The *Official* John Cena Thread

[Kyphael]

Haven't seen his indy stuff so what I can judge of Cena is what he does in the WWE today. In fact, I don't think anyone will give a shit about what Cena could do in the independents come his Hall of Fame induction. As if someone Like Jr. would say "the man was a technical wizard in the indy's and then he came to the WWE..." so whether he had a good in-ring style in the indy's or not is irrelevant. Maybe he CAN wrestle a good match. Let me emphasize wrestle, because brawling is not wrestling. Let me also explain why I dislike Cena's style and may like Rock's style. It's been said a million times. Rock is one of a kind and there will never be anyone like him again. While Cena may be unique in his own right, he's still, nor will he ever be Rock. As for another famous brawler, Austin? The man could tell a story in that ring in an effective way Cena, in my opinion, cannot. Cena's supposed best matches are with over the hill veterans.

HBK vs Cena - WM 23?

HBK vs. Angle from WM 21 is better.

HBK vs Cena - That one RAW match that lasted an hour.

Ok, this one I will give was GREAT. These two really surprised me this one night.

Lashley vs Cena - GAB 07

Ok, two young lions and the top guys on their show at the time. Wind the clock back to 2000. You have The Rock, the charismatic young face of the company and another up and coming big main eventer, HHH. Judgment Day, 2000, they lock horns for the WWE title. HHH vs. Rock in an Iron Man in 2000? Better than Lashley vs. Cena - GAB 2007.

Orton vs Cena - SummerSlam 07

Again, two young lions and the top faces of their show. Again, wind the clock back to 2001. It's No Way Out. You have Rock, again, face of the company, Cena's role and another up and coming young main eventer in Kurt Angle. Rock vs. Angle - NWO 01? Better than Orton vs. Cena - Summerslam 07.

HHH vs Cena - NOC 08

HHH vs. Austin in a cage at No Way Out in 2001? ALSO BETTER.

I don't even need to touch Batista/Cena. the point is, Cena is good for today's standards but good enough just isn't good enough for me. I'd much rather watch Orton, Edge, Jericho, HHH and even an over the hill HBK or Taker wrestle than Cena's supposed wrestling magic. He's not as bad as Batista of course, a HUGE benefactor of the brand split and I give Cena props for working hard and loving the business but he's kind of arrogant. Why is he all over The Rock for moving on to acting and saying he never really loved the business? The only reason Cena is saying he'll never leave wrestling for acting is because he doesn't have the talent. In his interview he said "I did the Marine and people ask me when you're leaving." Really? What people? They must be morons. Anyone who's anybody in Hollywood that saw The Marine will never cast Cena in another movie again! lol It made jack shit at the box office because the acting sucked and the whole damn story blew chunks. So in general, good enough ain't good enough so I will never jump on the Cena bandwagon.

 

[TakeAdooKie]

In no way, shape, or form am I or have I ever been a Cena mark but when he is in the ring I am always compelled to watch. Many people try to compare him to the Rock or Hogan but the fact of the matter is that no matter how hard one tries, every wrestler is unique in their own way and can never be the next Rock, Hogan, HHH, ect.

Similarities in styles is common but they're never exactly the same, ever. Bottom line is if you see them on TV then they can wrestle - whether their good or not is another story. BTW, Am I the only one who absolutely can't stand it when Rock puts his arm behind his head when receiving a back suplex? I get that he may be worried about breaking his neck or something but that is part of the game. If you're scared to be injured then pro wrestling isn't the profession for you.

 

[Kyphael]

What are you saying? That The Rock shouldn't cushion his own fall and risk breaking his damn neck because it's "wrestling?" I thought it was "entertainment." Maybe if Stone Cold had put their arm behind his head whenever he got dropped on the back of his neck, he would still be wrestling today, eh? There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself in the ring. That's why you never heard of The Rock being sidelined with a broken neck or a muscle tear from 6 months to a year. Because he knew how to protect himself. In fact, I started watching wrestling in 1999 and I don't remember EVER hearing of The Rock ever being seriously injured. Same goes with Jericho. Both of them know how to put on great matches and still look after themselves. You don't have to kill yourself in the ring to put butts in seats. Well, Foley did but he didn't have the body so he needed that.

