StopFantasyBooking
Occasional Pre-Show
A few weeks ago it was Vince McMahon + others in a gauntlet match. It took 3 dudes all hitting their finishers, AND THEN BATISTA to keep him down. It was ridiculous.
The *Official* John Cena Thread
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Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I guess you didn't understand what Cena was doing. He did sell those three guys finishers because if he didn't, he would have came at McMahon and Batista with a full head of steam. It made Batista get more heat for beating up on a Cena who had been decimated but still refused to give up. What good would it have been to have Cena lose the first time and have Batista come out there?
I have a lot of respect for John Cena, he eats, sleeps and breathes wrestling. He works every Raw, every PPV and most Raw house shows, as well as several dark matches.
On top of all of that he's found the time to star in movies and make records.
He could walk out of WWE tommorow without a problem, he's a millionaire already and he would make plenty of money making movies.
But he stays, he gets thrown around a wrestling ring 4 times a week because he love it.
Is he perfect? No. Are there better wrestlers? Yes. Is there anyone who works harder for his company in wrestling? Hmmm, not many.
I have to be honest and say he isn't my favourite wrestler. Orton, Edge, Punk, HBK, Taker, Angle, Styles, Wolfe would all be ahead of him but as I said respect the hell out of the guy.
If it were up to me I'd tell him to loosen up and be a bit more 'real' in his promo's as they sometimes come across a bit like a movie monologue, but if I were building the perfect wrestling roster, he'd be one of the first names on the list.
On top of all of that he's found the time to star in movies and make records.
He could walk out of WWE tommorow without a problem, he's a millionaire already and he would make plenty of money making movies.
But he stays, he gets thrown around a wrestling ring 4 times a week because he love it.
Is he perfect? No. Are there better wrestlers? Yes. Is there anyone who works harder for his company in wrestling? Hmmm, not many.
I have to be honest and say he isn't my favourite wrestler. Orton, Edge, Punk, HBK, Taker, Angle, Styles, Wolfe would all be ahead of him but as I said respect the hell out of the guy.
If it were up to me I'd tell him to loosen up and be a bit more 'real' in his promo's as they sometimes come across a bit like a movie monologue, but if I were building the perfect wrestling roster, he'd be one of the first names on the list.
heres my whole honst opinion on john cena...its just fun to boo him...most cheer him his move set is obvious but implented very well which makes awesome ring psychology and teases the fans...and its good to boo the good guy for once...at wrestlemania ill cheer him cause cena hit a nerve but overall hes just fun to boo i have nothing against him he is acually pretty decent in my opinion
Undying777
Occasional Pre-Show
LOL. ok maybe this is based on one's own opinion but IMO Cena has a long way to go in the acting department. He is a B movie actor at best. At this time I don't think he would make it big in Hollywood. But the potential is there.
Rammsteinerteen
Getting Noticed By Management
I respect him as a person, but he always comes out and says the saem thing. "I let you fans down..." or "I WILL GET BACK MY WWE CHAMPION!" it's boring. Hes the reason why midcarders aren't getting anytime for real matches. Also, he's boring in the ring, it's like he doesn't know any other moves besides the Attitude Adjustment, STF, sidewalk slam, five knuckle shuffle, punches, shoulder blocks. I only remember him doing that. I hate how he said that he made the WWE fans believe. BEVIEVE WHAT? Believe that you take the opportunities from people like Christian, Shelton Benjamin? Thats why I don't like him.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
How exactly is he the reason why midcarders don't get enough time for matches? Midcarders have plenty of time for matches. Cena is not on for about twenty minutes every show. So what he if only does those moves? He's great at telling a story in the ring and most of the time that is all you need and he does it better than anybody else. What opportunities has he taken away from Benjamin or Christian? Name some.
