I don't see how Yoko looked like shit against Savage. Why wouldn't he try to slam his body into Savage. He was over 500 pounds. That should be his strategy. I thought he looked fine. Eddie obviously has more flashy moves than Yoko, but how would he overcome the size? How could Eddie Guerrero keep Yokozuna down? I understand people like Eddie more but do you really think he would have been able to beat Yoko?
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TheOneBigWill
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So, wait, you coming up with cleaver little ways to call me a pedophile (before I had any interest or desire to even post to you, or in this thread) is apparently okay - and when I actually defend my vote for Yokozuna, you throw in a couple smartass flame worthy notes.. but me saying you're mind fucking people is out of line?
Tell you what, you wanting to stay in a section of the forum where you know it's okay to flame people, because truthfully that's all you really do; that's fine by me. I have my reasoning for voting and obviously you do as well. Some agree with voting one way, others another.
I've given logical opinions on the situation, and your best reply is that it's smoke and mirrors - at what point you're doing nothing different than I am, as you said yourself. Also, let's be honest, you couldn't even come up with (the smoke/mirrors thing) yourself. You ripped it off someone like X, or Irish, or someone much higher up on this forum than you. And at most, you're still continuing to hope out of anything, you can get some form of respect (on an internet forum no less) for doing nothing more than acting like a fool.
I'm not going to degrade myself to your level by bitching back and forth (through flaming words) with an adolescence. Yeah, I'll lower myself enough to talk down to you, because to me that's exactly where you are.. beneath me. But I'm not about to be drawn into a flame war with you, for the simple fact my vocabulary is a little bit broader than it seems yours would be.
Finally, as for not wanting to post in the counted areas; you can claim it's because of not caring about your post count (or some form of a peen you referred to), but the mere fact that you actually referred to something as simplictic as a post count number - as any type of what I only imagine you meant to call a penis, truly indicates you do care. In a very warped sense of the way.
So, go ahead and cry in a corner, flame me back with random inserts of pedophilia or homosexuality, or anything else you deem low enough to crack a stupid joke on, because your brain simply isn't big enough to actually open up and say something of interest.
Now - until you read all of this, only to reply back with something that could be as minor as "It's a Will-fort/Word-fort, I didn't bother reading it." Because once again, let's face facts - it wouldn't matter the size of the post, but instead the number of actual words within it that you simply couldn't understand how to pronounce to form a base for a reply, any bigger than your simple flame or smartass retort. You're welcome, I'm done. (for now
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Looks like a pinfall there to me, chief. Of course, you mentioned "before Mania IX.." in which this match took place. And what I truly think you meant, was before Mania X. At which point, Crush was a heel. Just thought I'd help you out a bit.
Well, I suppose it was before Wrestlemania 10 then. My mistake.
And in regards to Brain... yes, I do think Guerrero had what it took. Sure, he wasn't as strong as Savage, but he was more creative than Savage. Eddie may have not been able to utilize any move where he picks up his opponent, but he doesn't need to. Eddie was a technician, he would work the legs until Yoko hit the ground, and providing Yoko's fat ass didn't break the ring, Eddie would hit a Frog Splash sending all of Yoko's fat into his skeleton and organs, which would cause tremendous pain, if not internal bleeding. Think about that, he'd already have 100-200 pound pushing down on his insides if he's just lying on his back, then to have a 200 plus pound man throw his entire weight onto Yoko's body, that would be a ton of force pushing that weight down on his body. If any finisher was going to be effective against Yoko, it would be the Frog Splash.
And in regards to Brain... yes, I do think Guerrero had what it took. Sure, he wasn't as strong as Savage, but he was more creative than Savage. Eddie may have not been able to utilize any move where he picks up his opponent, but he doesn't need to. Eddie was a technician, he would work the legs until Yoko hit the ground, and providing Yoko's fat ass didn't break the ring, Eddie would hit a Frog Splash sending all of Yoko's fat into his skeleton and organs, which would cause tremendous pain, if not internal bleeding. Think about that, he'd already have 100-200 pound pushing down on his insides if he's just lying on his back, then to have a 200 plus pound man throw his entire weight onto Yoko's body, that would be a ton of force pushing that weight down on his body. If any finisher was going to be effective against Yoko, it would be the Frog Splash.
