ROCKY VS CENA OMG
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If Rock doesn't win I might leave this forum forever.
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Seriously, the amount of Yoko love on this board is disgusting, he was a fat useless piece of shit who only got the belt for exactly that---being OBSCENELY obese as fuck and being foreign. Quite literally the only two reasons he was ever successful in this industry. Shit worker, no mic skills at all since he barely spoke English, and he "dominated" during the lowest point in WWF history, when they nearly ran themselves out of business as people tuned out in massive droves during the Bret-Yoko feud. Has Yoko ever even beaten anyone worth a shit clean? Ever? He always cheated to win, always. I can think of maybe one title defense where he won clean, and that was in a house show cage match against Bret, which he only won by falling out of the cage faster then Bret could climb out because he weighs 600 fucking pounds.
Guerrero on the other hand, one of the greatest workers to ever live, a fucking God on the mic, a bigger draw than Yoko could ever have dreamed of being, and he won more titles and had far more success than Yoko ever did.
Fucking IC, your shitty Yoko love has somehow convinced many of these halfwits that he was actually worth a piss. He wasn't. He couldn't spit shine Eddie's boots.
Oh but X! He's fat as fuck! He's 600 pounds!
Yeah and the fucking RINGMASTER Steve Austin beat him clean in 5 minutes when he was at his heaviest weight ever. Not Stone Cold, the RINGMASTER. If I remember correctly didn't Savio Vega also get a fuckin' clean pin on Yoko? Yeah, sorry, Eddie could easily defeat Yoko.
Yoko is not Vader. He's not some legendary super heavyweight who was a brilliant worker and a legend of this industry. Yoko was a fat stopgap for the title belt, no different from an over the hill Sgt. Slaughter or Iron Sheik getting the belt so they could transition into the next champion, only without even a margin of the success that either of those two men achieved in their career.
Fuck Eddie could (and has) wrestled 60+ minutes on many occasions. Yoko is completely SPENT after barely 15 minutes, and that was in his prime. Eddie could just run circles around the fat bastard and then take him out no different from how guys like Bret and Austin did.
The list of people better than Virgil is nearly infinite.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
I'm not comparing Eddie and Virgil on overall skill level. Eddie is light years ahead of Ted DiBiase's house-Shadgaspard. I was merely isolating the dropkick argument because they've been used on Yoko before, and for whatever odd reason, I recall them vividly. MAN I wish this memory of mine worked on something useful.
X, in all fairness, my appreciation for the Superheavyweights is quite similar to your love affair with international technical wrestlers who weigh 220-240 lbs. ANd I won't debate with you whose camp is better. But in his prime, 1992-1995, Yokozuna at 505-550 lbs beat guys bigger and better than Eddie Guerrero, no matter how well Eddie worked. Yoko split with Bret Hart (WM9, WM10), Lex Luger (SS, WM10), Hulk Hogan (WM9, KOTR), and The Undertaker (RR, I forget when the other match was...), going 1-1 in major PPV matches with each man.
Calling him a useless peice of crap is a sorry attempt to discredit the man based solely on his look. He was a HUGE guy who could execute maneuvers that required a great deal of agility.
And the endurance argument is crap and I've already destroyed that in years past.
1. Yoko is stronger than Eddie.
2. To move Eddie, a stronger Yoko has to move around 230 lbs.
3. To move Yoko, a weaker Eddie has to move around 550 lbs.
What takes more out of a man? Moving something that weights 230 lbs? Or something that is 550 lbs? Ask NorCal, MadCap, and myself. Eddie will be quite tired after 12 minutes with a guy that large.
PLUS, each of Yoko's strikes will take VASTLY more out of Eddie than the vice versa.
X, in all fairness, my appreciation for the Superheavyweights is quite similar to your love affair with international technical wrestlers who weigh 220-240 lbs. ANd I won't debate with you whose camp is better. But in his prime, 1992-1995, Yokozuna at 505-550 lbs beat guys bigger and better than Eddie Guerrero, no matter how well Eddie worked. Yoko split with Bret Hart (WM9, WM10), Lex Luger (SS, WM10), Hulk Hogan (WM9, KOTR), and The Undertaker (RR, I forget when the other match was...), going 1-1 in major PPV matches with each man.
Calling him a useless peice of crap is a sorry attempt to discredit the man based solely on his look. He was a HUGE guy who could execute maneuvers that required a great deal of agility.
And the endurance argument is crap and I've already destroyed that in years past.
1. Yoko is stronger than Eddie.
2. To move Eddie, a stronger Yoko has to move around 230 lbs.
3. To move Yoko, a weaker Eddie has to move around 550 lbs.
What takes more out of a man? Moving something that weights 230 lbs? Or something that is 550 lbs? Ask NorCal, MadCap, and myself. Eddie will be quite tired after 12 minutes with a guy that large.
PLUS, each of Yoko's strikes will take VASTLY more out of Eddie than the vice versa.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
Too true.
That actually strengthens the argument for me.
However, I voted for Yokozuna because he is Wasabia Toyota's great uncle, little known fact.
ROCKY VS CENA OMG
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Yokozuna would sit on Eddie Gurrero.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
Can't believe I actually disagreed with JMT about something, but alas, I had no choice but to respond to his post in the Lesnar/Rude match-up.