wwefan4lyfe
Dark Match Winner
john cena is very charasmatic,entertaining and is a role model to kids so yes he should be the face of the wwe but to get back on track here the guy just simply cant wrestle and thats why he gets booed..do u notice how when he makes his entrance he gets a huge ovation but as soon as he starts to wrestle he gets booed?..that because people and kids love john cena because hes entertaining but then when he starts to wrestle they boo him because they realize he isnt that great of a wrestler,think about it his basic moves he does is the running shoulder blocks he does,that back twisting back suplex thing hes does,then 5 knuckle shuffle(stupid move btw),the attitude adjustment and the stfu,so he has fairly decent amount of moves but he uses them the same ways all the time,what i mean is that anytime john cena wrestles you will know how his match is gonna go down..heres a basic layout of a john cena match..cena starts off getting pummeled half the match all of sudden his opponenet makes a mistake,john cena bounces off rope with a shoulder block then he bounces off the opposite rope with another shoulder block then his opponent stands up and cena hits him with his back twisting suplex,cena then does the u cant see me crap then he hits the 5 knuckle shuffle and after that he hits the attitude adjustment and then gets the 1-2-3.....cena is a lot like hogan was in his day...both very popular,both role models to kids,both was the face of the wwe,but in the end they both had a limited amount of moves they did in the ring and all of their matches were very predictable
Sharpshooter51
Dark Match Winner
Cena's moveset isn't as limited as the OMG 5 Moves of Doom....
Cena's move set:
Finishers:
STF
Attitude Adjustment
Signature Moves:
5 Knuckle Shuffle
Proto-bomb
Other moves:
Throwback
Shoulder block
DDT
Fisherman Suplex
Top Rope Leg drop
Delayed Vertical Suplex
Hip Toss
You can see the wikipedia move list of cena here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cena#In_wrestling
John Cena is the champ, once again.
Last night at Wrestlemania, John Cena defeated Batista in a pretty decent match to recapture the WWE title. During the match, he took a stiff DDT and appeared to get legitimately injured. Thankfully, he was able to finish the match, so it doesn't appear that any serious damage was done.
Is anyone happy that he's recaptured the title? Is anyone disappointed? Since this is the OFFICIAL John Cena thread, let's talk about it, people!
Last night at Wrestlemania, John Cena defeated Batista in a pretty decent match to recapture the WWE title. During the match, he took a stiff DDT and appeared to get legitimately injured. Thankfully, he was able to finish the match, so it doesn't appear that any serious damage was done.
Is anyone happy that he's recaptured the title? Is anyone disappointed? Since this is the OFFICIAL John Cena thread, let's talk about it, people!
Twiztid Rodimus
Pre-Show Stalwart
Probrably the closest response that matches the way I feel perfectly.
As a wrestler, he's given ALOT in a short time. He IS the work horse of the WWE. The crowds whipping boy in some cities (And in almost all places to some) And adored at the same time.
The emotional rollercoaster he has to go through must be a HUGE stress in ways we couldnt even fathom. Look at his face during his TLC win against Edge, He looked genuinely emotional by the response of the crowd.
And you could use another example, he literal thrashing by the crowd at the 2nd one night stand against RVD. This was a moment in wrestling I refuse to forget.
He is one of, If not the hardest working wrestlers of the past close to 10 years when it comes to those who debuted from 2000 to now. And his respect is there from me, And should be from everyone, Just on ethics alone.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
First, I must throw it out there that I am no Cena fan. Am I happy he is champ again? No. Simply because I don't find him to be a good/entertaining wrestler. But at this point in time, he is without a doubt their biggest draw, and you have to respect that.
So, I'm not happy that he is champ, but I thought the way he won it was amazing. Was it a great match? No, but it was better than I thought it would be. But I'm not talking about the match itself.
I am talking about the way he reacted to the entire freaking stadium booing the S**T out of him. He handled it in the best, most amazing way possible; he ate it up. He played it up. I loved it. Especially after the match, when he posed (with an AMAZINGly fake smile) with a bunch of guys wearing "We Hate Cena" shirts. He played right into the crowds boos. He was basically giving everyone who was booing him the middle finger, and telling his fans he's here to stay.
