Sin Cara: Could His WWE Career Be In Jeopardy Before It Begins?

[Mac Attack]

FutureShocked
Really? Really?
He has pissed YOU off? Oh how bad of a performer he is! His match was ok, right?
What do you think you are, a technical master of the ring? If the announcers hadn't acknowledged that the botch over the top rope was a botch, you wouldn't have noticed it. Infact, the first that they said about it was 'Wow! What a counter by Primo!'

His match was nice, more than okay and he had shown his offence quite well.

Your absolutely wrong in this. Everyone could tell it was a botch you don't need to be a technical master in the ring to see someone go to the top rope and fall off like that. The announces were just covering up for it and that is what they were supposed to do. Clearly the match was decent however you probaly shoudn't botch your first match. And I am a Cara fan I want the best for however a mistake is a mistake and yiu can't say it is not.

 

[TheLoneCharles]

I said in a previous post that Sin Cara is going to be depushed very soon. It was deleted and I was neg repped but it is very true. It is only a matter of time before the "you f'd up" chants begin, and Sin Cara will slowly be depushed.

The only way he will make it is if they give their cruiserweights something to compete over for once. Why can't Superstars be a show featuring cruiserweights??

 

[BLeonard]

I'm wondering how much ring time Sin Cara got on house shows/dark matches before debuting on RAW... All's they'd ave to do is throw him out there with a different mask (or no mask) and different ring attire and most people wouldn't know it's him. I'm also wondering why they didn't bring in some legit luchadore "jobbers" for Sin, to showcase his moveset with guys that know how to take the moves, until the WWE roster has more experience. I know Primo has sort of a lucha style, but he hasn't done much of that in years, at least not to the extent of Sin Cara.

The problem with releasing him so soon would be that WWE hyped him up to be a big star. I've also read that this was Triple H's first hire in his new executive position, so you know that HHH is going to do everything in his power to make "his guy" a star, so I don't think he'll be getting released too awful soon.

Finally, I also have not heard them mention him as a "RAW superstar." Yes, I know that he's been on RAW, as well as being on the "RAW roster" as far as the WWE webpage is concerned, but my guess is, worst case, they simply move him to Smackdown, where they can edit the botches out, until he and his opponents get the hang of things.

-Bill

 

[Parkur]

I think he just needs time to adjust, I remember hearing that he was apparently very nervous, give him a little time to adjust to the WWE, and he'll do fine.

(also, give him a new finisher, that crappy flip move he used during his match with primo was pathetic)

 

[michael0801]

well, hes got alot of hype to live upto, i reckon rey mysterio should lose some weight, then him and sincara could have some great matches, either that or wwe snap up amazing red

 

[Dimice121976]

He does have 1 major thing going for him besides the hype right now, supposedly he was the first guy HHH pushed hard for in his new role back stage. Even if Cara falls off the apron every week he wont get axed. I think its a new style, tied in with no FCW time that is hurting him right now. I say give it a month and all of this will surely be forgotten.

 

[#hamler]

I don't think you can blame that botch on Sin Cara though. Primo slipped trying to position himself and the momentum of him falling is what threw Sin Cara out the ring.

There's no doubt Cara should've sold that fall and made it seem like Primo pushed him off. I have no clue why they have someone like Sin Cara who comes from a very different style of wrestling, come in and expect him to know everything there is to do inside the WWE, with out the experience of FCW. Sin Cara is a great performer, but if the WWE is going to hype him up and put so much damn faith in the dude, would it have hurt to fucking send him down to FCW for a few months?

As for the match, it was good. Just good. Not great. However, I was expecting a little more. I think the reason Primo got in so much offense was so Sin Cara could show off his reversals and defense. The botch messed it up a bit. But Sin Cara could've done something better other than go right back to the ring and directly to the top rope again. I can't say his future is in trouble...yet. However, if he doesn't step up a bit and start impressing the guys in the back, he'll be in trouble.

Even if it's just for a couple matches, like I said, FCW is the answer.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

There is WAY to much reading into this match. There are only a couple guys on the RAW roster that Sin'll be able to have a back and forth with. Cara is there to be the next Rey Misterio and as such he'll be the plucky underdog who spends most of the match selling before getting in a limited amount of high spots. The match against Primo was just a set up to showcase a wide array of his moveset. Alarm bells will only ring in creative if he cannot pull off the giant killer role or (worse) if the Universe does not care.

 

[Ami3_PuNk]

It is just a minor hiccup and I hope that Sin Cara can put the nerves aside and just show how good he really can be.

His botches have been rather annoying and frustrating because now is the time he has to impress. Some fans are seeing him compete for the first time and they haven't seen him in other promotions. They're casting their views and judgments over what they're seeing now, and if all they see is botches and errors then it will impact the success of Sin Cara.

