The Undertaker & Wrestlemania XXX

[enviousdominous]

Yadda' yadda' yadda, my pick is Sting.

Sting is the only person I would ever accept seeing defeat the Undertaker in a one on one match at WrestleMania. Sting's participation in a WrestleMania, or any WWE event for that matter, would be a very rare occurrence as we all know. This is part of the reason for why Sting has to be the man if it's ever going to happen at all.

Sting has remained one of the most popular faces in the history of pro-wrestling, his star power as a perennial face is a hell of a lot more potent than any face the WWE currently has on their roster. Sting has also made a career of making his opponents look good, he gives a hell of a lot to his opponents and has always had his heart in the right place when it comes to respect for the business.

Some might argue that Sting will probably be retiring soon, and that the honor should instead go to an up and coming face. My argument to that is the issue of risk. If you put an up and coming face in a spot where they've ended the legendary streak of The Undertaker, there's nowhere else for them to go. Any other achievement after that will pale in comparison, and if their status diminishes and they turn out to be a lost cause (swagger) then it would have been wasted on them. Sting has proven himself as someone who can still hang in the ring and whose star power would make this match into the must see event of the century.

I believe that Sting deserves this honor. Sting has been way over opponents of whom he's willingly laid down for. He was on par with Flair and loved a hell of a lot more than Hogan. I recall his match with Hogan where he expected a fast count, only to realize that Hogan had told the ref to count a legitimate 3 during the pin. It was one of many dick moves by that worthless sack of shit Hogan, a man who could have easily been replaced by ANYBODY in the late eighties.

Sting has been loyal to companies that systematically sold his star power short. He deserves something bigger than any obligatory title run would do for him. He deserves to come to the WWE, being paid handsomely for his participation, and shoot on The Undertaker and his infamous streak.

In my mind, nobody else would be convincing in defeating The Undertaker at WrestleMania. You're talking letting someone be put over every opponent that he's ever had at WrestleMania. You all know the names and the reputations that would be at stake in this, a money in the bank cash in would be fucking stupid. If it happens at all, it has to be in a one on one match with no fluke finishes.

Sting is the only person who deserves this honor as a means of letting the entire wrestling world know that his efforts for the business mattered, and after doing so can retire in style as a man who rose from the rubble of WCW and left his mark in the history books of the WWE.

 

[Kidpolean]

Hey, you are entitled to your opinion (even if it is wrong), and I am entitled to mine. The simple fact of the matter is, there has always been faces in WWE, guys who are idolized by children, guys who move a lot of merchandise, guys who make a lot of money for the WWE machine, yet not one of them has ever been immune from the possibility of a heel turn. How is it that Hogan, or the Rock, or Austin, or so many others were able to be turned (admittedly with varying degrees of success), yet it is deemed absurd to even suggest doing so with Cena?

Obviously Cena is the face if the company, no one would dispute that, but therein is the point. But the suggestion that Cena only appeals to children, and this is where WWE derives all of its income is a prevalent IWC fallacy. Look at the people in attendance at any arena, whether it be RAW, SD, or a PPV. Sure, plenty of children present, but lots of adults too. Who buys the tickets? Who buys the PPV's? The notion that the WWE is financially driven by the whims of their younger audience is simply not correct.

How would this make money for WWE? By sparking greater interest in its adult demographic. You know, the people who purchase the PPV's. Who buy the tickets for the shows. Who buy the t-shirts . And who decide to bring their kids to the events or allow them to tune in to watch the product.

Cheating to win is the ultimate way to fuel the heel turn. It also allows the Undertaker to lose his streak but not look bad in the process. And it would elicit such a backlash of emotions that would turn the business upside down. Plus, I did say that it didn't necessarily have to be overt cheating, but it would have to be some sort of underhanded activity to elicit the greatest response.

