Goliath Uterus
Getting Noticed By Management
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SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
It still isn't too late for Foley to win.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
I don't really give a shit what Prime you put Eddie with, up against Yokozuna. There isn't a booker in the world stupid enough to book the lack-luster mexican cruiserweight over the 600 pound monster.
Eddie couldn't even have a proper Championship run. Sure, he beat Lesnar (thanks to Goldberg) and Angle, (due to cheating, as always) but then lost to JBL. Yokozuna defeated (and ended for a period of time) Hulkamania to win his World Championship. Then held it for over 3 Quarters of a year.
SO, you take the Championship prime of Eddie - who could still barely beat anyone - and match him up against the Yokozuna who destroyed Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, multiple others.. and your debate over why Eddie would win - will be as flat as Guerrero, had he of ever faced Yokozuna.
Do it right or don't bother doing it at all. Eddie's kayfabe prime wasn't when he was losing to Rikishi so you earned any flack I'm giving you for it.
You know who was a true-to-words midcarder in Yoko's prime? Bret Hart. You know who beat Yoko for the belt? That very same average sized midcarder. So why is the notion that another undersized, overachieving midcarder is capable of beating Yoko so off-putting to you? Don't know what cheating has to do with it. As captain of the Edge fan club, you shouldn't begrudge a rassler for playing dirty.
Probably something to do with your raging pedophilia.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Sorry, I couldn't read anything beyond bad sarcasm, loads of shit, and ending with a plea for stupidity rep because you aren't actually decent enough to post without saying something you'll hope others will find funny to cover up the amount of shit you say before hand.
You know who Yoko beat to win that Championship for the first time? Bret Hart.
You know how Bret Hart beat Yokozuna to win his title? Banking the entire match off Yokozuna losing his balance while climbing up the turnbuckles.
So, in the end, you're banking everything off Eddie being beaten enough to be set-up for a finisher - only to pull off the victory on the shear HOPE that Yokozuna loses his balance climbing the turnbuckle. (which, to my knowledge, has only happened twice in his career - the other time being against Austin, when the damn ring broke.)
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
Coco the point you're trying to make here (Which I agree with 100% BTW) is being lessened by the fact you keep calling Will a pedophile which is bullshit and you know it.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
I suppose Eddie did win his first World Championship off stupid luck and something other than his own ability. So, yeah, it's possible.
Goliath Uterus
Getting Noticed By Management
Nah Milekno, he is a pedophile.
So you're building Yoko up as some monster despite his biggest victories being dirty as fuck and then begrudging my reasonable assumption that Eddie would be able to pick up a tainted victory? Honestly, that's not passing the smell test.
Hey, look: No sarcasm.
Hey, look: No sarcasm.
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
So I just gave Eddie the edge in this match by one point...
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
I'm not in the slightest saying Eddie doesn't have a chance to win via cheating. However, I am very much saying that in order for him to have the opportunity to cheat - he'd have to at some point control enough of the match, to trick a slightly weakened Yokozuna into being tricked into 'said' type of situation.
Bret Hart defeated Yokozuna based entirely off the ropes. He didn't defeat him with any of his technical prowess. He locked in his Sharpshooter and instantly got tossed like a Cowboy from a Bull.
Most people, in Yokozuna's prime, couldn't even get the guy off his feet. WHAT in Eddie Guerrero's moveset do you possibly think he has, that will level Yokozuna enough for Eddie to attempt a Frog Splash?
You might as well push for people to believe Eddie will bring a chair into the ring, throw it on the mat, then drop just as quickly - all in hoping the official calls for Yokozuna to be DQ'd. Of course, if you're settling anything off Eddie cheating - what has you thinking Fuji or the master Manager of cheating, Jim Cornette - would allow Eddie to get away with that sort of thing, without distracting the official??
Once again, your entire argument is based off Eddie cheating to win - and nothing else. By everything you've said, and all that you haven't, I'm willing to bet YOU don't even think Eddie would win this match-up without some type of fluke-like cheating.
Bret had Yoko beat at WrestleMania 9. Getting Yoko weakened isn't the problem you pretend it is. Fuji is the issue.
