The Bullshiting About Comics Thread w/ Justin & Friends

[justinsayne]

I read issue 1 of Green Arrow, it was shit so I dropped it, I'll try it out again when they hand it over to a new writer

 

[justinsayne]

Anyone looking to get into the Avnegers, & want to know which tpbs are a good place to start, this is a pretty good list.

The Avengers: Where Do I Start?
by Chris Arrant

They’re Earth Mightiest Heroes, but with such boisterous language it might be hard to get to know the Avengers. More than just a mere super-group consisting of the top heroes in the Marvel line, the Avengers have become an institution in comics and in recent years has become the focal point — and best-selling — title in comics. With the long-awaited movie just months away, iFanboy has pulled together a definitive list of books to get if you want to get to know Marvel’s Avengers.

Avengers: Under Siege: This lesser-known classic came out in the mid-80s from writer Roger Stern and artist John Buscema, and shows how Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil can methodically take apart the Avengers team and take over the Avengers Mansion itself. Stern shows Zemo pick apart the team one-by-one ala Benjamin Linus from Lost, giving each character a spotlight in their faltering and subsequent comeback.

The Ultimates Vol. 1: Superhuman: Produced as a 21st version of Marvel’s premiere super-team, The Ultimates shows a re-invented retelling of the core Avengers which has become the blueprint for the Marvel movies to come. From the stellar WW2-era story of Captain America that leads of this initial story-arc to the rampaging potty-mouth the Hulk, this arc is where to start for any non-comics reader wanting to get a head start on the movie.

Avengers: The Korvac Saga: Although it’s certainly not the first (or the last) interstellar time-spanning super-hero story in comics, this classic story sees the Avengers run across a man, Michael Korvac, on the run from the heroes of the 31st century after committing atrocious times. But Korvac’s villainous ways get the better of him as he starts tinkering with the modern-day world and brings the unwanted attention of the Avengers. In many ways this was the precursor to the later Secret Wars event series, but the Korvac Saga did it best.

Avengers: Kang Dynasty: This arc was the culmination of writer Kurt Busiek’s run on The Avengers, showing a futuristic dictator named Kang coming to conquer the world in what he says is an effort to save it from a darker path. Kang really tears through the Avengers and Earth itself, killing the entire population of the U.S. Capitol to make a point. This 16-part storyline was a true epic, and Busiek was ably joined by a great collection of artists including Alan Davis, Ivan Reis and Kieron Dwyer.

Civil War: Although it encompassed the entire Marvel U, at it’s core this 2006-2007 event series is about the Avengers. Featuring Iron Man and Captain America going head-to-head over the issue of secret identities and safeguards against rogue super-heroes, it draws a line in the sand and splits the Avengers and the larger hero population in half as they battle — in some cases, to the death. Writer Mark Millar and artist Steve McNiven really capture lightning in a bottle with this series, crystallizing what the current Marvel regime had been working towards for years and set the stage for what was to come in the new Avengers-centric Marvel U.

 

[Lee]

This week it's just Superboy for me though did anyone pick up GL#2? I may pick that and #3 tomorrow.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

I grabbed Green Lantern 2 last month. It's very enjoyable, but still laying the foundation of what's to come.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Ive got Batgirl, Batman and Robin, Deathstroke, GL, Huntress and Suicide Squad for this weeks reading.

 

[Lee]

I must say I've been rather impressed with the new 52 plus there are a lot of MIA characters.

 

[justinsayne]

I grabbed Green Lantern 2 last month. It's very enjoyable, but still laying the foundation of what's to come.

WAIT! You mean to tell me your LCS actuelly had a comic you wanted?! WHAT KIND OF MADNESS IS THIS!?!?!?

 

[justinsayne]

I got 7 this week

-Batman #3
-Justice League #3
-Generation Hope #13
-Ghostbusters #3
-Nightwing #3
-The Incredible Hulk #2
-Venom #9

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Anyone read Avenging Spider-Man #1? I thought it was hilarious.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

It looked daft.

 

[justinsayne]

Only thing remotely Spidey related that I'm reading right now is Venom, though I keep hearing that Avenging Spider-Man was a fun read, I just have too many other books right now & can't afford to get sucked into another.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

Anyone read Avenging Spider-Man #1? I thought it was hilarious.

It was very fun to read & the first time I legit LOL'd while reading a book.

I picked up Hulk #2, Batman #3 & Justice League #3. I was also suppose to get Nightwing #3.

I'm thinking of dropping some books soon & maybe adding a few.

