The Final Poll

[Mighty NorCal]

I see exactly what you are getting at, and I agree with you to a large degree. On the basis of need, it could be argued that all three candidates came up short, making it necessary to base your vote on other factors. Neither guy ran for the position based upon where the need really exists. I mean, it's not like either of them ran to co-moderate the TNA section, or anything sensible like that.

The thing that you dont know is, any mod can levy infractions in any place, which is the main thing that takes up time. its up to the section mod to move/close/trash/delete stuff, but anyone can do infractions anywere. Which, as I said, is the main work to do, because it involves writing out explanations, and arguments with morons.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Simple question for a guy who should know better than anyone. Is there a need for a spam mod on Wrestlezone forums? Forget about Coco versus Crock versus Dagger, and look simply at need. Does the need for a spam mod exist, and if so, how did you guys manage to get by for so long without one?

There is more need for a spam mod than a fourth WWE mod. Spam is full of child molestors and someone needs to protect the children. Why are you so against stopping children from getting molested?

In other words, stop using the word "need". Technically, the forum doesn't "need" jack squat (if some wants to make Jack Squat their username I did not copyright it). It sure as hell doesn't "need" a fourth WWE mod.

This is a wrestling forum, not a nuclear reactor.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

It's ideas like this that make me wonder how you could support anyone else for mod. Not even Slyfox has that type of ingenuity.

Also strikes me as something Sly would love

 

[JGlass]

Also strikes me as something Sly would love

I have little to no doubt it would be the highlight of the forum's entire history.

 

[hatehabsforever]

The thing that you dont know is, any mod can levy infractions in any place, which is the main thing that takes up time. its up to the section mod to move/close/trash/delete stuff, but anyone can do infractions anywere. Which, as I said, is the main work to do, because it involves writing out explanations, and arguments with morons.

Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it. Actually, I wasn't aware of that before this election began, but I had become aware of these facts over the course of the election.

Here's the thing. I understand about any staff member being able to infract anywhere, that makes sense. I also understand about only being able to move/close/trash/delete stuff for your own section, also makes sense. But when there are blatant rules broken such as advertising, porn, excessive prejudicial comments outside the bar room, etc., how come any staff member can't handle that? The other day, when some dude was posting porn, cartoon and otherwise, it would make sense to me that any staff member who saw it should have been able to delete it, over and above infract for it. And if that was the case, no spam mod would be necessary.

 

[JGlass]

Here's the thing. I understand about any staff member being able to infract anywhere, that makes sense. I also understand about only being able to move/close/trash/delete stuff for your own section, also makes sense. But when there are blatant rules broken such as advertising, porn, excessive prejudicial comments outside the bar room, etc., how come any staff member can't handle that? The other day, when some dude was posting porn, cartoon and otherwise, it would make sense to me that any staff member who saw it should have been able to delete it, over and above infract for it. And if that was the case, no spam mod would be necessary.

Because that would defeat the purpose of individual section mods, I would assume. It's good to have specialization, otherwise certain sections would go unmodded, while others would be constantly monitored by everyone.

So you can only delete posts in the section you mod. You can still ban the offending party, but only the section's mod, g-mod, or admin can delete the posts.

This all has very little to do with the election though, as none of the candidates would have been able to a damn thing about the pornography the other day, unless it was in their section.

 

[shattered dreams]

1st point about rules:

Crock has 1 expired infraction and 5 expired warnings.
Dagger has 4 expired infractions and 4 expired warnings.

I never argued one was better or worse. You argued that Crock knows the rules. Dagger's record has no bearing on that unless you are trying to distract from Crock's shortcoming there.

1) Sly is referring to threads started. Not posts made. He has a non-spam daily posting average of around 2, and has made over 1,000 non-spam posts.

I don't think you want to get into a volume based argument when Dagger is the other choice. Everyone that is being honest knows Crock heavily leans towards spam posting and his abilities in non-spam are not anything special.

2) Dagger Dias has started precisely 0 non-spam wrestling threads in the last three months and The Crock has started 4.

And if we do 4 months and only count threads that get at least 5 responses it is 3-3. Even if we take your timeframe once again this doesn't make Crock better, just pretty much equally bad. Once again you are the one arguing that this is an area that Crock excels in so I am not sure what the Dagger comparison serves to do except distract from Crock's obvious shortcomings.

Crock has more rep, and more votes in this popularity contest. It would appear more people like him, whatever the measure.

Plausible but still doesn't address my addendum from before, not to mention Crock now has a whopping one vote more and I haven't voted yet.

No, I didn't have access to the internet at the time. The mod he sent the message to posted it in the board room then given the consensus, he replied. By the time I got online a few days later, there was really no reason for me to say anything.

I would like to say, for the record, that Dagger has apologised now, and I have accepted that apology. I will continue to campaign against him, because he's the wrong choice, but I am not holding any sort of grudge against him, and when the election is done, I won't be bringing it up again.

Fair enough and I am glad you two have moved past this. However, I think it is a little bit odd that you felt so strongly about the behind your back aspect of Dagger's actions instead of talking to you directly but you ultimately failed to do the same when it came to your issue with him until now. Much like you had a better explanation than he knew about at the time, it is entirely possible that you could have made a similar mistake that if addressed earlier might have allowed you two to move forward when it actually happened.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Because that would defeat the purpose of individual section mods, I would assume. It's good to have specialization, otherwise certain sections would go unmodded, while others would be constantly monitored by everyone.

