The Mosh Pit: The Official Metal Thread

[Starkist]

I was never a fan of them in my teens. When my life headed south, in more way than one, I started to get into them. They helped me cope with my darkened past as I interrupted the lyrics into my own meaning. My all time favorite Disturbed song is Overburdened. Such meaning to me.

It is funny, when I was at the concert with my girlfriend who does not listen to Metal, I told her the key thing with Metal is interrupting it however you want too regardless of the true meaning of the song is. Man, I love Metal music.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Speaking of Tool and APC... Puscifer has new music coming out!

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Puscifer have polished off their third full-length album, titled Money Shot, and have set an Oct. 30 street date for the disc.

http://loudwire.com/puscifer-new-album-money-shot-grand-canyon-video/

 

[M]

You got me confused Starkist hahah I love the ocean and didn't like caligulas horse. I agree on the singer, the growly stuff gets ridiculous at times, but I prefer it over the instrumental versions. Replace the singer with a non screaming Daniel Tompkins and it'd be golden.

 

[NSL]

You didn't like The Ocean, M?

I am not a fan either. I have tried and tried but cannot do it.

Saw Slipknot, Lamb of God, Bullet For My Valentine and Motionless In White this past saturday. Show was epic. Fucking epic. Killpop live was beautiful along AOV.

I'm sorry.

The rest of the show must have been pretty fuckin' sweet though.

 

[Starkist]

I'm sorry.

The rest of the show must have been pretty fuckin' sweet though.

Surprisingly MIW was decent. I am glad they only played for 30 minutes though. The rest of the show was awesome for sure.

Sorry M, I misread your post on who you did not like. I never heard of the other bands so I cannot comment on them.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I watched a video a while back of Motionless in White... I didn't make it more than a minute in before I closed it.

 

[Starkist]

Lol I have never watched their videos. I probably never will.

Speaking of videos what are everyones favorite videos? Myself, I really like Tool's Sober video. The clay animation was really cool plus it it one weird video.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Videos were always one of those things or me that I just never "got" the appeal of. I mean, some are cool — Tool for example — but generally I just want to hear the song, not see bad acting/models. The more nonsense that's happening in a video, the less I tend to care about it.

Call me old school, but the best videos are live footage that's shot well and then re-touched and manipulated to fit the speed of the actual song.

Caligula's Horse's "A Gift to Afterthought" is like a prime example (and one I just watched).

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I thought Ghost's video for "Secular Haze" was great too, because it was designed to appear like a made-for-TV sermon.

 

[Alex]

Hey IDR minus Killswitch Engage are there any other metalcore bands you like?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

You can get the new Lamb of God for $3.99 on Amazon today only:

http://lamb-of-god.us10.list-manage...ff4f674ed67c8d04ca&id=6aea0fc922&e=5888a4cd48

 

[Starkist]

Sweet deal as I have yet to hear the entire album in full.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

I watched a video a while back of Motionless in White... I didn't make it more than a minute in before I closed it.

The new singer isn't all that great... OLD M.I.W is top notch though.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Sweet deal as I have yet to hear the entire album in full.

Whole thing is on Spotify if you wanna listen before you buy.

The new singer isn't all that great... OLD M.I.W is top notch though.

Post something you think is worth listening to. Remember though, you're talking to someone who, for the most part, vehemently despises "metalcore".

One of Ghost's nameless ghouls nailed it in a recent interview:

"I don't want to declare a war but I really hope that what we can change, or what we can help change, is the climate of the rock music scene because I am so gravely tired of this sentence for a name, emo, metalcore crap that has been infesting the music scene for the last 20 years. I hate it with all my fucking heart, and if we can in any way aid the music scene towards pushing towards something new or something different, I would be extremely happy. That is as far as my war instinct goes, I guess."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gh...panies-in-order-to-break-through-the-clutter/

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For me, metalcore exists for one-upsmanship. Who can have a longer, harder, more "brutal" breakdown than the last, etc. It's like a giant dick-measuring contest, and the music just gets worse and worse. Lyrically, musically, song-writing, etc. all just gets less and less talented and more and more cloned.