I really want to know where the fuck people have been getting this myth that Rude was some great worker. He was absolutely godawful for most of his career and sucked the life out of a match 9 times out of 10.
I really want to know where the fuck people have been getting this myth that Rude was some great worker. He was absolutely godawful for most of his career and sucked the life out of a match 9 times out of 10.
I really want to know what longevity has to do with anything. The same people pulling that card on Lesnar are basing their kayfabe arguments for guys like Yoko on a very limited period of time, ignoring the decline of his career while lamenting the fact that Lesnar never had a decline. Just seems like a very silly, backwards way to handle such affairs.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
How so?
Dude, seriously? You just proved my point for me about Yoko being incapable of getting clean wins without cheating. Literally EVERY SINGLE match you just named, Yoko won solely because of outside interference and cheating. Fuck you want to bring up his defeat of the Undertaker? Relly? Do you remember what happened in that match? FUCKING 12 HEELS HAD TO COME OUT AND BEAT DOWN TAKER FOR 10 MINUTES BEFORE THEY COULD PUT HIM IN A CASKET. For Yoko being so great in your eyes, he couldn't buy a clean pin if his life depended on it. Luger? Dirty win from interference. Bret? Dirty win from interference + salt to the eyes. Hogan? Dirty win from interference + an EXPLODING CAMERA OF DOOM. Undertaker? Needed half of the fucking locker room to stick him in a casket.
Those are terrible arguments that just further prove my point. Yoko was a terrible champion who never won clean, ever.
He completely could not. He could barely jog. He was anything but agile. Want an agile big man? Go watch Vader, Bam Bam, and Mike Awesome. Yoko at his absolute most agile could get maybe a foot in the air with a dropkick to the shins. MAYBE.
You completely ignored by "run circles around Yoko" line. Eddie doesn't have to move 550 lbs around, he just had to make Yoko chase him, which is fairly easy because Eddie is 10x as fast and agile as Yoko.
What? Yoko's strikes suck. If you think Yoko was a stiff striker, holy shit man, you desperately need to watch some actual stiff strikers, because Yoko was not one of them. Eddie put more force behind his European uppercuts than Yoko could put behind any strike in his arsenal, which consisted mainly of terribly weak chops and lame forearm hammerstrikes. Just because you're big doesn't mean you hit hard. The opposite in fact, using your own argument, it takes far more to Yoko strike someone with his huge obese arm than it would for a smaller guy like Eddie. As someone who watches MMA I thought you would know that. Tell me I don't have to bust out the famous Gerard Gordeau vs. Teila Tuli fight from the first UFC show? Tuli outweighs Gordeau by nearly 300+ pounds and gets beaten in less then a minute. Just because you're big, doesn't mean you're a good fighter, be it in legit MMA or kayfabe wrestling.
Guerrero's worst night > Yoko's best.
Now, back to my DDT. I have a 30 minute Kenny Omega match with an inflatable doll to watch thank you. (And it's still better than 99.9% of Yoko's matches).
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
I put Guerrero back in the lead. What happened to all of a sudden make that match close? If it is Will "arguments" I am not sure I even want to subject myself to reading that thread.
Out of curiosity, X what is your opinion on Muta as a worker?
Out of curiosity, X what is your opinion on Muta as a worker?
He was incredible at one time. He was a fantastic jr. heavyweight in the 80s, then became a brilliant heavyweight babyface as Keiji Mutoh, then he totally revolutionzed himself and the business with the Muta character, and became probably the best heel worker in the world at the time. He honed his heelwork and craft in the states in Florida and WCW, and when he got back to Japan he could be such a heat magnet. I mean he could get a crowd to riot at the guy because of all of the cheap tactics and cheating he did as the Muta character in Japan. Cheating is downright offensive to Japanese fans. Going back and forth between Muta and Mutoh through-out the 90s he was one of the best, but once the injuries started piling up and he got older, he's become pretty poor in the ring over the last few years. He's still one of AJPW's main guys though, which ticks me off.
I wouldn't put him in my Top 5 or Top 10 even, but he's arguable for Top 15-20 workers ever probably.
I just watched a match with Yokozuna today against Randy Savage shortly before Wrestlemania 9. The mother fucker had jack shit on Savage. Now sure, Savage goes over Eddie nine out of ten times, but both are similar wrestlers who utilize speed and smart offense. Yokozuna looked like crap, and this was at the height of his WWE career. Most of his offense involved slamming his fat body into Savage and trying to Bonzai Splash him, and he missed every single time. He wound up losing by DQ because Savage was about to beat him when Crush came out. Furthermore, he needed the help of both Mr. Fuji AND Jim Cornette to even make it that far into the match. I get that he was a big guy and that he went over his fair share of legends (albeit by cheating like X pointed out), but sometimes you just gotta call shit shit and move on.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Watching him work a Japanese crowd with the Muta character is simply amazing. Why is it some people get on him about his ring work being overrated? Is it the end of the career stuff or them not being used to the style he was using as Muta in Japan? Or are they just idiots? I have only seen so much of his work but in general I was really impressed by his psychology.
ScreaminNormanSmiley
formerly ScreaminNormanSmiley
I voted for Yoko, but to be fair I thought I was voting for Akebono. I mean how could I not? Did you see how he manhandled the Big Show?