I usually bag on Cena in just about every article pertaining to the man. But this was awesome. The way he treated the people who were hating on him showed me that SOMEDAY, this guy could make a decent heel turn. Now, I know a lot of you dopes on this forum are going to say it should happen now, now, NOW like everything else you want via instant gratification...but that's not happening. He's the face of the company that is pandering to children, and he's their superhero.
So, I guess what I am getting at is that No, I don't want him as champ, but that's nothing new. However, he showed some attitude last night in the face of hostile crowd, and I loved every second of it. If you dislike and disrespect him as a wrestler, that's one thing. But he took his heat like a man last night, and I think that is just awesome.
So, I'm not happy that he is champ, but I thought the way he won it was amazing. Was it a great match? No, but it was better than I thought it would be. But I'm not talking about the match itself.
I am talking about the way he reacted to the entire freaking stadium booing the S**T out of him. He handled it in the best, most amazing way possible; he ate it up. He played it up. I loved it. Especially after the match, when he posed (with an AMAZINGly fake smile) with a bunch of guys wearing "We Hate Cena" shirts. He played right into the crowds boos. He was basically giving everyone who was booing him the middle finger, and telling his fans he's here to stay.
I usually bag on Cena in just about every article pertaining to the man. But this was awesome. The way he treated the people who were hating on him showed me that SOMEDAY, this guy could make a decent heel turn. Now, I know a lot of you dopes on this forum are going to say it should happen now, now, NOW like everything else you want via instant gratification...but that's not happening. He's the face of the company that is pandering to children, and he's their superhero.
So, I guess what I am getting at is that No, I don't want him as champ, but that's nothing new. However, he showed some attitude last night in the face of hostile crowd, and I loved every second of it. If you dislike and disrespect him as a wrestler, that's one thing. But he took his heat like a man last night, and I think that is just awesome.
LitasRevenge79
Mrs. John Constantine
I'm not always big on Cena. But he does take his heat like a true stud. Not many people can do that without flinching. I admit, and respect him for that. It took gonads the size of new york to go up to that section of people in those WE HATE CENA shirts and stand up to them after he won. Heck, I'd have just walked off if that were me. I think I do admire him rolling with the punches. Maybe in a way, that could be why he and Batista were facing off, because we've heard so many stories about Batista supposedly backstage really giving a crap what people think about him. I really am digging this angle and would be sad if this were the end of it. I really thought that was a pretty decent match last night.
It's very simple actually, the reason people don't like him is because he's perfect and has the perfect life. Top WWE guy, makes a lot of money and probably lives in a mansion, has that pretty boy look the girls are attracted to, role model to the little kids, always being pushed to the moon, multiple WWE title reigns, main evented wrestlemania like a zillion times, just got married, sucessiful at music and has stared in multiple movies, made to look like superman who can beat anyone. Try and find a flaw in that, he's basically living the life
The average fan can never relate to this, REAL life people are not perfect, we all have our own issues and problems and then when we look at this guy, we instantly get turned off because he's made to look like he's above us in every way. I've hated cena for a long time but I never knew why until I really started thinking about it and this is what I got
anyone else agree???
The average fan can never relate to this, REAL life people are not perfect, we all have our own issues and problems and then when we look at this guy, we instantly get turned off because he's made to look like he's above us in every way. I've hated cena for a long time but I never knew why until I really started thinking about it and this is what I got
anyone else agree???
The average fan doesn't relate to John Cena? I seemed to hear the entire stadium yesterday at Wrestlemania 26 relate with him. They fucking loved him.
People who don't like John Cena fall into two categories, really:
1) People who just don't care for his style of work.
Alright, I can dig. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I hate Benjamin because I view any wrestler that just jumps around all day as shit. Others love the stupid fuck.
2) People who hate because they think it's cool.