I don't suggest a permanent heel shift, rather a finite period of time after which Cena sees the error of his ways and turns back. And gee, I wonder what demographic would be waiting there to lap that up when that happens. I'd be willing to bet that when the eventual return to face status occurs, WWE will probably sell a t-shirt or two.

dude do I really have to explain why Cena is different...Austin, Rock, Hogan turned heel when teenagers, that were aware of wrestling being fake, were the target audience. Teenagers have a different mindset than children. Teenagers love rebels. That is why Hogan turning worked so well, being a rebel was the cool thing to be. This is also the reason dx and Austin vs McMahon worked so well. Cena is loved by little kids. There is a pretty big age difference between an Austin fan during the AE, and a current Cena fan. Cena turning would cause children to possibly stop watching wrestling because they would take it as their idol/role model turning their back on them.

There is a reason WWE went pg...Kids equal $$$. By your logic, Elmo is huge with adults because they are the ones that buy his dvd's and merchandise lol. Of course parents buy the merch cuz kids don't have money but kids do get there parents to spend alot of money. Kids wear more WWE merchandise than adults and this is obvious. Think about how much money Cena brings in from kids each year. Now do you really think that a heel Cena could sell more merchandise to adults than a face Cena can sell to kids? What if he turns heel, loses most of his child fan base, and adults still don't like him? Than what? You just ruined the only thing keeping your company in business.

do you have kids? My nephew Christmas list consisted of nothing but John Cena merch...im a huge wrestling fan and literally asked for nothing wrestling related...that alone should tell you something.

this might be an opinion...but it is the right opinion. Turning Cena heel so a few IWC fans will cheer for him, while killing his massive child/parent fan base is so stupid that it shouldn't even be talked about. It makes 0 sense. Do you know how many children would cry? Do you know how many people would immediately stop watching Mania if this scenario happened? I don't think you are aware of how much little kids love Cena and how many parents support Cena because he is a great role model for their children. This just simply CANNOT happen. This would be one of the worst decisions WWE has ever made.

 

[Sundar]

Well thought and and written but a larger piece of trash I have rarely seen.

Let's start at the bottom of the pile and work our way up.

Lesnar is the wrong guy to beat the streak, mainly because it means nothing to him as he is not really a wrestler, he's a glorified PR piece and mercanary. Taker has beat Brock several times in the past, mostly on smackdown. So that point of yours is wrong.

Let's jump to the top.
Who was most likely/potential to break the streak, after it started picking up? You listed Randy and HBK. But you forgot Edge. At the time Edge and Taker were having the feud of the year, and Edge was also undefeated at WM, somthing like 7 or 9 and 0. Edge's future at that point, and his rank among the roster made him the most likely of all and would have helped push edge out of cena's and the rocks shadows and to be at the same level as at the top. He would have benefited best as he was at an age and career level that would have made it suitable for him to carry on with this accomplishment. Randy was too young and immature to handle the responsibility. HBK...never bought that he was going to win.

You talk about it being sad that he lost 2 in a row, but honestly, considering all the shit he made Taker and every one else put up with before he lost those 4 years, this was just payback, and karma biting him in the ass. As for you not liking the fact that Taker had to threaten HBK to do the job at WM14, that is and was HBK's fault for being an ass. If he had been a team player and not a egomaniacal diva glory hound, it wouldn't have had to happen. That's the difference between Taker and guys like HBK, Hogan, and Flair. Taker's always cared about doing what was right for the business, not himself. He could have done a Rock and left, I'm sure there would have been offers for him, he could have gone to WCW for more money, gone on the talk circuit and book route of Foley, but he was more concerned about the business and doing the right thing then self promotion and egocentric projects. Don't forget, HBK is the one who posed in Playgirl and repeatedly refused to put over other talents every step of the way. And you e reare also wrong about the returned HBK not being as entertaining as the original, because honestly, I've never found much entertainment in HBK except enjoying seeing him getting his ass kicked because that way at least he was't butchering a promo.

DDP wasn't buried. he just didn't have what it took to get over with the wwe audience. He couldn't play the same role he did in wcw, since that role (bluecollar rugged guy, hates the boss, hated by the boss, underdog fan fav) was firmly in Austin's back pocket. So he tried a few things and couldn't connect to the fans the way he did with WCW. He'd also at that point closing in on 50. He didn't become a wrestler until late 30's early 40's so time was against him as well.