I'll never tell anyone what to listen to, and I don't believe in the concept of "bad music" (no such thing — there is only music you enjoy and music you don't), but for me, metalcore is music I don't enjoy, at all.

 

[Starkist]

It is why bands stray away from such as All That Remains and Trivium. They are more metal sounding now. But to me, the millions different generes of metal is annoying. It should either be Heavy Metal, Hardcore and Rock. That is it. I do not care about something being deathcore, black metal, death metal or whatever absurd name people can think of. Shit just look at YouTube comments of people arguing over what type of metal Band X. Shit is annoying.

Motionless In White is not bad. Creatures is a good song and there cover of Rob Zombies Dragula is good too.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Labels are important. It's how we compartmentalize and classify to identify things in life. I agree there are probably far to many variations for the sake of practicality, but practically speaking we need more than just three genres.

"Rock" alone would be like calling every electronic device, regardless of it's function, "computer". True in the basest sense, but of little use if you're actually trying to find something more specific to listen to in your music service of choice.

Any sub-set of -core for me is almost certain to hit the "no thanks" pile. Hardcore, deathcore, metalcore, whatever-core. I'm just not into it.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Whole thing is on Spotify if you wanna listen before you buy.



Post something you think is worth listening to. Remember though, you're talking to someone who, for the most part, vehemently despises "metalcore".

One of Ghost's nameless ghouls nailed it in a recent interview:



http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gh...panies-in-order-to-break-through-the-clutter/

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For me, metalcore exists for one-upsmanship. Who can have a longer, harder, more "brutal" breakdown than the last, etc. It's like a giant dick-measuring contest, and the music just gets worse and worse. Lyrically, musically, song-writing, etc. all just gets less and less talented and more and more cloned.

I'll never tell anyone what to listen to, and I don't believe in the concept of "bad music" (no such thing — there is only music you enjoy and music you don't), but for me, metalcore is music I don't enjoy, at all.

Here's a few:

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And scratch the new singer part.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Not for me. Either one.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Not for me. Either one.

Fair enough. It's not for everyone.

 

[M]

I mainly dislike the names of the "genres" like metalcore and hardcore, it feels a bit like the one upsmanship type of thing IDR talked about, who came up with that naming scheme anyway?

To me there's really only 5 genres sprouting from rock; punk rock, heavy metal, death metal, screamo (or "insert your own name here for those bands"), and progressive stuff.
Punk is clear as to what it is (think sex pistols and the early offspring stuff).
Heavy metal is looser in it's definition but still basically "shit that's heavier than what you'd put on the commercial rock radio station but mainly without screams or growls".
Death metal is the step after heavy metal, deeper and heavier, while focusing on more violent themes and harsher vocals to emphasise them. Black metal is a subset of this, and the death genre is as heavy as you can get.
Screamo was originally a subset of death, but has since redefined itself as a sort of bridge between heavy and death while keeping the commercial elements of rock. This encompasses almost any "genre" that ends in a -core.
Progressive stuff is pretty much stuff that attempts to go beyond defined genres in a musical way to create either a new approach to rhythm and/or melody, often using musical theory as a guideline.

Pretty much how I define what a band's genre is, is by looking at those definitions and finding the one or two ones that would cover the band in a general case, for example I'd define Bullet for my Valentine as "heavy metal with screamo influences" whilst a band like Death before the Individual Thought Patterns album would be generally death metal, but after that album included progressive elements in most of their work. I don't think there's actually that many bands that defy the layout I have in the exact same way to be able to call anything else a set genre.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Yeah, like I said above, no such thing as bad music. Just music you like and music you don't. It's not for me, but I'm sure it's for a lot of folks. If you dig it, awesome.

