TNA Castmembers

[Schizophrenic]

The CC is not concerned with your opinions. We love this wrestling company and are very concerned that the TNA we watched grow up in front of us is being taken apart because a celebrity decided that it was 'his company' and everything has to change. As I told a friend at the taping last night, it's like watching your child get raped and murdered in front of you with all of the rapist's friends and supporters cheering him on. What do you expect us to do? Be happy that the rape and murder will get good press and high ratings? Start cheering for it because it's good for business? Fuck that.

First off you must still be a teenager to give yourselves a name and to have "Crew" in it just is laughable.

Secondly dont EVER EVER EVER use the word rape lightly. By putting it in this context you are and I have a serious issue with that. My sister who is the only member of my family I can tolerate was raped and has never been able to completley overcome the situation.so dont you ever use that workd lightly again you sick fucking son of a bitch. How dare you compare wrestling to rape. What the fuck is wrong with you? Your oppinions now have no fucking merit EVER by showing just how childish you are by using something as serious as a sick vile act to put over your point of what someone is doing to a company that is make-believe.

Now Hogan comes in and tells me that that brand of wrestling is broken and TNA needs to focus on personalities and soap-opera drama in order to appeal to a more mainstream audience. This may actually be "successful" in that ratings may increase, at least initially. That WWE approach is what most fans of this generation grew up on, and many will now gravitate towards Hogan's new TNA because it's more like what they know.

The you cleary were not listening to Hogan or watching the program at home. By having Hulk come out and say that AJ and Kurt are the best wrestles and that they just raised the bar clearly shows that they are going to be focusing on wrestling just as much if not more than the stories. Hell if had bothered to watcha replay of Genesis you would have heard Taz and Tenay say at the begining "We are proud to be the wrestling company."

Do you listen to yourself or is it all clicks and buzzes in your head? And since you can't be bothered (or dont have the mental capacity) to goback and read the posts before yours I stated fact when I said this...

And Im sick of this Sports Entertianment vs Wrestling crap. Pro Wrestling is and always will be Sports Entertainment. It's not really a sport since it's pre-determined but the guys are athletes and it's entertainment. Some companies (TNA & ROH) are better at promoting their in ring product as opposed to WWE which promotes their stories more prominently

So once again get over this whole Bullshit Sports Entertainment vs Pro Wrestling and enjoy the fucking show as a fan and not a spoiled punk who thre a fit when Daniels lost to Morely....thats right I saw you act like a 2 year old who didnt get a toy.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I respect your opinions and what you have done for the company as an avid fan in general, but dude... you have to accept the change if you truly want TNA to become something more than it could be. Can you imagine all of your hard work by telling everyone about how great TNA is with all these major changes? Look, some of the things they have done in the past may not have been the best ideas, like bringing in Bubba to replace JB, but they have the right idea.

In order for TNA to survive, they need to not stay where they are at the moment and they need to move forward. Without any of the acquistions, they could have done it but I believe there wasn't anyone with the brain or drawing power to get them there. Another reason was the ring being six sides accompanied by the style of wrestling, majority of audience's demand not favouring aforementioned wrestling style and the production as a whole. When I first watched TNA on the screen, it looked very similar to the one MTV was showing and I didn't give a rats arse about it. I had to give it multiple chances and force-feeding myself to actually like the product, despite being someone like you who wants to diverge away from the WWE.

These changes are a good thing because they can settle the problem they have with the mass audience as well as keeping the enter company in tact for the TNA Loyalists. Apart from the live crowd, which I believe you were in, that was easily on of the best PPV's I have ever seen. Why? Because of the changes made to the six-sided ring, because of the changes made the style of wrestling. They have transformed themselves to become something like WWE so they can be taken serious and compete on the exact same playing field as WWE. What's the difference? The wrestlers that TNA own right now are some of the best on the planet and quite easily can better the WWE workers. So, why not make them wrestle like the WWE has their guys do to one-up them? It makes perfect sense because not only do you get to see the line between the faces and the heels, along with them working their stuff in the face/heel wrestling style, but you also get to see some of the best wrestling from the same guys.

Have a look at the Invasion vs. SuperMorgan match. The Brits had the psychology of being heels more down-pact than usual and wrestled as if they were proper heels. Hernandez and Morgan got the crowd seriously behind them, wrestling as faces with face moves. I'm not saying they weren't doing this before, they just seemed to have expanded upon it and developed it even further. Professional wrestling isn't about the wrestling... that's called amateur wrestling. There needs to be a story being told both in and out of the ring... TNA making these changes are steps closer to getting there and it is not just pure matches with shit loads of promo's anymore to further feuds. Now we get to see longer length matches with less promo's, a more stable viewing for the average fan.


I wouldn't be worried about TNA if I were you, this is your chance to embrace the company's direction and convert higher numbers to watch the programming than before. Because of this change, I am now preferencing TNA over the WWE. Sure, I'll watch both companies, but I am now putting my faith as a wrestling fan into my new favourite company TNA because of the change. And so should you.

 

[Nichotine]

The CC is not concerned with your opinions. We love this wrestling company and are very concerned that the TNA we watched grow up in front of us is being taken apart because a celebrity decided that it was 'his company' and everything has to change.

That celebrity changed wrestling twice. He's been through wrestling at its best and worst and has far more experience to draw from than Dixie Carter and Vince Russo combined. His only detriment has been going into business for himself, and Hogan isn't in the shape to make himself World Champion.

As I told a friend at the taping last night, it's like watching your child get raped and murdered in front of you with all of the rapist's friends and supporters cheering him on. What do you expect us to do? Be happy that the rape and murder will get good press and high ratings? Start cheering for it because it's good for business? Fuck that.

This is not a good analogy. It would be more fair to say that this is like the Burger King stopped serving the Whopper. What do you do about it? Try what else is on the menu or find a new restaurant. You don't go into the restaurant and chant "DIS-APP-OINT-MENT" at the cashier. And really TNA today isn't far removed from TNA of last month, it's been TWO WEEKS. You're not even trying to give it a chance!