His moveset is very wild and crazy and such high risk that errors and mistakes are just human nature and always going to occur. Sin Cara isnt perfect and no one else is either. WWE can't expect the guy to hit every move perfect each time because his moveset is so incredibly hard to master. Sin Cara is one of a kind much like Rey Mysterio and as others have said, Sin Cara is basically Rey's replacement, but in his own right, he will create his own legacy and whatnot.

There is nothing else like Rey and Sin Cara in WWE today and WWE must notice that and give him the chance to get over the bumps and nerves of being the new guy. Sin cara is making errors at the worst possible time, but I hope he gets through it and is given the chance to improve and try to hit those moves to a higher standard. He is certainly capable, thats why WWE hired him.

 

[THEpapachamp]

Sin Cara has to much of a following in Mexico to worry about jobbing.. Vince would never allow losing his Mexican crowd when he just got it back

 

[berlinbrawler]

I don't think Sin Cara would be in any trouble at all. He's new to WWE style wrestling and uses a lot of high-risk moves. He is bound to mess some of them up early on. The problem with his entrance is also understandable as the trampoline adds a higher level of difficulty. All of those problems can be solved easily with time and practice. If the problem goes on for 5 or 6 months I would say his career might in jeopardy but for now he's safe.

Maybe if he was a rookie, but he is not. He's had international success already and is supposedly very polished. So, considering how experienced he already is, this amount of things going wrong can't inspire confidence in the eyes of the creative team.

Yup, I'd definitely say he is in trouble. If things keep going wrong like that he will very soon be on Superstars jobbing to Ted Dibiase.

This is absolute and total flocci*nauci*nihili*pili*fication. (Been dying to use the word.) With all the hype that has been given to him there is absolutely no way for him what so ever to be jobbing to Ted. The entrance yes I would scrap to something more simple however I feel that match itself was okay and although it was a botched finish it was Primo's fault (watch it he was the one to fall.) I think Cara honestly should have gone tio FCW for a bit to learn the WWE style however since he didn't he just needs to feud with someone who he can get chemistry with.

Why not? Take Chris Jericho, whose initial arrival in the WWE got hyped extensively. His debut was huge when the clock ticked down and he interrupted the Rock. But then his first matches didn't go as well as he'd hoped. He made some promos that didn't go over well, one even because of a technical glitch that wasn't his fault . By the time he made it to his first RAW match Vince was so low on him that he go squashed by the Rock. Shortly thereafter he spend a long time as a main stay on Sunday Night Heat (remember that?) losing to scrubs like Stevie Richards and Bull Buchanan.

I don't think Vince will hesitate to depush Cara if he feels the kid is not ready yet.

 

[Daniel.Wood]

He's nervous they hyped him massively and he got thrown in very quickly by the WWE despite not speaking English or knowing the style

if he botches i'd say it's because the WWE rushed him too fast.

 

[The Idiot]

I wasn't able to see Raw so I DVR'd it. Before I watched it I couldn't help but read all the horrible reviews Sin Cara got for his match. When I finally watched it I couldn't believe it. Not how bad the match was, but how fucking ******ed some of the people on here are. That match was more entertaining than any match I've seen on Raw in a LONG time. Sure the last move was screwed up...but that wasn't Sin Cara's fault was it?

People take things and blow it way out of proportion on here. Is his career in jeopardy before it begins? NO!

 

[I_got_bant_for_idiocy]

Vince needs to calm down, all the wrestlers to him are circus acts.. the first botch on raw im pretty sure was primos fault... why dont all these wrestlers go on strike before wrestlemania or something and form a union..

 

[jellmoo]

Is his career in jeopardy? No. One bad match and a few missed jumps aren't going to end the guy's career. WWE has invested too much into him to just pull the trigger that quickly. No serious decisions will be made until they see what he can do in an actual feud, not just in a one off match with a jobber.

That being said, I'm almost certain that some plans are being put into play to either fix the problem or scale back on his push.

Something will have to be done though. Botches happen, but the amount of them is simply too high. He'll have to scale back on some of his spots and make sure he hits them before working in moves that are riskier. Having him work on Smackdown instead of RAW wouldn't hurt either, at least for a while. That way they could at least edit out his shortcomings.

Either way, unless the guy learns to speak English, his potential will be limited.

 

[JWGunslinger]

Sin Cara should have been sent to FCW, spent some time there learning what things are like in the WWE and then moved his way up to the big show. Sin Cara botched his entrance and his finisher, something that wouldnt be so surprising with any other rookie in his first WWE match. However because he has been hyped so much in the past months it seems like a much bigger deal. I do not think that he will get booted as long as these mistakes arent something that is going to continue, I am hoping that it was a mix of big stage jitters and his getting used to working with a different style.