Music is all about connecting with the individual. Whatever moves you is successful in my eyes.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I mainly dislike the names of the "genres" like metalcore and hardcore, it feels a bit like the one upsmanship type of thing IDR talked about, who came up with that naming scheme anyway?

To me there's really only 5 genres sprouting from rock; punk rock, heavy metal, death metal, screamo (or "insert your own name here for those bands"), and progressive stuff.
Punk is clear as to what it is (think sex pistols and the early offspring stuff).
Heavy metal is looser in it's definition but still basically "shit that's heavier than what you'd put on the commercial rock radio station but mainly without screams or growls".
Death metal is the step after heavy metal, deeper and heavier, while focusing on more violent themes and harsher vocals to emphasise them. Black metal is a subset of this, and the death genre is as heavy as you can get.
Screamo was originally a subset of death, but has since redefined itself as a sort of bridge between heavy and death while keeping the commercial elements of rock. This encompasses almost any "genre" that ends in a -core.
Progressive stuff is pretty much stuff that attempts to go beyond defined genres in a musical way to create either a new approach to rhythm and/or melody, often using musical theory as a guideline.

Pretty much how I define what a band's genre is, is by looking at those definitions and finding the one or two ones that would cover the band in a general case, for example I'd define Bullet for my Valentine as "heavy metal with screamo influences" whilst a band like Death before the Individual Thought Patterns album would be generally death metal, but after that album included progressive elements in most of their work. I don't think there's actually that many bands that defy the layout I have in the exact same way to be able to call anything else a set genre.

Yeah, I'd agree with this for the most part.

I've been on a huge prog rock/metal kick lately. Everything from Ghost to Arcane/Caligula's Horse to tried-and-true classics like anything Maynard James Keenan or even Faith No More.

 

[NSL]

The new singer isn't all that great... OLD M.I.W is top notch though.

And scratch the new singer part.

You had me confused as shit...I've actively avoided them, ever since they popped up at local bars years ago, and it has always been Chris. Their songwriting has taken a drastic change, and it's helped, but they still suck the sweatiest nuts on Earth. (As people, and as a band)

 

[Alex]

I really only got into metalcore when I got to uni, mainly because most of my friends were into it and I eventually warmed to it.

When it comes to metalcore I seem to prefer the bands that started in the early 2000s like Killswitch Engage, Atreyu, I Killed The Prom Queen, Parkway Drive, A Day To Remember, Bring Me The Horizon (I know I know). and if Escape The Fate count them as well (I know I know), The Dillinger Escape Plan and Alexisonfire if they count as well. The only later period bands I really like are Falling In Reverse (I know, I know) and While She Sleeps.

IDR check these out anyway. I'm a big fan of the clean vocals and would gladly take an entire album with just those

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[NSL]

Killswitch Engage, Atreyu, I Killed The Prom Queen, Parkway Drive, A Day To Remember, Bring Me The Horizon (I know I know). and if Escape The Fate count them as well (I know I know), The Dillinger Escape Plan and Alexisonfire if they count as well. The only later period bands I really like are Falling In Reverse (I know, I know) and While She Sleeps.

Except for FIR and IKTPQ...Yes.

Have you listened to Killer Be Killed? Greg from Dillinger is in there, as is Troy Saunders from Mastodon, Max Cavalera, and David Elitch is the drummer, from The Mars Volta.

 

[Alex]

Except for FIR and IKTPQ...Yes.

Have you listened to Killer Be Killed? Greg from Dillinger is in there, as is Troy Saunders from Mastodon, Max Cavalera, and David Elitch is the drummer, from The Mars Volta.

I just dig the stuff FIR experiments with (the pop meets dubstep meets hardcore) and I just find IKTPQ great musically and I really dig Jona Weinhofen's vocals.

I have listened to Killer Be Killed and I think it's great. Love the different vocal styles meshing together. I keep meaning to get the album but I always end up getting something else instead. It's weird I bought a Mastadon album after hearing them but not this actual album.