The problem with CM Punk, as I've said all along...

This is why Sly is awesome. And he's right by the way. It doesn't mean CM Punk sucks or anything, just that he looks like some regular average person.

Slyfoxcox is a rare delicacy, I'm glad you didn't blow it.

What part of Punk's tattooed, pierced appearance is average? Austin was 'larger than life' because of his antics, Bret's look, best described as peacocking.

Punk has just started becoming big. Had long hair, shaves his beard differently, give it a rest.
 
As long as he kicks some heel's ass I am pretty sure the children don't care how big he is.

That's why he is a top star regardless of his average appearance.
 
I'm not saying this story is a work to get Punk over as an everyman non-champion champion but it is certainly a possibility.

But I am saying that it could work as a segment on Raw:

- have Cole announce that Punk is running late for a show because his bags went missing
- have security stop him when he shows up and say that can't let him in without a pass
- have Johnny "I still refuse to learn how to spell his real last name" Ace cockily explain to Punk that he is sorry and can't let Punk in to the show if he doesn't have his pass. Also have him point out that Punk lost the belt with his bags which is totally not becoming of a champion.
- have Punk kick the security guards ass or have HHH let him get in or have him get in some other way
- put Punk in the main event against some non-threat
- have Punk's current real threat opponent come out and clock him with the belt, basically revealing that he was the one who stole his bags

Now I will get no response to my idea.
 
I assume you're being facetious.

A tiny bit. My thoughts on Announcers are that they are supposed to be there but you can ignore them they put the onus on the people in the middle of the ring. Cole doesn't make the WWE a cent really, the wrestlers do.
 
A tiny bit. My thoughts on Announcers are that they are supposed to be there but you can ignore them they put the onus on the people in the middle of the ring. Cole doesn't make the WWE a cent really, the wrestlers do.

I understand what you're saying, but it was Cole's job to get heel heat last year. He did his job, so I don't really think you can call him a failure for doing what he was supposed to do.
 
Thats what I have said about Punk,Bryan,Ryder all along. They don't look like Wrestlers and they are ruining the image of Pro-Wrestling worldwide.

I genuinely find this post hilarious. But not in a good way. I'm pretty sure pro-wrestling's image is already shit, and these guys aren't the ones making it worse. I sincerely hope professional wrestling isn't going for an image of steroid abuse and greasy long hair, because that's what it actually is.
 
Last night I met a dude who looks like he could be a professional wrestler. Turns out he works at Pet Smart.
 
....and Punk looks like the guy who would be working your local 7-11.

Scary. I can just see Punk hawking Slurpees to the strung out 17-year-olds on the video game machines at 3 in the morning.

C.M. in the A.M.


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Rocca, Rogers, Thesz and Samartino were hardly larger than life - they did OK.

Indeed. Sammartino and Thesz were popular because they weren't larger than life, but they could do larger than life things in between the ropes.

That wasn't for Gelgarin's sake, that was for the rest of you nerds.
 
You're joking right? Austin was every bit the super hero. Punk just looks like a common man.

Austin's character was larger than life NOT HIS LOOK.


Only to people who watch wrestling.

People who don't watch wrestling know who Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Cena are. They might even know who Undertaker, Jimmy Snuka, Big Show, Andre, etc. are. They don't know who CM Punk is.

You're completely missing the point.

Most casual fans are very aware of who HBK is, I haven't met a casual wrestling fan who DIDN'T know who HBK is, not one and any wrestling fan I knew was a big fan of watching HBK and a lot of that was because of DX.


:lmao:

All evidence proves you wrong.

People watch wrestling because its WWE, they aren't going to lose a bunch of fans because Cena isn't there. If Cena got a career ending injury today and could never wrestle again they aren't going to lose massive business. All they have to do is insert another dude into that spot and they're off to the races again.

They made CM Punk their top guy and now he's the top merchandise leader which is really where John Cena has made WWE its money in regards to his character, not his ability to get great ratings and buyrates. With WWE today its not the wrestlers that draw the people in its the machine behind it. Austin, Hogan, Rock were bigger than the WWE, Cena is not bigger than the WWE, if he left wrestling in 2 years he would be an afterthought and no one would give a shit about him.
 
How so? That IS the point of CM Punk. Kinda like how it was with Jeffy Hardy, as well.
It is the point of CM Punk. However, it's NOT the point of this thread. Thus Sanka really didn't have a good point at all.

Rocca, Rogers, Thesz and Samartino were hardly larger than life - they did OK.

Surely I don't have to point out the flaw in this post...

Austin's character was larger than life NOT HIS LOOK.
Yes, Austin's LOOK was larger than life as well. Everything about Austin was larger than life. Austin was a bonafide superhero.

Punk is not. That has nothing to do with Punk's skill or mic ability, but it is going to hamper him in his ability to get people to want to pay to watch him.

Most casual fans are very aware of who HBK is, I haven't met a casual wrestling fan who DIDN'T know who HBK is, not one and any wrestling fan I knew was a big fan of watching HBK and a lot of that was because of DX.
I think you should do a survey. Go out and randomly ask 100 people who Shawn Michaels is and see what they say. Then ask them if they know who Andre the Giant is.

My bet is more people will know the guy who was dead before HBK ever entered the main event.

People watch wrestling because its WWE, they aren't going to lose a bunch of fans because Cena isn't there.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Cena.

All they have to do is insert another dude into that spot and they're off to the races again.
Yeah, people keep saying this and they always seem to forget that one glaring bit of logic.

If it's really that easy, how come they just don't do it anyways? If it's really that easy to replicate a big moneymaker, why don't they just churn out 3 or 4 of them a year?

They made CM Punk their top guy
No, he made him their champion. There's a difference.

and now he's the top merchandise leader
No he's not. Why do people think that the sales of one shirt months ago means he's the top merchandise leader? Are people really this bereft of logic?

which is really where John Cena has made WWE its money in regards to his character, not his ability to get great ratings and buyrates.
Actually, that's not really true either. Cena does usually get good viewership for his segments, which the WWE then can parlay into more premium advertising. Furthermore, PPV revenue (not counting this year, since all buyrates have not been officially released) has stayed relatively stable, even despite the economic downturns in 2008 and this year. Finally, the Raw house show circuit does much better attendance than the Smackdown show, and you'd be foolish to think Cena is not a major reason for that.

But, again, we're not talking about Cena. I only mention this to help illustrate all the ways a top guy influences business. And if Punk cannot attract anyone other than wrestling fans who are already going to watch the show regardless, that's simply not going to be good enough to replace the fans who will quit watching the show because Punk doesn't appeal to them.

With WWE today its not the wrestlers that draw the people in its the machine behind it.
Correct, but only to an extent. A show with Cena, Punk, Orton and Big Show is going to do far better than a show headlined by Santino, R-Truth, Nahal and Kingston. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

Austin, Hogan, Rock were bigger than the WWE, Cena is not bigger than the WWE, if he left wrestling in 2 years he would be an afterthought and no one would give a shit about him.
Nah, that's not true, but again, we're not talking about Cena.
 

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