 

[Lil Wes]

What are you going on about? You're missing the point. The point was John Cena is the best wrestler in the business right now, and I said I'd put that 2 year list (considering that's when he broke through as the top worker) of good matches up against any wrestler in the company at the moment. So you rambling on and on about matches from 8 years ago in pointless.

So again I ask, if Cena is such a bad worker, why has he had so many good to great matches over the past 2 years, and who during that period has been better?

 

[Tastycles]

People who bash Cena for having a limited offense, will you please take the time to watch wrestling from the past. Hulk Hogan had a limited offense, and he is the greatest performer of all time. The point that he only does a few moves is beacause they are the moves that solicit the biggest reaction from the crowd. As wrestling isn't actually a sport, the best people are the ones that make the crowd care, and nobody does that better than Cena.

Cena was a boring, no selling rapper when he started, and now he is far and away the most popular and best performer that the WWE have. Look at the ratings before and after Survivor Series, and you can see the impact that Cena has on the crowd. My girlfriend knows nothing about wrestling, but she loves Cena. That is exactly the sort of crossover star that the WWE need.

Cena's matches are good, and the crowd always mark out for his big moves. To be honest, he actually does far more moves than people give him credit for in a standard match. People are far too harsh in this respect. Cena has good matches, and is the mot popular, most over, and biggest merch shifter the WWE have. He is an excellent professional wrestlenr.

My personal take is that I find his matches above average and his promos and style quite one dimensional. It doesn't matter what I think though, because, unlike the Czena Sux brigade, I can identify that he is the most priceless commodity in wrestling today, and if I was building a wrestling comany around anyone in the business today, it'd be him.

 

[bulldog76]

Everyone has a style they like and styles they don't. Cena's style isn't wrestling but neither is Jeff Hardy's, Rey Mysterio's or Rob Van Dam's. I actually give Cena credit for adding the diving leg-drop and the STFU. He does look like he's slowly adding more to his offense. Yeah, people have certain moves they work to get into the match, but that is because certain moves are associated with them (Triple H, HBK, Taker, Benjamin, Jeff, Rey..., they all have them).

Cena's match against Batista impressed me. Didn't think Batista could have a semi-decent match with someone not named Triple H or Undertaker. Cena's US title win over the Big Show at WM was a solid match for the opening of a show.

 

[justinsayne]

Haven't seen his indy stuff so what I can judge of Cena is what he does in the WWE today. In fact, I don't think anyone will give a shit about what Cena could do in the independents come his Hall of Fame induction. As if someone Like Jr. would say "the man was a technical wizard in the indy's and then he came to the WWE..." so whether he had a good in-ring style in the indy's or not is irrelevant. Maybe he CAN wrestle a good match. Let me emphasize wrestle, because brawling is not wrestling. Let me also explain why I dislike Cena's style and may like Rock's style. It's been said a million times. Rock is one of a kind and there will never be anyone like him again. While Cena may be unique in his own right, he's still, nor will he ever be Rock. As for another famous brawler, Austin? The man could tell a story in that ring in an effective way Cena, in my opinion, cannot. Cena's supposed best matches are with over the hill veterans.

HBK vs Cena - WM 23?

HBK vs. Angle from WM 21 is better.

HBK vs Cena - That one RAW match that lasted an hour.

Ok, this one I will give was GREAT. These two really surprised me this one night.

Lashley vs Cena - GAB 07

Ok, two young lions and the top guys on their show at the time. Wind the clock back to 2000. You have The Rock, the charismatic young face of the company and another up and coming big main eventer, HHH. Judgment Day, 2000, they lock horns for the WWE title. HHH vs. Rock in an Iron Man in 2000? Better than Lashley vs. Cena - GAB 2007.

Orton vs Cena - SummerSlam 07

Again, two young lions and the top faces of their show. Again, wind the clock back to 2001. It's No Way Out. You have Rock, again, face of the company, Cena's role and another up and coming young main eventer in Kurt Angle. Rock vs. Angle - NWO 01? Better than Orton vs. Cena - Summerslam 07.