Brock Lesnar is and has always been a legit wrestler. Even when he was in the UFC he said he was a wrestler and wrestling(amateur) was what got him into MMA. And no Taker has NEVER beaten Lesnar, their first match at Unforgiven 2002 ended in a double DQ, Lesnar had a clean win at No Mercy and then a year later they had a Biker Chain match which Lesnar won after Vince interfered. Those are the only 1 on 1 matches they had that I can remember, they may have had tag matches on Smackdown that Lesnar could have lost. Lesnar was also the guy who eliminated Taker at Royal Rumble 2003 so yes Brock has always had the upperhand in their encounters, which is why Taker was so butthurt after he left the company. I never said he deserved to end the streak. I said that if at all the streak were to end it should be ended by a new guy who arrives in the company and gets pushed hard just like Brock Lesnar was when he came in 2002.

Yes I forgot Edge. He definitely deserved to break the streak as well. I think they should have let Edge lose by DQ at Mania and then win clean at Backlash or Extreme Rules or whatever the next PPV was.

DDP was buried. The whole storyline with him and Taker's wife just made him look so weak.

 

[thebarber]

The STREAK I do not see ending anytime. I have posted my idea on this topic numerous times,and the only way I see his streak ending, but keeping his legacy going, is to create and debut a character,. a dark, brooding, younger character who is later found to be the Son of Undertaker. My name for this character is Calaway. Fail to ever mention his backgrounduntil he has won for well over 6 months, have him undefeated leading to the night after ther Rumble and have a 8-10 week build to the Undertaker taking on this undefeated, dark, brood like character. I would have the artist formerly known as Crimson brought in to portray this character. He is tall, agile, has a tremendous look. Obviously fans would have to suspend belief, but the story could be that Calaway was raised by paul Bearer since 1990 when Taker debutted and was tooo busy on the road to raise his child. Now Paul Bearer has passed and will be inducted at the HOF 2014, this could even take off the night after Mania and run for the year, have Taker out injured or off tv for months whilst Calaway builds his impressive undefeated streak, have him take out top level faces like Christian and R Truth and Kofi and other over faces.Just an idea of course and the story would have to be tweaked, but they could obviously utilise Kane and Ted DiBiase in this storyline which is 24 years in the making

 

[Bernkastel]

I don't see the streak ever ending at this point; it just wouldn't be believable. There are some opponents like Rock or Cena that could elevate the streak even further with their star power, but I don't see Taker losing at this point in his career. Neither Rock nor Cena have anything to gain from winning, both being bigger stars than Taker anyway, and a loss would destroy the streak.

I've discussed it before, but I think WWE should focus on trying to get the best match possible out of Taker and his opponent. The mindset of "trying to top what we did last year" would be the best thing to do, but even then that can be tricky. CM Punk/Taker had to follow HHH/Taker 3 which had to follow Michaels/Taker 2, which drew 70,000. Not an easy thing to do; however, it's the thought that counts. I don't expect to see a groundbreaking 5 star blockbuster every year, but a good match that as a fan I can enjoy. As long as the streak delivers that, I'm happy.

 

[sulfureo]

and why don't think to the post popular face in this moment?

Personally, I'd love to hear crowd resonding to the question, "can I end the streak?"
YES! YES! YES!

If Bryan will go out from the belt battle, he can be perfect against Taker... even because he is not a giant, and we all know Taker have some phisic problems.


I agree with all of you thinkink the Streak will never, eeeever End, but all we need and want is a credible match.
No one think Wyatt family can end the streak.
Some of us can think Cena, Lesnar, The Rock or Bryan can end the streak. No others name, in my opinion, are so legend to try this.

Oh, and a man I'd love to see against the Deadman, but unfortunatley will never came to wwe: Abyss.

 

[TheNew_ApexPredator]

I dont think the steak will end because HHH wont let it be, HHH lost twice and i dont see him letting someone win against Undertaker, but as you said if it was to happen i would say Randy Orton maybe going back with his legend killer gimmick (which was really cool) but id go with someone more young that would be longer in the business than randy. Maybe Sheamus if he returns as a heel and WWE build him up as the powerhouse that he is! Sheamus can be that top heel for the years to come because he really needs to do something! he is boring as a face. WWE would really have to think this through if HHH HBK and etc couldnt beat Undertaker what makes a mid carder beat Undertaker but Sheamus would be a great choice as he is powerful and young and can be a heel!!
thats the logical way to go i would say!

