Sin Cara: Could His WWE Career Be In Jeopardy Before It Begins?

[Jack-Hammer]

This past Monday on Raw, we saw the in-ring televised debut of Sin Cara in a match against Primo. Overall, I thought it was a fun match in which Sin Cara was able to show off some of his unique offense. The one problem in the match was a botched move off the top rope. The mistake was relatively minor and could happen to anyone, plus they pulled off the move successfull the second time around.

However, at least according to reports, WWE officials came down pretty hard on Sin Cara & Primo afterward backstage. This was Sin Cara's debut television match in the WWE and I'm sure they had very high expectations. There have been reports of Sin Cara botching his fancy trampoline entrance at two of three television tapings. On the main page, there's a story sent in describing the Sin Cara vs. Primo match at a house show in Glasgow, Scotland. It's reported that the match contained numerous botched spots but the bigger problem was yet to come. Sheamus came down after the match to attack Sin Cara with the latter trying to perform his finisher in which he goes for his head scissors into the armbar finisher he uses but botched that twice. It's reported that he also tried to do a move to Sheamus in the corner that he botched as well.

The WWE has high hopes for Sin Cara and have put a lot of hype into him. Given that he just started on WWE television, I'd say that the company brass isn't all that impressed with what they've seen out of him thus far. Blown spots do happen to everyone, of course, and Sin Cara's Lucha Libre style includes a lot of flasthy spots. However, Sin Cara can't afford such screw ups at this particular time. He's the new kid on the block and has a lot to prove.

Could Sin Cara already be in trouble? Could it be that he's just nervous and will quickly get into the hang of things? Is this something that the WWE is going to have to expect from him in the future?

 

[Rayne]

Botched spots you can recover from. Shit happens, and he's working a lucha libre style with guys who made their bones in strong-style promotions.

What's going to kill Sin Cara? It sounds odd at first glance, but bear with me- you can't see his eyes. The style of wrestling production has changed; instead of the focus being on the athletic competition, it is now about the emotional reaction to events occurring within the ring. Look at how often the camera focuses on a wrestler's face- it's ground in to WWE performers that they should expect their face to always, always be on camera.

With Sin Cara, you can't see that. Maybe it's not a permanent thing. You can always do an unmasking/remasking angle. But right now, he's a shirtless Power Ranger.

 

[berlinbrawler]

Yup, I'd definitely say he is in trouble. If things keep going wrong like that he will very soon be on Superstars jobbing to Ted Dibiase.

Vince gets pissy when someone comes in with a lot of hype but doesn't deliver right off the bat. I feel very much reminded of Jericho's last book just now.

 

[Notorious718]

I really hope not. I mean, he's just started so it could very easily just be a case of nerves. I want to think he'll be able to recover from this because a lot of people (myself included) have high expectations of him. Like Rayne said, shit happens. Besides, I don't think the audience really even noticed that it was a botch anyway. He'll get better with time. If a month passes and he's still doing this though, then I'll start worrying.

Too bad about WWE seemingly planning on cutting his entrance though. I thought it was pretty cool, botched or not.

 

[JGotzDaRemedy]

Does anybody remember when Ultimo Dragon came in and within his first few matches he didn't do everything to perfection? I think I can remember him hitting an Asai Moonsault on someone, but he only hit them with his arm or something, and his run was as good as dead.

This is different though. Mistico did very well in the match, you'll have the odd mistake. Taking him after one match and presuming he isn't getting over, when he quite clearly is, due to how much people talk about him would be stupid. WWE are just upset because they like perfection and if they don't get it, it's time to start pointing fingers.

 

[Karaoke Superstar]

This past Monday on Raw, we saw the in-ring televised debut of Sin Cara in a match against Primo. Overall, I thought it was a fun match in which Sin Cara was able to show off some of his unique offense. The one problem in the match was a botched move off the top rope. The mistake was relatively minor and could happen to anyone, plus they pulled off the move successfull the second time around.