I fell in love with TNA because it truly was an alternative to the WWE product, with real athletes performing a style that emphasized and celebrated the art of professional wrestling. I, like many here, had grown tired with Vince's programming after watching it gradually become less and less about the in-ring product and more and more about promoting 'personalities'. I'm not a fan of wrestlers because of their name or image; I'm a fan of performers who, get this, are TALENTED wrestlers. That's why I became such a TNA fan- their performers were allowed to show the world what they really do best, and I still believe that many of America's most talented wrestlers work in TNA.

Angle/AJ went almost a half hour on free TV. TNA has the best women's division in mainstream wrestling history, X-Division matches that are nothing like anything in WWE. There is no one like AJ Styles or Christopher Daniels main eventing pay per views in WWE. TNA was different in more ways than a six sided ring. You're talking about how different TNA is now compared to a month ago yet provide zero examples as to why. What has Hulk changed? Hulk's not the first person to bring in over the hill performers, and you have to admit the nWo is at least more relevant than Jim Neidhart and Tatanka.

But is that really a success? Is that "taking TNA to a new level", or is it "killing TNA and replacing it with WWE/WCW 2.0"? I'm afraid that it's the latter, and I am not happy about it one bit.

Elaborate! Why are you saying this? What evidence shows you we're dealing with WWE 2.0?

So what are my options? I could roll over, and smile for the camera and mindlessly put over whatever they give me in the name of appealing to a more mainstream audience. That's certainly what the Hogan regime would like me to do, and apparently a lot of you here agree. Or, I could choose to let management know that I am not pleased about the direction the organization is going and try to steer them back to what made TNA great in the first place.

ROH is a great wresting organization at an independent level that has exactly what you seem to be looking for, and all their shows are streamed on youtube. Perhaps give them a try?

There was never any indication that TNA was created to settle for being just independent. Why do you think they started via PPV? Why do you think they moved up to FSN? Why do you think they went to Spike? When is it a good business practice to rest on your laurels? Even ECW fought to be the number one wrestling company. What you're asking for is simply selfish and unreasonable. It's not just your wrestling company, we're fans too and you're currently the most frustrating part of me doing my part and trying to support TNA.

I'm not saying you're wrong for voicing your opinion. You're free to like and dislike anything that you please. But I'm not convinced that your intentions are 100% pure, I'm not convinced you truly love TNA as much as I believe you love being on TV and getting your funny chants heard. You keep talking about how the TNA environment is so drastically different than it was two weeks ago but say nothing of substance to back it up.

 

[psykohurricane]

Here's a link to the youtube video of DP Steve Small lecturing us before the 1/18 iMPACT! taping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAIe58DveY

After watching this video, i kinda found it funny that TNA has to resort to having the production give a speech to the fan before the taping of the show. Sure i get what he was saying but before Hogan came him, they never would have even thought of about it and i heard a lot worst for the TNA crowd that i heard at Genesis. This is Hogan and Bischoff not knowing what their audience wants and instead of trying to understand the audience they try to silence them and make them conform.

Personally, i never went to the Impact zone and right now i don'T want to if that mean i don'T have the right to do what i want anymore. It use to look like so much fun going there but now with all the new rules it just look lame. I just want to say to all the TNA Loyalist, good luck getting throught the next set of tapings if you don'T conform to the new TNA rules because TNA isn't a wrestling company anymore, it's become just a regular tv show.

 

[GimmickInfringed]

After watching this video, i kinda found it funny that TNA has to resort to having the production give a speech to the fan before the taping of the show. Sure i get what he was saying but before Hogan came him, they never would have even thought of about it and i heard a lot worst for the TNA crowd that i heard at Genesis. This is Hogan and Bischoff not knowing what their audience wants and instead of trying to understand the audience they try to silence them and make them conform.

Personally, i never went to the Impact zone and right now i don'T want to if that mean i don'T have the right to do what i want anymore. It use to look like so much fun going there but now with all the new rules it just look lame. I just want to say to all the TNA Loyalist, good luck getting throught the next set of tapings if you don'T conform to the new TNA rules because TNA isn't a wrestling company anymore, it's become just a regular tv show.

What made you think you had the right to do whatever you wanted to begin with from the get go. I love the fact that you and this "Crucible Crew" and please zero, stop referring to your little wanna be gang bang-esque click by 3rd person name.

Whether you think you had a right to do whatever you want from the get go and whether you got away with it or will continue to get away with it is irrelevant at this point in time. The bottom line is that TNA is under heavy scrutiny at the moment, with trying to secure a prime time slot on Monday Nights...and yes it is a goal of Bischoff-Hervery Entertainment partnering with Panda Energy as one of their goals. I can tell you off the top of my head that I know there is three specific goals Bischoff and Hogan are looking at in 2010:

1. Removing TNA from the WCW like stage in Orlando to get away from that regional/indy promotion feel.

2. Boost Television Ratings.

3. Expand ticket sales and overall product revenue generation and to secure a TV deal to exclusively give competition to WWE on Monday Nights.

How does TNA accomplish by sticking to the same old product and by allowing the redneck style behavior you fans have exhibited at live/tv events.

They don't is the answer. Do you think they aren't trying to secure corporate sponsors, having Spike executives watch their product, and having product analyst review their material....yes they are.

I believe that this is the make it or break it year for TNA. If they don't breakout of the regional "southern" wrasslin promotion feel that they have had for years now, I don't see TNA in operation in the next 2-3 years and I see another Vince McMahon buyout coming.

No I don't support that and no I don't want that. I am NOT a TNA Basher, WWE's current product sucks and some of TNA's product sucks. WWE needs competition in order to continue to have success. TNA I believe can and needs to be that competition. WWE has been too lazy for too long.

But in order for Zero to say they want to support the TNA product they grew to love and respect, they have to understand that product has to grow and evolve in order for it to succeed, not stay the same. And you should support that change, but rather you wanna throw a bitch fit and argue like you have some standing because ur a senior member fanbase in the crowd.

Bischoff and Hogan could honestly give two shits less if you come to the show or not and again...you have no premise for your arguments. Until you start paying for tickets for the shows in Orlando, and I don't care if you pay for park admission or parking, thats a side fact from paying for an actual ticket, you are NOT contributing to the financial aspect of the product.