HHH vs Cena - NOC 08

HHH vs. Austin in a cage at No Way Out in 2001? ALSO BETTER.

I don't even need to touch Batista/Cena. the point is, Cena is good for today's standards but good enough just isn't good enough for me. I'd much rather watch Orton, Edge, Jericho, HHH and even an over the hill HBK or Taker wrestle than Cena's supposed wrestling magic. He's not as bad as Batista of course, a HUGE benefactor of the brand split and I give Cena props for working hard and loving the business but he's kind of arrogant. Why is he all over The Rock for moving on to acting and saying he never really loved the business? The only reason Cena is saying he'll never leave wrestling for acting is because he doesn't have the talent. In his interview he said "I did the Marine and people ask me when you're leaving." Really? What people? They must be morons. Anyone who's anybody in Hollywood that saw The Marine will never cast Cena in another movie again! lol It made jack shit at the box office because the acting sucked and the whole damn story blew chunks. So in general, good enough ain't good enough so I will never jump on the Cena bandwagon.

One huge major flwa in your argument here, and that is that the matches you are comparing to the Cena matches are completly differant matches altogether, for fuck sake most of the matches you are using feature guys who are not even with the WWE anymore, and haven't been with the company since Cena even debuted, you've completely missed the whole fucking point

What are you saying? That The Rock shouldn't cushion his own fall and risk breaking his damn neck because it's "wrestling?" I thought it was "entertainment." Maybe if Stone Cold had put their arm behind his head whenever he got dropped on the back of his neck, he would still be wrestling today, eh?

Or maybe if Owen Hart know how to deliver a piledriver properly, Austin never would have broken his motherfucking neck in the first place

There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself in the ring. That's why you never heard of The Rock being sidelined with a broken neck or a muscle tear from 6 months to a year.

A.) Rock did have several long term injuries early in his career, and B.) he may not have been sidelined due to injuries while in his prime but how often was he really there, it seemed like every couple months he disappeared again to go shoot another fucking movie, now I have no problem with Rock leaving the buisness to go be a movie star, but at least Cena could balance his movies with his wrestling schedule

Because he knew how to protect himself. In fact, I started watching wrestling in 1999 and I don't remember EVER hearing of The Rock ever being seriously injured.

Then perhaps you should do a little fucking research, for fuck sake he takes about being out of action due to injuries in his mother fucking book for christ sake

Same goes with Jericho. Both of them know how to put on great matches and still look after themselves. You don't have to kill yourself in the ring to put butts in seats. Well, Foley did but he didn't have the body so he needed that.

Jericho left the business for several years, kinda hard to get hurt when you don't fuckign wrestle now isn't it

 

[Rated TKE]

cena is alot like hoagn, right place right time.

 

[Slyfox696]

HBK vs Cena - WM 23?

HBK vs. Angle from WM 21 is better.

HBK vs Cena - That one RAW match that lasted an hour.

Ok, this one I will give was GREAT. These two really surprised me this one night.

Lashley vs Cena - GAB 07

Ok, two young lions and the top guys on their show at the time. Wind the clock back to 2000. You have The Rock, the charismatic young face of the company and another up and coming big main eventer, HHH. Judgment Day, 2000, they lock horns for the WWE title. HHH vs. Rock in an Iron Man in 2000? Better than Lashley vs. Cena - GAB 2007.

Orton vs Cena - SummerSlam 07

Again, two young lions and the top faces of their show. Again, wind the clock back to 2001. It's No Way Out. You have Rock, again, face of the company, Cena's role and another up and coming young main eventer in Kurt Angle. Rock vs. Angle - NWO 01? Better than Orton vs. Cena - Summerslam 07.

HHH vs Cena - NOC 08

HHH vs. Austin in a cage at No Way Out in 2001? ALSO BETTER.

Wait, let me see if I understand this part of your argument correctly.