However, at least according to reports, WWE officials came down pretty hard on Sin Cara & Primo afterward backstage. This was Sin Cara's debut television match in the WWE and I'm sure they had very high expectations. There have been reports of Sin Cara botching his fancy trampoline entrance at two of three television tapings. On the main page, there's a story sent in describing the Sin Cara vs. Primo match at a house show in Glasgow, Scotland. It's reported that the match contained numerous botched spots but the bigger problem was yet to come. Sheamus came down after the match to attack Sin Cara with the latter trying to perform his finisher in which he goes for his head scissors into the armbar finisher he uses but botched that twice. It's reported that he also tried to do a move to Sheamus in the corner that he botched as well.

The WWE has high hopes for Sin Cara and have put a lot of hype into him. Given that he just started on WWE television, I'd say that the company brass isn't all that impressed with what they've seen out of him thus far. Blown spots do happen to everyone, of course, and Sin Cara's Lucha Libre style includes a lot of flasthy spots. However, Sin Cara can't afford such screw ups at this particular time. He's the new kid on the block and has a lot to prove.

Could Sin Cara already be in trouble? Could it be that he's just nervous and will quickly get into the hang of things? Is this something that the WWE is going to have to expect from him in the future?

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for the first two botches on TV. But after the reports of it happening again at the house show in Scotland I think maybe he should go to FCW for a while and work off any rust, and become more comfortable in a WWE ring. He's damn impressive in the ring, and I think he has the potential to be a future world champ. But he can't be botching that often on live TV. I'm worried that being absent from Raw for a while may very well kill his momentum and hype.

 

[berlinbrawler]

I remember Ultimo Dragon almost tripping when he made his entrance at Wrestlemania 20.

Ultimo had another problem in my opinion, though. He looked too much like Rey Mysterio. In fact he looked like the made in China version (yeah, yeah, I know, he was Japanese, but if I said made in Japan you wouldn't think I meant a cheap knock-off). And the ridge on his mask reminded me of nothing so much as a chicken.

Sin Cara has much better cards than that. He came in with a lot of hype and his name and look are way cooler.

I must agree with Rayne, though. That the mask covers the entire face takes away a lot of the important drama. That's why Spider-Man loses his mask in every movie. Sin Cara better be really good if he wants to overcome that.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

It's a speed bump but not a deal breaker. Sin Cara is in to replace Rey and take over that part of WWe's merchandise (the masks). As such he will be given more leeway than say a Kaval. The only reason that he is being given so much freedom with his moves is to get him over with the kids in the superhero stakes. Once (if) this is achieved and the kiddies love him and merchandise is flying off the shelves then you'll see the high spots reigned back in and he'll become a WWe sports entertainer ala Rey or Evan Bourne (but with a bigger push). What concerns me is that more selfish superstars might pull a 'Holly' and be deliberately unaccommodating to prevent Cara developing a spot but I'd be reasonably confident that McMahon would quickly quash such attempts (in fact, given this is traditional 'future endeavour' season, I'd be concerned for Primo at the moment - he may become an example).

 

[iwinulose]

he might, but maybe not i think sin cara will become big soon.
he might just be nervous and i think he will get the hang of things and just start going with the flow, i expect to see him around for a long time.
they might at first but i think sin cara will show them he can do it, he is just settling in right now.

 

[akrassikauda]

the guy is good real good he just needs to calm down nerves at this level are common. Just don't want Sin Cara to end up like Lo-Ki or Ultimo you know I'm glad the E signed him, he could have some great matches with Rey in the E, next thing you know he asks for and receives his place on the future endeavors list.

 

[Atheist Christian Fan]

Only if Vince is down on him, he's botching alot and that's frowned upon, but the main fault I see is that he can't speak english. That will eventually get him axed. Love the guy, but he doesn't seem like the WWE type. A translating manager doesn't seem logical considering it's usually done for bigger guys, but I could be wrong. Hell, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[sTyLnK]

Meh he'll figure it out. You have to remember Primo botched some things as well at least that's what I'm reading from the reports so it's not just him.