So you can only delete posts in the section you mod. You can still ban the offending party, but only the section's mod, g-mod, or admin can delete the posts.

This all has very little to do with the election though, as none of the candidates would have been able to a damn thing about the pornography the other day, unless it was in their section.

I understand that, and I'm not trying to be difficult here. It just seems to me that some rules are so blatant transgressions from the rule book, that anyone on staff should be able to handle them. Such as the other day, when that porn "invasion" was happening. There were 4-5 staff members online at the time, but none of them were able to delete the problems because it wasn't their section. In my opinion, anyone on staff should have been able to say, hey, that's porn and it needs to be deleted right away, problem solved.

I can appreciate why things such as spam designation, merging threads, etc., should remain with the mod specific for the section. You, for example, should not be able to go into the TNA section, decide something is spam and delete it, as that would be stepping on IDR's toes. But if someone posted porn, or advertising, in the TNA section, and IDR happened to be offline at the time, you should be able to go in there and delete away.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I understand that, and I'm not trying to be difficult here. It just seems to me that some rules are so blatant transgressions from the rule book, that anyone on staff should be able to handle them. Such as the other day, when that porn "invasion" was happening. There were 4-5 staff members online at the time, but none of them were able to delete the problems because it wasn't their section. In my opinion, anyone on staff should have been able to say, hey, that's porn and it needs to be deleted right away, problem solved.

Ask the Admins

 

[JGlass]

I understand that, and I'm not trying to be difficult here. It just seems to me that some rules are so blatant transgressions from the rule book, that anyone on staff should be able to handle them. Such as the other day, when that porn "invasion" was happening. There were 4-5 staff members online at the time, but none of them were able to delete the problems because it wasn't their section. In my opinion, anyone on staff should have been able to say, hey, that's porn and it needs to be deleted right away, problem solved.

I can appreciate why things such as spam designation, merging threads, etc., should remain with the mod specific for the section. You, for example, should not be able to go into the TNA section, decide something is spam and delete it, as that would be stepping on IDR's toes. But if someone posted porn, or advertising, in the TNA section, and IDR happened to be offline at the time, you should be able to go in there and delete away.

How is the forum's computer programming supposed to differentiate between a post with advertising or porn and a regular post?

 

[DirtyJosé]

Habs, have you ever messed around with forum software? Have you ever been a mod elsewhere? I ask because you make it sound so easy to set up a mod profile for a user and be able to keep them confined in one section or another but still allow "porn" (for example) to be recognized as something they could deal with outside of the zone they are given. The user interface does not allow you to set up exceptions for something like "porn" or any of the other offences you've listed.

 

[hatehabsforever]

How is the forum's computer programming supposed to differentiate between a post with advertising or porn and a regular post?

It wouldn't have to, that would come down to the discretion of the mods. All mods would technically have access to all sections, but there would be an explicit understanding that you stay out of everyone else's section, except for stuff like porn or advertising. That way, any staff member could deal with obvious rule breakages. If a mod oversteps his boundaries and steps on the toes of another, it would be dealt with accordingly.

Going back to my hypothetical, if someone posts porn in a TNA thread, you could step in and deal with it if IDR is offline. But if you go into the TNA section and delete a spam post, IDR complains and your over zealousness gets dealt with accordingly.

 

[Nate DaMac]

How about not worrying about it? This forum has succeeded under the current rules for a while now.

 

[DirtyJosé]

So...you're suggesting switching to a method which would only encourage more drama in the Board Room? Ohhhhhkay....

 

[justinsayne]

Why change it at all, the way things are now are just fine, if a section mod is not online there is usually a g-mod or admin (I mean seriously, KB is almost always online) online that can deal with it.

Also what the fuck does any of this have to do with any of the 3 candidates?

 

[hatehabsforever]

Geez, guys, its only conversation. Admittedly I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I'm certainly not worried about it. Maybe it's more complicated than I thought, I'm just throwing thoughts out there. Holy crap people are on edge these days.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Write-in vote for Serious Jones.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Just wait until the guys in the ABC Party actually get out and vote. Then you'll see how close this thing is going to get. Still a couple of days to go, and I don't think is over yet, not by a long shot.

I don't know broski, things have been awfully quiet in the HQ pretty much since the primaries were over. There was this huge "party loyalty" thing until the Dagger explosion started. He's catching up though, and may surpass Crock by tomorrow morning. I guess we'll find out...

I'd bet money on Coco taking this by at least 10 though. Although, I know if I do that Coco will rally against himself just to make some cash.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Geez, guys, its only conversation. Admittedly I have no idea what I'm talking about

Now your just asking people to make this part of their signature.

 

[Dr.Shades]

Ironic, (insert your candidate of choice) it almost sounds like...ELIMINATE!

we should elect mr.rogers

 

[shattered dreams]

Something tells me Coco isn't the type to delete the porn anyway.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Alright, I know for a fact that the ABC party is out PM'ing for newbies for votes now. boozinjedi?

 

[DirtyJosé]

I heard they took it to a new level and started finding new members to sign up just to vote Dagger.

 

[JGlass]

Alright, I know for a fact that the ABC party is out PM'ing for newbies for votes now. boozinjedi?

Where's the proof at?

 

[Nate DaMac]

Where's the proof at?

The pudding?