I'm sure he'll be able to improvise something that can solve that problem. He's pretty bright by wrestler standards.
Lies. You're making this assumption based on non-kayfabe ramblings in this thread, not an actual kayfabe argument. You're not even close to the mark on this.
The facts? If we make bending the rules a non-issue for both Eddie and Yoko, meaning no Fuji, no lying, cheating, stealing, we have an even playing field where Yoko could easily find himself in that same compromising position Bret had him in at WrestleMania 9 and the same compromising position many top faces had him in. If anything, I reckon Yoko's the one who needs to cheat.
Oh, good. Sidious-like mind reading tactics. That's always fun.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Alright - then for argument case, I'm moving this post to the actual Eddie/Yoko thread. Go back up your mouth, and start proving me wrong. Otherwise, kinda stop running your mouth.
No. I'm not playing the post count game just because you want the 7600 and somethingth notch on your belt. Your count and e-peen might impress unsuspecting little lasses, but I couldn't give a fuck less so I'll be sticking it out in here for this one last post.
First of all, Big Show beat Eddie in 2003, a year shy of Eddie's prime. In 2004, Eddie beat Big Show to retain his WWE Championship after WrestleMania on SmackDown. At his kayfabe peak, Eddie has beated a superheavyweight. So that right there negates any point you'd like to make off of your non-fact.
Next: Dropkicks to the legs followed by a dropkick to his head once he's on his knees. Seems like a reasonable tactic used often against big men.
Third, Bret had Yoko beat. Clean. I'm not talking about losing his balance. I'm talking WM9. Managers negated, a top face can beat him. You can keep going back to WM10, but we won't be talking about the same thing. Four, in 1993, Bret wasn't all that much better than Eddie at his peak. It's a fair comparison.
Fifth, no mind-fucking. You're the one who brought up what you reckon I honestly think. You're the one bringing your smoke and mirrors into this. And as such, I'm done. I'm not going in circles so Mr. 7600 can argue like he's not contradicting his criticisms of me by doing the exact same things in other match threads. You either want to have a real argument or you don't, but this "I'm going to have a real argument with you in the match thread while I subscribe to completely different principles in another" shit doesn't fly for me. I can think of far better ways to spend my time than going gray pretending I value your input on a topic you've already proven yourself to be assbackwards on. As such, I'm riding off into the sunset with my head held high.
Vote Eddie, chums.
First of all, Big Show beat Eddie in 2003, a year shy of Eddie's prime. In 2004, Eddie beat Big Show to retain his WWE Championship after WrestleMania on SmackDown. At his kayfabe peak, Eddie has beated a superheavyweight. So that right there negates any point you'd like to make off of your non-fact.
Next: Dropkicks to the legs followed by a dropkick to his head once he's on his knees. Seems like a reasonable tactic used often against big men.
Third, Bret had Yoko beat. Clean. I'm not talking about losing his balance. I'm talking WM9. Managers negated, a top face can beat him. You can keep going back to WM10, but we won't be talking about the same thing. Four, in 1993, Bret wasn't all that much better than Eddie at his peak. It's a fair comparison.
Fifth, no mind-fucking. You're the one who brought up what you reckon I honestly think. You're the one bringing your smoke and mirrors into this. And as such, I'm done. I'm not going in circles so Mr. 7600 can argue like he's not contradicting his criticisms of me by doing the exact same things in other match threads. You either want to have a real argument or you don't, but this "I'm going to have a real argument with you in the match thread while I subscribe to completely different principles in another" shit doesn't fly for me. I can think of far better ways to spend my time than going gray pretending I value your input on a topic you've already proven yourself to be assbackwards on. As such, I'm riding off into the sunset with my head held high.
Vote Eddie, chums.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Khali's prime lasted about the same amount of time as Yokozuna's did it not?
So if I can't vote for Khali because of that, why can you vote for Yokozuna?
One last thing, since you'll ask:
It was the Nash vs. Rey comparison in the Owen match that I was referring to at the end there. So you can use Rey Mysterio figure out how Nash would fare against Owen but I can't draw comparisons between Eddie and Bret? Double standard much?