While you may support in other areas such as merchandise and arena vendor sales...ticket revenue has always been and will always be the heart of a sporting event.

You get in for free, so you have no argument you have no premise. Your thoughts are irrational and unjustified of that of a pissed off person cause you got put in your place cause the show is changing and your behavior is making the product look like a sideshow.

You are not in a GANG so quit throwing up a C sign....in real life that means Crypts you ******. It is an ACTUAL gang symbol and i've seen you ******s throw it up on TV.

The bottom line is the management of the building and the TNA personnel have the right to tell you what you can't or can do at their events and they have a right to remove you cause its called interrupting the peaceful enjoyment of others to view and enjoy the show without your disruptions. You can chant, cheer, boo, but you can do it in a manner thats pleasing to all and not just whatever the fuck you feel like doing.

If you bought an ACTUAL ticket to the show, then you might have more of a complaint...but you can't complain for what you get to see for FREE. And if you had bought a ticket, every concert, sporting event, any type of event at any concert hall, ball park, arena, the building and the ticket have disclaimers that lude, profane, obscene, behavior/language or anything that management/security deems inappropriate...they have the right to refuse your admission, escort you out of the event and property, and not refund your money.

Its the price you pay for choosing to act the way you do and say the things you do.....the liability you assume going to the show is that its a privelege for you to be there, NOT a right...you have no rights.....its a private event on private property and they have a right to set the standards.

Picture it this way...if it wasn't something you would say to your mom or do in front of your mom....does it make it right for you to do it in front of others which you may offend....the answer in any language is no.

You and your clique have no point...you were wrong and your deserved to be scolded about it....if it was my event i would have had you removed...now stop whining and either support the product or boycott it...that's the ONLY choice you have!!

 

[Jack Bauer]

underworlderZer0 - If you were a real fan of TNA, and a "loyalist" you dont go to a PPV with that shirt and a tie on, you could maybe..ummm wear a TNA shirt? Bring a sign? Just admit it, you wanna get yourself and your buddys over. You wanna be seen.

Please respond to that. Im not calling you names but Im calling you out on this.

I'll say this. Its good that you went up to the bleachers for the taping. One thing you gotta understand is how does it come of on TV if the same fans are in the same spots every week. Do you watch Impact on TV?

Man, maybe you just need to take a break from going to the Impact zone. Maybe after a while you will learn to appreciate it again. You know its kind of a privilege, getting into a wrestling show every week for free that stars Hogan, Sting, Foley, Angle, AJ, Joe and the list goes on. Frontrow...

And the people at home who dont have that privilege but watch via Impact and PPV-you know paying to watch the PPV-. For those people you ruin it with your stupid chants and acting like assholes. Turning your back and doing your hand signs. To me it was distracting and annoying. But you dont care about me do you, you only care about yourself.

 

[GimmickInfringed]

I personally hope TNA bans you and your clique from the events and that even if you bought a ticket to a paid event, they would deny your admissions...would make the product for that at home audience five times better.

 

[Blade]

So for anyone who read the Impact spoilers, you'll know about the Director or Production came out to adress the fans before Impact. He asked them to tone down their chants and such. Basically, act like WWE fans.

[youtube]9jAIe58DveY[/youtube]

He called them "Castmembers". Castmembers. I mean, come on.

TNA are now starting to become a WWE clone. They're trying to make a WWE Universe, but more intimate. They're trying to have a PG audience, one that'll stop them from making their chants too offensive. "Beyond what a child should hear", is what the Director said. No swearing, middle fingers or gang signs.

This is just mind blowingly scary. The thing that made ECW stand out, the thing that made WWF stand out against WCW was the crowd. Those crowds were allowed chant whatever they wanteda nd bring whatever signs they wanted. That's what TNA should be doing, that gets the crowd into it. But TNA are saying that the crowd should basically be a PG crowd, a WWE crowd. This could be TNA shooting themselves in the foot. It seems TNA are really trying to be WWE right now and that's not something they should be looking for.

What do you guys think?

 

[D-Man]

Hey guys. I'm one of the hardcore TNA fans who you see regularly on iMPACT! and TNA PPV. You probably recognize me as the guy who wears a shirt and tie to the shows.

I've seen a lot of posts claiming that the biggest thing wrong with TNA right now is us, the loyal fans in the iMPACT! Zone.

I'd like to give you a little perspective on things. There is a group of about 12-20 of us who are at every show we can attend (Collectively known as the "Crucial Crew", which is why you see us throw up the 'c' hand signal). And we DO NOT like the direction this company is going. Therefore, we express our displeasure in hopes that management will listen. Why? Because we LOVE TNA, and will not stand idly by while it gets raped by Hogan and his boys. If we were season ticket holders for a sports team, this would be expected, would it not?

Last night at Genesis was a major event in the growing war between the TNA loyalists and the Hoganites. I can tell you that very real battle lines are being drawn within the organization, and the conflict will get a lot worse.

Again, we LOVE TNA. So when a man who built his career and reputation on WWF Sports Entertainment comes in, changes the things that make TNA unique and basically tells us that the TNA model is broken and that "the smart marks in the front" (read Hogan's IGN interview) don't matter, aren't representative of mainstream America and so should be ignored- Yeah, we're gonna be pissed.

Last night was remarkable in that for the first time ever a TNA producer came down into the pit where we stand, grabbed my friend by the shirt and actually threatened to ban us from the building if we didn't stop with the "vulgarity and the negativity". From reports, this heat came directly from "Dixie and Terry who were pissed that we didn't put Morely over during his match with Daniels. Are you kidding? This happened during the Pope v Wolfe match, and totally killed the crowd. If you were wondering why the crowd was so dead during what was a great wrestling match, that's why.

Here's the thing though... We've become friends with a lot of the wrestlers, and they all love our energy, enthusiasm and passion, and have and continue to support us. The production crew, who takes heat directly from the top, HATE us, most likely because they are all afraid for their jobs.

Also, all of the Bubba Army idiots and other Hogan marks are now in the iMPACT! Zone and act like the complete tools they are. Oh, but THEY don't get scolded like 5-year olds, even though they are the most offensive people there.