He looks nervous, but I think you can't blame the guy. New company, new people you can bet he's trying, but it's going to take a bit of time. And does he speak English? Because if not I can only imagine that would make things much tougher as well.The IWC is very hard on wrestlers so hopefully they can shut up and be a little more understanding for once. He'll get more comfortable.

 

[RavenChaos21]

I say just take the trampoline away. That trampoline entrance is what could really get the nerves going for unnecessary reasons. I mean if your thinking more about getting over the top rope and not wringing your neck as opposed to dealing with the guy in the ring, it will make the rest of your moves look sloppy because you are already jittery as hell. He should just come through the crowd, fly over the barricade(nothing too crazy) and slide into the ring and point into the crowd to pump them up. It is simple but effective and the rest of the match should go good since he doesn't have to worry about that damn trampoline all the time.

 

[FutureShocked]

did he spend any time in FCW? if not, i can see why hes not prepared 4 the wwe style. if he did, he has no excuse. he better get his act together coz hes pissed me off. and if hes pissed ME off, you just kno the McMahon is gonna be livid. we were sold that this guy was amazing. hes been ok so far, but botches more moves than kofi kingston. also, wtf was with the trampoline entrance? it looked kl til i found out he was actually usin a trampoline. i really dont want 2 turn in2 a sin cara hater but if things continue as they are, myself, and a lot of others will become sin cara haters. c'mon cara, ur meant 2 be the next mysterio!

 

[onecrazykid]

I did notice the 2 botched entrances but he still made them look pretty good - can't say the same for the botch at the end of his debut match.

IMO, what he has working against him is his style. In Mexico, there's lots of lucha libre styles, so he can execute those moves because the opponents know they're coming. If WWE, not so much. The closest they have to a lucha libre wrestler would be Rey, and he doesn't do any of those high spot moves anymore. Now he's more of a mat based guy that pulls out the occasional high risk move.

Do you really think Sheamus would be able to help Sin Cara execute that head scissors into an armbar? Can Sheamus even take a head scissors? Now I'm not saying Sheamus was the reason it got botched - I didn't see it - but if they put Sin Cara against someone like Chavo, Rey, or maybe even Evan....people that can wrestle that high flying, spot fest...Sin Cara could come off looking good.

 

[bretford_scotland]

The botched moves on both Raw and the Glasgow show were not down solely to Sin Cara but on Primo as well, who despite being at the bottom of the pile should be able to string a few moves together and get in the right place at the required time.

I am sure Sin Cara's time will come and the kinks get ironed out, the two phase jump into the ring being a good example.

Perhaps the other kink might be having a mask that gives hime a better view of his surroundings, for as cool as the mask it is, it must block his vision in some part

 

[Mac Attack]

Yup, I'd definitely say he is in trouble. If things keep going wrong like that he will very soon be on Superstars jobbing to Ted Dibiase.

This is absolute and total flocci*nauci*nihili*pili*fication. (Been dying to use the word.) With all the hype that has been given to him there is absolutely no way for him what so ever to be jobbing to Ted. The entrance yes I would scrap to something more simple however I feel that match itself was okay and although it was a botched finish it was Primo's fault (watch it he was the one to fall.) I think Cara honestly should have gone tio FCW for a bit to learn the WWE style however since he didn't he just needs to feud with someone who he can get chemistry with.

Vince gets pissy when someone comes in with a lot of hype but doesn't deliver right off the bat. I feel very much reminded of Jericho's last book just now

Yes he probaly isn't happy at all with Cara right now but he has been pissed at other people in the past and I know two have become WWE champions (Cena, Miz). I don't think it is the end of the world, by far. He just needs to have a good match on Raw and hopefully learn to work with Sheamus (seems they are feuding.) I would strongly feel that Cara can redeem himself, especially once he learns how to speak English.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I remember two weeks ago when he came out and landed on his face. That is all I remembered from it.


While what Sin Cara does can be described as flashy and fancy to those who don't watch that style of wrestling, I don't see it lasting long in the WWE. The WWE has made its money because they have 'forced' their fan base to only care for those who they are 'emotionally' into. After the intial shock of what Sin Cara does wears off, where does he go from there?