They read on here "Oh, what? Cena's not cool? Yeah! Cena's not cool!" and run around yelling about 5 moves and Superman and shit. Not realizing that many top tier wrestlers have a 5 move routine they run through at the end of a match, that any top face in the wrestling community is built as a Superman that can rise against all odds. HBK has the kip up, Taker sits up, Triple H hits the Spinebuster and suddenly he's a new man. That's why we love the faces. They can never be put down.
What gets me the most is when people think that they're hurting Cena by getting front row seats and using their camera position to deride him on live TV. Not only is Cena laughing as you make a fool out of yourself and ruin the PPV for the children (and fellow fans) all around you, you were drawn to pay for a ticket and waste 3 hours of your life at a WWE event because of him. If that's not the definition of a draw, I don't know what is.
As for the real reason people hate John Cena, it's not your reason at all. People love outlandish characters on TV all of the time. People are emotionally attached to the cast of 24. The main character of that is a fucking super agent that can kill people by twisting his legs a certain way. He repeatedly saves the world in, you know, 24 hours.
I outlined the "real reasons" people hate John Cena, if there even is such a thing, above. Either people just plain don't like his style of wrestling, or they think it's cool to hate on him. You can tell the difference when people stick to "I know he's great and does his job, I just don't like his wrestling style" as opposed to "5 moves!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?!"
People who don't like John Cena fall into two categories, really:
1) People who just don't care for his style of work.
Alright, I can dig. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I hate Benjamin because I view any wrestler that just jumps around all day as shit. Others love the stupid fuck.
2) People who hate because they think it's cool.
They read on here "Oh, what? Cena's not cool? Yeah! Cena's not cool!" and run around yelling about 5 moves and Superman and shit. Not realizing that many top tier wrestlers have a 5 move routine they run through at the end of a match, that any top face in the wrestling community is built as a Superman that can rise against all odds. HBK has the kip up, Taker sits up, Triple H hits the Spinebuster and suddenly he's a new man. That's why we love the faces. They can never be put down.
What gets me the most is when people think that they're hurting Cena by getting front row seats and using their camera position to deride him on live TV. Not only is Cena laughing as you make a fool out of yourself and ruin the PPV for the children (and fellow fans) all around you, you were drawn to pay for a ticket and waste 3 hours of your life at a WWE event because of him. If that's not the definition of a draw, I don't know what is.
As for the real reason people hate John Cena, it's not your reason at all. People love outlandish characters on TV all of the time. People are emotionally attached to the cast of 24. The main character of that is a fucking super agent that can kill people by twisting his legs a certain way. He repeatedly saves the world in, you know, 24 hours.
I outlined the "real reasons" people hate John Cena, if there even is such a thing, above. Either people just plain don't like his style of wrestling, or they think it's cool to hate on him. You can tell the difference when people stick to "I know he's great and does his job, I just don't like his wrestling style" as opposed to "5 moves!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?!"
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
The reason why we don't like Cena is because we were too used to top guys who were straight out badass.
Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Undertaker, The Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle
These guys carried WWE(F) for a long time and they are badasses. They are tough, they never went on the whole "Man I love my fans" sharade. It wasn't their schtick.
Now after this line of top guys comes Cena with all of his merchandise shoved down our throats, his lack of charisma, lack of mic skills. Don't get me wrong, the charisma and mic skills he has right now will do wonders for a mid-card guy - not the top of the damn mountain.
The people didn't choose Cena to be their top guy. Vince did and we didn't like it.
Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Undertaker, The Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle
These guys carried WWE(F) for a long time and they are badasses. They are tough, they never went on the whole "Man I love my fans" sharade. It wasn't their schtick.
Now after this line of top guys comes Cena with all of his merchandise shoved down our throats, his lack of charisma, lack of mic skills. Don't get me wrong, the charisma and mic skills he has right now will do wonders for a mid-card guy - not the top of the damn mountain.