I saw hundreds of people walk out on the show last night, something i've NEVER seen at a PPV. Things are getting weird. Hopefully, Bischoff and Russo are smart enough to use this tension to create compelling TV, but from my perspective, it seems like TNA is dying right before my eyes.

Rest assured, the Crucial Crew will fight to the end for the TNA we know and love!

"Crucial Crew"??? You guys actually named yourselves? Please excuse me while I vomit on myself...

This thread reminds me of an old group of friends that I had when I was in my early 20's. Since we were regular patrons of a local bar that we used to attend, we formed a group of people and we walked around like we owned the place. We thought we could do whatever we wanted, frowned upon others if they didn't act up to our standards, and basically sat back as our egos grew. And we actually thought that management gave two shits about our opinions and ideas for the bar when we spoke up about them... that is, until they kicked most of us out for being complete and utter annoyances. The moral of the story and the main problem with all of this was one thing... WE WERE NOBODIES WHO THOUGHT WE WERE SOMEBODIES.

Sound familiar??

This is why the crowd at the Impact Zone sucks my balls. You're nothing but a group of smarky children that think you make a difference. All you're doing is pulling back the proverbial curtain and ruining the shows for everyone watching. All of the bullshit chants you guys kept doing during Genesis ruined the show for me. And since you're all regulars at the Impact tapings, you actually think your chants and opinions are of any kind of substance?? If you love TNA so much, let their management do their jobs since they urinate on your smarky knowledge of the sport.

The more you morons chant, complain, dress up, and act like you're part of the show, the more new audience members are going to tune in, look at you, and say to themselves, "This is dogshit. I'm changing the channel." I was extremely close to doing that on Sunday night when I saw a group of you wrestling with each other in the front row of the audience (camera-side). At the end of the X-Division title match, Amazing Red gave Kendrick that amazing finisher. Now instead of cheering like normal people, one of you ass holes bent backwards over the railing while another dipshit hand-simulated using a defibrillator on them. I mean, are you serious?? I'm still rolling my eyes at this.

Face it, you and your buddies don't know jack shit. You're all ruining the product. Take off your suit and tie, wear normal clothes, spare us all, and act like a FAN... not a smarky know-it-all.

Be sure to pass this message to the rest of the... ahem... "Crucial Crew."

 

[Norwegian Black Metal]

Fans as Castmembers?

I find this weird especially since TNA advertises itself as crossing the line. It also is on SPIKE TV which also seems to go for the young adult male demographic and not small children, who they are now trying to "protect".

 

[deathdrop81]

Cast members? Seriously?
I read about this last night and my mind was blown. As much heat as the fans in the Impact Zone get, at least they're outspoken and passionate about the product. You do not impose crowd control. Plus, how does TNA's fans differ from WWE's in terms of appropriateness? You're going to get 'Holy S**t' 'A**hole' and 'Bulls**t' chants every once in a while, regardless of the organization. It still happens in WWE from time to time. And it happens at football and basketball games.
In some twisted way, I think this was done in part because Hogan and Bishoff aren't getting the reactions they're wanting for themselves and certain angles under this new regime.

 

[D-Man]

So for anyone who read the Impact spoilers, you'll know about the Director or Production came out to adress the fans before Impact. He asked them to tone down their chants and such. Basically, act like WWE fans.

[youtube]9jAIe58DveY[/youtube]

He called them "Castmembers". Castmembers. I mean, come on.

TNA are now starting to become a WWE clone. They're trying to make a WWE Universe, but more intimate. They're trying to have a PG audience, one that'll stop them from making their chants too offensive. "Beyond what a child should hear", is what the Director said. No swearing, middle fingers or gang signs.

This is just mind blowingly scary. The thing that made ECW stand out, the thing that made WWF stand out against WCW was the crowd. Those crowds were allowed chant whatever they wanteda nd bring whatever signs they wanted. That's what TNA should be doing, that gets the crowd into it. But TNA are saying that the crowd should basically be a PG crowd, a WWE crowd. This could be TNA shooting themselves in the foot. It seems TNA are really trying to be WWE right now and that's not something they should be looking for.

What do you guys think?

I don't think your radar is on with this post, Blade.

The way I see it, TNA is trying to stop fans from making the live shows look like total bullshit. They're trying to stop the SMARK chants... not the 'offensive' ones.

The TNA crowd mainly consists of smarky fans who are constantly trying to make themselves the focal point of the show. They know they're in a small arena that you could hear a mouse fart in, so they make their voices heard by beginning chants that pulls the proverbial curtain back to expose the business. Why do they do this? To look cool and get noticed.

They're all ass holes.

It's not about turning the crowds into a PG audience. It's not about molding them to the clay model of the WWE. It's not about following Vince's age-old standards. It's about making the program an enjoyable, disbelief-suspending, entertaining program. The more these ass holes in the audience try to make themselves feel cool by giving away backstage news and internet rumors, the more they're killing the product for everyone else watching.

TNA calls the audience "Cast Members" in order to encourage them and give them what they want... to be a part of the show. But the audience is too ignorant to realize that the things TNA are telling them to do are beneficial towards the show, unlike the stupid chants they've been doing in the past. If they want to help TNA, the promotion that they (supposedly) love so much, they need to grab a glass of 'shut the fuck up' and do what they're being told.

TNA just started gaining REAL momentum... they want to keep it going.

 

[psykohurricane]

What made you think you had the right to do whatever you wanted to begin with from the get go. I love the fact that you and this "Crucible Crew" and please zero, stop referring to your little wanna be gang bang-esque click by 3rd person name.

Whether you think you had a right to do whatever you want from the get go and whether you got away with it or will continue to get away with it is irrelevant at this point in time. The bottom line is that TNA is under heavy scrutiny at the moment, with trying to secure a prime time slot on Monday Nights...and yes it is a goal of Bischoff-Hervery Entertainment partnering with Panda Energy as one of their goals. I can tell you off the top of my head that I know there is three specific goals Bischoff and Hogan are looking at in 2010:

1. Removing TNA from the WCW like stage in Orlando to get away from that regional/indy promotion feel.

2. Boost Television Ratings.

3. Expand ticket sales and overall product revenue generation and to secure a TV deal to exclusively give competition to WWE on Monday Nights.

