for the most part, which really limited itself to working with certain elements I think. Sorry if this sounds weird, so hopefully someone understands and can explain it better.

Nas has plenty of different styles he can adapt and I'd say he is more versatile then Cube. Nas has worked with the likes of Lauryn Hill, Diddy, Will.I.Am, Q Tip, DMX, Busta Rhymes, etc... He has worked with a huge variety of different people and styles.
 
Nas has just as much universal appeal if not more then Ice Cube does. Cube has put out 9 solo albums with 4 going platinum, 1 double platinum, 2 gold, and 2 with no certification. Nas has also put out 9 with 5 going platinum, 2 double platinum, and 2 gold. When it comes to singles Nas has also had some great universal successes with songs like Street Dreams, I Can, and One Mic.

Ice Cube has also had singles success with songs like "It Was a Good Day", "Check Yo Self", "Bop Gun (One Nation)", "Pushin' Weight" and "You Can Do It". Their commercial success has been pretty much equal and Nas has probably been more successful since he's gone out of his way to desperately get some sales by hopping on trends. (1999)

Nas has plenty of different styles he can adapt and I'd say he is more versatile then Cube. Nas has worked with the likes of Lauryn Hill, Diddy, Will.I.Am, Q Tip, DMX, Busta Rhymes, etc... He has worked with a huge variety of different people and styles.

Cube has done everything save for the bad which is selling out. He has made club songs ("You Can Do It"), gangsta raps (his N.W.A days and most of his solo), political songs (his first three albums) and chill out songs ("You Know How We Do It"). Ice Cube is pretty versatile and he has worked with most of west coast and plenty of southern rappers as well as east coast rappers like Nas himself, Chuck D, EPMD, Big Daddy Kane, Diddy, DMX, KRS-One and Run DMC.
 
Ice Cube has also had singles success with songs like "It Was a Good Day", "Check Yo Self", "Bop Gun (One Nation)", "Pushin' Weight" and "You Can Do It".

I never said Ice Cube didn't have great success. I was just showing that Nas had just as much if not more success and on top of the that he is the better rhymer, so outside of personal preference there is nothing Cube has on him.

Their commercial success has been pretty much equal and Nas has probably been more successful since he's gone out of his way to desperately get some sales by hopping on trends. (1999)

This is one of the biggest misconceptions about Nas. He makes a couple mainstream type songs and all of the sudden he is a sell out? That's complete bullshit. He didn't need to "hop on trends" to get sales. Illmatic went platinum and It Was Written and I Am both went 2x platinum. Nastradamus wasn't the greatest album and went a little away from his style but outside of that ONE album he has been tremendous. Like you said, Ice Cube has slipped up on an album or two as well.



Cube has done everything save for the bad which is selling out. He has made club songs ("You Can Do It"), gangsta raps (his N.W.A days and most of his solo), political songs (his first three albums) and chill out songs ("You Know How We Do It"). Ice Cube is pretty versatile and he has worked with most of west coast and plenty of southern rappers as well as east coast rappers like Nas himself, Chuck D, EPMD, Big Daddy Kane, Diddy, DMX, KRS-One and Run DMC.

Once again, I never said that Cube wasn't versatile, just that I believe Nas is the slightly more versatile rapper. I think Ice Cube is easily one of the top rappers of all time, Nas just happens to be better.
 
I never said Ice Cube didn't have great success. I was just showing that Nas had just as much if not more success and on top of the that he is the better rhymer, so outside of personal preference there is nothing Cube has on him.

True on the first part, but it depends on what you mean with 'better rhymer'. If you talk about technical rapping which includes multis and all of that, then no doubt but I think Cube is the better rapper. Better voice, mic presence, more energy and more topically diverse.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions about Nas. He makes a couple mainstream type songs and all of the sudden he is a sell out? That's complete bullshit. He didn't need to "hop on trends" to get sales. Illmatic went platinum and It Was Written and I Am both went 2x platinum. Nastradamus wasn't the greatest album and went a little away from his style but outside of that ONE album he has been tremendous. Like you said, Ice Cube has slipped up on an album or two as well.