Get bent, prick. No wonder your logic is a joke around these parts.
It was the Nash vs. Rey comparison in the Owen match that I was referring to at the end there. So you can use Rey Mysterio figure out how Nash would fare against Owen but I can't draw comparisons between Eddie and Bret? Double standard much?
Get bent, prick. No wonder your logic is a joke around these parts.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
Sorry Coco, but no, Eddie would be squished by Yokozuna. Personally, I think 10% of Eddie's votes from any tournament should be deducted for the fact that they're pure attitude era sympathy votes.
Ok, kidding there, but Eddie does lose and HUGE.Sure, your "drop kicks" theory holds water. So does the "550 lb guy grabs the 220 lb guy and squishes his insides to his outsides" theory. Hart's drop kicks were swatted away like a fly, and so were Virgils. Yoko will be ready, and if Eddie leaves his feet too much, he's either getting a) caught and belly-to-bellied, b) rear thrust kicked back into his drug habit, or c) eaten.
Yoko had Bret beat at WM 10, too, and Bret even had more time to rest after his match with Owen than Yoko did after his match with Luger.
Yes, Bret was. He was a year-plus champ from 1992-1995 when there was only ONE title. Eddie needed the brand split and a two-title system to win the big one.
Once again you hold your own sir, but we agree to disagree here. Yokozuna clearly turns Eddie into taco meat.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
The fact that Coco would rather flame Will in here than debate him in the tourney thread has me tempted to vote against Eddie.
Okay, IC. Another reason I shouldn't be arsed: Some people, both supporters and detractors, are too hung up on the fact that Eddie's dead to see things objectively. I'm sure it grinds your gears that people have sympathy for those who die young, but some people are deserving of their praise regardless. Eddie is one of those people.
Also, Virgil? The fuck is wrong with you?
As for WM10, Bret had been in a longer, more physically demanding match which he straight lost. A lot more demanding that what Yoko had been put through. Even if we take into account that Luger is a heavier hitter than Owen, Yoko takes those shots with more ease than Bret takes Owens. Bret was far more disadvantaged heading into the final match at Mania 10 than Yoko was.
So much garbage going on in these argument that it makes my head spin.
Also, Virgil? The fuck is wrong with you?
As for WM10, Bret had been in a longer, more physically demanding match which he straight lost. A lot more demanding that what Yoko had been put through. Even if we take into account that Luger is a heavier hitter than Owen, Yoko takes those shots with more ease than Bret takes Owens. Bret was far more disadvantaged heading into the final match at Mania 10 than Yoko was.
So much garbage going on in these argument that it makes my head spin.
You're right. Will talking down to me with his "mind fuck" nonsense in the match thread looks so much more dignified.
Cunt.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
I read that post, and just figured you meant to do that. That says something, and it's good.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
I can understand Coco's rage with Will's post. But I'm staying out of that. Coco and I have a difference of opinion, and it'll likely stay that way.
Coco, you're right about the "death card" being played, but at the same time, you can see that Eddie and Owen Hart do sort of have a glamorous posthumous relationship with the IWC, can't you? Yokozuna died too, but to much less of the fanfare as Eddie got.
And the Virgil argument was to illustrate that the "dropkick" strategy has been attempted, and that Yokozuna merely swats those away from the smaller guys. Virgil and Eddie are roughly the same size, and both had similar drop kicks. Virgil gets murdered by Yoko in Yoko's PPV debut at Survivor Series.
Coco, you're right about the "death card" being played, but at the same time, you can see that Eddie and Owen Hart do sort of have a glamorous posthumous relationship with the IWC, can't you? Yokozuna died too, but to much less of the fanfare as Eddie got.
And the Virgil argument was to illustrate that the "dropkick" strategy has been attempted, and that Yokozuna merely swats those away from the smaller guys. Virgil and Eddie are roughly the same size, and both had similar drop kicks. Virgil gets murdered by Yoko in Yoko's PPV debut at Survivor Series.