The people didn't choose Cena to be their top guy. Vince did and we didn't like it.
I don't think anyone has ever given different reasons than you just did. The only thing that makes Cena a face is that it's a PG era.
That said, I do find it funny that every time Cena's music plays, he gets the biggest pop of the night. It's only after fans have a non-impulsive moment that they think to boo the guy. It's almost as if fans boo him because they think it's cool.
Personally - my biggest problem with Cena was on display last night. The guy took two Batista bombs ... including one off the top rope that should have been devastating. Moments later, he gets Batista to tap to the STF(U), and suddenly he's jumping around the ring like nothing happened! Could he have at least sold it like the match took SOMETHING out of him!?
That said, I do find it funny that every time Cena's music plays, he gets the biggest pop of the night. It's only after fans have a non-impulsive moment that they think to boo the guy. It's almost as if fans boo him because they think it's cool.
Personally - my biggest problem with Cena was on display last night. The guy took two Batista bombs ... including one off the top rope that should have been devastating. Moments later, he gets Batista to tap to the STF(U), and suddenly he's jumping around the ring like nothing happened! Could he have at least sold it like the match took SOMETHING out of him!?
trendkiller
The Voice of Reason
Nnnnnno.
I think it'd be fair to say that this is why YOU "hate" him, but that's not the same as thereby concluding that it's the same for everyone else. Quite juvenile of you, the world doesn't revolve around you
(Just kidding bruddah!)I guess it's something that can add fuel to the fire, but at least for me it's a matter of him wrestling a style that doesn't particularly entertain me, his character is so stale you could use it to mass-produce penicillin and his corny, child-pandering antics are a blow in the face to me - who was a fan of his when he did the whole rapper gig.
Nadeem Ahmad
Pre-Show Stalwart
He can not back up everything that he says. For example, he would say things about going to Wrestlemania and taking "his" title. He lost it multiple times really quickly so that time when he had the reign of almost a year seemed not as recent. Also, he lived a lifestyle of rap or at least promoted thugs and hip-hop which was about violence and the streets. It sounded hypocritical to me but then again he was merely portraying a character. Personally I thought he was splendid in the ring and deserved the pushes. I just did not care as much for the gimmicks.
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
Another good reason is him winning titles all the time.
Face it, he doesn't need a World Title. He's popular as shit. Why give him the strap again? He's a 9 time World Champion. Back in the day 3 times was amazing. Freaking Hogan had it like six times.
There's just something about Cena that annoys people.
Face it, he doesn't need a World Title. He's popular as shit. Why give him the strap again? He's a 9 time World Champion. Back in the day 3 times was amazing. Freaking Hogan had it like six times.
There's just something about Cena that annoys people.
The reason that I hate him is not because he is perfect. I hate him because he does not tell a story in the ring. He goes out and does the same 5 moves and that's it. They build him up by letting him get beat down. Then he comes back being violent and they say, "We've never seen this side of Cena before." That is how they try to change him and make him a tough guy.
I also don't like him because they keep giving him the strap for long runs. He sells merchandise and that's why they give him the belt. I don't like it when they do that with anyone. Occassionally, they need to move people to the mid-card and let them build up other people. They never seem to do that with Cena.
I also don't like him because they keep giving him the strap for long runs. He sells merchandise and that's why they give him the belt. I don't like it when they do that with anyone. Occassionally, they need to move people to the mid-card and let them build up other people. They never seem to do that with Cena.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
I think what you're talking about is jealousy, no? That's sure what it sounds like.
I don't resent him for what he has. I presume he's worked hard to get it, so all the power to him.
I've always liked the man. It seems to me that he's earned it. At any rate, I'm not jealous of people who have more than the average person.
Not at all actually.
Personally the only reason I don't like John Cena is because of the character, the "never back down never quit" thing, certainly it's the proper role model catchphrase for a kid, giving them hope and the ability to take a step towards the tougher things in life, and hopefully make it through it.