Not exactly that way. Illmatic did go platinum, but after how long? That's right, 7 years! It took two years to just go gold. So the truth is, it was a flop upon it's release and the label felt that he needed to hop on trends. It Was Written jumped on the mafioso bandwagon and succeeded, whereas I Am... and Nastradamus hopped on the jiggy, ice age bandwagon and while they were commercial success, they were both thrashed critically (the latter at least). That's when Nas started to bounce back at the turn of the century.

Once again, I never said that Cube wasn't versatile, just that I believe Nas is the slightly more versatile rapper. I think Ice Cube is easily one of the top rappers of all time, Nas just happens to be better.

Well, I was just making sure that the points made are equal for both. I believe both are top 10 with Cube being in the top 5.
 
True on the first part, but it depends on what you mean with 'better rhymer'. If you talk about technical rapping which includes multis and all of that, then no doubt but I think Cube is the better rapper. Better voice, mic presence, more energy and more topically diverse.

I don't see Cube with the advantage in voice, mic presence, or energy. And as far as topically diverse there is literally nothing Nas hasn't rapped about. I guess all of that is just personal preference though.

Not exactly that way. Illmatic did go platinum, but after how long? That's right, 7 years! It took two years to just go gold. So the truth is, it was a flop upon it's release and the label felt that he needed to hop on trends. It Was Written jumped on the mafioso bandwagon and succeeded, whereas I Am... and Nastradamus hopped on the jiggy, ice age bandwagon and while they were commercial success, they were both thrashed critically (the latter at least). That's when Nas started to bounce back at the turn of the century.

It took Illmatic a while to get platinum but I actually find it more impressive that he was able to sell that many copies of an album over that long of a time period. It was Written and I Am may have been a slightly different style but outside of maybe a song or two it wasn't following any trends whatsoever and they were both hugely successful albums. As far as reviews go, Nastradamus was the only album that ever really got a negative review and that was because it was the second album he had released that year. It was originally just supposed to be a collection of songs that weren't used on I Am but were already finished. At the last second Nas decided to record a whole new album and he had a very short time do it so he could meet the albums deadline. Obviously not his best work but there was definitely a reason for that.
 
It has to be Nas here. As great as Cube is not many people can compare to Nas. His smooth flow and deep lyrics are truly a thing of beauty for any hip hop fan. He has made three of the greatest albums ever and is still banging them out.
 
Ty is going to be gone this week so he asked me to take over for the week. Looking back at last weeks battle it looks like Nas got the better of Ice Cube so I am declaring Nas the winner of battle number two.

Now onto this week. Being a Midwest guy I was originally going to go with an all Midwest battle but after putting together a few potential match ups I realized that the masses on the forum may not know enough about some of the artists I was putting in there to make it a fair battle. With that said I still wanted to go away from the East and West coasts which is what the first two battles focused on so I decided to go to the Dirty South. This weeks battle is:

TI
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VS.

Ludacris
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These are two of the ATL's most popular rappers and both can spit with the best of them. They've also both had great success throughout their careers. TI is the deeper rapper of the two and his lyrics seem to flow better together. Luda is what I like to call a punch line rapper and I'm not sure there's anyone who does that style better.

I'm a huge fan of both rappers and have enjoyed a lot of their stuff throughout their careers. Both have seen their overall quality go down a little bit with the release of their last albums but they are still two of the best in the game today. For me, with how equal they are in ability it comes down to who I have enjoyed more overall throughout their careers and that is Ludacris. So who ya got?
 
T.I, Ludacris is a bubble gum rapper and rarely has deep songs. T.I you can at least say has some fair share of deep songs, such as his underground work and really has brought some Gangsta rap from the South.
 
T.I, Ludacris is a bubble gum rapper and rarely has deep songs. T.I you can at least say has some fair share of deep songs, such as his underground work and really has brought some Gangsta rap from the South.