Other options id be happy with:
Ambrose or Roman of the Shield is also a good one.

 

[Aquaman6686]

I dont think the steak will end because HHH wont let it be, HHH lost twice and i dont see him letting someone win against Undertaker

Triple H lost to Undertaker at three WrestleManias, not two.

As I've said before, if Edge didn't end it, nobody should. There's nobody on the roster today who deserves to end it.

 

[Spencesc11]

What about this.....

Wrestlemania XXX
CM Punk vs. The Undertaker II
Just when it looks like Taker is going to win the ref gets knocked out. Brock Lesnar comes out and F-5's Taker allowing Punk to get the win. After the match Paul Heyman comes out and hugs CM Punk. They tell everyone the next night on Raw that their feud was just a master plan to take down the Streak. Now that storyline would shock the WWE Universe and make Punk the greatest heel of all time.

Then at Extreme Rules you have CM Punk for Shawn Michaels (unsanctioned street fight since HBK is "technically" retired).

Summerslam
CM Punk and Brock Lesnar vs. HBK and Taker

 

[WWFHallOffamer]

I was just thinking what if the whole Kane/Taker angle was for Kane to end the streak one day as revenge for his brother and this would be the perfect place for it WM 30

Storyline: Undertaker returns at the royal rumble and is in the final 3 and Kane (already eliminated) comes in takes out taker drags him to the ramp and shoves him in a casket and sets it on fire Taker returns at elimination chamber tries to ask Kane about what happened but get's chokeslammed on the floor the next night on Raw Kane say's he was brainwashed by Paul Bearer to forget about what happened with Undertaker but I looked inside the urn and it all came back to me then I thought to myself it's time to take him out once and for all he tried to kill me so I'm going to kill him any chance I g... (Gong) Taker: Kane I will not fight you that was an accident and spilled milk quit being redic... Chokeslam from Kane to Taker through the ring the next week Kane comes out but (Gong) on the tron just like before I will face you and you will rest in peace comes from under the ring and drags him to hell.Kane tells Taker 21-1 is your fate at WM (gong) 22-0 shows on the tron (gong) Undertakers in the ring him and Kane brawl with Kane getting a tombstone on Taker 21-1 shows on the minitron as Undertaker's Career 1990-2014 appears on the titan tron as Kane kneels over Taker at Mania.Kane announces a new type of match an Hell Match where the Hell in a Cell surrounds the ring and a cage will be surrounding the ring where you have to put your opponent in a casket bury them alive and set the grave on fire.Kane goes over show's no remorse until the next night on Raw and Kane retires himself.

or

________________________________________________________________
John Cena ends it in a last man standing match with Lesnar or a stable of young stars helping him which Cena shouldn't turn at this point he doesn't need it.

 

[MCMG]

I'm not sure if a Money in the Bank contract being cashed in is the right way to end the streak. It would be fantastic for some reasons: the heat gained for the man who cashes in; and the incredible shock factor. The Undertaker holding the WWE Championship in his hand after going 23-0 before someone comes to the ring and cashes in, winning the title and ending the streak would be amazing.

I personally think it would be an anti-climax. After so many incredible matches that The Undertaker has put on at Wrestlemania it would be frustrating to have it all end with someone cashing in the MITB. If they are going to end the streak it should be in another high quality match.

As for which individual should end the streak: I don't think there is an obvious name. Wyatt, someone from The Shield, Ryback are all possibilities but not one stands out. I personally think having Cena end the streak would be a waste, if they want to end the streak then it should be someone relatively young that needs the rub.

 

[CanYouDigIt98]

I think anyone ending the streak would be a bad move for WWE.

Undertaker's final bow is going to be soon. We seen him about 4 months a year (If that) and the yet the hype he creates is HUGE! Anyone who has ever watched WWE in there life will always watch Wrestlemania. No matter what. It's like when a small club get to a Cup final in Football (Soccer to you Americans) and the whole Town/City goes to watch. Everyone looks forward to Undertakers match. The streaks on the line and it's never a dull match. It brings that little kid back out in everyone.