Your argument is that Cena isn't a great wrestler because you are arbitrarily picking out matches that Cena has worked, and comparing them with other matches that other guys have worked? Cena isn't good because his match vs. Orton at Summerslam wasn't as good (in your opinion) as Rock vs. Angle from a completely different PPV? Cena isn't good because his match with Lashley wasn't as good as HHH vs. Rock from a completely different PPV?

How in the fuck can you even PRETEND that makes sense? There is ZERO comparisons there, you're just randomly picking matches and placing them against other matches. Using your theory, Shawn Michaels is a terrible wrestler because his match against The Great Khali from Raw wasn't as good as Ricky Steambot vs. Randy Savage from Wrestlemania 3.

Maybe I'm just missing something, but I read your post TWICE, and can not, for the life of me, figure out what the hell you are talking about.

It made jack shit at the box office because the acting sucked and the whole damn story blew chunks.

When you say "made jack shit", what you REALLY mean is that it's the only movie that the WWE has ever produced to actually turn a profit, right?

 

[midusone]

I'll actually go on record as saying that I honestly despise Cena. With that being said I recently went to a WWE house show and the ME was Orton vs. Jericho vs. Cena. It was by far the best match of the night. I really felt like i was watching 3 of the best wrestlers of this age in the ring that night.

 

[Deus1138]

Put simply: of course he can. Questions like these make my head hurt. If Cena couldn't wrestle, he wouldn't be out there. His offense is limited because it makes his comebacks look more epic. Think of Hulk Hogan. His offense was just as limited but we've all heard the arguments about his work in Japan which is absolutely true. I've seen Cena's indy stuff and it's far from what you see today. Cena can wrestle but he's not booked that way. Do you really believe that he doesn't know other moves than that? Of course he can wrestle.

Good point. I agree. Your baby face can't have a dominating offense through the whole match. That's not dramatic. Your Hogan comparison was spot on. Every Hogan match was the same. He'd do alright for a little while, then he'd get his butt kicked for the most of the match, then at the end, he'd come back. It's basically the same plot as "The Passion of the Christ."

 

[shingi]

To a certain level he can wrestle no one ever complained that our beloved Hogan can't wrestle. Heck Cena is much better in the ring than him. He does have a limited move set but that is due to him being the companys top babyface. He gets dominated the whole match then hits the five moves and wins the match. There is a small amount of moves for maximum affect. And he has had some unbelivable matches so he may not be the best but can wrestle.

 

[TwistofRKO]

In amateur wrestling? Who knows?

In the WWE? Obviously yes.

Just because fans who think they are "purists" don't see his ability doesn't mean their opinion is actually relevant in reality. Bring up his SS match against Jericho, did we all know he'd win? Yes. Did he just sell the whole match? Basically. But that was his job in the match. He was to sell ring rust and fatigue, which he nailed near perfectly.

 

[Alex(Killer Of Dreams & Legends)]

Cena's matches are the most hyped matches so yea he can wrestle.... He is the comeback kid who always either wins in dramatic fashion or is cheated out of the win thats how he is booked to wrestle... You can not blame a guy for doing his job wich may only require 5 - 7 moves .... thats actually good if it only takes that many moves to get over on a crowd..

 

[OIL]

Just something I would like to point out. The wrestlers are told what moves they can do. They can work around it but they're still told. Remember Chris Harris? They told him what moves to do. Plus, the way he wrestles fits with his style. He's a brawler, right? So what traditional brawlers have you seen doing really techincal moves? They usually go for the high impact moves. They fight. He can wrestle. Otherwise he wouldn't be working for a wrestling company. Divas aside..

 

[stingerlegends]

Yes, John Cena can wrestle. With as many moves as I've ever seen from SCSA, The Rock, Hogan, Etc.

My personal feeling is that the majority of wrestling fans in this internet demographic (18-30ish) are still bitter that The Rock left, even if they don't admit to it, and they miss SCSA. They still haven't let go. All those points in favor of Cena are spot on, all the arguments against him to me seem tinged with more than a bit of bitterness. It wouldn't matter who was in Cena's spot, he would be hated by these people regardless. (Unless it was an Attitude Era star, I guess.) Cena WILL be talked about in the same sentence as Rock, SCSA, HBK, HHH, Hogan, Taker, Flair, and His Madness. B'lieve it.