How does TNA accomplish by sticking to the same old product and by allowing the redneck style behavior you fans have exhibited at live/tv events.

They don't is the answer. Do you think they aren't trying to secure corporate sponsors, having Spike executives watch their product, and having product analyst review their material....yes they are.

I believe that this is the make it or break it year for TNA. If they don't breakout of the regional "southern" wrasslin promotion feel that they have had for years now, I don't see TNA in operation in the next 2-3 years and I see another Vince McMahon buyout coming.

No I don't support that and no I don't want that. I am NOT a TNA Basher, WWE's current product sucks and some of TNA's product sucks. WWE needs competition in order to continue to have success. TNA I believe can and needs to be that competition. WWE has been too lazy for too long.

But in order for Zero to say they want to support the TNA product they grew to love and respect, they have to understand that product has to grow and evolve in order for it to succeed, not stay the same. And you should support that change, but rather you wanna throw a bitch fit and argue like you have some standing because ur a senior member fanbase in the crowd.

Bischoff and Hogan could honestly give two shits less if you come to the show or not and again...you have no premise for your arguments. Until you start paying for tickets for the shows in Orlando, and I don't care if you pay for park admission or parking, thats a side fact from paying for an actual ticket, you are NOT contributing to the financial aspect of the product.

While you may support in other areas such as merchandise and arena vendor sales...ticket revenue has always been and will always be the heart of a sporting event.

You get in for free, so you have no argument you have no premise. Your thoughts are irrational and unjustified of that of a pissed off person cause you got put in your place cause the show is changing and your behavior is making the product look like a sideshow.

You are not in a GANG so quit throwing up a C sign....in real life that means Crypts you ******. It is an ACTUAL gang symbol and i've seen you ******s throw it up on TV.

The bottom line is the management of the building and the TNA personnel have the right to tell you what you can't or can do at their events and they have a right to remove you cause its called interrupting the peaceful enjoyment of others to view and enjoy the show without your disruptions. You can chant, cheer, boo, but you can do it in a manner thats pleasing to all and not just whatever the fuck you feel like doing.

If you bought an ACTUAL ticket to the show, then you might have more of a complaint...but you can't complain for what you get to see for FREE. And if you had bought a ticket, every concert, sporting event, any type of event at any concert hall, ball park, arena, the building and the ticket have disclaimers that lude, profane, obscene, behavior/language or anything that management/security deems inappropriate...they have the right to refuse your admission, escort you out of the event and property, and not refund your money.

Its the price you pay for choosing to act the way you do and say the things you do.....the liability you assume going to the show is that its a privelege for you to be there, NOT a right...you have no rights.....its a private event on private property and they have a right to set the standards.

Picture it this way...if it wasn't something you would say to your mom or do in front of your mom....does it make it right for you to do it in front of others which you may offend....the answer in any language is no.

You and your clique have no point...you were wrong and your deserved to be scolded about it....if it was my event i would have had you removed...now stop whining and either support the product or boycott it...that's the ONLY choice you have!!

First of all get your fact straight, just because i agree somewhat with this guys and his friends doesn't mean am with them. If you would have read my post you can cleary see that i wrote that i never went to the IMPACT Zone so stop put me with these, i don'T really now them and while i agree somewhat with them, i still think that TNA needs to change.

Speaking of TNA and Change, i've got nothing with the idea of change, but if your calling yourself a wrestling company and calling the competitor wrestler, should you actually put on a wrestling show. All Bischoff & Hogan done since coming to TNA is turn this wrestling company into a WWE/WCW sport entertainment type company. I agree with you, TNA need to evolve, they need to change there image but it not by coming in lying to the fans and looking exactly like what WCW & WWE look 10 years ago that they are going to accomplish that. This is a make or break year for TNA, but if they continue the way they are doing buisiness by false advertising match, not promoting anything and delivering the same type of product that was cool 10 years ago, TNA will be out of buisiness in 2 or 3 years and Vince Mcmahon will have won without even braking a sweat.

So am all for changes in TNA, but like so many experts said before, if you don't listen to your audience, your not going to succeed and that exactly what going on in the wrestling business right. Both TNA and The WWE don'T listen to their fans and it already start to bit the WWE is the a$$ and if TNA is not careful, they will suffer the same faith. So like i said before Hogan and Bischoff are trying to making the same mistake they did 10 years ago and if they don'T start listening the thier audience like this guys, that somehow everybody hates on this board, they won't get what they want. They want to be a alternative to The WWE be one and stop being a WWE clone.

 

[jackhammer_27]

So in other words they are doing exactly what they should do? And that is, letting TNA know their displeasure, the only way a fan can.

To me, and I'm sure, to these guys, and you hybrid wwe fan marks out there, understand this. We'd rather TNA dead, before they are successful WITH this awful, regurgitated anal fecal matter, that is called "sports entertainment."


TNA is making a huge mistake alienating their loyal fan base. It is we who support you long before the WWE. You can't say that for 95% of the "fans" who you're luring in with your lame ass sports entertainment.

Pope Has Spoken.

I'm sorry dude but that is the stupidest argument I've ever heard. You'd rather it be dead?!! That is like saying, " I love my kids but if they don't do what I tell them too I'll kill 'em dead." I for one think any TNA which is competition for the WWE you apparently despise is better at this point than not having it. The competition, if it really turns into one, will ultimately lead to BOTH PROGRAMS BECOMING BETTER. They'll have to continue to up the bar to keep up with one another. Just do us all a favor. Use a little logic before you post something silly like you hope your passion, your thing you love, should die.

 

[TellMeWhy]

All I want to know is how in the world did the OP conclude that TNA is trying to become PG by keeping their annoying smark fanbase on a leash? The threadstarter compared the 20 fans who come to every TNA show to the ECW fans. Well the dumb fans in Orlando are far from what the ECW fans were who actually helped make the show. These guys chant day in and day out or if they don't chant, they're fucking dead. It's cause of them why I want them out of the Impact Zone.

 

[psykohurricane]

I don't think your radar is on with this post, Blade.