IF, They were to end Taker's streak at this Mania, It would be the worse mistake Creative have ever made. The backlash from the IWC and Wrestling fans a like would be just so horrible for WWE. There's no coming back from it either. Once his streaks gone, So is he.

21-1. That will go nice on WWE merchandising in a few years wont it?

It wont end. There's no discussion to be had. Not one Wrestler is worthy of ending it. If they were going to end it, it would of ended years ago.

Undertaker vs Ryback/Lesner/Cena/The Rock- This year for me.

Undertaker vs Stone Cold Steve Austin will feature before the end In my opinion though.

 

[BrutalBarrett]

I'm sorry, but nothing that Bray Wyatt has done, or will ever do, will be worthy enough to step into the ring with The Undertaker, let alone end the streak. The guys are completely on two different levels. The streak should never be ended. If WWE are stupid enough to end it, in my opinion as much as I don't want to say this, it should only be Cena. I hate Cena's character, but outside the gimmick, he does so much for the company, all the charity work, he wrestles week in week out, while bringing out movies etc. Even when he's injured he will still appear to cut a promo etc, given the exception of this latest injury, which he carried on the storyline and wrestled with an injury just to complete his part of the storyline then took some well needed and deserved time off to recover. Like I say I'm not the biggest fan of Cena's gimmick, but I have the utmost respect for him as a person, where the fans come first, and the money second and only he deserves to beat Undertaker.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Ugh. Again with this topic. But I've noticed a few myths people have been spouting off and presenting as facts. Let me direct them first.

1. "Triple H won't let Undertaker be beaten because he couldn't beat him."

For starters, this entire sentence is completely mental. Triple H isn't in charge of everything just yet, and even if he was, he can't just walk into a board meeting and say "Okay, since my character didn't beat Undertaker, he ends his career with the Streak intact." Can you imagine sitting their in your suit and hearing that? Even if it's barely implied? No Undertaker is going to end with The Streak intact because it's been built too large for any superstar to take it. You're kidding yourselves if you think any name you list can win. I like dreaming too but damn.

2. "Bray Wyatt [insert fortune telling here]"

Admit it. He's one of the most exciting newcomers WWE has had in a while that wasn't a complete jobbing joke. Even if you don't like his gimmick or his ring skill, you know he captivates the majority of the audience. To think he isn't qualified to fight Undertaker at WrestleMania is pure stupidity. Undertaker fought a guy in a hairy bodysuit. I'm pretty sure it's not too much of a stretch to think Wyatt could fight Undertaker there too.

Nobody is going to beat The Undertaker. Nobody should.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

Ugh. Again with this topic. But I've noticed a few myths people have been spouting off and presenting as facts. Let me direct them first.


2. "Bray Wyatt [insert fortune telling here]"

Admit it. He's one of the most exciting newcomers WWE has had in a while that wasn't a complete jobbing joke. Even if you don't like his gimmick or his ring skill, you know he captivates the majority of the audience. To think he isn't qualified to fight Undertaker at WrestleMania is pure stupidity. Undertaker fought a guy in a hairy bodysuit. I'm pretty sure it's not too much of a stretch to think Wyatt could fight Undertaker there too.

Nobody is going to beat The Undertaker. Nobody should.

I'm sorry I guess I don't really get your point here. You're saying that he's qualified to face the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. You do realize that the Undertaker match at Wrestlemania is one of the Main Events and many times THE main event at Wrestlemania. What exactly has Bray Wyatt done IN WWE AS BRAY WYATT, to make you think that he can main event wrestlemania? I'm not even talking about beating Undertaker, which, I agree with you, won't happen. As the streak has grown longer, the quality of opponents has gotten better since the days of Giant Gonzalez.

I'm not saying Wyatt sucks, I'm asking for evidence to suggest that he can main event wrestlemania this year against the Undertaker? I'm not denying he has a great gimmick but is that all your criteria is based on? Daniel Bryan hasn't even fought Undertaker at Wrestlemania, neither has Cena but suddenly Bray Wyatt is qualified???