But it's just the way WWE portrays him, it's not that he's constantly having the title, or living the life behind the gimmick, cause it's exactly the same thing a guy like Triple H does, now Triple H isn't basically undefeatable, but he's a feature to beat, and I still like Triple H, because his gimmick and his character is much more entertaining to watch, both as a heel, amazing heel, and as a face who can basically have the whole freaking crowd chanting his name if he tried.
So it's not about the man behind the gimmick, it's the gimmick itself, the damn merchandise show-off all the time and everything, another reason why I started to like Batista again, because he's not the guy to show off merchandises that he's trying to sell.
So besides the gimmick, I actually respect and like John Cena a lot, especially because of stuff that you obviously hate him for, he's a role model, thats a good thing, cause he seems like the guy you'd look up to definitely, and he has main evented Wrestlemania a lot of times, but he goes out there every night, and that's what makes me accept him, because he puts on a show no matter how many haters there is in the building.
Personally the only reason I don't like John Cena is because of the character, the "never back down never quit" thing, certainly it's the proper role model catchphrase for a kid, giving them hope and the ability to take a step towards the tougher things in life, and hopefully make it through it.
But it's just the way WWE portrays him, it's not that he's constantly having the title, or living the life behind the gimmick, cause it's exactly the same thing a guy like Triple H does, now Triple H isn't basically undefeatable, but he's a feature to beat, and I still like Triple H, because his gimmick and his character is much more entertaining to watch, both as a heel, amazing heel, and as a face who can basically have the whole freaking crowd chanting his name if he tried.
So it's not about the man behind the gimmick, it's the gimmick itself, the damn merchandise show-off all the time and everything, another reason why I started to like Batista again, because he's not the guy to show off merchandises that he's trying to sell.
So besides the gimmick, I actually respect and like John Cena a lot, especially because of stuff that you obviously hate him for, he's a role model, thats a good thing, cause he seems like the guy you'd look up to definitely, and he has main evented Wrestlemania a lot of times, but he goes out there every night, and that's what makes me accept him, because he puts on a show no matter how many haters there is in the building.
Are you serious? We, normal, every day people are jealous of Cena? Way to make such a 3rd grade insult. Try to make a better effort next time.
The real reason I believe most people don't like Cena is the way he's crammed down our throats, just like last night at Wrestlemania. Batista had just won the title a month ago, spends 10 minutes beating up Cena, only for superman to basically no sell a top rope Batista Bomb, put him in the STF, and win the match in all about 30 seconds. Now we'll get another 4-5 months of "THE CHAMP IS HERE" promos on Raw (which really need to friggin stop) and Cena burying up and coming mid-carders (since there isn't a top heel on Raw to challenge Cena for the title).
That's why most of the IWC doesn't like Cena. Yes he may have a great work ethic, and yes he may be good on the mic, but he's constantly pushed down our throats and is boring as a rock in the ring.
Hmmm you know i think u could be right here. For years now ive often wondered why ive never been able to like john cena. Ive had virtually no problem in 20 years of watchin wrestling in gettin behind the stars that have been pushed to the top of the wwe and even the ones i wasnt totally into for example bret hart (i was always a huge fan of HBK over hart) i would still have no problem watchin their matches and following their storylines. Cena is different tho i will intentionally go out of my way to miss any cena time on tv and cant stand ppvs that have him as the main event. I cant knock his determination its plain to see he tries hard for the fans and even tho hes far from being the greatest wrestler there has certainly been many worse than him before in main events. I think youre right that its that i cannot relate to him being one of 'us' whatsoever tho thats what it seems is being pushed onto us. He salutes the army as tho hes one of them all the time but people on here have picked up that in doin so is disrespecting them. Also with the older rap gimmick he had being a brit i have nothing in common with that street white rapper attitude whatsoever so theres just nothing about the cena character i have ever liked even as a heel i couldnt relate to him in any way.
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