The way I see it, TNA is trying to stop fans from making the live shows look like total bullshit. They're trying to stop the SMARK chants... not the 'offensive' ones.

The TNA crowd mainly consists of smarky fans who are constantly trying to make themselves the focal point of the show. They know they're in a small arena that you could hear a mouse fart in, so they make their voices heard by beginning chants that pulls the proverbial curtain back to expose the business. Why do they do this? To look cool and get noticed.

They're all ass holes.

It's not about turning the crowds into a PG audience. It's not about molding them to the clay model of the WWE. It's not about following Vince's age-old standards. It's about making the program an enjoyable, disbelief-suspending, entertaining program. The more these ass holes in the audience try to make themselves feel cool by giving away backstage news and internet rumors, the more they're killing the product for everyone else watching.

TNA calls the audience "Cast Members" in order to encourage them and give them what they want... to be a part of the show. But the audience is too ignorant to realize that the things TNA are telling them to do are beneficial towards the show, unlike the stupid chants they've been doing in the past. If they want to help TNA, the promotion that they (supposedly) love so much, they need to grab a glass of 'shut the fuck up' and do what they're being told.

TNA just started gaining REAL momentum... they want to keep it going.

So what your saying is that all the crap that TNA as done for the last 3 weeks is because of the fans and that those same fans that supported TNA for years during to good and the bad times are just going to accept this. I don't think so. I know that some of theses fans are A$$holes but not all of them and when the majority of the arena is against the product your giving them, they have the right to express it. The january 4th show was pretty good and gave them momemtum but since then, they pretty gave the TNA fan crap, last week show was pure crap with the nasty boys, Sean morley, Hall, NAsh and all those stupid backstage segment that made no sense. Then Genesis wasn'T that great either, to be perfectly honest not telling the wrestlers about the regular ring was stupid and made the matches seem un-prepared. Just look at the opening match to see what i mean. Then if you read the spoilers for this thursday's impact, you still see that were getting yet more crap and we even get something that a lot of you guy whine about a couple of months ago when the WWE did it.

So don't tell me that this fateful TNA fans don't have the right to chant the discontent at the current state of the TNA product, it's not going to work. Hogan and Bischoff are trying to push stuff down the throat of every TNA fan and most of them in the IMPACT Zone don't bite so since they don'T know what to do they give them a set of rules to try to control them and make them more like a WCW studio audience that doesn'T react unless something they want the fans to react to happen.

Hogan and Bischoff have always been afraid of wrestling. Sure they call the product wrestling but in reality, it sports entertainment. TNA as always been a wrestling company and the fans were what made them unique. Now the fan are castmember and are part of a tv show. So now it not a wrestling show anymore it's just another reality show that got to have fan in the audience. I fell bad for the TNA fan in Orlando and if i was them, i wouldn't show up anymore maybe after having problem getting people to there TV tapings they would realise how important the regular guys really were.

 

[roadkill_]

Stop trying to be relevant for the sake of being relevant. We were all glad when WCW finally hit the road. You don't want the same for TNA and the reason you don't is because producers will no longer have to come out and feed you candy like spoilt brats, because TNA will have finally got its ass in gear.

Nobody cares about you. GET OFF THE STAGE!

 

[D-Man]

So what your saying is that all the crap that TNA as done for the last 3 weeks is because of the fans and that those same fans that supported TNA for years during to good and the bad times are just going to accept this. I don't think so.

When did I say this? I'm saying that it's gotten worse and worse as the years have gone by. But now that big things are happening (i.e. Hogan/Bischoff joining, nWo reunion, influx of other talent) the crowd is going too far, TNA is finally stepping up and noticing that it is hurting their current product. So they're doing something about it.

I know that some of theses fans are A$$holes but not all of them and when the majority of the arena is against the product your giving them, they have the right to express it.

Prove this. Did you take a concensus? Did you tally the votes? I've been watching TNA ever since they got on Spike TV and it seems as if the majority of the audience LOVES the product. And once Hogan walked into the Impact Zone the place erupted and haven't stopped cheering since. So how can you possibly say the majority of them are displeased? It's obvious that this is just you and the other smarks talking.

The january 4th show was pretty good and gave them momemtum but since then, they pretty gave the TNA fan crap, last week show was pure crap with the nasty boys, Sean morley, Hall, NAsh and all those stupid backstage segment that made no sense.

I thoroughly enjoyed Impact both weeks since Hogan has appeared on TV. Granted, it's not 5-star material, but it buries everything that the WWE has done on Raw. And that's the goal, isn't it? To beat Raw in the ratings?

Then Genesis wasn'T that great either, to be perfectly honest not telling the wrestlers about the regular ring was stupid and made the matches seem un-prepared. Just look at the opening match to see what i mean. Then if you read the spoilers for this thursday's impact, you still see that were getting yet more crap and we even get something that a lot of you guy whine about a couple of months ago when the WWE did it.

So this makes it justified for all of you smarks to chant bullshit like, "Six-sided ring!" or turn your backs on Morley during one of his promos and completely disrespect him?? All of you smarks make up about 5% of that audience. It's FAR from majority ruling in that arena. Maybe all of you guys should sit back, relax, and enjoy the FREE ticket to the FREE show instead of critiquing it like you have a clue of what you're talking about. Stop speaking on behalf of an audience that you're obviously not qualified to be the spokesperson of.

So don't tell me that this fateful TNA fans don't have the right to chant the discontent at the current state of the TNA product, it's not going to work. Hogan and Bischoff are trying to push stuff down the throat of every TNA fan and most of them in the IMPACT Zone don't bite so since they don'T know what to do they give them a set of rules to try to control them and make them more like a WCW studio audience that doesn'T react unless something they want the fans to react to happen.

You have the right to chant whatever you want. Freedom of speech rings true.

However, do you want TNA to prosper or fail? If you want to complain, send a fucking email. Make a phone call. DON'T RUIN THEIR LIVE BROADCASTS. I mean seriously, how many brain cells does it take to understand that most of those smarky, know-it-all live chants are blatent signs of disrespect??

And you don't realize the influence that you have over the audience. To a pro-wrestling audience, a few bad apples spoil the bunch. So you and your buddies are going to start a trend of disrespectful chants similar to the "What?" chants that we STILL hear on WWE television. And you think you're helping the product?? Open your eyes, bro!