 

[Spidey Revivey]

I'm sorry I guess I don't really get your point here. You're saying that he's qualified to face the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. You do realize that the Undertaker match at Wrestlemania is one of the Main Events and many times THE main event at Wrestlemania. What exactly has Bray Wyatt done IN WWE AS BRAY WYATT, to make you think that he can main event wrestlemania? I'm not even talking about beating Undertaker, which, I agree with you, won't happen.

I'm saying "qualifications" is a bullshit term. As long as they can run a program together that won't put the fans to sleep, and can work a match, then it won't be as bad as people are trying to make it out to be. I'm just saying it's not a complete stretch to see Bray Wyatt facing Undertaker anymore than it is to see "YES!" "YES!" "YES!" Daniel Bryan.

As the streak has grown longer, the quality of opponents has gotten better since the days of Giant Gonzalez.

No it hasn't. Why else would Undertaker's opponents go from a credible feud with a "Legend Killer" in Randy Orton, to Mark Henry?

Or I'll do you one better: If the quality of his opponents have improved, why for 4 years have Taker's WrestleMania matches been rematches?

I'm not saying Wyatt sucks, I'm asking for evidence to suggest that he can main event wrestlemania this year against the Undertaker? I'm not denying he has a great gimmick but is that all your criteria is based on? Daniel Bryan hasn't even fought Undertaker at Wrestlemania, neither has Cena but suddenly Bray Wyatt is qualified???

I go by the belief that if they want to bill The Streak legitimately ending, it would be by someone who can benefit the most from it. The proverbial torch would be passed, so why shouldn't it appear to be passed to someone who shares a dark gimmick? Someone who would "replace" him?

But then again, my dream WrestleMania match isn't Bray vs Taker. I just believe people are shitting on something that isn't really that terrible an idea.

 

[TheGrimReaper]

In my Opinion, the only person I really want to see fight The Undertaker at a WrestleMania is Curtis Axel. Maybe not this year's WrestleMania the way He's going, but A WrestleMania. I've always enjoyed his in-ring work even though he's really had a less-than-stellar run as of late. It's my belief that Axel's "Perfect" style could compliment Taker's style in a match between the two. It's my belief and you can choose to believe differently. Now as for Beating the streak, eh... Not so much, It would be nice if someone Defeated the streak at this juncture, but on the other hand, Seeing the greatest streak in Professional Sports today end would be a bummer for the business. It's really a weird action to take.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

I'm saying "qualifications" is a bullshit term. As long as they can run a program together that won't put the fans to sleep, and can work a match, then it won't be as bad as people are trying to make it out to be. I'm just saying it's not a complete stretch to see Bray Wyatt facing Undertaker anymore than it is to see "YES!" "YES!" "YES!" Daniel Bryan.

Or I'll do you one better: If the quality of his opponents have improved, why for 4 years have Taker's WrestleMania matches been rematches?

Because Undertaker has a very limited number of matches left in his career. His in-ring career has become his once a year match at WrestleMania. It has reached the point that Taker getting into the ring is, in and of itself, an event. You need gravitas to get that match.

Those rematches that Taker has had have been four star matches against two of the biggest names in wrestling. They were big money matches that lead a PPV. I mean, seriously? Call it repetitive if you must, but Triple H and Shawn Michaels are quality opponents. So were Punk, Batista and Edge. All of these matches were big time matches.

So yeah, suddenly throwing Bray Wyatt in the mix IS a step down. It does seem undeserved. If they did it, I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed, but I'd be hoping that Wyatt gives the match of his life as a result.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Because Undertaker has a very limited number of matches left in his career. His in-ring career has become his once a year match at WrestleMania. It has reached the point that Taker getting into the ring is, in and of itself, an event. You need gravitas to get that match.

Gravitas? Are you saying it takes dignity to wrestle a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania?

I don't understand how having a few matches left automatically means he should face multi-WWE Champions from now on. I thought getting the rub from a legend like Undertaker would be the best thing to happen for a rookie. Seems like a waste on a 20 time whatever.