I do think it is important that Sin Cara does not speak english and his mask keeps us from seeing his emotions. I think that these factors are very important and can hurt him, the only way he can get away with it is if he can perform his entertaining style without making any mistakes. If he does that I believe that he can still me an amazing superstar in the WWE and hopefully someday soon take Mysterio's place. If it could be done all over again Sin Cara should have spent some time in FCW to get used to the style of the WWE but I think even though he stumbled in his debut he will get back up and become the superstar that he was expected to be.

 

[Disaster Master]

His career is not in jeopardy no way BUT i do believe he is not used to the ways of WWE and he needs more time to get adjusted by that i mean put him back in the dark matches, if Vince gets upset for a few little things like botching his entrance and botching one move with primo then he is to paranoid and maybe Sin Cara just needs to stay in Dark matches for a little more before having him on live shows.

 

[couger81]

Give the guy time to get used to the WWE ring & the WWE universe? Wouldn't you be nervous in front of thousands of people. If Superstars were still around then Cara might have gone there to get used to the WWE and perfect his style.

 

[streicher187]

they need to get him in the ring with guys who can keep up with him not slow guys like Sheamus. Put him in the ring with Morrison, Ray Mysterio, Evan Bourne and if they still miss spots then send him to the minors for some more WWE style training.

 

[Mark0820]

Give the guy time to get used to the WWE ring & the WWE universe? Wouldn't you be nervous in front of thousands of people. If Superstars were still around then Cara might have gone there to get used to the WWE and perfect his style.

It wasn't his first time in front of a big crowd. He's been wrestling for years around the world.

The botch wasn't his fault, but what he did after the botch was his fault. Primo slipped and Cara goes to the floor. Ok that's fine. He then stands right up and hops right back in the ring. He took no time to even attempt a momentary sell of the fall from the top rope to the floor. That's what the problem was. But now he's botching again on the European tour. There's no excuse for it.

 

[93178]

One of the big things is all of the hype put into his WWE Debut, not just by the WWE but by all the fans. So many people where expecting him to get into the WWE and become a top star in like his first month, thats not going to happen. The other WWE wrestlers have to get used to Caras style and he has to get used to their style or else things like these botches will happen.

Cara is used to working with other people his size that know all of the moves he does. They know how to do the move themself so they know how to sell the move and react when its done to them. People like Shaemus and some of the other WWE stars don't know these moves or are not nearly as used to them as Cara is used to working with so they don't know what exactly is happening during some of the moves and end up selling it wrong or it gets botched.

The trampoline entrance was just dumb. Ya it looked cool but theres no way that could of lasted. Those being botched where not really his fault at all. That entrance had just as much to do with the placement of the trampoline as it did with Caras abilities to sell it and jump over the rope, if it was placed wrong he had no chance. Also as soon as the entrance didn't go right you know thats stuck in Caras mind the rest of the match and making him probably over think his next moves not wanting something to go wrong again.

The botch with Primo in his debut match was also not his fault. Primo slipped and it caused Cara to be unbalanced. He did what in his mind was the best thing to do at the time and jumped down. Ya, it didn't look good and it may have not been the best way of trying to cover up the botch since it made it stand out more, but in the little time he had to come up with an idea plus the fact that he was unbalanced he did what came to mind. The announcers also didn't help him out at all with trying to cover it up. They made the botch stand out more also. Also Cara probably shouldn't have gotten right back up and done the same kick again to get the finish right away but you have to remember they have time limits in their match and Cara wouldn't want to go over his time in his debut match. Also Primo didn't really give him any chance since he was still sitting on the turnbuckle just waiting for Cara to come back.

Since Cara didn't go to FCW to get used to the WWE style first, he should atleast stay on SmackDown or have his main matches on SmackDown and maybe have some RAW run-ins. This way until hes fully comfortable with the WWE style they can edit out any mistakes that are noticeable.

I would really like to see a match between Cara and Evan since with Evans high flying moves and his quickness I think he could react better to Caras moves and also sell them very well to really put them over and those two could have a high paced high flyer match together. Its just kind of hard to randomly put them both in a match since they are both faces.

Although I don't think Cara is going to be released anytime soon due to these mistakes. Everyone makes them in their first WWE televised matched just most people don't have so much pressure and hype leading up to their debuts as Cara did. Also Triple H wont let the first guy he brings in get released so soon and I don't think him or Vince want all of the Mexican fans pissed at them either. Look, Caras been on TV for like two weeks now and on the last RAW there where already kids in the front row with HIS masks on. As long as he has a big following and kids are buying his masks, WWE will keep giving him a chance. Although I do think he needs to go to SmackDown till hes used to the WWE style.