 

[GameOver]

He can wrestle, it's just the same thing every match in pretty much the same order. Which is boring for alot of people, including me. That and his character is lame
but Hogans wrestling style was the same, Ric Flair was more or less the same too. They both wrestled virtually the same match every single time.

Even Bret Hart had a sequence that you knew what the moves following were going to be

Infact most main eventers have what i call Main Event 5 move syndrome, they just punch and kick and do a few odd moves to fill in between there handfull of typical moves then a finisher. The majority of fans are sheep who can't recall what happened a week ago so that style works especially kids.

In counclusion while he doesn't toally suck in ring anymore, as a character he totally sucks!!!!

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Well, if he isnt wrestling, then what the fuck is he doing out in the ring?? Dancing?? ice skating??

Of course he can wrestle. He does it every time he goes into the ring. and dont try to give me that shit about "moves" and "technical wrestling". "Technical" is merely a style, like brawling is a style of "WRESTLING". So regardless of what STYLE you work, its still wrestling. Pro wrestling.

fuck, you would think people had never played SMackdown Vs Raw 2008...

 

[Rated R SuperFan]

John Cena is a Great mouthpiece and a good not great worker He has what I call "Hitman" syndrom meaning he uses the same moves to finish his matches night in and night out so if you've seen one Cena match you have seen them all . Don't get me wrong Cena is entertaining is small doses very small doses but I don't think he is a wrestler No , much like Hulk Hogan he is an attraction not a wrestler . a Great attraction not a great wrestler ALL the power in the world to him for doing what he is doing but he isn't as good wrestler period ....

That's My Opinion I Don't Give A F*** About Yours !!!!

 

[Fizzy]

Cena can wrestle, and very well. He has had a ton of great matches in the past few years. If he could not wrestle he would not be in the business, nor would he be the biggest star int he business right now.

Wrestling in WWE has absolutely nothing to do with actual wrestling skill. If that were the case, Benoit would have had many more titles, and Benjamen would be at the top right now. He is over, and will be remembered as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time at the end of his career. That makes him a good wrestler, just as it did for Stone Cold, Hogan ETC. They were no better at technical wrestling then Cena, yet are regarded as the top 2 wrestlers in the history of WWE.

In short yes Cena can wrestle. He can wrestle better then most in the world. That's why he is the top player in the number 1 company in the world.

 

[rowdy ruben]

hey can but hes no bret hart or jerciho. he can look really good when hes up against some like triple h nd hbk. hes good but not one of the best

 

[Ryanhitman316]

When I think about if Cena can wrestle...I think about his debut match with Kurt Angle. When you look back at that match sometimes you think to yourself how come he doesn't perform the same moves as he did when he 1st debut? I will say he's ok but not the best

 

[Softcore McLimpdick]

Cena does the same 4 moves over and over. He is not a good wrestler by any means.

 

[BlitzSage]

He's okay. I actually think he's pretty good. He's got good ring presence. He might not be the best in the classic definition of the word, but who is really? Not a great wrestler, but a great performer - meaning he can perform the moves well. For instance, someone like HBK, I don't think of them as great wrestlers, but in-ring performance they can pull-off the moves really good, tell their story, get their characters across. Anytime I see a wrestler talk about how good they can wrestle (AKA Kurt Angle) it just gets on my nerves. You're a performer! I don't care if you're an Olympic champ or can do MMA. I watch wrestling for the performance!

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Cena does the same 4 moves over and over. He is not a good wrestler by any means.

so does...every wrestler?? they are called spots. they happen in every match, and everyone does them. signature spots m'boy. The number of moves someone does has fuck all to do with if they are a good wrestler, and everyone who thinks it does, doesnt know shit about what is going on out there, and are true marks. By beliving that, you have shown the Fed's ability to manipulate what you think when they rave about technical wrestlers. pretty simple really.