Ludacris is far from a bubble gum rapper. He may make a lot of chart successful songs but the majority of those, especially his older ones, are tremendous. Get Back, What's Your Fantasy, Number One Spot, etc.. Those are all great songs. He also does have some deep songs. Listen to "I do it for Hip Hop" and "Grew Up a Screw Up." Don't forget his other classics like Get Back, Move Bitch, Bluberry Yum Yum, Luda is one of the more talented artists out there but people still make the misconception that he's a "bubblegum rapper."
 
Ludacris is far from a bubble gum rapper. He may make a lot of chart successful songs but the majority of those, especially his older ones, are tremendous. Get Back, What's Your Fantasy, Number One Spot, etc.. Those are all great songs. He also does have some deep songs. Listen to "I do it for Hip Hop" and "Grew Up a Screw Up." Don't forget his other classics like Get Back, Move Bitch, Bluberry Yum Yum, Luda is one of the more talented artists out there but people still make the misconception that he's a "bubblegum rapper."

Well he seems to be more featured in bubblegum rapper songs but I'm still going with T.I for maybe deeper songs, better lyrics, more charisma, and surpassing Ludacris as a more marketable star.
 
I got Ludacris in this one, I've always thought T.I sucked, especially when he started making those unbearably cheesy songs people say are "deep".

Luda isn't much better these days but his first 2 albums were incredible, I still bump Word of Mouf quite a bit, and Phat Rabbit is still one of the sexiest/dopest rap songs of all time.
 
T.I, Ludacris is a bubble gum rapper and rarely has deep songs. T.I you can at least say has some fair share of deep songs, such as his underground work and really has brought some Gangsta rap from the South.

T.I.'s brand of "gangsta rap from the south" is no better than the garbage that gets called gangsta rap nowadays. You want some REAL, PURE, hardcore gangsta rap (from the south), give UGK (in 90s specially), Scarface, Geto Boys (the inventors) and the rest of Rap-A-Lot a chance. Now THAT'S what I call "gangsta rap".

On topic of the Ludacris vs T.I. battle. I don't think there's any comparisons to be made. Ludacris can be a hell of a lyricist at the top of his game and he can also make some substantial songs too. T.I. never ever convinces me to listen to him in the long run cause his voice is annoying and he's one dimensional with hardly anything that makes me wanna believe his never ending boasts. His recent work might be more diverse, but it's all rushed and boring. And if talking non-stop about your "dead homies" and the mistake you made is what is considered "deep", then the meaning of deep has lost it since a while back. Once is okay, but constantly recycling the same topic that's about as deep as you can get with "deep" is not the way to go. Ice Cube made "Dead Homiez" and never recycled this topic again. My answer is obviously Ludacris.


PS: A good comparison that needs to be made is Scarface vs 2Pac. The former was the biggest influence on the latter and the latter was an inspiration on the former's latter day career. Now that's something!
 
T.I.'s brand of "gangsta rap from the south" is no better than the garbage that gets called gangsta rap nowadays. You want some REAL, PURE, hardcore gangsta rap (from the south), give UGK (in 90s specially), Scarface, Geto Boys (the inventors) and the rest of Rap-A-Lot a chance. Now THAT'S what I call "gangsta rap".

Scarface vs Bun B was one of the battles I was considering doing but for some reason many people don't know enough about Scarface and how great he really is so I went with the other battle.

His recent work might be more diverse, but it's all rushed and boring. And if talking non-stop about your "dead homies" and the mistake you made is what is considered "deep", then the meaning of deep has lost it since a while back. Once is okay, but constantly recycling the same topic that's about as deep as you can get with "deep" is not the way to go. Ice Cube made "Dead Homiez" and never recycled this topic again. My answer is obviously Ludacris.

I agree on TI recycling the topic. When "No Matter What" came out I loved the song and thought it was some deep material but since then he's made about 2-3 more songs just like it and it gets old.
 

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