Hogan and Bischoff have always been afraid of wrestling. Sure they call the product wrestling but in reality, it sports entertainment.

What, in the name of all that is good and holy, are you talking about here?? Hogan/Bischoff are "afraid" of wrestling? They are two of the biggest innovators in the history of the sport! What the hell are they "afraid" of??

TNA as always been a wrestling company and the fans were what made them unique. Now the fan are castmember and are part of a tv show. So now it not a wrestling show anymore it's just another reality show that got to have fan in the audience. I fell bad for the TNA fan in Orlando and if i was them, i wouldn't show up anymore maybe after having problem getting people to there TV tapings they would realise how important the regular guys really were.

You people are so out of control that you don't even realize the purpose of disciplining you in the same reason you were all sent to the principal's office when you were children... because you're all doing something disrespectful and wrong. But your smark-shades are so dark that you can't even see it.

I feel bad for you guys. Your ignorance is going to kill what you claim you all love so dearly.

 

[roadkill_]

Which Impact is this for? The Live version? Or this weeks tapings? What TNA need to do here is identify the ringleaders, the attention seekers (Because thats all they are), and ban them from the set. This is an important time for TNA. The recent moves are bringing oldschoolers out of the woodwork.

They don't need wannabe 'Hat-guys' screwing up progress.

Edit:

I thoroughly enjoyed Impact both weeks since Hogan has appeared on TV. Granted, it's not 5-star material, but it buries everything that the WWE has done on Raw. And that's the goal, isn't it? To beat Raw in the ratings?

You know what, I agree. I haven't watched wrestling in years. Every year or so I sample a WWE effort, RAW or a PPV. And each times its shit. But watching TNA now, I'm eager. It making me hope and want to return to wrestling. Its reminding me of WCW of old. Which is a start.

 

[Norwegian Black Metal]

If you are angered fans and beleive that you are the majority, don't go to the Impact Zone, don't watch it on T.V., and don't buy their PPV's. If you really are the Majority, empty seats would make a much better statement than any chant you come up with.

If you are not the majority, your screwed.

 

[roadkill_]

If you are angered fans are truly the majority that you believe you are right about this, don't go to the Impact Zone, don't watch it on T.V., and don't buy their PPV's. If you really are the Majority, empty seats would make a much better statement than any chant you come up with.

If you are not the majority, your screwed.

They won't boycott the product because they like the attention. They like it when the producers come out and kiss their asses, and they like hearing their stupid chants when they go home and watch the show. This is where TNA is screwing up in that regard, they're pandering to these idiots. Ban them. Let even civilians take their place. Easy E and Hogan were right to be firm with them at the weekend.

 

[DarkAngel]

Hey guys. I'm one of the hardcore TNA fans who you see regularly on iMPACT! and TNA PPV. You probably recognize me as the guy who wears a shirt and tie to the shows.

I've seen a lot of posts claiming that the biggest thing wrong with TNA right now is us, the loyal fans in the iMPACT! Zone.

I'd like to give you a little perspective on things. There is a group of about 12-20 of us who are at every show we can attend (Collectively known as the "Crucial Crew", which is why you see us throw up the 'c' hand signal). And we DO NOT like the direction this company is going. Therefore, we express our displeasure in hopes that management will listen. Why? Because we LOVE TNA, and will not stand idly by while it gets raped by Hogan and his boys. If we were season ticket holders for a sports team, this would be expected, would it not?

Last night at Genesis was a major event in the growing war between the TNA loyalists and the Hoganites. I can tell you that very real battle lines are being drawn within the organization, and the conflict will get a lot worse.

Again, we LOVE TNA. So when a man who built his career and reputation on WWF Sports Entertainment comes in, changes the things that make TNA unique and basically tells us that the TNA model is broken and that "the smart marks in the front" (read Hogan's IGN interview) don't matter, aren't representative of mainstream America and so should be ignored- Yeah, we're gonna be pissed.

Last night was remarkable in that for the first time ever a TNA producer came down into the pit where we stand, grabbed my friend by the shirt and actually threatened to ban us from the building if we didn't stop with the "vulgarity and the negativity". From reports, this heat came directly from "Dixie and Terry who were pissed that we didn't put Morely over during his match with Daniels. Are you kidding? This happened during the Pope v Wolfe match, and totally killed the crowd. If you were wondering why the crowd was so dead during what was a great wrestling match, that's why.

Here's the thing though... We've become friends with a lot of the wrestlers, and they all love our energy, enthusiasm and passion, and have and continue to support us. The production crew, who takes heat directly from the top, HATE us, most likely because they are all afraid for their jobs.

Also, all of the Bubba Army idiots and other Hogan marks are now in the iMPACT! Zone and act like the complete tools they are. Oh, but THEY don't get scolded like 5-year olds, even though they are the most offensive people there.

I saw hundreds of people walk out on the show last night, something i've NEVER seen at a PPV. Things are getting weird. Hopefully, Bischoff and Russo are smart enough to use this tension to create compelling TV, but from my perspective, it seems like TNA is dying right before my eyes.

Rest assured, the Crucial Crew will fight to the end for the TNA we know and love!

Love the passion and love the heart you put into the post. But get over yourself, you're in over your head buddy, (LAUGHS) If you really think that TNA was on their way before Hogan and company came over to revolutionize TNA then I want some of whatever it is your smoking! I've been a WCW loyalist and TNA loyalist from the start and even though I hate Vince and love TNA, their 0.7's and 0.9's weren't going to cut it with Desmond Wolfe headlining for Christ sake. It just wasn't happening and it wouldn't of! TNA wouldn't of even gotten on the new TNA's level they are now without Hogan and their new hyped direction.