Also, I really need to post in the Comic Thread in the Potluck area.

 

[justinsayne]

So I was on my way to pick up my new books for this week, stopped to get some cash on the way only to find that I don't have any in my account... too many bills left me broke until Fri, so looks like I'm going to have to wait till then to get my comics for this week. Oh well, I've been enjoying the shit out of American Vampire, & still have the first trade to finish of that. I am really looking forward to Batman #3 & Nightwing #3 this most I think.

 

[justinsayne]

PUNISHER MAX To End With Issue #22
Posted on 11/16/11 at 6:14 PM in Articles, Items by Ron Richards

UPDATE: Jason Aaron just posted to Twitter:
PUNISHER MAX is ending, the way I always intended it. It was not canceled.

So while it seemed as if the title was canceled, it appears to confirm speculation that Punisher MAX is ending when intended by Aaron and Marvel Comics.

We’ll have more from Marvel Comics and Jason Aaron tomorrow.

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The title slashing continues at Marvel Comics. First it was Alpha Flight getting canceled, then followed by the news of X-23 getting canceled. And now today, it appears as if the next title in the line of fire at Marvel Comics is Punisher MAX by Jason Aaron and Steve Dillon.

We first heard rumblings of this cancellation via Andy Diggle on Twitter, but then Newsarama broke the news that Punisher MAX was indeed canceled, which was to be revealed when they debuted more of the Marvel solicitations tomorrow. Newsarama does point out that this could the natural conclusion that was planned by Jason Aaron and that a Marvel spokesperson hinted at more to come from the MAX universe.

For those unaware, Punisher MAX was the mature Punisher title that existed outside of the standard Marvel-616 continuity. First brought to prominence by Garth Ennis and his epic run, Punisher MAX was picked up by Jason Aaron and Steve Dillon and has been one of the the best books published by Marvel, getting Pick of the Week for issue #12 and we just ran a preview of issue #20 earlier this week.

In fact when we interviewed Marvel Editor In Chief Axel Alonso in April at Wonder Con and asked him which book was he most excited about at Marvel? His answer was Punisher MAX.

I have to say this sucks. I love Punisher MAX it is easily one of my top 5 books right now. While I may hate that this book is going to be going away, I am happy that at least it's a planned ending, & will have some sort of conclusion.

 

[Shocky]

Well you can add Black Panther and Ghost Rider to the list of titles being cancelled by Marvel.

I think the rumors are true of the Marvel Reboot. If you look at comic sales, DC is killing it right now. Also, the X-Books are all on the top of Marvels sellers right now. It stings for Marvel that they are getting beat by DC books and the X Books are selling again (counter intuitive I know). Marvel has tried so hard to shove anything Avengers related down our throats for the last ten years.

All of these cancellations, the DC Reboot, and the return of Phoenix/X-men, Avengers story arc coming up, it's simply laying the foundation I think for the reboot.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

It should be no surprise that DC are killing them. The fact that Marvel are resorting to having characters get killed and resurrected (again) is really just a pathetic attempt to pop the titles.

I may not be high on the idea of rebooting the entire universe, but at least DC are telling new and interesting (from what I can tell) stories.

 

[Shadowmancer]

A Marvel Reboot would be great. As long as they bring back the Irredeemable Ant-man.

 

[justinsayne]

DC is simply better when it comes to the writing, it's the same reason the X-titles are selling so well, all of Marvel's best writers are working on them. Marvel needs to cancel a few of the Avenger books, they have waaaaaay to many, nobody is going to pick up that many different Avenger titles. Fear Itself being a colossal failure didn't really help readers when it came to having any faith what so ever in Marvel either, that fact that they refuse to let it die just further pushes people away.

 

[justinsayne]

CANCELPOCALYPSE: Who’s Next? UPDATE: DAKEN Has Been Canceled
Posted on 11/18/11 at 4:30 PM in Articles, Items by Conor Kilpatrick

Its been quite a few months for Marvel Comics’ lower tier books. And by quite a few months I mean they’ve been dropping titles like flies. Here is a list of the series that Marvel has very recently canceled, along their sales estimates from Diamond courtesy of ICv2:

X-23 – 24,043
Ghost Rider – 21,012
Alpha Flight – 20,731
Daken: Dark Wolverine – 19,472
Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive – 18,248
Iron Man 2.0 – 15,600 (September numbers)
Herc – 13,190
Destroyers – Canceled before it even came out.
Victor Von Dom – Canceled before it even came out.