I think Eddie would try to hit and run, but in order to get the win he'd eventually have to get close. All it takes is one quick chop or superkick and Yoko would take control. Eddie could also easily get caught with the samoan drop or belly to belly. Eventually Yoko would catch him. A leg drop and banzia drop would put Eddie away. I just don't see him overcoming the size.
The guys Yoko worked with in his prime were a tougher challenge than Eddie. Hogan, Taker, Luger, and Bret could come back. They stand a better chance against Yoko. Eddie works better against smaller men. Yoko is not a good match up for him. He would have a harder time coming back.
Eddie Guerrero has wins over Lesnar and Big Show. Throw Goldberg into the discussion all you want, he still extended Lesnar like almost nobody else did (I haven't checked recently but it may have been Lesnar's longest WWE match). Eddie can take the heavy hitters as well as any man his size ever has. To pretend that a midcarder with a couple big wins like Bret was in another world in early '93 compared to the Eddie of 2004 just doesn't ring true to me at all.
I must have misread that. Bret wasn't a midcarder either though. He was world champion for part of 93. That is of course until Yoko beat him. I'm not trying to argue who accomplished more. Some guys vote for who has the better resume. Some vote for who had a more imperssive repertoire. Some just vote for their favorites. I try to imagine an actual kayfabe match and think of how the bookers would script the outcome. I think Yokozuna 1993 would have been booked to beat Eddie Guerrero 2004.
TheOneBigWill
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Coco, you're claiming Eddie and Bret are almost equally similar to their title reigns from 93/04.. but they weren't.
I fail to see reason why I should repeat what Irish actually posted, (maybe you ignored it being blinded by rage for me and whatknot) but Hart was a Champion (Main Eventer, not midcarder) in a Company with only ONE Heavyweight title. He was leading the Company at that time.
Eddie Guerrero wasn't even leading his own Brand, as Champion or otherwise. The Undertaker was the top guy there. Eddie should not be compared to Bret Hart as if they're so much alike, that Eddie has every ability and justification as Hart, against Yokozuna.
I fail to see reason why I should repeat what Irish actually posted, (maybe you ignored it being blinded by rage for me and whatknot) but Hart was a Champion (Main Eventer, not midcarder) in a Company with only ONE Heavyweight title. He was leading the Company at that time.
Eddie Guerrero wasn't even leading his own Brand, as Champion or otherwise. The Undertaker was the top guy there. Eddie should not be compared to Bret Hart as if they're so much alike, that Eddie has every ability and justification as Hart, against Yokozuna.
That would be good... if Yokozuna wasn't so tired out from chasing Eddie that he could barely lift his own arms up, let alone Eddie Guerrero. Face it, the longer the match goes, the more it favors the fitter competitor, and that's Eddie Guerrero. Yokozuna wasn't fit for a fat guy like Dusty Rhodes or Vader, he was about as agile as a beached whale. In fact, I don't think there has ever been so apt a description of Yokozuna.
Yokozuna for beached whale of the 5th WrestleZone Tournament.
Bret's first title reign involved beating plenty of midcarders who weren't yet up to the task. To imply that that Bret would be a bigger test for Yoko than an Eddie who had seasoned himself against Kurt Angle in the main event of WrestleMania doesn't hold any water here. How do I see the match going down? Simple. Just as Bret (barely a headliner at that point) got Yoko ready to tap at WM9, I can easily see Yoko finding himself equally vulnerable against Guerrero. With Eddie's cheating being used to offset Yoko's dirty tactics (picture it like a math equation), Eddie's clearly the better man. Simple.
TheOneBigWill
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JBL (04) was booked to beat Eddie Guerrero (04).
Yokozuna (93) was booked to beat Bret Hart, and then within 4 months Hulk Hogan (effectively killing a legacy).
It's more than a safe assumption to believe Yokozuna, who lead a Company as it's sole Champion - as a dominating heel - would go over the face version of Guerrero, who couldn't even keep his World title against a guy like JBL, in a two brand system.
Once more:
Eddie beat season veteran Kurt Angle at the biggest show of the year.
Bret beat guys like HBK and Razor who weren't ready, a lot like him.
Two titles or not, Eddie got better opposition to chew on than Bret did in his first run.
Bret wasn't always the legend he is now. People seem to forget that.
