because Liger would give him the time to get that set up right?
It's not extreme rules. It's a regular wrestling match. You're right; Lesnar hits a regular F-5 and gets a regular pin.
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It's not extreme rules. It's a regular wrestling match. You're right; Lesnar hits a regular F-5 and gets a regular pin.
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LOL, what does this match have to do about numbers? We talked about NJPW numbers about three weeks ago, and it was just you saying that you thought it wasn't a publicly traded company (which, you are right, it isn't, but a significant portion of it is owned by a publicly traded company).
As for the buyrates, I'm going to retract what I said earlier. Why? Because you were just trying to make a point about Lesnar's drawing power, and you in no way used this information to justify why Lesnar should thus go over Liger. So, apologies.
because Liger would give him the time to get that set up right?
You act as if Lesnar can't keep Liger down at all. It doesn't take that damn long to set it up. I think it took the Dudleys less than a minute to, maybe more because Spike had to run down. Lesnar can keep Liger down.
It's in ECW it is extreme rules right? But yes one F-5 and hes done.
Sly brought up Lesnar's inability to draw.
That's why I hate being gone for a few days, because that thing really lost focus of the match, and became about so much other stuff then Lesnar vs. Liger.
Personally, I hate using buyrates and stuff in an argumetn where for th emost part I've been voting kayfabe.
I said people can vote however they want, which is fine, I keep it kayfabe so I don't go into the realm of Triple H and Stephanie, Hogan and McMahon, Benoit/Nancy/Daniel, all of the crap that should stay out of it. Very easily the tournament can just blow up and become a bitching fest like the rest of the forum. I like the escape from cynism myslef, and hate the fact that I'm now attacking Liger as I enjoyed him.
That's why I hate being gone for a few days, because that thing really lost focus of the match, and became about so much other stuff then Lesnar vs. Liger.
Personally, I hate using buyrates and stuff in an argumetn where for th emost part I've been voting kayfabe.
I said people can vote however they want, which is fine, I keep it kayfabe so I don't go into the realm of Triple H and Stephanie, Hogan and McMahon, Benoit/Nancy/Daniel, all of the crap that should stay out of it. Very easily the tournament can just blow up and become a bitching fest like the rest of the forum. I like the escape from cynism myslef, and hate the fact that I'm now attacking Liger as I enjoyed him.
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We've already given you proof in his match with Rey Mysterio that Lesnar likes to take chances. That was a big part of his character. Luckily, he was big enough to justify that aspect of his character in a company where most of the small men like to jump on bigger opponents. Liger's not like that at all. If anything, he would be using the "strong-style" of wrestling associated with New Japan, which would entail him using a lot of strikes and submission moves.
The argument people are putting forward would work if Lesnar was facing a wrestler who was all offense and no defense. But, being cautious and being able to maneuver out of your opponent's moves is just as of much importance in Japan as attacking your opponent.
Did we get a clarification on that? I thought it was just "regular" and not "house rules"? Shocky?
He drew similarly to, if not better than, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. My source? Why, Sly's spreadsheets of course!
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That's all well and good. Now, answer this: in what unheard of American promotion would any booker put Liger over Lesnar? Name one.
Lesnar can go submission. He needs one: a bearhug. He gets his hands around Liger and he wins. He beat Hogan with one, so unless you want to argue Liger would last longer without submitting than Hogan, that's something else he can match up with.
And one match? So what? If you're going on Hogan's matches with Angle, Sting and Luger, he submits all the time. Look at the bulk of his career, not a few matches.
Lesnar can go submission. He needs one: a bearhug. He gets his hands around Liger and he wins. He beat Hogan with one, so unless you want to argue Liger would last longer without submitting than Hogan, that's something else he can match up with.
And one match? So what? If you're going on Hogan's matches with Angle, Sting and Luger, he submits all the time. Look at the bulk of his career, not a few matches.
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Two points:
1) The one promotion that would book Liger over Lesnar is ECW. I'm not going to lie: this proved to be a huge advantage for Liger.
2) I'm hard pressed to think of any match where Liger submitted. Also, Liger would never go toe-to-toe with Lesnar like Hogan did. Hogan had enough strength and size to be able to do so; Liger does not. But, does this logically prove that Liger couldn't beat Lesnar? No, it does not at all, unless we want to make the bold assumption that the only way that you can wrestler Brock Lesnar is by going toe-to-toe with him.
In this match, Liger would be pretty much akin to a guerilla, and he would use tactics that would be comparable in their slyness and sneakiness.
Goldberg>Lesnar, at least in kayfabe, the proof's in WrestleMania 20.
This Hogan was what, 50? Your comparing Liger to a 50 year old man? He was either being beaten by everybody or getting help beating them, it took a HHH and a teased Undertaker interference for him to beat Jericho.
Prime Liger>Old man Hogan. Still unsure who to vote.
klunderbunker
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1.) This is about when wrestlers were in their primes right? Lesnar was in his prime when his manager owned ECW. I think Lesnar will be well versed on ECW as well as probably booked fairly well by the owner.
2.) I never said that Lesnar would win by submission. I said he easily could. And Hogan didn't tap. he passed out in the hold. That very easily could happen to Liger as well. Eventually Liger is going to get caught. When he does, it's over.
2.) I never said that Lesnar would win by submission. I said he easily could. And Hogan didn't tap. he passed out in the hold. That very easily could happen to Liger as well. Eventually Liger is going to get caught. When he does, it's over.
klunderbunker
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Yeah that's something I want to make clear also: I don't have a problem with people voting Lesnar. I just don't think it's the correct choice and I disagree with it.
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Glad to know we'll have your vote.
klunderbunker
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Damn it. Scratch that, make it Liger and not Lesnar.
Too much multitasking.
Too much multitasking.
klunderbunker
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Waffles do sound good right now.
klunderbunker
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Can I be admin in your place while you have food poisoning?
klunderbunker
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Damn. One day I could see myself being your successor.