 

[imdaman316]

Firstly, lets understand several things. Sin Cara knows his stuff. The guy is a seasoned pro, huge star, and has wrestled everywhere with just about every style imaginable. The WWE style is about as bland, unsophisticated and generic as any around the world. If the talent don't know how to work his moves, that's not Sin Cara's fault, that's the talent roster's fault. And if there is a supposed WWE style (which to me is an idiotic concept in itself), its something the WWE should make sure Sin Cara has worked out. It's the professional thing to do.

As far as the original question of his career being in jeopardy, what an ignorant question. It's been 2 weeks people. Is this truly the mentality of the IWC? People have made legitimate points about the mask not having eyes, but that's about the only thing that's making sense.

If you want to get Sin Cara over, to me initially there's only one way to do it. Stop working with Primo, who will get you NOWHERE. Sure he can showcase your moves, but he can't get you OVER!!! There's one guy, and one guy only he should be working with for the next 2 months; Chavo Guerrero. If Chavo came out for two months EVERY week and tried to outdo Sin Cara, only to be embarassed every week Sin Cara would be huge, and I mean HUGE. And this is a guarantee. Chavo could get him over like no one else could.

 

[Twisted]

Jeopardy? I'll take "Botched spots for $500." Who is Sin Cara.

Seriously I like the guy and don't mind wordless wrestlers. It puts alot on their ability in-ring and don't have to cover with talking. Half the show is yap yap as it is now. Why do we need more? You can use body language to tell a story as well. I don't forsee his mask changing as that is his signiture there. Look at his matches on YouTube and tell me he can't perform. Your only as good as your opponent allows you to be. Would Cena look like the superman of this decade if he wrestled santino every week? Bourne, Morrison, or Jericho could show us what Cara is capable of doing.

We need to just let him work the bugs out and settle down a bit. I agree that he seems fast forward most match but thats second nature to him. As far as falling from the top rope and not selling the fall right. How did he not? I am fat and outta shape and I woulda jumped back up from that and been pissed. Maybe we are just too used to seeing simple things oversold. Cena against Miz for an example. Dominate a match and then suddenly one munch rattles you and you stumble around?!

In short lay off him for a bit, like others said in a couple weeks if he still is rattled its not just nerves anymore. Then look at a overhaul of him, not an axe because there is too much there to get rid of. More fans from Mexico which means more $ for Vince plus fresh blood to soften the hardship of retireing veterans.

 

[Twisted]

As far as the original question of his career being in jeopardy, what an ignorant question. It's been 2 weeks people. Is this truly the mentality of the IWC? People have made legitimate points about the mask not having eyes, but that's about the only thing that's making sense.

If you want to get Sin Cara over, to me initially there's only one way to do it. Stop working with Primo, who will get you NOWHERE. Sure he can showcase your moves, but he can't get you OVER!!! There's one guy, and one guy only he should be working with for the next 2 months; Chavo Guerrero. If Chavo came out for two months EVERY week and tried to outdo Sin Cara, only to be embarassed every week Sin Cara would be huge, and I mean HUGE. And this is a guarantee. Chavo could get him over like no one else could.

The mask can be fixed without changing a thing. Make the eyes of the same material pool rafts are made of (clear plastic) then use one way decals (full rear window tints for cars) to make them gold. He can see clearly out but nobody in. You what I mean?

The Chavo idea is great. That would work so well and he wouldn't have to go full out with Chavo either. Just do some basic bland moves and then throw a flashy move in there every odd move and you have a safety net. Also with Chavo being familar with Luchador style would know how to sell it better, not to mention no hurt the face or heel value of either. Need to message creative at WWE with this idea. Anyone got tickets front row to RAW? Could make a sign or something, seriously this is so simple and smart it makes me sick.

 

[Superman38]

Isn't Sin Cara one of Triple H's pet projects? I don't think that he's in jeopardy just yet. First off, I'm going to admit that I've never seen him perform before his match on Raw. I thought that it was a fine match. One thing that I noticed is that the pace of his moves were very fast. Possibly too fast.

While that's exciting, it does increase the chance of mistakes. The number one thing that he should do is slow down his pace. If he slows down, then it should decrease the chance of a mistake. As for the match on Monday, it did look to me that Primo is the one who started the botch. He fell on the top rope. To be honest, at the moment, I thought that Sin Cara jumped to the outside to make it seem like Primo threw him out there in order to cover up Primo's botch. I agree with others on the entrance. Get rid of the trampoline. Just have him jump over the ropes from the ring apron with the fireworks going off. Same effect.

I actually think that Sheamus and Sin Cara COULD have a very good program. It depends on how they book it. If they book it in the classic "Big Man vs. Little Man" type of program, then it should be fine. If Sheamus dominates the matches with Sin Cara making traditional comebacks, then it could be very good storytelling.