Those rematches that Taker has had have been four star matches against two of the biggest names in wrestling. They were big money matches that lead a PPV. I mean, seriously? Call it repetitive if you must, but Triple H and Shawn Michaels are quality opponents. So were Punk, Batista and Edge. All of these matches were big time matches.

They were big time matches because of the build and the work ethic of each party. That's it. If Bray Wyatt entered with a compelling storyline to face Undertaker (and do remember that Wyatt's intentions in the WWE haven't been made clear yet, and by now will most likely have something to do with the Deadman) then it will sell. Even if he's a rookie. Rookie's have stepped up before.

So yeah, suddenly throwing Bray Wyatt in the mix IS a step down.

How so? I can easily say throwing CM Punk in the mix was a step down. As skilled an athlete as he is, he still needed to run a program with Undertaker to sell WrestleMania, and it's been disputed on here if it was really that good.

And again, Taker's opponents at WrestleMania haven't been a steady stream of quality. It's not a step down compared to other names Taker has beaten there.

I must reiterate that so far I see nothing completely special about Bray Wyatt. I enjoy his gimmick because I am fond of dark gimmicks, but that is it. The reason why I am defending Wyatt is because quite a few people here have it in their head that Wyatt is a horrible opponent for Taker. I think this mentality that he can't wrestle him because-

He's "underqualified"

is pure bullshit. There was a time we enjoyed the program because of the characters and the wrestling, not because of kayfabe credentials.

It does seem undeserved. If they did it, I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed, but I'd be hoping that Wyatt gives the match of his life as a result.

In what way would a rookie taking on a legendary streak be considered "undeserved"? How does one deserve facing Taker? Not beating him, but facing him?

I would hope any wrestler would wrestle to the best of their ability. That is why they have a job.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

Gravitas? Are you saying it takes dignity to wrestle a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania?

No, not dignity. Seriousness.

I don't understand how having a few matches left automatically means he should face multi-WWE Champions from now on. I thought getting the rub from a legend like Undertaker would be the best thing to happen for a rookie. Seems like a waste on a 20 time whatever.

This isn't about getting a rub. It's about setting up big money matches that bring in PPV dollars. That's the business. If there was a popular midcard guy ready to break into the main event, then that might be different, but Wyatt is completely untested. I think this is actually an argument for a Undertaker Vs. Daniel Bryan match, if anything.

They were big time matches because of the build and the work ethic of each party. That's it. If Bray Wyatt entered with a compelling storyline to face Undertaker (and do remember that Wyatt's intentions in the WWE haven't been made clear yet, and by now will most likely have something to do with the Deadman) then it will sell. Even if he's a rookie. Rookie's have stepped up before.

Sure, could happen. Convince Taker to have a match at Royal Rumble then. Let Wyatt get his rub at some other point in time. Still unconvinced he's big enough for a WM match with Taker.

How so? I can easily say throwing CM Punk in the mix was a step down. As skilled an athlete as he is, he still needed to run a program with Undertaker to sell WrestleMania, and it's been disputed on here if it was really that good.

And again, Taker's opponents at WrestleMania haven't been a steady stream of quality. It's not a step down compared to other names Taker has beaten there.

I suppose you can say that, but I'm not sure if that would help your argument in the eyes of others. What Undertaker opponents in recent memory haven't been quality? You'd have to be going back several years now...Mark Henry maybe? 7 years ago?

I must reiterate that so far I see nothing completely special about Bray Wyatt. I enjoy his gimmick because I am fond of dark gimmicks, but that is it. The reason why I am defending Wyatt is because quite a few people here have it in their head that Wyatt is a horrible opponent for Taker. I think this mentality that he can't wrestle him because-

He's "underqualified"

is pure bullshit. There was a time we enjoyed the program because of the characters and the wrestling, not because of kayfabe credentials.

Not a "horrible" opponent. An unlikely opponent for that particular stage. An opponent that fans will take a look at on the card, and say "I ain't paying $70 for this shit. Where's Taker Vs. Lesnar or Taker Vs. Cena?"

Because underqualified is a nice way of saying not a big money match talent...

In what way would a rookie taking on a legendary streak be considered "undeserved"? How does one deserve facing Taker? Not beating him, but facing him?

I would hope any wrestler would wrestle to the best of their ability. That is why they have a job.