Eight books isn’t necessarily a lot to get canceled throughout the course of a year. But this hasn’t been over the course of a year, these books have been canceled over the course of just the past few months, most in the past few weeks. With the announcements coming so bunched up as they did along with some not insignificant layoffs at the Marvel offices, eyebrows have certainly been raised.

So we might as well start wildly speculating!

Which titles, if any, will be next? It helps to have information on hand to make an informed wild speculation, so here are the other regular Marvel Universe series that sell fewer copies than those that were just canceled. Numbers are from the same source as above.

Thunderbolts – 23,712
X-Factor – 23,569
Avengers Academy – 23,412
S.H.I.E.L.D., Vol. 2 – 21,060
Daken: Dark Wolverine – 19,472
Generation Hope – 18,424
Deadpool MAX – 15,865

I’m not saying any of these specific books will be canceled, or that any more Marvel books will be canceled at all. But if any more books are canceled in the days ahead, the above are probably the most likely candidates. (UPDATE: Daken: Dark Wolverine has been canceled.) It’s important to keep in mind that there are all kinds of reasons to cancel a comic book series, but sales is usually the primary reason.

UPDATE: A reliable source close to Marvel assures us that Thunderbolts is safe.

I don't like that Gen. Hope is on the list of title that we could be seeing get the axe, if that stupid little fucking Mouse comes anywhere near my Gen. Hope Marvel is gonna have one more angry fanboy on their hands. YOU HEAR ME MARVEL!!! STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM GENERATION HOPE!!!

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

To be fair, why would you keep a title alive that isn't making you much money? And on top of that, how many X-books are out right now?

 

[Ty Burna]

Jesus, just cancel all of my "lower-tier" books on me then. Daken and X-23 may not have had the fanfare of other books, but Daken was outstanding and really had a different edge to it from your typical comics. X-23 was pretty solid, after she associated herself with the Future Foundation it went to shit, but was slowly getting better. PunisherMAX being cancelled is a damn shame on top of that.

How about axing one of the 5 Avenger series they got going on? They got the Young Avengers, Avengers Academy, Secret Avengers, New Avengers, and of course the typical Avengers. I may even be missing a series or two that has Avengers in the title. I doubt many read any of those other than the actual Avengers series.

I think a reboot may be in order. Reorganize some shit and streamline everything.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

The only real problem I have with the idea of a reboot at Marvel is that they managed to fuck Spider-Man up so badly under the same regime with that idea (OMD) and well, if they did that to the flagship character, God knows what happens to the lower-tier characters.

 

[MrHashasheen]

A Marvel Compress/Rewrite might do wonders for the comics line. IMO, they should divide up the X-men titles and the regular Marvel titles into seperate universes, seperate the major events and storylines and put them together again in a cohesive background for both universes...

I'd offer an actual synopsis and a lot more detail, but I'm far more of a DC guy than Marvel, so my Marvel info (particularly when it comes to X-men) is limited.

 

[justinsayne]

I have an idea how about stop putting out a new Fear Itself series's ever fucking week. The even failed. Miserably. Why are they still dragging that shit out? Also Avengers has several new series coming out as well to add to the already too damn many Avengers books that are out now. I don't have a problem with them streamlining a few of the X-men books, but don't touch Generation Hope, Uncanny X-Force, Uncanny X-Men, or Wolverine & the X-men. Basically anything written by Kieron Gillan, Jason Aaron, or Rick Remender should be left alone, & that shouldn't just be with X-men books, that should be company wide, they're the best writers in the company right now.

The Ultimate universe could probably go away as well, outside of Ultimate Spider-man (which personally I think is shit) is there is single Ultimate title anyone even reads anymore?

 

[Shocky]

I think a reboot would be interesting, but as said, I don't trust the editorial staff to do it right.

I really, really, really liked what Wolverine and the X-men (the show) was trying to do with. It rebooted the X-Men universe, but kept so much of what made X-Men great. They didn't bastardize the X-Men like X-Men Evolution did.

I think everyone tends to agree as well, the crossovers are just too damn much at this point. I miss the days when The Avengers (minus Wolverine and Spiderman) had their corner, Spiderman had the Spider-verse, and the X-Men had their own space carved up. Marvel just works better when these characters are separate and coming together on rare occasion. There's at least a crossover every year and the appeal is gone. Yes it was awesome to see Norman Osborne or Venom fighting the X-Men, but it's been done, time to do something new.

Get the Phoenix back and restart this thing.