And no disrespect to Jack Hammer, but I don't see how that botch is 'minor.' They had to redo the whole sequence.. Plus, Sin Cara landed pretty odd on the floor. Botches DO count in the WWE because that is all the fans have to remember if someone does nothing but a shit ton of moves. Just look how tough some of the divas get criticized just because a few of them botch left and right.

 

[Born To Fly]

I was going to post a thread like this, but more so, "Is Sin Cara WWE ready?"

To answer the question at hand, yes. Outside of the crossbody against Sheamus and the flippy thing he did on Swagger, nothing impressed me that he did in the match with Primo. While they worked all right together, it was one lucha libre against another. If Sheamus could take half of those moves, I'd be impressed at a Sin Cara match.

We'll see what the future holds for him soon.

 

[TheMaskedNewton]

FutureShocked
Really? Really?
He has pissed YOU off? Oh how bad of a performer he is! His match was ok, right?
What do you think you are, a technical master of the ring? If the announcers hadn't acknowledged that the botch over the top rope was a botch, you wouldn't have noticed it. Infact, the first that they said about it was 'Wow! What a counter by Primo!'

His match was nice, more than okay and he had shown his offence quite well.

 

[onecrazykid]

And no disrespect to Jack Hammer, but I don't see how that botch is 'minor.' They had to redo the whole sequence.. Plus, Sin Cara landed pretty odd on the floor.

I don't think you can blame that botch on Sin Cara though. Primo slipped trying to position himself and the momentum of him falling is what threw Sin Cara out the ring.


I can't see his program with Sheamus going too well. He fits more a cruiserweight feud

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

I'm sure several people have said this, but he just needs to slow his pace down a little bit (if that's possible). I'd hate for him to injury anyone or possibly cripple someone for life due to one of his botched moves. The WWE also may want to think about putting him in a program with someone who's a little slower where he can learn how to adapt to the WWE's style. This isn't Lucha style wrestling and it sure isn't 1998 where he had a tremendous amount of light-heavyweight stars to work with. Time will tell, but if asked my personal opinion, I wasn't too impressed and feel he's a bit overhyped.

 

[Jackal960]

I think it's just because of the fact that he just started working with WWE and every move he makes is live worldwide now, so he can be a bit nervous and it is understandable. Of course, i think the main concern is if WWE management thinks that they made a mistake by hyping him up so much. Only time can tell, but obviously it's not a good sign when you botch your moves often.

My other concern is with his finisher. The finisher doesn't look like a finisher to start with. It seems like a great move but you know, it just seems funny when the opponent tries to set himself up for the finisher and jumps like they are jumping to a pool together at olympics. Then there is the fact that it can be difficult for big guys to "perform" that move with Sin Cara. Getting them stand on top of the ropes with another guy next to them is not very easy and high risk for botching.

I like Sin Cara and the way he wrestles, it's just a couple of things that he needs to fix, then he can be one of the greatest inside WWE as well.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I don't think you can blame that botch on Sin Cara though. Primo slipped trying to position himself and the momentum of him falling is what threw Sin Cara out the ring.

Regardless of who's fault, if that was a pre-taped match, that would've totally been edited out.


Also, what I said about what Sin Cara does losing it's 'aww' appeal to the WWE crowd.. Who else is hee going to be able to work with? Zack Ryder, Primo and Tyson Kidd are probably the only guys on Raw that he can do that stuff with. But how is that suppose to make people think he is a big deal?

Sin Cara is going to really have to dummy his movez down. There is a reason Rey doesn't try to most of his moves from the WCW now, besides his shot knees of course. lol

 

[TopOfTheTron]

I don't think Sin Cara would be in any trouble at all. He's new to WWE style wrestling and uses a lot of high-risk moves. He is bound to mess some of them up early on. The problem with his entrance is also understandable as the trampoline adds a higher level of difficulty. All of those problems can be solved easily with time and practice. If the problem goes on for 5 or 6 months I would say his career might in jeopardy but for now he's safe.