Any other time of the year...go with Wyatt Vs. Taker. At WrestleMania, you bring out your best.

 

[Redrum]

The problem with the last few opponents who have faced taker is you already know for a fact taker wins. Taker i think is willing to let the streak come to a end. He and WWE offered it to orton who turned it down at the time. It would be a massive fail to let the streak end to someone who doesn't need it. Punk,HHH and HBK didn't need it so i knew they wouldn't end the streak. Going forward Cena,Lesnar and the rock damn sure dont need it.

The streaks best use at this point imo would be to give a massive rub to a guy who can be a major player and one of THE guys for the next decade or so. Wyatt vs Taker i think could set up a really sick storyline and would have me thinking maybe this guy could be the one.

I dont buy all this crap about "Oh you cant let the streak end" Why not? Its not going to effect the legacy of taker because he lost a match. Maybe if this was real and the outcome wasn't predetermined i would agree but its not. He loses so what? Is that going to make me forget all the great match's he had. Even without the streak, say he lost four or five of his WM matches i would still have him as one of the greatest of all time. He put out great matches and programs when he was full time year round not just at WM.

Good thing is that taker i think sees it this way too and wouldn't mind offering the streak up to give a rub to a up and comer. He may have a issue with giving it to a guy who doesn't need it.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

According to a report from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Taker vs. Brock Lesnar is currently on the books for WrestleMania. It's always possible that Taker could get sick or could sustain injury to take him out of the match, but it's what's planned. The report says that the plan was always for Lesnar to go against Taker or The Rock.

 

[Redrum]

According to a report from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Taker vs. Brock Lesnar is currently on the books for WrestleMania. It's always possible that Taker could get sick or could sustain injury to take him out of the match, but it's what's planned. The report says that the plan was always for Lesnar to go against Taker or The Rock.

I just hope its not takers last WM. I think they would be missing a huge opportunity to not have a up and comer end the streak. Imagine the boost Y2J got from saying " I am the first undisputed champions" and "only one to beat both the rock and stone cold in the same night" Imagine that x100 imo. Imagine a guy able to say "I am the one who ended the streak and the undertaker" He would be a legit threat to anyone at anytime.

 

[ASKane]

As the title says I am going to explain my reasons as for why the Undertaker should fight the Shield at Wrestlemania 30.

1. The Shield wrote off the Undertaker in April with an assault leading to a spear through the barricade and a powerbomb through the table that has wrote him off since April

2. They stole the line that WWE is their yard(they don't use it but commentarors do)

3. The commentators keep reminding us about it and they wouldn't do this unless there was something going to happen

4. The Undertaker has no other superstar(s) that he has an unresolved issue with. So WWE would need to create a feud when one is already there

5. The Shields split is already a talk of major debate in the IWC so they may only have this Wrestlemania to do it

6. The Undertakers body might not be able to take another 30 minute match so a 6 man tag which lessens the toll on the body as he would be in the ring less may help

7. The WWE could put together a team of legends which would be a big draw. My current thought is Taker, Rock and HBK. Taker and Rock have already been attacked by the Shield and depending on how is guest ref duties go the Shield could attack HBK.

8. The WWE could do Streak vs Split. Shield win they break the streak. Team Taker wins they no longer team together. It would be an epic way for the Shield to go out as a group and the fact Taker might not be pinned but still loses the streak adds a new dynamic

9. The Shield can put on Epic matches. TLC vs Hell No and Ryback & Raw/Battleground vs Cody Rhodes and Goldust

10. WWE could set up a year long feud between Undertaker and a partner who tries to screw him over, maybe the Rock. Undertaker is in control then the Rock its the Rock Bottom and a People's Elbow and walks away then a Shield member crawls for a pin and Taker kicks out, clears house and wins.

What are your thoughts on the potential for this match and if you don't think it takes place who does Taker face

 

[C.Hynes93]

If I'm being honest, I'd rather the Taker vs Lesnar at WM and hopefully they do go for it.

But the shield could be used as a tease, have them in the ring, the gong hits, taker comes out, then just before he's about to attack, we hear Lesnar's music, then all hell breaks loose