I get it, noone loves change, but if TNA wants to be better than WWE and over take them, then this was needed and the dis pleasure of the fans is wrestling 101. Don't like it, get out, I'll take your ticket. Being a TNA loyalist doesn't mean you need to be assholes and not give "the direction" a chance and start some bad blood within the company. If anything you need to embrace it because without Hogan opening Spike up to the Monday Night Wars, no way no how, TNA comes near a 1.5 with what they had, even if it took 10 years to do so! Sorry, but your shit to Hogan and TNA or even Dixie Carter. If you think 20 dis pleasured fans are going to take over everything then step out of geekville and get laid for once. If I was TNA, I would kick every one of you punk ass's out the door and told never to return. I'd rather watch the show than listen to the embarrassing fans. It's a shame that a fucking announcer has to come on and tell the idiot fans to not piss on everything.

I watched Genesis but it wasn't the wrestlers or the so called "direction" of the company that was the problem. It was the fans, and it will be the fans that drag TNA in the dirt if they keep acting like dickwads.

This is why TNA needs to hit the road and go global. The iMPACT zone is a joke anyhow and needs to be WASHED! How much does it hold anyhow? 25 people, including the "Crucial Crew?" What a joke.

TNA TNA TNA!

 

[Rayne]

To the original poster:

TNA, like any other business would do, thanks you for your prior enthusiastic support of the company. However, they have discovered that they can make more money without needing to meet the conditions of your support. As such, you are no longer necessary or desired. They thank you for sending them money, and if you weren't, why the hell would they want to keep you around?

It's about money, kid. It's *that* simple. It's not about fake gang signs, it's not about being "buddies" with the wrestlers (who thank you for sending them money), it's about money. Ask for a $100,000 box seat at the Impact Zone and maybe your opinion will matter a little more, but until then, you're just another fan with a sign.

 

[ALLIKakaMrJ]

As a member of the TNA Impact zone audiance I got to say im offended at the remarcks of some of the people on this. I can speak for the audiance as I am a part of it. First of there are those in the Impact Zone who have made TNA part of what it is. For the past few years they have been a company who prided itself on being a Wrestling company who was intouch with there fans. Then in the span of 2 weeks everything that we are familer with within this company is changed. As someone who has watched wrestling for many a moon its upsetting seeing a company you love go through such dramatic changes.

TNA under the direction of hogan/bischoff will only lead that company into the ways of WCW and sports entertainment. I was at the live show on January 4th and what I saw was far from wrestling fans enjoying a wrestling show. You had an audiance split 4 ways. The TNA die hards, your Hogan fans, Your Bubba's Army, and then those people from universal studios that they could fit. with those groups you are going to see a very pro hogan fanbase cause of his celebrity. wich is exact;y what happen. Now that the big shook and awe is over the Impact zone goes back to being half TNA/wrestling fans and those who wander in from universal.

And to call people like me a**holes because we are vocal in our oppinons just makes you sound stupid. for someone to defend free spech but then turn around and call us a** holes cause we dont agree with WCW v.2 is stupid.

As for the TNA fans at the Impact zone not being pleased with the product 1 you can tell by the way that they chant that we are not happy with what is going on. I can crituque any asspect of that show. Seeing as you have never been to a TNA Taping who are you to critique what we say or do. Before Hogan got there they loved the crowd and incoruged us to enjoy the show how we see fit. But now that things are changing into WCW V.2 they are upset. All it has become is a show where hogan and his buddies and people he likes have a place to show there version of sports entertainment. I for one dont like where TNA is going and I am hoping for the release of Hogan/Bischoff so that we might be able to get back to what we loved about TNA the Wrestling and Wrestlers not the cast of a sport entertainment 2 hour variaty show.

 

[D-Man]

As a member of the TNA Impact zone audiance I got to say im offended at the remarcks of some of the people on this. I can speak for the audiance as I am a part of it. First of there are those in the Impact Zone who have made TNA part of what it is. For the past few years they have been a company who prided itself on being a Wrestling company who was intouch with there fans. Then in the span of 2 weeks everything that we are familer with within this company is changed. As someone who has watched wrestling for many a moon its upsetting seeing a company you love go through such dramatic changes.

TNA under the direction of hogan/bischoff will only lead that company into the ways of WCW and sports entertainment. I was at the live show on January 4th and what I saw was far from wrestling fans enjoying a wrestling show. You had an audiance split 4 ways. The TNA die hards, your Hogan fans, Your Bubba's Army, and then those people from universal studios that they could fit. with those groups you are going to see a very pro hogan fanbase cause of his celebrity. wich is exact;y what happen. Now that the big shook and awe is over the Impact zone goes back to being half TNA/wrestling fans and those who wander in from universal.

And to call people like me a**holes because we are vocal in our oppinons just makes you sound stupid. for someone to defend free spech but then turn around and call us a** holes cause we dont agree with WCW v.2 is stupid.

As for the TNA fans at the Impact zone not being pleased with the product 1 you can tell by the way that they chant that we are not happy with what is going on. I can crituque any asspect of that show. Seeing as you have never been to a TNA Taping who are you to critique what we say or do. Before Hogan got there they loved the crowd and incoruged us to enjoy the show how we see fit. But now that things are changing into WCW V.2 they are upset. All it has become is a show where hogan and his buddies and people he likes have a place to show there version of sports entertainment. I for one dont like where TNA is going and I am hoping for the release of Hogan/Bischoff so that we might be able to get back to what we loved about TNA the Wrestling and Wrestlers not the cast of a sport entertainment 2 hour variaty show.

This is the difference between success and failure.

Sure, you were doing fine before. Ratings were stagnant. There was lots of wrestling and much less drama. And where was your precious company going?? NOWHERE.

Hogan and Bischoff may be implementing changes, but they are for the greater good of the company you hold so dear. Like it or not, THEY are the experts on the subject of television, NOT ALL OF YOU.

Your post is exactly what I despise about the sport of pro-wrestling... everyone thinks they know it all. You guys think that the majority of your audience agrees with you. But once the ratings continue to grow from Hogan/Bischoff's influence you'll be kicking yourself later.

If you want to change the product, go to the offices in Orlando and fill out an application for a spot on the creative team. Otherwise, let the experts do their jobs, sit back, be what you are, which is nothing more than an audience member, and enjoy the show.

And lastly, stop thinking that your chants and smarky actions are going to make TNA any better. You're dilusional if you honestly think that the viewing audience at home is going to tune into a product that YOUR crowd is constantly berating on live TV.